From sfpm at vmbrasseur.com Sun Sep 1 12:26:45 2013 From: sfpm at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:26:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Announcements: 2013 schedule changes; Sept. meeting; Streaming!; December social! Message-ID: <522394F5.1080802@vmbrasseur.com> Hey there, all. I thought you'd appreciate some information about what's been going on at SF.pm HQ. We usually meet on the fourth Tuesday of the month, which makes it pretty easy for people to plan. However, in the next few months we'll need to diverge from this usual schedule so we can accommodate the excellent speakers who've volunteered their time and knowledge. As soon as we have dates settled we'll let you know what they are, to help you schedule & plan your time. For starters, we'll probably have a meeting coming up on either the 9th or 10th of September (read: VERY SOON because, CRAP, it's already September). This meeting will mark the triumphant return of Adam Kennedy, who hasn't spoken for a year and a half. We're thrilled and honored he's chosen us for his (re-)inaugural presentation. We'll be posting that event ASAP, just as soon as we can finalize a few pesky details like date and location. Keep your eyes peeled for that announcement, but do mark the date(s) now to be sure you can make it. Nota Bene: If we can get things sorted out in time, we also hope September will be the first time we're able to stream/record the event. More info on that as we have it. In addition, we're thinking of having an SF.pm Social in December. It's been too long since we've been able to bum about & geek out together. Have thoughts on that front? We'll be discussing it at the September meeting (or you can always just send 'em to the list). And that's all the news that's fit to print. Allons y! --V From sfpm at vmbrasseur.com Sun Sep 1 12:35:25 2013 From: sfpm at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:35:25 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Visiting San Francisco in September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <522396FD.6090109@vmbrasseur.com> Welcome to SF, Julien! How long before you leave town? I'm working out the final details of a semi-impromptu event on either September 9th or 10th. Adam Kennedy will be speaking. It'd be great if this coincided with your time here in town! I hope to have the event posted early next week. --V (co-org SF.pm) On 08/31/2013 23:35 , simbabque wrote: > Hi! > > It's a bit later than a few weeks before, but here we are. I'll be in SF > for the next four days, running around and taking pictures. We're > staying in Hayes Valley and do not have a car. If anyone wants to get > together with a German Perl Monger and a motion designer for a beer, > please drop me a message. I can also be reached by phone on 1 707 400 7618. > > > Cheers, > Julien > > > 2013/5/20 Fred Moyer > > > Yes, it's always possible (and encouraged) to get people together > outside of the normal meeting schedule. Email the list a few weeks > before to set something up! > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM, simbabque > wrote: > > Mike, > > > > no problem. Thanks a lot for the information. You are planning > ahead quite > > well. I don't quite know if we can make the 27th. It's one day > after we > > arrive and I believe we will be heavily jetlagged, but the other > one should > > work. > > > > Is there a possibility of getting a few people together for a > social meeting > > outside the schedule if we cannot make the tech talk meetings? I > would hate > > to miss the opportunity of meeting more Perl people. It's > probably best to > > ask this in August, and not three months earlier I guess... > > > > Julien > > > > > > 2013/5/20 Michael Friedman > > >> > >> Julien, > >> > >> I'm sorry, I misread your email. SF Perlmongers has a meeting > scheduled > >> for August 27th and SVPerl has another meeting scheduled for > September 5th. > >> (Both groups meet monthly.) These meetings are usually talks, > with some > >> members going out to a late dinner afterwards. You're welcome to > join us at > >> either one (or both!). > >> > >> -- Mike > >> > >> On May 20, 2013, at 7:54 AM, simbabque > wrote: > >> > >> > Mike, > >> > > >> > thanks a lot for inviting me. It sounds great and I'd love to go. > >> > Unfortunately, we will arrive four weeks later, at the 26th of > August. I > >> > will, however, also contact SV Perl, and look at the meetup > page for both SV > >> > and SF over the next months. Seems like I was a bit early indeed. > >> > > >> > Julien > >> > > >> > > >> > 2013/5/19 Michael Friedman > > >> > SF Perlmongers usually meets at the end of the month, but SV > Perl has a > >> > meeting on August 1 for lightning talks. They meet about an > hour's drive or > >> > train ride south of San Francisco and you'd be welcome to join > us for that > >> > if you are in the area that early. > >> > > >> > Details are on meetup.com if you're > interested. http://meetu.ps/tBgcj > >> > > >> > -- Mike Friedman > >> > _________________ > >> > Michael Friedman > >> > > >> > > >> > On May 18, 2013, at 10:53 AM, simbabque > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hi, > >> > > > >> > > my name's Julien and I'm a Perl guy from Hannover, Germany. > Maybe I've > >> > > met one or two of you at last year's YAPC::EU. > >> > > > >> > > I'm going to visit California at the end of August this year > and will > >> > > stay for four weeks. The first two weeks of that period I > will spend in > >> > > Fairfield and in San Fransisco. During that time, I would > love to attend a > >> > > SF.pm meeting. I know it's a bit early, but I'm in the > middle of planning > >> > > this whole thing, including a road trip. > >> > > > >> > > Please let me know if you are open to visitors from abroad, > and how > >> > > your meetings work. Here in Hannover, we just meet in a > restaurant/pub every > >> > > few weeks to discuss Perl, work or totally unrelated stuff, > sometimes give > >> > > spontaneous presentations and enjoy food. I have not > attended any other PM > >> > > meetings yet, so I have no idea what to expect. ;-) > >> > > > >> > > Thanks a lot, > >> > > Julien > >> > > > >> > > PS: Do you have an IRC channel? > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > >> > > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > >> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > >> > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From sfpm at vmbrasseur.com Tue Sep 3 11:30:03 2013 From: sfpm at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:30:03 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Next Tuesday: Adam Kennedy Presents A Few of His Favorite Things Message-ID: <52262AAB.8080401@vmbrasseur.com> Apologies for the short notice, but when you get the chance to have Adam speak you take it. Complete information here: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/events/138159192/ We're looking forward to seeing you all next week! --V From opensourcestaffing at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 08:33:06 2013 From: opensourcestaffing at gmail.com (OSJ) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:33:06 -0400 Subject: [sf-perl] [JOB] Perl Software Engineer - San Francisco, CA to 175k Message-ID: <068f01cea984$0de37230$29aa5690$@com> Perl Software Engineer - San Francisco, CA to 175k http://osjobs.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/perl-software-engineer-san-francisco- ca-to-175k Also... Security Engineer - San Francisco, CA to 150k http://osjobs.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/security-engineer-san-francisco-ca-to -150k Also... Software Engineers - San Francisco, CA to 160k http://osjobs.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/software-engineers-to-160k-san-franci sco-ca Thank you, Beauregard Gould opensourcestaffing|AT|gmail.com http://osjobs.wordpress.com From simbabque at hannover.pm Wed Sep 4 22:58:40 2013 From: simbabque at hannover.pm (simbabque) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 07:58:40 +0200 Subject: [sf-perl] Visiting San Francisco in September In-Reply-To: <522396FD.6090109@vmbrasseur.com> References: <522396FD.6090109@vmbrasseur.com> Message-ID: Hi V, unfortunately, we had to get going this morning. It's a shame this didn't work out. Would have loved to meet some of you. My phone sorted the list mails and did not tell me about them, so I was a bit slow. I might come back in the area after our road trip, maybe there is someone from the north-east part of the bay (Fairfield, Valejo...) who wants to get together then? Julien 2013/9/1 VM Brasseur > Welcome to SF, Julien! > > How long before you leave town? I'm working out the final details of a > semi-impromptu event on either September 9th or 10th. Adam Kennedy will be > speaking. It'd be great if this coincided with your time here in town! I > hope to have the event posted early next week. > > --V (co-org SF.pm) > > > On 08/31/2013 23:35 , simbabque wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> It's a bit later than a few weeks before, but here we are. I'll be in SF >> for the next four days, running around and taking pictures. We're >> staying in Hayes Valley and do not have a car. If anyone wants to get >> together with a German Perl Monger and a motion designer for a beer, >> please drop me a message. I can also be reached by phone on 1 707 400 >> 7618. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Julien >> >> >> 2013/5/20 Fred Moyer > > >> >> >> Yes, it's always possible (and encouraged) to get people together >> outside of the normal meeting schedule. Email the list a few weeks >> before to set something up! >> >> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM, simbabque > **> wrote: >> > Mike, >> > >> > no problem. Thanks a lot for the information. You are planning >> ahead quite >> > well. I don't quite know if we can make the 27th. It's one day >> after we >> > arrive and I believe we will be heavily jetlagged, but the other >> one should >> > work. >> > >> > Is there a possibility of getting a few people together for a >> social meeting >> > outside the schedule if we cannot make the tech talk meetings? I >> would hate >> > to miss the opportunity of meeting more Perl people. It's >> probably best to >> > ask this in August, and not three months earlier I guess... >> > >> > Julien >> > >> > >> > 2013/5/20 Michael Friedman > > >> >> >> >> >> Julien, >> >> >> >> I'm sorry, I misread your email. SF Perlmongers has a meeting >> scheduled >> >> for August 27th and SVPerl has another meeting scheduled for >> September 5th. >> >> (Both groups meet monthly.) These meetings are usually talks, >> with some >> >> members going out to a late dinner afterwards. You're welcome to >> join us at >> >> either one (or both!). >> >> >> >> -- Mike >> >> >> >> On May 20, 2013, at 7:54 AM, simbabque > **> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Mike, >> >> > >> >> > thanks a lot for inviting me. It sounds great and I'd love to >> go. >> >> > Unfortunately, we will arrive four weeks later, at the 26th of >> August. I >> >> > will, however, also contact SV Perl, and look at the meetup >> page for both SV >> >> > and SF over the next months. Seems like I was a bit early >> indeed. >> >> > >> >> > Julien >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2013/5/19 Michael Friedman > > >> >> >> > SF Perlmongers usually meets at the end of the month, but SV >> Perl has a >> >> > meeting on August 1 for lightning talks. They meet about an >> hour's drive or >> >> > train ride south of San Francisco and you'd be welcome to join >> us for that >> >> > if you are in the area that early. >> >> > >> >> > Details are on meetup.com if you're >> >> interested. http://meetu.ps/tBgcj >> >> > >> >> > -- Mike Friedman >> >> > _________________ >> >> > Michael Friedman >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On May 18, 2013, at 10:53 AM, simbabque > **> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Hi, >> >> > > >> >> > > my name's Julien and I'm a Perl guy from Hannover, Germany. >> Maybe I've >> >> > > met one or two of you at last year's YAPC::EU. >> >> > > >> >> > > I'm going to visit California at the end of August this year >> and will >> >> > > stay for four weeks. The first two weeks of that period I >> will spend in >> >> > > Fairfield and in San Fransisco. During that time, I would >> love to attend a >> >> > > SF.pm meeting. 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URL: From sfpm at vmbrasseur.com Tue Sep 10 09:24:17 2013 From: sfpm at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:24:17 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] The revolution will be televised Message-ID: <522F47B1.1020209@vmbrasseur.com> Greetings, all! I'm pleased to announce that we're going to start live streaming presentations on our shiny new Ustream channel: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/san-francisco-perl-mongers-speakers-presentations We'll be starting tonight with Adam's presentation. If you're unable to make it, please tune in. Caveat: since this is the first time, there may be some kinks and things may not go entirely to plan. ;-) Also, we will be recording the presentations and making them available for later viewing on Internet Archive. More information on that as soon as it's ready to roll. Allons y! --V From fobispo at uniregistry.com Mon Sep 23 22:00:24 2013 From: fobispo at uniregistry.com (Francisco Obispo) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:00:24 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [job] DevOps - Southern California Message-ID: <04A7661C-8C90-4A84-BB23-1F30D4D60C8D@uniregistry.com> Dear *, We are looking for a talented, Engineer who can be both a system administrator and also play roles in development/automation projects. The profile is the following: - Modern Perl programming with specific knowledge on the Catalyst web development framework, Template::Toolkit, Moose (OO), DBIx::Class (ORM), unit testing, POD, network programming. - C, Python, Bash and ruby (desirable) - JSON and XML, XML Schemas, XSLT (highly desirable) - Transport Layer Security, and Public Key Infrastructure (desirable) - Memcached, RabbitMQ (queue manager) optional. Database Technologies: - PostgreSQL 9.1+, triggers, stored procedures, PL/PgSQL - Replication, PgPool (desired) - NoSQL databases (optional) General Knowledge: - Networking, VLANs, Firewalls, IPv4 and IPv6. (desired) - Domain Name System (DNS), and DNSSEC - Debian Linux (required) - High Performance/Availability Systems - Load Balancing - SNMP, systems monitoring and alerting - Capacity Planning. The individual must be able to relocate to Southern California (Newport Beach area), Please contact me off list of you're interested, and send me a copy of your CV. Best regards, -- Francisco Obispo CTO - Registry Operations fobispo at uniregistry.com PGP Key ID: 0xB38DB1BE From russt at releasetools.org Tue Sep 24 11:29:45 2013 From: russt at releasetools.org (Russ Tremain) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:29:45 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] slides from Adam's talk? Message-ID: Adam mentioned he was going to publish a link his slides, is this still in the works? He mentioned several interesting distributions... thx, -Russ From sfpm at vmbrasseur.com Tue Sep 24 11:57:10 2013 From: sfpm at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:57:10 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] slides from Adam's talk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5241E086.1000801@vmbrasseur.com> On 09/24/2013 11:29 , Russ Tremain wrote: > Adam mentioned he was going to publish a link his slides, is this still > in the works? Yup! I have a copy of the slides and will be posting them on our Shiny New Internet Archive collection. Hopefully I'll be doing that today. Once it's done I'll send an email announcing where to find everything. --V From sfpm at vmbrasseur.com Sat Sep 28 09:37:53 2013 From: sfpm at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:37:53 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Adam's video and slides are finally available Message-ID: <524705E1.1020304@vmbrasseur.com> Immense apologies for how long it took me to get these online. There were some technical difficulties with uploads to Internet Archive. However, those are resolved and I am now happy to announce our new Internet Archive collection! https://archive.org/details/sfperlmongers As we generate video/audio recordings and slide decks, we'll be adding them to this collection. It's a one-stop-shop for all your SF.pm media needs. Adam's video is listed at the URL above, but in case you'd like to jump to it directly... https://archive.org/details/adamkennedyafewofmyfavouritethings Immense thanks are due to Jason, Jake, and Raj at IA for helping us to get this set up. And further thanks are due to the Archive itself for hosting our data--freely, for free, forever. Thanks for your patience, everyone! --V @vmbrasseur http://vmbrasseur.com From cpan at goess.org Mon Sep 30 15:55:15 2013 From: cpan at goess.org (Kevin Goess) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:55:15 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) In-Reply-To: <089e012949207ad3ce04e7a1abd7@google.com> References: <089e012949207ad3ce04e7a1abd7@google.com> Message-ID: Back in 2005 Damien wrote his now-famous Perl Best Practices, and recommended separate get_ and set_ methods for accessors. I just now noticed a post by Dave Rolsky (himself no lightweight) http://blog.urth.org/2011/03/23/reviewing-perl-best-practices-chapter-15-objects/where he opines: --- Damian wants you to write get_name() and set_name(). I don?t think this ever took off. My personal preference is name() and set_name(), though that?s just as unpopular. I think the real recommendation should be to use read-only attributes as much as possible. Mutability adds complexity to your code. Avoid it whenever possible. In that context, I?d avoid the get_name() style. Very little Perl code I?ve seen uses that naming scheme. The naming of writers matters less if they?re rare, but readers will be common, and you should just use the style that everyone else uses. --- I've also rarely seen that naming scheme (and don't use it myself), but haven't done an exhaustive survey. Does anyone else have a sense on how widespread the take-up of that particular Best Practice has been? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doomvox at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 18:20:18 2013 From: doomvox at gmail.com (Joseph Brenner) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:20:18 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) In-Reply-To: References: <089e012949207ad3ce04e7a1abd7@google.com> Message-ID: I've always agreed with Rolsky: the getter form is far more common, so you should optimize for that. And I've always agreed with Conway that separate setters and getters were a better idea than "mutators", where you use an undef argument to indicate when you want to just do a get. As far as I can tell, pretty much no one agrees with this, they much prefer the "convenience" of the short form that does both functions... and they tend to add additional methods in order to clear a field and set it to undef (yup, that's convenient all right). But then, where I work at present, most of the code just accesses the href directly, which I gather is common at many places (e.g. Yahoo) and I wouldn't swear that this is the wrong thing to do: there are decent arguments against it, but they're not as strong as some people pretend. For example: if you use accessors religiously, you then have the power to write funny accessors that slip in magical behavior when someone tries to do a simple get or set... but I find that when I do that, I tend to confuse myself later: there's some odd code buried in a place where I normally wouldn't look for it. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Kevin Goess wrote: > > Back in 2005 Damien wrote his now-famous Perl Best Practices, and > recommended separate get_ and set_ methods for accessors. > > I just now noticed a post by Dave Rolsky (himself no lightweight) > > http://blog.urth.org/2011/03/23/reviewing-perl-best-practices-chapter-15-objects/where > he opines: > > --- > Damian wants you to write get_name() and set_name(). I don?t think this > ever took off. My personal preference is name() and set_name(), though > that?s just as unpopular. > > I think the real recommendation should be to use read-only attributes as > much as possible. Mutability adds complexity to your code. Avoid it > whenever possible. > > In that context, I?d avoid the get_name() style. Very little Perl code I?ve > seen uses that naming scheme. The naming of writers matters less if they?re > rare, but readers will be common, and you should just use the style that > everyone else uses. > --- > > I've also rarely seen that naming scheme (and don't use it myself), but > haven't done an exhaustive survey. > > Does anyone else have a sense on how widespread the take-up of that > particular Best Practice has been? > > > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: