[sf-perl] sf.pm.org

Fred Moyer fred at redhotpenguin.com
Wed May 9 10:06:53 PDT 2012

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Paul Makepeace <paulm at paulm.com> wrote:
> What do you think of this as possibilities :
> O. Pull content out and check in to github. copy n paste a deploy script.
> Now anyone can submit changes

I like that, decentralization is always good. Now we just need a
'hello world' new website with links to the meetup page, the Mailman
interface, and the 'legacy' sf.pm.org. Anyone?

> O. Talk to one of the perl SaaS folks and try to get space. Worst case an
> EC2 micro instance is super cheap and I'm sure we'd pick up sponsorship in
> exchange for a homepage link

Sounds good - can you point us to their contact info?

> O. Dunno if sf.pm.org is non static but maybe a weekend day hackathon with
> beer and pizzas to modern perlify it

I like this idea. Maybe this is a good topic for the July meeting.

> O. Have pm.org delegate sf.pm.org to someone here that runs decent DNS. I'll
> see it Badger can offer that

We may be able to avoid this need by assigning a non pm.org DNS
hostname to the current sf.pm.org site.

> I think most of those are independent : )

Independent is good!

> Paul
> Written on my phone
> On May 9, 2012 8:18 AM, "Fred Moyer" <fred at redhotpenguin.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Jonathan Swartz <swartz at pobox.com> wrote:
>> > http://sf.pm.org/ seems sort of abandoned - e.g. incorrect 8pm schedule,
>> > a pointer to another seemingly abandoned upcoming.org page, and the owner's
>> > pining for Perl on his Palm III. :)
>> >
>> > Should it just redirect to the meetup page at this point?
>> Are you volunteering to take on the webmaster duties? :) This is
>> actually a situation which is more involved than it looks on the
>> surface. Gather round here folks and I'll detail the long version.
>> The current sf.pm.org website is hosted on a custom built CMS
>> (Greymatter) that is probably a decade old. I think half the people on
>> this list have built their own CMS at some point or another. We had a
>> partial design for a new website a few years ago, but that never
>> really took hold. I've been using the App::PM::Announce tool to post
>> the meeting announcements to sf.pm.org as well as Meetup, LinkedIn,
>> and use.perl.org. So the meetings page was consistently up to date for
>> probably the last 3 years.
>> Until last year, when LinkedIn decided to add a captcha to their
>> application, so we couldn't cross post announcements there. Then
>> use.perl.org went belly up, and Meetup decided to obfuscate their
>> login process with form tokens (thanks a lot meetup). I spent some
>> time updating the announcement tool and put in a github pull request,
>> but the original version is still on CPAN.
>> So at that point I started posting the meeting announcements only on
>> Meetup by hand, this was July of 2011. I usually tweet the
>> announcement also at http://twitter.com/sfperlmongers. Back to your
>> question though, why don't we redirect sf.pm.org to Meetup?
>> Two reasons. I made a promise to keep the original sf.pm.org site on
>> the web, which means creating another DNS entry for legacy.sf.pm.org
>> or something similar. DNS for pm.org is handled by perl mongers
>> volunteers, who often have scare time available and want things done
>> in a certain way to make life easy for them; custom requests aren't
>> always handled quickly and efficiently. If this sounds like an IT
>> department at a large company, you're starting to get the picture.
>> The second reason is that Meetup is a paid service costing about
>> $100/year (covered by one of our sponsors Red Hot Penguin), and I was
>> somewhat hesitant to shift the sf.pm.org presence to them. They like
>> to change things without telling me, and I never really got the time
>> to investigate if they can properly handle CNAMEs.
>> Add into all this that Joe and I spend the bulk of our SF.pm tuits
>> organizing meetings, and now you can start to see why we haven't put a
>> lot of work into sf.pm.org. We've been lucky to have sponsorship from
>> O'Reilly, Mother Jones, Red Hot Penguin, and Six Apart (Say Media) for
>> a long time, but it still takes manpower to make this operation work.
>> We also got some great t-shirts from Blekko and dotCloud (thanks
>> guys!), but there haven't really been any other Perl supporters that
>> have stepped up.
>> I'll see what I can do about polishing up sf.pm.org. Maybe this email
>> will inspire someone to put together a nice shiny new website for us
>> :)
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