From rdm at cfcl.com Fri Oct 1 10:29:31 2010 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 10:29:31 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] intro article on Bundler Message-ID: There has been some discussion about ways to improve CPAN's dependency management. I have mentioned that Bundler seems to be the way of the future for this in Ruby and Rails, but I never provided any references. Here is an intro article: http://yehudakatz.com/2010/09/30/bundler-as-simple-as-what-you-did-before/ -r -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, system design From rdm at cfcl.com Tue Oct 5 12:34:39 2010 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:34:39 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Silicon Valley Code Camp (and Perl) Message-ID: I just spent some time going through the schedule for the Silicon Valley Code Camp http://siliconvalley-codecamp.com/Sessions.aspx I found a number of sessions that look interesting, so I expect to be there most of both days. I also noticed, however, that Perl was entirely missing from sight. It's too late for this year, but maybe we should try to find a speaker or two for next year (eg, "Perl - it's not dead yet" :-). -r -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, system design From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Tue Oct 5 15:54:56 2010 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:54:56 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Silicon Valley Code Camp (and Perl) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201010052254.o95MsuC8051430@kzsu.stanford.edu> Rich Morin wrote: > I just spent some time going through the schedule for the > > Silicon Valley Code Camp > http://siliconvalley-codecamp.com/Sessions.aspx > > I found a number of sessions that look interesting, so I > expect to be there most of both days. > > I also noticed, however, that Perl was entirely missing > from sight. Yes, there's a school of thought that if you want to help promote perl you should be doing perl talks for a general programming audience, rather than just talking to other perl programmers the way we usually do. For example, in the talk that's coming up this month, Quinn will be telling us about some cool stuff he's done with perl and postgresql, which he'll also be presenting to the postgresql gang that's in town early next month: https://www.postgresqlconference.org/ > It's too late for this year, but maybe we should try to find a > speaker or two for next year (eg, "Perl - it's not dead yet" :-). Tim Bunce does a good job on that one: http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/03/08/perl-myths/ From fred at redhotpenguin.com Tue Oct 5 16:58:11 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:58:11 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Silicon Valley Code Camp (and Perl) In-Reply-To: <201010052254.o95MsuC8051430@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <201010052254.o95MsuC8051430@kzsu.stanford.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Joe Brenner wrote: > > Rich Morin wrote: > For example, in the talk that's coming up this month, Quinn will be > telling us about some cool stuff he's done with perl and postgresql, Not to stray off topic too much, but the announcement for this meeting will be coming out in the next few days, I'm still working out the exact venue. BUT... we will have another hack session next week at Quetzal Internet cafe (this meeting does not replace the normal meeting for October). http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/14948010/ We got about 5 people there last time, and actually managed to get some code out to Github. So if you want to meet up and hack on Perl code with other Perl Mongers, RSVP! From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Oct 7 11:41:29 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:41:29 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Heretical Perl: Writing Catalyst Apps with no ORM Message-ID: SF.pm X-President Quinn Weaver will be speaking at Mother Jones on October 26th for our October SF.pm meeting. Catalyst is the leading web MVC framework for Perl. Normally, Catalyst apps use an ORM to communicate with the database. While ORMs can be convenient, they can also hurt performance, tie your app to one database schema, and make complex queries difficult. But this is Perl, and TMTOWTDI applies: There's More Than One Way To Do It. In this talk, Quinn take you through the code of a working Catalyst app that uses stored procedures rather than ORM queries as its interface to PostgreSQL. Along the way, Quinn will touch on a number of useful modules and pragmas such as DBIx::Connector, aliased, Template::Declare, and Test::XPath. Credits: this talk is based on an app Quinn wrote with David Wheeler as a side project at PostgreSQL Experts ( http://pgexperts.com/... ). Thanks to David for coming up with the methodology, and writing the (IMO) greater share of of the code, including DBIx::Connector and Test::XPath. RSVP at Meetup - http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/15036370/ Announcement posted via App::PM::Announce From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Oct 7 11:47:47 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:47:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Hack session next week at Quetzal Message-ID: Just a quick reminder, we have a hack session next Tuesday at Quetzal Internet Cafe again. Bring your laptop, and hack on CPAN modules. If you have never put a module up on CPAN, this is a great opportunity to learn how. http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/14948010/ From fred at redhotpenguin.com Fri Oct 8 09:13:28 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:13:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Lacuna Expanse - online game written in Perl Message-ID: Pretty interesting - a massively multiplayer online game with the server side written in Perl. Uses Moose IIRC. http://www.lacunaexpanse.com/ http://blogs.perl.org/mt/mt-search.fcgi?limit=20&search=lacuna From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Oct 11 13:25:40 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:25:40 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: Reminder: "Hackathon" is tomorrow, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:00 PM! In-Reply-To: <1041321011.1286828255821.JavaMail.root@jobs.meetup.com> References: <1041321011.1286828255821.JavaMail.root@jobs.meetup.com> Message-ID: Not much interest in another hack session it looks like. Is there anything specific that would raise the interest level? Is the spot too far out of the way? Bad time of day? Too burned out from the day job to hack on open source? We still have our regularly scheduled meeting for this month, the hack session does not replace it. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Meetup Reminder Date: Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM Subject: Reminder: "Hackathon" is tomorrow, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:00 PM! To: fred at redhotpenguin.com Meetup Reminder San Francisco Perl Mongers Your group has a Meetup tomorrow! You RSVPed Yes. What Hackathon When Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:00 PM Who 1 Yes Where Quetzal Internet Cafe 1234 Polk Street (between Fern St. and Bush St.) San Francisco CA 94109 (415) 673-4181 Update your RSVP Here's what people are saying about this Meetup Group "if you care about perl and/or large-scale web applications, join up!" ? Frosty "It's Perl, it's fun, and it's social" ? Dan D Learn more about this Meetup Meetup Description We'll have another hack session at Quetzal Internet Cafe in the middle of October. The location is close to Civic Center BART, and the 38, 47, and 49 bus lines. Come bring you laptop and hack on your favorite CPAN module, and chat with fellow SF.pm Perl Mongers. This hack session does not replace the 4th Tuesday of the month normal SF.pm meeting. Announcement posted via App::PM::Announce This Meetup Group is sponsored by Mother Jones ? Red Hot Penguin Consulting ? O'Reilly Media ? LookSmart ? Julian Cash Photography ? Six Apart Follow San Francisco Perl Mongers on: @sfperlmongers LinkedIn Add info at meetup.com to your address book to receive all Meetup emails To manage your email settings for this group, click here Meetup, PO Box 4668 #37895 New York, New York 10163-4668 Meetup HQ in NYC is hiring! http://www.meetup.com/jobs/ From matt at lanier.org Wed Oct 13 19:43:02 2010 From: matt at lanier.org (Matthew Lanier) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-perl] [off topic][screen] limit new window creation within screen? Message-ID: fellow unix geeks- i'm using screen in multiuser mode to let someone ride shotgun on a production maintenance. i've got the multiuser stuff working, but I can't seen to lock down permissions sufficiently to let an untrusted user ride along: > screen -S opsRideAlong # within screen, i've done > '^a:multiuser on' > '^a:acladd guest' > '^aB:aclchg -wx "#"' This allows user guest to join the screen session and watch without write permissions to the windows open at the time the 'aclchg' command was executed. Unfortunately, guest can still create ('^a-c') more windows and write into them, with an open writable shell in my name. I've searched far and wide, and can't seem to find a way to disable creation of new windows in screen or other limit a screen user's ability to create new windows. Any hints, o unix masters? m@ -- Matthew D. P. K. Lanier From mgrimes at cpan.org Thu Oct 14 05:32:25 2010 From: mgrimes at cpan.org (Mark Grimes) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:32:25 -0400 Subject: [sf-perl] [off topic][screen] limit new window creation within screen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Matthew Lanier wrote: > .... > ?'^aB:aclchg -wx "#"' I think the problem might be in the aclchg command. You need to specify the user (or possibly group) and you need to include commands (?) in the list of impacted items. Something like: aclchg guest -rwx "#?" -Mark From matt at lanier.org Thu Oct 14 10:04:54 2010 From: matt at lanier.org (Matthew Lanier) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sf-perl] [off topic][screen] limit new window creation within screen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks for pointing that out, that was a mistype in my message, not my screen. i indeed did 'aclchg guest -wx "#". good spot, though. m! On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Mark Grimes wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Matthew Lanier wrote: >> .... >> ?'^aB:aclchg -wx "#"' > > I think the problem might be in the aclchg command. You need to > specify the user (or possibly group) and you need to include commands > (?) in the list of impacted items. Something like: > > aclchg guest -rwx "#?" > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > From fred at redhotpenguin.com Thu Oct 14 19:39:48 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:39:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Heretical Perl in two weeks Message-ID: This will be one of the last big talks for us for 2010. Come hear Quinn show us how to develop without needing to be tied to an ORM: http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/15036370/ From mgrimes at cpan.org Fri Oct 15 10:47:33 2010 From: mgrimes at cpan.org (Mark Grimes) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:47:33 -0400 Subject: [sf-perl] [off topic][screen] limit new window creation within screen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Matthew Lanier wrote: > thanks for pointing that out, that was a mistype in my message, not my > screen. ?i indeed did 'aclchg guest -wx "#". ?good spot, though. I'm not sure if it was clear, but the important change is adding the question mark (?) to the list of items to apply the permission to. The hash mark (#) represents the specified user's ability to type, the question mark (?) is the user's ability to issue commands. So if you add the question mark, they shouldn't be able to create a new window: aclchg guest -rwx "#?" FYI, I think the "r" is ignored, you can leave it out if you want. From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Oct 18 19:46:02 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:46:02 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] How fast is Perl's smart match operator? Message-ID: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3951812/how-fast-is-perls-smart-match-operator-for-searching-scalar-in-an-array From fred at redhotpenguin.com Tue Oct 19 11:01:11 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:01:11 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Heretical Perl: Writing Catalyst Apps with no ORM Message-ID: Don't forget to RSVP for next Tuesday's meeting at Mother Jones where Quinn Weaver will show us how to ditch your ORM and become a heretic. http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/15036370/ From quinn at fairpath.com Tue Oct 19 16:55:32 2010 From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:55:32 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Heretical Perl: Writing Catalyst Apps with no ORM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the plug! BTW, this is a preview of a talk I'm giving at PostgreSQL Conference West. There's a lot of interesting talks planned, including a fair number on app programming. Through October 24, you can get 20% off registration (only $150 to start with) by using this URL: https://www.postgresqlconference.org/content/sfpug-pgwest-2010-registration Here's the schedule of talks: https://www.postgresqlconference.org/2010/west/agenda Thanks; I look forward to seeing you Tuesday. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Fred Moyer wrote: > Don't forget to RSVP for next Tuesday's meeting at Mother Jones where > Quinn Weaver will show us how to ditch your ORM and become a heretic. > > http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/15036370/ > _______________________________________________ > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm > -- Quinn Weaver Consulting, LLC Full-stack web design and development http://quinnweaver.com/ 510-520-5217 From fred at redhotpenguin.com Mon Oct 25 09:27:39 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:27:39 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] [meeting] Heretical Perl tomorrow Message-ID: A last reminder, RSVP for Heretical Perl tomorrow at Mother Jones. Come watch Quinn show us how to write Catalyst apps without needing an object relational management system. http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Perl-Mongers/calendar/15036370/ From rdm at cfcl.com Tue Oct 26 01:06:48 2010 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 01:06:48 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Semantic Web intro by Dean Allemang, 10/27 in SF Message-ID: Dean's quite knowledgeable and fun. This would be a good intro for anyone who is thinking about applying these technologies. -r Wed, 10/27; 6:15 PM Learn IT 33 New Montgomery, 3rd Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Introduction to Semantic Web standards RDF, RDFS, OWL & SPARQL w/ Dean Allemang An introduction to Semantic Web standards: RDF, RDFS, OWL, and SPARQL & Rules with Dean Allemang The session is geared towards members that are new to the Semantic Web and that would like to learn the basics from one of the leading educators in the industry. http://www.meetup.com/The-San-Francisco-Semantic-Web-Meetup/calendar/15113619/ -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, system design From rdm at cfcl.com Tue Oct 26 01:17:28 2010 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 01:17:28 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: Technical Support Lead / SysAdmin Position at Twiki Inc Message-ID: TWiki is an Open Source, enterprise-grade wiki, written in Perl. If you're interested in working with it, this might be a great way to get a foot in the door. -r --- Begin Forward --- Delivered-To: rdm at pop.cfcl.com From: Peter Thoeny To: Peter Thoeny Subject: Technical Support Lead / SysAdmin Position at Twiki Inc Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:10:58 -0700 Dear TWiki supporter, We are hiring a support lead local in Silicon Valley, preferably with Linux sysadmin background. Junior person who is eager to learn is welcome as well. Do you know of anybody? Could you forward to parties that might know or be interested in? See info below. Applications can be sent to me or jobs at twiki.net. Thanks for looking around, cheers, Peter --------------------------------------------- Company: Twiki Inc, http://www.twiki.net/ Job Title: Technical Support Lead, Customer Service Provide technical leadership for customer service in support of Twiki installations. Job Description: As a member of the customer service team, you will be responsible for supporting customer installations, account creation, maintaining, and upgrading existing Twiki servers, site structure, content creation and document conversion. Skills: System administration, Apache, Perl, customer care, Twiki installation and upgrade, Twiki markup language (TML) templates and forms. * Experience in supporting Linux, LAMP stack, LDAP, VMware * Detail oriented and proactive about responding to customer needs * Knowledge about TCP/IP networking * Excellent written and verbal communication skills * Provide technical support to customers via e-mail and telephone, occasionally on-site * Work with other support staff to ensure adequate phone / customer coverage during business hours * Setup Certified Twiki test lab (to simulate customer environments / issues) * Test Certified Twiki beta versions and provide feedback to Engineering * Occasional travel to customer sites for on-site support / professional services delivery * Occasional system administration work on twiki.net servers * Occasional creation of Twiki applications, forms, templates Responsibility: Customer Support including installation and configuration of both Twiki OnDemand and OnSite solutions Location: Sunnyvale, CA Twiki, Inc. creates solutions that enable enterprise agility. Twiki is an enterprise agility platform that transforms your intranet, creating a powerful knowledge infrastructure for your organization. Share rich web pages, collaborate using enterprise social networking and easily create pattern based workflows that model business process. Twiki is built on an open core that has a 12 year track record of community driven innovation. Please submit your application to jobs at twiki.net -- * Peter Thoeny, CTO - peter[at]twiki.net * http://twiki.net - Twiki, Inc. - Enterprise Agility * http://twiki.org - is your team already TWiki enabled? * Knowledge cannot be managed, it can be discovered and shared * This e-mail is: (_) private (x) ask first (_) public --- End Forward --- -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, system design From fred at redhotpenguin.com Wed Oct 27 17:35:46 2010 From: fred at redhotpenguin.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:35:46 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Possible Hackathon venue Message-ID: http://www.themarsh.org/cafe.html 4 blocks from the 24th street BART station in the Mission. From james at ActionMessage.com Thu Oct 28 00:59:15 2010 From: james at ActionMessage.com (James Briggs) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:59:15 -0800 Subject: [sf-perl] Possible Hackathon venue - also Kinko's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101028075611.M58311@actionmessage.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:35:46 -0700, Fred Moyer wrote > http://www.themarsh.org/cafe.html > > 4 blocks from the 24th street BART station in the Mission. Kinko's/Fedex Office locations again have free WiFi, so 4 or 5 people can always be hosted there. (Just have somebody do a print-out or send a fax to indicate that you're a paying customer.) James. From josh at agliodbs.com Thu Oct 28 17:17:20 2010 From: josh at agliodbs.com (Josh Berkus) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:17:20 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Possible Hackathon venue - also Kinko's In-Reply-To: <20101028075611.M58311@actionmessage.com> References: <20101028075611.M58311@actionmessage.com> Message-ID: <4CCA1290.5040302@agliodbs.com> On 10/28/10 12:59 AM, James Briggs wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:35:46 -0700, Fred Moyer wrote >> http://www.themarsh.org/cafe.html >> >> 4 blocks from the 24th street BART station in the Mission. > > Kinko's/Fedex Office locations again have free WiFi, so 4 or 5 people > can always be hosted there. What about using Noisebridge? www.noisebridge.net Convenient to BART, into hacking, free. -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Fri Oct 29 16:47:47 2010 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joe Brenner) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:47:47 -0700 Subject: [sf-perl] Possible Hackathon venue - also Kinko's In-Reply-To: <4CCA1290.5040302@agliodbs.com> References: <20101028075611.M58311@actionmessage.com> <4CCA1290.5040302@agliodbs.com> Message-ID: <201010292347.o9TNllhp063291@kzsu.stanford.edu> Josh Berkus wrote: > James Briggs wrote: > > Fred Moyer wrote > >> http://www.themarsh.org/cafe.html > >> > >> 4 blocks from the 24th street BART station in the Mission. Could be that's a good pick. It never seems to get as crowded as a lot of the Valencia Street places. There's some others we could try, like Muddys at 24th Street. They're used to geek events (i.e. the Friday night "game nights", which are always slammed). > > Kinko's/Fedex Office locations again have free WiFi, so 4 or 5 people > > can always be hosted there. > > What about using Noisebridge? > > www.noisebridge.net > > Convenient to BART, into hacking, free. Yes, I've mentioned them a few times now. I just haven't gotten around to dropping by there some time to float the idea (they do general meetings on Tuesday nights).