[sf-perl] group logo

Fred Moyer fred at redhotpenguin.com
Thu May 21 10:53:00 PDT 2009

Here's a good example of another PM group using the onion on their
website in a manner that isn't consistent with the Perl Foundation


And Seattle.pm uses the camel:


I don't think there is much to worry about.  If someone objects, we'll
make the necessary changes.

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Fred Moyer <fred at redhotpenguin.com> wrote:
> 2009/5/21 Jeff Bragg <jackofnotrades at gmail.com>:
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Quinn Weaver <quinn at fairpath.com> wrote:
>>> In any case, O'Reilly "maintain[s] the trademark on the use of camel
>>> in association with Perl."  They tolerate its use by Perl Mongers
>>> groups, but anything that borders on the commercial could be dicey.
>>> This is a good reason to avoid camels.
>> Fair enough.
> I don't think there is really a need for concern here, unless we do a
> run of several hundred T-shirts and start selling them online.
> O'Reilly has been generous to our group with donations of new
> releases, and I can't imagine that they would be upset if do a run of
> a few dozen T-shirts (if that) with a camel on it for our group
> members.
> For O'Reilly (or the Perl Foundation) to get upset because we make a
> few T-shirts for our group members really goes against the open source
> roots of both organizations, and wreaks of news events such as DMCA
> takedown notices for events where "Happy Birthday" is sung without a
> license (that song is copyrighted btw -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Birthday_to_You)
> Now if we setup an online shop and start pushing that to other groups
> (or did a run for YAPC or another event), I could see it becoming a
> valid concern, but we can deal with compliance if that time comes.  I
> don't think it should hinder our creativity in making a few T-shirts
> for group members.  So Joe and Jeff (and anyone else), keep the great
> ideas coming!

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