From rdm at cfcl.com  Sat Jul  2 09:14:35 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:14:35 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fwd: Re: a recent incident
Message-ID: <p06210210beec6d7acda9@[192.168.254.205]>

  --- Begin Forward ---

  From: "Tim O'Reilly" <tim at oreilly.com>
  Subject: Re: a recent incident
  Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:49:48 -0700
  To: Rich Morin <rdm at cfcl.com>

  That is too bad.  Odd, though, as there were a lot of people in
  t-shirts at the conference!  We'll look into it.

  FWIW, we'd originally envisioned this as more of a business
  conference, and took a techie turn as the techie interest in
  this area heated up with google maps.

  My apologies to the group.

  On Jul 2, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Rich Morin wrote:

  > I realize that the choice of conference venues is rather limited,
  > but some venues are simply dysfunctional.  Specifically...
  >
  > After a recent meeting of SFPUG (sf.pm.org), several Perlies walked
  > over to the Westin St. Francis, hoping to meet and chat with some
  > conference attendees, etc.  The "greeter" at the bar area informed
  > them that they were not suitably attired and directed them elsewhere.
  > (One member of the group -- a founder of the group -- was wearing a
  > T-shirt and a leather jacket).
  >
  > The group then wandered back to a very nice bar which had no problems
  > in accepting their attire or trade...  May I suggest that you look
  > for venues that are a bit more friendly to techies?
  >
  > -r

  --- End Forward ---
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From extasia at extasia.org  Mon Jul  4 17:30:23 2005
From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:30:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] [sig-beer-west] Saturday 7/09 at 18:00 in San Francisco
Message-ID: <20050705003023.GA4371@gerasimov.net>

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sig-beer-west[1]

Saturday, July 09, 2005 at 18:00[2]
San Francisco Bay area

Beer.   Mental stimulation.

Please note that SBW events are moving to the second Saturday of each
month beginning July 2005.

     [1] http://extasia.org/sig-beer-west/
     [2] http://www.spacearchive.info/military.htm

This event:
  * Saturday, 7/09/2005, 18:00, at The Crow Bar[3], San Francisco (North
    Beach)

     [3] http://tinyurl.com/8dzne

Coming events (second Saturdays): 
  * Saturday, 08/13/2005, 18:00, Jupiter, Berkeley
  * Saturday, 09/10/2005, 18:00, location to be determined 
  * Saturday, 10/08/2004, 18:00, location to be determined

The San Francisco Bay area's next social event for techies and their
friends, sig-beer-west, will take place at 18:00 on Saturday, July 09,
2005 at The Crow Bar, 401 Broadway, San Francisco.  Phone:
415-788-2769. Map:  http://tinyurl.com/73vlm

The Crow Bar on the web:

Citysearch - Giancarlo Davis[4]

North Beach's token black sheep plays host to rock-and-rollers,
bikers and other roustabouts looking to avoid trendy cocktail
lounges. Editorial Rating: Recommended

The Scene: Crow Bar is dark, a bit dingy and hardly self-conscious.
Barflies here would rather sit around listening to the Descendants,
Kiss or the Clash than succumb to boogie fever at one of the various
neighboring dance clubs. If the bar's too full (usually on weekends),
challenge any of the rugged denizens to a game of pool in the back.

The Draw: Those who swill beer, bourbon or any beverage beginning with
the word "Glen" will find the extensive drink menu delightful. The
friendly bartenders are willing to share their extensive knowledge of
various Scotch and Irish potables, and are even happier to get you
drunk on the stuff. The jukebox is first rate.

Know Before You Go: This cash-only bar has an in-house ATM machine.

::un.official.guide::[5]

Crow Bar is most accurately described as a biker bar that attempts to
fend off the North Beach yuppies. Still, you will like the pool tables
and abundance of seats.

SF Gate - Josh Wilson [6]

Located at the perplexing intersection between North Beach's legacy of
jazz and poetry and its present reality of fine dining and strip
clubs, the Crow Bar is a real oasis, combining a casual demeanor with
just the right amount of grunge and exotica. Just what you'd expect
from a good neighborhood bar that's right around the corner from both
Vesuvio's and the Lusty Lady. Numerous tables make it a fine spot for
huddling with pals, with two pool tables and a very rockin' jukebox to
round things out.

San Francisco Bay Guardian - Marke B.[7]

Friendly and down-to-earth, the Crow Bar offers young, no-frills
locals a safe haven from the stuffy North Beach fine-dining scene as
well as the flashing lights of the bar's Broadway strip-club
neighbors. The lighting is dim, the prices are reasonable, and it's
worth visiting solely for the amazing selection of punk rock on the
jukebox. There are plenty of tables to hang out at and plenty of
people congregating around the pool tables. Meanwhile, the lone air
hockey table overlooks the whole bar from an elevated platform, its
blue surface glimmering beneath the giant crow outlined on the wall.
The crow is the new symbol for the air hockey revolution.

Everyone is welcome at this event. We mean it! Please feel free to
forward this information and to invite friends, cow-orkers[8], and
others (of legal drinking age) who might enjoy lifting a glass with
interesting folks from all over the place.

Can't come this month? Mark your calendar for next month.  (Do it now
before you forget!)  sig-beer-west occurs on the second Saturday of
each month.

Want to suggest a venue?  Suggestions for new places to sip and gab
are always welcome.  Have questions, comments, or other ideas
concerning sig-beer-west?  Send all correspondence to the current
sig-beer-west Instigator.  The Instigator's handle is extasia. The
Instigator's email address is <*the handle*> at <*the handle*> dot
<*org*>.  A subject beginning with "sbw: " will increase the chances
that the Instigator's spam filters don't block your message.

     [4] http://sanfrancisco.citysearch.com/profile/917792/san_francisco_ca/crow_bar.html
     [5] http://techdev.stanford.edu:8080/unofficial/town.html
     [6] http://sfgate.com/eguide/music/barguide/neighborhood.shtml
     [7] http://www.sfbg.com/39/10/cover_bars_new_clubs_list.html
     [8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow-orker

sig-beer-west FAQ

1.  Q: Your announcement says "techies and their friends".  How do I
       know if I'm a techie, or a friend of one?
    A: Well, actually, you don't have to be a techie to attend.  You
       just  have  to  be able to find the sig-beer-west sign at this
       month's event.  That's it.   Simple, huh?

2.  Q: I'm not really a beer person. In fact I'm interested in
       hanging out, but not in drinking. Would I be welcome?
    A: Absolutely! The point is to hang out with fun, interesting
       folks.  Please do join us.

3.  Q: I've been thinking about attending sig-beer-west for some time
       now. Maybe I should start with this event?
    A: Yes!!
______________________________________________________________________

sig-beer-west was started in February 2002 when a couple Washington,
D.C. based systems administrators who moved to the San Francisco Bay
area wanted to continue a dc-sage tradition[9], SIG-beer, which is
described in sig-beer.NET[10] web space as:

  SIG-beer, n., origin lost to intoxication:

   1. Special Interest Group - Beer!
   2. An Interprocessor Communications (IPC) signal that should be
      implemented in every O/S kernel. Semantics are left to the
      hardware driver for the Robotic Drinks Server. Expected behavior
      is that kill -beer <pid>
   3. A standing monthly gathering of systems administrators,
      past/present/future, and their ilk in Washington, DC. and other
      worldwide locations. These gathering consists of a friendly
      gathering of people who enjoy tasting/drinking interesting beer
      and chatting about computers, life, and how to implement the
      SIG-beer into their systems. It started with a group of
      dc.sage[11] sysadmins some time in 1997.

  [9] http://www.dc-sage.org/
  [10] http://www.sig-beer.net/
  [11] http://www.dc-sage.org/
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From vlb at cfcl.com  Wed Jul  6 13:09:46 2005
From: vlb at cfcl.com (Vicki Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:09:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference
Message-ID: <p06230906bef1eaeb5034@[192.168.254.206]>

I am trying to run tmail.pl
   http://pugetsoundsoftware.com/tmail.html
for The Job. The Company still runs Perl 5.005_03. (Don't get me started).

I get an error running the script:
    Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference at tmail.pl line 149.

No error with newer Perl (5.8.5 on my desktop).

Here's the relevant code.  The error is on line 5 in the example.

     #!/usr/bin/perl

     $szForm = "/www/private/nonexistent.txt";

     DisplayError ("tmail: template form [$szForm] could not be opened")
       if (!open ($file, "<$szForm"));  # This line faults

     sub DisplayError {
         print @_, "\n";
     }


Perl 5.8.5 runs successfully and  prints
   tmail: template form [/www/private/nonexistent.txt] could not be opened

Perl 5.00503 shows
   Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference at foo.pl line 5


How can I work around the problem?

Please don't suggest that I try to convince IT to upgrade Perl. :-(
That's not going to happen.

My other choice is to use a phenomenally ugly hunk of PHP code.
So if you can save me from that... Heeeeeeeeelllllllpppp!

-- 
- Vicki

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 z  |\     _,,,---,,_   Books, Cats, Tech
zz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_  http://cfcl.com/vlb
  |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'  http://cfcl.com/vlb/weblog
 '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)      http://heatercats.com

From gregc at cnet.com  Wed Jul  6 13:22:34 2005
From: gregc at cnet.com (greg lee coleman [1482])
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:22:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-perl] Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference
In-Reply-To: <p06230906bef1eaeb5034@[192.168.254.206]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0507061311400.8659-100000@sandbox>


# this has worked for me in the past:

my %fh = ();
if (-f $file  and ! $fh{$file} ) {
    open($fh{$file}, "<$file") || DisplayError();
   # coolness ensues...
}

# be sure to close' those FH on the way out...

-gleeco
________________________________________________________________



On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Vicki Brown wrote:

> I am trying to run tmail.pl
>    http://pugetsoundsoftware.com/tmail.html
> for The Job. The Company still runs Perl 5.005_03. (Don't get me started).
>
> I get an error running the script:
>     Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference at tmail.pl line 149.
>
> No error with newer Perl (5.8.5 on my desktop).
>
> Here's the relevant code.  The error is on line 5 in the example.
>
>      #!/usr/bin/perl
>
>      $szForm = "/www/private/nonexistent.txt";
>
>      DisplayError ("tmail: template form [$szForm] could not be opened")
>        if (!open ($file, "<$szForm"));  # This line faults
>
>      sub DisplayError {
>          print @_, "\n";
>      }
>
>
> Perl 5.8.5 runs successfully and  prints
>    tmail: template form [/www/private/nonexistent.txt] could not be opened
>
> Perl 5.00503 shows
>    Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference at foo.pl line 5
>
>
> How can I work around the problem?
>
> Please don't suggest that I try to convince IT to upgrade Perl. :-(
> That's not going to happen.
>
> My other choice is to use a phenomenally ugly hunk of PHP code.
> So if you can save me from that... Heeeeeeeeelllllllpppp!
>
> --
> - Vicki
>
>      ZZZ
>   zzZ                   San Francisco Bay Area, CA
>  z  |\     _,,,---,,_   Books, Cats, Tech
> zz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_  http://cfcl.com/vlb
>   |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'  http://cfcl.com/vlb/weblog
>  '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)      http://heatercats.com
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From david at fetter.org  Wed Jul  6 13:56:09 2005
From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:56:09 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0507061311400.8659-100000@sandbox>
References: <p06230906bef1eaeb5034@[192.168.254.206]>
	<Pine.GSO.4.44.0507061311400.8659-100000@sandbox>
Message-ID: <20050706205609.GA28792@fetter.org>

On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 01:22:34PM -0700, greg lee coleman [1482] wrote:
> 
> # this has worked for me in the past:
> 
> my %fh = ();
> if (-f $file  and ! $fh{$file} ) {
>     open($fh{$file}, "<$file") || DisplayError();
>    # coolness ensues...
> }

Does Perl 5.005.paleolithic have 3-argument open()?

Cheers,
D
-- 
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From moseley at hank.org  Wed Jul  6 15:01:46 2005
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:01:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference
In-Reply-To: <p06230906bef1eaeb5034@[192.168.254.206]>
References: <p06230906bef1eaeb5034@[192.168.254.206]>
Message-ID: <20050706220146.GA17437@hank.org>

On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 01:09:46PM -0700, Vicki Brown wrote:
> No error with newer Perl (5.8.5 on my desktop).

Because in 5.8

    If FILEHANDLE is an undefined scalar variable (or array or hash element) the vari-
    able is assigned a reference to a new anonymous filehandle

I doubt that's true in 5.005.


> 
> Here's the relevant code.  The error is on line 5 in the example.
> 
>      #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
>      $szForm = "/www/private/nonexistent.txt";
> 
>      DisplayError ("tmail: template form [$szForm] could not be opened")
>        if (!open ($file, "<$szForm"));  # This line faults

That script starts out like:

    #!/usr/bin/perl
    print "Content-Type: text/html\n\n";

not a good sign.  use strict might be fun.

Why not rewrite as:

    die "tmail: template form [$szForm] could not be opened: $!"
        unless open FORM, "<$szForm";


Really, I'd dump that script.

-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org


From vlb at cfcl.com  Wed Jul  6 21:01:57 2005
From: vlb at cfcl.com (Vicki Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:01:57 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference
In-Reply-To: <20050706220146.GA17437@hank.org>
References: <p06230906bef1eaeb5034@[192.168.254.206]>
	<20050706220146.GA17437@hank.org>
Message-ID: <p0623090fbef258a90931@[192.168.254.206]>

At 15:01 -0700 07/06/2005, Bill Moseley wrote:
>Really, I'd dump that script.

Really I'd rather not ;-)

At 15:01 -0700 07/06/2005, Bill Moseley wrote:
>That script starts out like:
>
>    #!/usr/bin/perl
>    print "Content-Type: text/html\n\n";
>
>not a good sign.

You have something against Really Simple SeeGeeEye?

The script works quite well for what I need. I would actually recommend it.
(I did recommend it; that's how it got installed at work so I wouldn't have
to rassle with PHP).  What doesn't work so well, as David points out, is Perl
5.005.paleolithic.*

Happily, the script didn't use the scalar value in any special way, just
open, read, close, so I substituted a plain old vanilla FH and everything is
working.

* not as bad as a former company that was still using 4.18 when I got there
in late 1997. Shudder.
-- 
- Vicki

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zz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_  http://cfcl.com/vlb
  |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'  http://cfcl.com/vlb/weblog
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From moseley at hank.org  Thu Jul  7 00:22:53 2005
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:22:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Can't use an undefined value as filehandle reference
In-Reply-To: <p0623090fbef258a90931@[192.168.254.206]>
References: <p06230906bef1eaeb5034@[192.168.254.206]>
	<20050706220146.GA17437@hank.org>
	<p0623090fbef258a90931@[192.168.254.206]>
Message-ID: <20050707072253.GA2600@hank.org>

On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 09:01:57PM -0700, Vicki Brown wrote:
> At 15:01 -0700 07/06/2005, Bill Moseley wrote:
> >Really, I'd dump that script.
> 
> Really I'd rather not ;-)
> 
> At 15:01 -0700 07/06/2005, Bill Moseley wrote:
> >That script starts out like:
> >
> >    #!/usr/bin/perl
> >    print "Content-Type: text/html\n\n";
> >
> >not a good sign.
> 
> You have something against Really Simple SeeGeeEye?

Simple is ok.  Poorly written and insecure is something else.

If you find a script without "use strict" then how do you know they
don't have typos or worse in the code?  That script doesn't have
strict or warnings enabled.  It won't run with those, in fact.  Does
anyone with any perl experience not use strict?  Try enabling taint
mode for fun, too.

The first thing the script does is send a content-type header.  So
that means it can't die and generate a 500 error.  Something goes
wrong and the user gets a blank page.

The author doesn't use the standard CGI.pm package for processing the
form.  Bad sign.  The author has created yet another templating
system.  I guess everyone has to do this at some point.  The script
sends mail with sendmail directly instead of using one of the many
mail modules on CPAN.  The script fails to check for errors when
closing the pipe to sendmail.  Also, the envelope sender will be the
web server user -- probably not what you want at all.

The script sends errors to the browser.  Bad form IMO.  Have a nice
500 ErrorDocument if you like, but leave the errors in the error log
for someone that gives a hoot.

The script uses user input in system calls without validation.
Unacceptable.  You can set template to /etc/password and it will
likely get mailed (bounced) to the user that the web server runs as.
Do you really want a web form to be able to cause the script to
attempt to read any file on the machine (and pass it to sendmail) by
just submitting a web form?  Hum, I wonder if one could point it at a
mbox file and have it send the entire mailbox to the lucky recipients
on the first message.  Probably.

The template is relative to where the script is located (at least for
apache that chdir's to where the cgi script is).  Why would templates
be in the web space?  The template form variable should be a index to
a pre-defined set of templates in some far off data directory or
at least validated and constrained in some reasonable way.

Will this be publicly available?  If so you will likely find that
someone runs a bot against it and end up sending thousands of email
messages.  Kind of an open relay.  My mail forms require that the
client first fetches the form which includes a hidden, encrypted
variable.  The form must be submitted with this variable and it's only
valid one time after a few seconds and then only for a few minutes.
Keeps bots from just submitting the form over and over.  It will
happen if publicly available.

People will know you are using tmail.pl, too, and look for exploits.

I'm sure you can find something better.  Didn't London PM write a
bunch of replacements for Matt's Script Archive scripts?  Oh, ya:

    http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/

There's a replacement FormMail and also something called TFMail,
whatever that is.  Or write your own script that does exactly what you
want.


-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org


From the_shift8 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 13 15:39:41 2005
From: the_shift8 at yahoo.com (shift8)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:39:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-perl] win32 headache
Message-ID: <20050713223942.56837.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi all - so, i have the misfortune of programming under win32 w/ activestate
perl 5.8.6 and am trying to create a forking tcp server.  windows craps out
after 64ish threads and gives the "resource temporarily unavailible" and i'm
haveing a tuff time getting around this. any ideas? 

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From the_shift8 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 13 16:48:53 2005
From: the_shift8 at yahoo.com (shift8)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:48:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-perl] win32 headache
In-Reply-To: <20050713223942.56837.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050713234853.42332.qmail@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

never mind.... use Thread seems to be stable enough.  if you know better,
please help a brother out.

-star

--- shift8 <the_shift8 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> hi all - so, i have the misfortune of programming under win32 w/ activestate
> perl 5.8.6 and am trying to create a forking tcp server.  windows craps out
> after 64ish threads and gives the "resource temporarily unavailible" and i'm
> haveing a tuff time getting around this. any ideas? 
> 
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From mcdonald.jeffrey at gene.com  Tue Jul 19 13:56:03 2005
From: mcdonald.jeffrey at gene.com (Jeffrey McDonald)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:56:03 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] "Printer Friendly" versions - PDF?
Message-ID: <200507192056.j6JKu35g013868@meitner.gene.com>

I work at Genentech and support a large number of Perl applications that
provide employees with Stock Purchase and Stock Option information.

I am being asked to develop "Printer Friendly" versions of these pages.

 

The only solution I can think of is to generate PDF's that tightly control
the layout of the document.

 

On CPAN I am able to find many modules - just don't know which ones might be
best.

I was wondering if anyone has recommendations/experience with any of them.

 

One module I saw was able to take an HTML document and turn it into a PDF -
would really like to see how that might work.

I was thinking that I would have to generate the document line by line just
as I do the HTML.

 

Thanks

Jeff

 

 

 

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From herbr at pfinders.com  Tue Jul 19 14:41:32 2005
From: herbr at pfinders.com (Herb Rubin)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:41:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] "Printer Friendly" versions - PDF?
In-Reply-To: <200507192056.j6JKu35g013868@meitner.gene.com>
References: <200507192056.j6JKu35g013868@meitner.gene.com>
Message-ID: <1121809292.7173.624.camel@fred.sf.pfinders.com>

I use enscript and create my own templates. Enscript comes with Linux.

I can draw lines and insert eps (encapsulated postscript) images.
(gif2eps works well).

Herb


On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:56, Jeffrey McDonald wrote:
> I work at Genentech and support a large number of Perl applications
> that provide employees with Stock Purchase and Stock Option
> information.
> 
> I am being asked to develop ?Printer Friendly? versions of these
> pages.
> 
>  
> 
> The only solution I can think of is to generate PDF?s that tightly
> control the layout of the document.
> 
>  
> 
> On CPAN I am able to find many modules ? just don?t know which ones
> might be best.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has recommendations/experience with any of
> them.
> 
>  
> 
> One module I saw was able to take an HTML document and turn it into a
> PDF ? would really like to see how that might work.
> 
> I was thinking that I would have to generate the document line by line
> just as I do the HTML.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jeff
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From joshnjillwait at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 00:37:47 2005
From: joshnjillwait at yahoo.com (Joshua Wait)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:37:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-perl] "Printer Friendly" versions - PDF?
In-Reply-To: <1121809292.7173.624.camel@fred.sf.pfinders.com>
Message-ID: <20050720073747.68881.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com>

Strange you should mention PDF. I just spent the
better part of my day banging my head against creating
PDFs in Perl.

Definitely go for PDF::API2. Some of the other modules
work okay, but don't provide the same feature set. The
documentation is absolutely horrible though.

I highly recommend this tutorial

http://www.printaform.com.au/clients/pdfapi2/

It made it work for me.

--JOSHUA

--- Herb Rubin <herbr at pfinders.com> wrote:

> I use enscript and create my own templates. Enscript
> comes with Linux.
> 
> I can draw lines and insert eps (encapsulated
> postscript) images.
> (gif2eps works well).
> 
> Herb
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:56, Jeffrey McDonald wrote:
> > I work at Genentech and support a large number of
> Perl applications
> > that provide employees with Stock Purchase and
> Stock Option
> > information.
> > 
> > I am being asked to develop ???Printer Friendly???
> versions of these
> > pages.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > The only solution I can think of is to generate
> PDF???s that tightly
> > control the layout of the document.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On CPAN I am able to find many modules ??? just
> don???t know which ones
> > might be best.
> > 
> > I was wondering if anyone has
> recommendations/experience with any of
> > them.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > One module I saw was able to take an HTML document
> and turn it into a
> > PDF ??? would really like to see how that might
> work.
> > 
> > I was thinking that I would have to generate the
> document line by line
> > just as I do the HTML.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> > _______________________________________________
> > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> >
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
> -- 
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> phone: 650-343-4571        fax:   650-343-4675
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From garth at perijove.com  Wed Jul 20 08:19:32 2005
From: garth at perijove.com (Garth Webb)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:19:32 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] "Printer Friendly" versions - PDF?
In-Reply-To: <20050720073747.68881.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050720073747.68881.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1121872772.4421.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

If all you want to do is add variable text and you have the full version
of acrobat (the one that lets you create new documents), there is an
easier way to create PDFs.  Use acrobat to make the form look how you
want it and then in place of where the text should go, (ie, an employees
name) put something like #NAME#.

This is unlikely to appear naturally in the PDF file and allows you to
use the PDF as a template:

  $pdf_tmpl =~ s/#([A-Z]+)#/$my_values{$1}/ge;

I've done this with PDFs and a few other binary formats that store the
text data as plain text and it works great.

Of course this assumes you want to use PDFs...

Garth

On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 00:37 -0700, Joshua Wait wrote:
> Strange you should mention PDF. I just spent the
> better part of my day banging my head against creating
> PDFs in Perl.
> 
> Definitely go for PDF::API2. Some of the other modules
> work okay, but don't provide the same feature set. The
> documentation is absolutely horrible though.
> 
> I highly recommend this tutorial
> 
> http://www.printaform.com.au/clients/pdfapi2/
> 
> It made it work for me.
> 
> --JOSHUA
> 
> --- Herb Rubin <herbr at pfinders.com> wrote:
> 
> > I use enscript and create my own templates. Enscript
> > comes with Linux.
> > 
> > I can draw lines and insert eps (encapsulated
> > postscript) images.
> > (gif2eps works well).
> > 
> > Herb
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:56, Jeffrey McDonald wrote:
> > > I work at Genentech and support a large number of
> > Perl applications
> > > that provide employees with Stock Purchase and
> > Stock Option
> > > information.
> > > 
> > > I am being asked to develop ???Printer Friendly???
> > versions of these
> > > pages.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > The only solution I can think of is to generate
> > PDF???s that tightly
> > > control the layout of the document.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > On CPAN I am able to find many modules ??? just
> > don???t know which ones
> > > might be best.
> > > 
> > > I was wondering if anyone has
> > recommendations/experience with any of
> > > them.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > One module I saw was able to take an HTML document
> > and turn it into a
> > > PDF ??? would really like to see how that might
> > work.
> > > 
> > > I was thinking that I would have to generate the
> > document line by line
> > > just as I do the HTML.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Jeff
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> ______________________________________________________________________
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> > > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> > >
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
> > -- 
> > Herb Rubin                 Pathfinders Software
> > herbr at pfinders.com         http://www.pfinders.com
> > phone: 650-343-4571        fax:   650-343-4675
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> > SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 		
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From qw at sf.pm.org  Wed Jul 20 11:40:56 2005
From: qw at sf.pm.org (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:40:56 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] "Printer Friendly" versions - PDF?
In-Reply-To: <1121872772.4421.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20050720073747.68881.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1121872772.4421.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20050720184056.GA14015@cfcl.com>

On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 08:19:32AM -0700, Garth Webb wrote:
> If all you want to do is add variable text and you have the full version
> of acrobat (the one that lets you create new documents), there is an
> easier way to create PDFs.  Use acrobat to make the form look how you
> want it and then in place of where the text should go, (ie, an employees
> name) put something like #NAME#.
> 
> This is unlikely to appear naturally in the PDF file and allows you to
> use the PDF as a template:
> 
>   $pdf_tmpl =~ s/#([A-Z]+)#/$my_values{$1}/ge;

Good hack. :)

While we're on the topic, does anyone know a good cross-platform way to
actually fire up the printer and print a document?  This seems to be
one of those really platform-specific things...

--
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=for information, visit http://sf.pm.org/weblog =cut

From the_shift8 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 12:10:13 2005
From: the_shift8 at yahoo.com (shift8)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:10:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-perl] "Printer Friendly" versions - PDF?
In-Reply-To: <200507192056.j6JKu35g013868@meitner.gene.com>
Message-ID: <20050720191013.15796.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

you may not need pdf at all:

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/page.html

--- Jeffrey McDonald <mcdonald.jeffrey at gene.com> wrote:

> I work at Genentech and support a large number of Perl applications that
> provide employees with Stock Purchase and Stock Option information.
> 
> I am being asked to develop "Printer Friendly" versions of these pages.
> 
>  
> 
> The only solution I can think of is to generate PDF's that tightly control
> the layout of the document.
> 
>  
> 
> On CPAN I am able to find many modules - just don't know which ones might be
> best.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has recommendations/experience with any of them.
> 
>  
> 
> One module I saw was able to take an HTML document and turn it into a PDF -
> would really like to see how that might work.
> 
> I was thinking that I would have to generate the document line by line just
> as I do the HTML.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jeff
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> SanFrancisco-pm mailing list
> SanFrancisco-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sanfrancisco-pm
> 



		
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From rdm at cfcl.com  Thu Jul 21 14:49:21 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:49:21 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Beer and Egg Roll SIG  (8 pm, July 25)
Message-ID: <p0621020ebf05c44f5ccc@[192.168.254.205]>

RSVP:   None is necessary.  Just show up. :)

Date:   Tuesday, July 25, 2005

Time:   8:00 p.m.

Place:  Long Island Chinese Cuisine
         1689 Church Street; SF, CA
         415 695-767[89]

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=C0Rlcup_0TqfYKxs1PXScMQrbWA2EPAT&csz=San+Francisco%2C+CA&country=us&new=1

Food:   Economical Chinese, with some Japanese influences

Driving: Parking is not TOO bad in this neighborhood, but you may have
to search a bit.  The metered parking out front on Church will be up
for grabs around then, and there's a bunch of diagonal parking on 29th
right next to St. Paul's, which is across the street from the place.
You'll have better luck scoping for parking on the west side of Church.

   Peninsula: Take I280 North to the San Jose Avenue exit.  (Watch it,
   this is one of the first exits for SF and it comes up sooner than
   you would think).  Move rapidly over to the left-hand lane and turn
   left (North) onto Dolores St, using the left-turn lane that is just
   after the first light.

   A few blocks later you can turn left onto 29th, and then one block
   later you'll be at Church, which is your destination.  Check for
   parking on Church as you drive through the intersection, then look
   for parking on your right on 29th.

   East Bay: Take 101 South to the Chavez exit, take Chavez to
   Guerrero/San Jose and make a left there (it's hard *not* to make a
   left there; they give you three left turn lanes).  Then you need to
   get over to the right pretty quickly, to make a right onto 29th
   street about five blocks later (right after Mitchell's, which will
   probably have a crowd on the sidewalk, cold Tuesday night or no.)

Mass Transit: Be prepared for a bit of a crowd, as this is the end of
the prime commute time.  All instructions given below are approximate
and subject to the whims of the transit gods.

   BART (East Bay, Downtown): Transfer to Muni at a lower Market St.
   station.  Within the station, exit BART, enter MUNI, and catch the
   J Church (outbound).  Get off at 29th St; walk back (North) a bit.

   BART (Peninsula): Transfer to the J Church (inbound) at the Glen
   Park station.  Get off at 29th St; walk forward (North) a bit.

   Caltrain: (Don't take Caltrain if you can avoid it. Trains run
   back at 10:00 p.m. and 11:59 p.m. only!)  From the station, take the
   N to a lower Market St. station, then transfer to the J (outbound).
   Get off at 29th St; walk back (North) a bit.

   Muni: Take the J Church.  Get off at 29th St; walk North a bit.
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From matt at cloudfactory.org  Thu Jul 21 15:51:44 2005
From: matt at cloudfactory.org (Matthew Lanier)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:51:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [sf-perl] Beer and Egg Roll SIG  (8 pm, July 25)
In-Reply-To: <p0621020ebf05c44f5ccc@[192.168.254.205]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0507211551000.26567-100000@cumulonimbus.cloudfactory.org>


hey rich-

is this the place that serves chinese food like it was a japanese
restaurant?

m@

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Rich Morin wrote:

> RSVP:   None is necessary.  Just show up. :)
>
> Date:   Tuesday, July 25, 2005
>
> Time:   8:00 p.m.
>
> Place:  Long Island Chinese Cuisine
>          1689 Church Street; SF, CA
>          415 695-767[89]
>

m@


From rdm at cfcl.com  Thu Jul 21 16:08:23 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:08:23 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Beer and Egg Roll SIG  (8 pm, July 25)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0507211551000.26567-100000@cumulonimbus.cloudfactory.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0507211551000.26567-100000@cumulonimbus.cloudfactory.org>
Message-ID: <p0621020fbf05dae0a6ea@[192.168.254.205]>

At 3:51 PM -0700 7/21/05, Matthew Lanier wrote:
>is this the place that serves chinese food like it was a japanese
>restaurant?

Pretty much.  The food is Chinese, but the presentation has some
Japanese touches.  They appear to do a lot of take-out, but the
restaurant itself stays pretty empty, so they're fine with some
Perlies taking up a long table for a couple of hours...

-r
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From qw at sf.pm.org  Thu Jul 21 20:16:53 2005
From: qw at sf.pm.org (Quinn Weaver)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:16:53 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fuzzy mod_perl memory requirements super fun question
Message-ID: <20050722031653.GA58845@cfcl.com>

OK, I have a kind of silly question.  It's been so long since I've had
to run my own web server that I don't know the answer.  (Half an hour of
Googling hasn't turned up anything, either. :/ )

The question is, how much RAM do you need to run mod_perl reasonably
these days?  I mean mod_perl 2.0.  Likely I'll be running some big
stuff like Mason on top, which could add a lot.  Actually, let's throw
in PostgreSQL; I'm using it too.

This is for a dynamic page server, i.e. all static page requests will
be handled by a separate box via reverse proxying.  Hence network
latency shouldn't be the limiting factor.  I don't expect CPU speed to
be a limiting factor, either, but I'll ask just in case.  What is the
oldest CPU I can get away with using?

These are all fuzzy questions, I know, and I don't expect studies or
graphs.  Just an anecdotal "well, this system worked for me under
such-and-such conditions" would be fabulous.

Many thanks,

--
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=for information, visit http://sf.pm.org/weblog =cut


From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Thu Jul 21 22:35:38 2005
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:35:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fuzzy mod_perl memory requirements super fun question
In-Reply-To: <20050722031653.GA58845@cfcl.com> 
References: <20050722031653.GA58845@cfcl.com>
Message-ID: <200507220535.j6M5ZcP20476@mail0.rawbw.com>


Quinn Weaver <qw at sf.pm.org> wrote:

> The question is, how much RAM do you need to run mod_perl reasonably
> these days?  I mean mod_perl 2.0.  Likely I'll be running some big
> stuff like Mason on top, which could add a lot.  Actually, let's throw
> in PostgreSQL; I'm using it too.
> 
> This is for a dynamic page server, i.e. all static page requests will
> be handled by a separate box via reverse proxying.  Hence network
> latency shouldn't be the limiting factor.  I don't expect CPU speed to
> be a limiting factor, either, but I'll ask just in case.  What is the
> oldest CPU I can get away with using?
> 
> These are all fuzzy questions, I know, and I don't expect studies or
> graphs.  Just an anecdotal "well, this system worked for me under
> such-and-such conditions" would be fabulous.

I think my anecdotal evidence may be even fuzzier than your questions,
but let me get things started.  

How much memory should you get?  As much as you can afford.  
How much memory could you get away with?  Probably less than you think.

At home I often mess around with original Pentium boxes with only about
640 Mb (hardware manufacturers don't make a lot of money off of me). 
A box like this is ancient by today's standards, and they do huff and
puff a bit on occasion, but then I'm often running X windows on them as well.

I would guess you should shoot for a gigabyte of memory or more, and an
AMD/Intel [1] architecture processor from a generation or two back.
Oh, and while you can probably live with IDE disk drives, my guess is
you're still much better off with SCSI, despite what you hear from
slash-kids these days.

And plan on getting a second, similar box at some point if that one
starts hitting a wall: it's not that difficult to run Postgresql on
another box.

[1] Preferably AMD.  Remember what Intel did to Randall Schwartz.

From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu  Thu Jul 21 22:35:38 2005
From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:35:38 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fuzzy mod_perl memory requirements super fun question
In-Reply-To: <20050722031653.GA58845@cfcl.com> 
References: <20050722031653.GA58845@cfcl.com>
Message-ID: <200507220535.j6M5ZcP20476@mail0.rawbw.com>


Quinn Weaver <qw at sf.pm.org> wrote:

> The question is, how much RAM do you need to run mod_perl reasonably
> these days?  I mean mod_perl 2.0.  Likely I'll be running some big
> stuff like Mason on top, which could add a lot.  Actually, let's throw
> in PostgreSQL; I'm using it too.
> 
> This is for a dynamic page server, i.e. all static page requests will
> be handled by a separate box via reverse proxying.  Hence network
> latency shouldn't be the limiting factor.  I don't expect CPU speed to
> be a limiting factor, either, but I'll ask just in case.  What is the
> oldest CPU I can get away with using?
> 
> These are all fuzzy questions, I know, and I don't expect studies or
> graphs.  Just an anecdotal "well, this system worked for me under
> such-and-such conditions" would be fabulous.

I think my anecdotal evidence may be even fuzzier than your questions,
but let me get things started.  

How much memory should you get?  As much as you can afford.  
How much memory could you get away with?  Probably less than you think.

At home I often mess around with original Pentium boxes with only about
640 Mb (hardware manufacturers don't make a lot of money off of me). 
A box like this is ancient by today's standards, and they do huff and
puff a bit on occasion, but then I'm often running X windows on them as well.

I would guess you should shoot for a gigabyte of memory or more, and an
AMD/Intel [1] architecture processor from a generation or two back.
Oh, and while you can probably live with IDE disk drives, my guess is
you're still much better off with SCSI, despite what you hear from
slash-kids these days.

And plan on getting a second, similar box at some point if that one
starts hitting a wall: it's not that difficult to run Postgresql on
another box.

[1] Preferably AMD.  Remember what Intel did to Randall Schwartz.

From chris at noncombatant.org  Fri Jul 22 12:25:46 2005
From: chris at noncombatant.org (Chris Palmer)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:25:46 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Fuzzy mod_perl memory requirements super fun question
In-Reply-To: <200507220535.j6M5ZcP20476@mail0.rawbw.com>
References: <20050722031653.GA58845@cfcl.com>
	<200507220535.j6M5ZcP20476@mail0.rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20050722192546.GK19909@nodewarrior.org>

RAM is so cheap there's no real reason not to max out, or get at least 1
or 2 GB.

SCSI vs. ATAPI: depends on the work load. A normal web server shouldn't
be hitting the disk much at all once it's been up for a while; all the
files should be in the kernel's cache in RAM. And you'll have plenty of
RAM, right? A database server should also ideally have the entire
database in RAM, if you can afford it, but of course you'll want fast
writes. Spreading the load over a SCSI RAID is a good idea here. Getting
the stripe size right for your database is one of the big performance
tweakables.

As has been mentioned, you can always put DB and web server on different
machines if your project grows that large.


-- 
print
pack'c*',map{$sum+=$_}
106,11,-2,1,-84,65,13,
1,5,-12,-3,13,-82,80,-
11,13,-6,-76,72,-7,2,8
           ,-6,13,-104


From Paul.Makepeace at realprogrammers.com  Fri Jul 22 16:54:53 2005
From: Paul.Makepeace at realprogrammers.com (Paul Makepeace)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:54:53 +0100
Subject: [sf-perl] Fuzzy mod_perl memory requirements super fun question
In-Reply-To: <20050722031653.GA58845@cfcl.com>
References: <20050722031653.GA58845@cfcl.com>
Message-ID: <20050722235453.GH10065@mythix.realprogrammers.com>

Je 2005-07-22 04:16:53 +0100, Quinn Weaver skribis:
> OK, I have a kind of silly question.  It's been so long since I've had
> to run my own web server that I don't know the answer.  (Half an hour of
> Googling hasn't turned up anything, either. :/ )
> 
> The question is, how much RAM do you need to run mod_perl reasonably
> these days?

realprogrammers.com hosts 130+ sites some running mod_perl, some PHP
(which can get RAM hungry too,) all in a big fat monolithic apache
1.3. There is also MySQL and Pg and spamassassin 3, all working reasonably
hard. It all used to run in 512MB and now is a little more
comfortable in a gig.

Apache did in the last day:

httpdlog=> select count(urlpath), sum(bytes) from requests where now()-timeserved < '1 day'::interval;
 count |    sum
-------+------------
 77015 | 1103050771
(1 row)

Its load is around 0.3 most of the time. RAID 0 7200rpm IDE drives,
Debian + 2.6 kernel. Intel 1.8GHz.

</$anecdotes++>

HTH a bit :)
Paul

-- 
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"What is harry Potter? It can only be street-cleaning."
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/

From chris at noncombatant.org  Sat Jul 23 16:10:34 2005
From: chris at noncombatant.org (Chris Palmer)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:10:34 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Beer and Egg Roll SIG  (8 pm, July 25)
In-Reply-To: <p0621020ebf05c44f5ccc@[192.168.254.205]>
References: <p0621020ebf05c44f5ccc@[192.168.254.205]>
Message-ID: <20050723231034.GP19909@nodewarrior.org>

Rich Morin writes:

> Date:   Tuesday, July 25, 2005

The 25th is a Monday.


-- 
print
pack'c*',map{$sum+=$_}
106,11,-2,1,-84,65,13,
1,5,-12,-3,13,-82,80,-
11,13,-6,-76,72,-7,2,8
           ,-6,13,-104


From rdm at cfcl.com  Sat Jul 23 18:13:55 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:13:55 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Beer and Egg Roll SIG  (8 pm, July 26)
In-Reply-To: <20050723231034.GP19909@nodewarrior.org>
References: <p0621020ebf05c44f5ccc@[192.168.254.205]>
	<20050723231034.GP19909@nodewarrior.org>
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>The 25th is a Monday.

Sigh.  Yep, and the SIG meets on Tuesday the 26th.

-r
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From rdm at cfcl.com  Tue Jul 26 10:41:31 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:41:31 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] Beer and Egg Roll SIG  (8 pm, July 26)
Message-ID: <p0621021fbf0c25df404c@[192.168.254.205]>

Just a last-minute reminder...

-r


RSVP:   None is necessary.  Just show up. :)

Date:   Tuesday, July 26, 2005

Time:   8:00 p.m.

Place:  Long Island Chinese Cuisine
         1689 Church Street; SF, CA
         415 695-767[89]

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=C0Rlcup_0TqfYKxs1PXScMQrbWA2EPAT&csz=San+Francisco%2C+CA&country=us&new=1

Food:   Economical Chinese, with some Japanese influences

Driving: Parking is not TOO bad in this neighborhood, but you may have
to search a bit.  The metered parking out front on Church will be up
for grabs around then, and there's a bunch of diagonal parking on 29th
right next to St. Paul's, which is across the street from the place.
You'll have better luck scoping for parking on the west side of Church.

    Peninsula: Take I280 North to the San Jose Avenue exit.  (Watch it,
    this is one of the first exits for SF and it comes up sooner than
    you would think).  Move rapidly over to the left-hand lane and turn
    left (North) onto Dolores St, using the left-turn lane that is just
    after the first light.

    A few blocks later you can turn left onto 29th, and then one block
    later you'll be at Church, which is your destination.  Check for
    parking on Church as you drive through the intersection, then look
    for parking on your right on 29th.

    East Bay: Take 101 South to the Chavez exit, take Chavez to
    Guerrero/San Jose and make a left there (it's hard *not* to make a
    left there; they give you three left turn lanes).  Then you need to
    get over to the right pretty quickly, to make a right onto 29th
    street about five blocks later (right after Mitchell's, which will
    probably have a crowd on the sidewalk, cold Tuesday night or no.)

Mass Transit: Be prepared for a bit of a crowd, as this is the end of
the prime commute time.  All instructions given below are approximate
and subject to the whims of the transit gods.

    BART (East Bay, Downtown): Transfer to Muni at a lower Market St.
    station.  Within the station, exit BART, enter MUNI, and catch the
    J Church (outbound).  Get off at 29th St; walk back (North) a bit.

    BART (Peninsula): Transfer to the J Church (inbound) at the Glen
    Park station.  Get off at 29th St; walk forward (North) a bit.

    Caltrain: (Don't take Caltrain if you can avoid it. Trains run
    back at 10:00 p.m. and 11:59 p.m. only!)  From the station, take the
    N to a lower Market St. station, then transfer to the J (outbound).
    Get off at 29th St; walk back (North) a bit.

    Muni: Take the J Church.  Get off at 29th St; walk North a bit.
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From parallax99 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 26 12:00:48 2005
From: parallax99 at hotmail.com (S A)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:00:48 -0700
Subject: [sf-perl] LWP::UserAgent question
In-Reply-To: <p0621021fbf0c25df404c@[192.168.254.205]>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F19322BCD83CD9F62D587A1D4CD0@phx.gbl>

Hi All,

I've been asked to include some search functionality in a perl CGI program 
that I'm writing.  Fortunately, this functionality is already available on 
the same server as a separate CGI program.  Thus, I decided to leverage this 
by using LWP::UserAgent to make a request and then do nifty things with the 
response.

The server was recently switched over to LDAP authentication, and both my 
program and the search program fall under the realm where authentication is 
necessary before getting a successful response, but the same 
username/password should be valid for both.  The user is logged in if 
they're inside my CGI program, but I've been struggling with setting up the 
proper credentials for the call to the search program.  Specifically, I 
don't know how to fetch the username and password.  I need to make the call 
invisible to the user, so I need to somehow get the user/pwd that's 
currently being used and supply them as credentials to the request I'm 
composing.  Without it, the request keeps giving a 401 Authentication error. 
  Can anyone tell me how to fetch these two items?  Is there some simple API 
that I can use?  I'm sure I'm not the first person to try this....

Thanks!
       /S
-
Stefan Amshey
parallax99 at hotmail.com