From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Tue Jul  7 15:43:57 2020
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 15:43:57 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Quarterly Meeting on Tuesday, July 14th, 2020
Message-ID: <CAO6cO5_B5EQJq-XR93eJBPxH6Lw=8FxeNy_-KkbTRN7WTzQ22w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello San Diego Perl Mongers,

This is just a quick reminder that it's almost time for our quarterly
meeting.  As we did last time, we're going to meet online (because nobody
wants to be getting, giving, or otherwise dealing with COVID-19).  The
online details will be sent out early next week.

We'll start the meeting at about 7 PM.  On the agenda for this meeting,
we'll start with the normal chatter and questions, and then we'll go into
at least two presentations: One on "What's new in Perl 5.32", and another
on what I witnessed at The Perl and Raku Conference 2020.  If you have any
presentations that you'd like included in the meeting, please let me know,
and I'll be happy to include some time for them.

I'm looking forward to seeing you all again, and having a great discussion.

Bob
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From tim.bollman at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 07:01:48 2020
From: tim.bollman at gmail.com (Tim Bollman)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 10:01:48 -0400
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Quarterly Meeting on Tuesday, July 14th, 2020
In-Reply-To: <CAO6cO5_B5EQJq-XR93eJBPxH6Lw=8FxeNy_-KkbTRN7WTzQ22w@mail.gmail.com>
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I made my move to North Carolina last month, but I might be able to make it
for an hour or so given the late night for me.

I realize I never sent out the slides on my presentation from the last
meeting on underutilized algorithms and techniques, so here it is: Perl
Mongers 2020-04-14.pptx
<https://1drv.ms/p/s!AlYbryv5WVB-kIhgd5FkTPqnJDejvQ?e=asIaRa>

I've got some slides I'm working on right now for an internal team
presentation at NVidia to define the purpose for different types of testing
so we can align as a team on what we want to focus on and do about our
crufty legacy random suite that's sitting in like 14 different directories
and takes 2 hours to run on a server farm and needs to be resubmitted 3
times because of random flakiness. But I doubt I'm going to be a great
presenter at 10PM my time. If you are in a similar boat, it might be
helpful for people.

But you could just skip my 15 minute distilling and go to some of my recent
sources like these two talks that I think did a decent job helping me
crystalize what I've got in the deck:

TDD - Where did it all go wrong
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ05e7EMOLM>
TDD - The bad parts
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPL84vvLwXA>

Despite the name, these aren't bashing on TDD, they are people who ascribe
to the methodology talking about the good parts of it to take away for your
team, which is generally just a statement on what value types of testing
does and does not bring.

-Tim


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 6:44 PM Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net>
wrote:

> Hello San Diego Perl Mongers,
>
> This is just a quick reminder that it's almost time for our quarterly
> meeting.  As we did last time, we're going to meet online (because nobody
> wants to be getting, giving, or otherwise dealing with COVID-19).  The
> online details will be sent out early next week.
>
> We'll start the meeting at about 7 PM.  On the agenda for this meeting,
> we'll start with the normal chatter and questions, and then we'll go into
> at least two presentations: One on "What's new in Perl 5.32", and another
> on what I witnessed at The Perl and Raku Conference 2020.  If you have any
> presentations that you'd like included in the meeting, please let me know,
> and I'll be happy to include some time for them.
>
> I'm looking forward to seeing you all again, and having a great discussion.
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> San-Diego-pm mailing list
> San-Diego-pm at pm.org
> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm
>
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From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Tue Jul 14 13:45:55 2020
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:45:55 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Quarterly Meeting on Tuesday, July 14th, 2020
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Perl Mongers,

Our quarterly meeting is tonight.  Because of the pesky disease that's been
spreading, we'll be gathering online.  The agenda for tonight is:  Normal
conversation and seeing how everyone is doing; if there are any questions
that need to be answered, we'll do that; followed by jumping into our
presentations.  We have at least three, though if anybody would like to
step up and add another to the mix, please let me know.

Meeting ID: 896 3919 9931
Link to the meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89639199931

The meeting password is the number you get when evaluating the following
Perl:

    @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say @n[0,1,3,2];

This Perl should also work:

    srand(14); @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say sort
{rand()<=>rand()} @n;

And this should also work:

    srand(2); @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say reverse sort
{rand()<=>rand()} @n;

Other variations are left as exercises to the reader.

I'll look forward to seeing you all tonight!

Bob


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net>
wrote:

> Hello San Diego Perl Mongers,
>
> This is just a quick reminder that it's almost time for our quarterly
> meeting.  As we did last time, we're going to meet online (because nobody
> wants to be getting, giving, or otherwise dealing with COVID-19).  The
> online details will be sent out early next week.
>
> We'll start the meeting at about 7 PM.  On the agenda for this meeting,
> we'll start with the normal chatter and questions, and then we'll go into
> at least two presentations: One on "What's new in Perl 5.32", and another
> on what I witnessed at The Perl and Raku Conference 2020.  If you have any
> presentations that you'd like included in the meeting, please let me know,
> and I'll be happy to include some time for them.
>
> I'm looking forward to seeing you all again, and having a great discussion.
>
> Bob
>
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From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Tue Jul 14 13:46:46 2020
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:46:46 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Quarterly Meeting on Tuesday, July 14th, 2020
In-Reply-To: <CAO6cO59Rph8aa7dwsSKW_uue9Kmo8dTX7jWm=6NPUhY2tvLR-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO6cO5_B5EQJq-XR93eJBPxH6Lw=8FxeNy_-KkbTRN7WTzQ22w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO6cO59Rph8aa7dwsSKW_uue9Kmo8dTX7jWm=6NPUhY2tvLR-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO6cO598CdmQJRff+Hsxe5H_XofnmkiSbydXsXvwWUs2B9+W7w@mail.gmail.com>

And, of course, I realize I forgot to include the time: 7 PM.

If there's any more questions, please let me know.

Bob

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:45 PM Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net>
wrote:

> Perl Mongers,
>
> Our quarterly meeting is tonight.  Because of the pesky disease that's
> been spreading, we'll be gathering online.  The agenda for tonight is:
> Normal conversation and seeing how everyone is doing; if there are any
> questions that need to be answered, we'll do that; followed by jumping into
> our presentations.  We have at least three, though if anybody would like to
> step up and add another to the mix, please let me know.
>
> Meeting ID: 896 3919 9931
> Link to the meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89639199931
>
> The meeting password is the number you get when evaluating the following
> Perl:
>
>     @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say @n[0,1,3,2];
>
> This Perl should also work:
>
>     srand(14); @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say sort
> {rand()<=>rand()} @n;
>
> And this should also work:
>
>     srand(2); @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say reverse sort
> {rand()<=>rand()} @n;
>
> Other variations are left as exercises to the reader.
>
> I'll look forward to seeing you all tonight!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello San Diego Perl Mongers,
>>
>> This is just a quick reminder that it's almost time for our quarterly
>> meeting.  As we did last time, we're going to meet online (because nobody
>> wants to be getting, giving, or otherwise dealing with COVID-19).  The
>> online details will be sent out early next week.
>>
>> We'll start the meeting at about 7 PM.  On the agenda for this meeting,
>> we'll start with the normal chatter and questions, and then we'll go into
>> at least two presentations: One on "What's new in Perl 5.32", and another
>> on what I witnessed at The Perl and Raku Conference 2020.  If you have any
>> presentations that you'd like included in the meeting, please let me know,
>> and I'll be happy to include some time for them.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing you all again, and having a great
>> discussion.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
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From tim at obsoft.net  Tue Jul 14 14:01:17 2020
From: tim at obsoft.net (tim)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:01:17 -0400
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Quarterly Meeting on Tuesday, July 14th, 2020
In-Reply-To: <CAO6cO59Rph8aa7dwsSKW_uue9Kmo8dTX7jWm=6NPUhY2tvLR-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO6cO5_B5EQJq-XR93eJBPxH6Lw=8FxeNy_-KkbTRN7WTzQ22w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO6cO59Rph8aa7dwsSKW_uue9Kmo8dTX7jWm=6NPUhY2tvLR-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3897716-5831-4DA0-BB70-15C9EA652A41@obsoft.net>

Please help me out here didn't know there would be a test.
Tim


On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> wrote:

> Perl Mongers,
> 
> Our quarterly meeting is tonight.  Because of the pesky disease that's been spreading, we'll be gathering online.  The agenda for tonight is:  Normal conversation and seeing how everyone is doing; if there are any questions that need to be answered, we'll do that; followed by jumping into our presentations.  We have at least three, though if anybody would like to step up and add another to the mix, please let me know.
> 
> Meeting ID: 896 3919 9931
> Link to the meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89639199931
> 
> The meeting password is the number you get when evaluating the following Perl:
> 
>     @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say @n[0,1,3,2];
> 
> This Perl should also work:
> 
>     srand(14); @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say sort {rand()<=>rand()} @n;
> 
> And this should also work:
> 
>     srand(2); @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say reverse sort {rand()<=>rand()} @n;
> 
> Other variations are left as exercises to the reader.
> 
> I'll look forward to seeing you all tonight!
> 
> Bob

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From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Wed Jul 15 14:39:20 2020
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 14:39:20 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Quarterly Meeting on Tuesday, July 14th, 2020
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References: <CAO6cO5_B5EQJq-XR93eJBPxH6Lw=8FxeNy_-KkbTRN7WTzQ22w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO6cO59Rph8aa7dwsSKW_uue9Kmo8dTX7jWm=6NPUhY2tvLR-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO6cO59Lh55D9cv3r05Z8YUTPGJZzxZiPg7JdkFTNb5L6r-QUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for a good meeting.  Two of the presentations from the
meeting:

What I Saw at the Perl & Raku Conference 2020
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bm031LAjj55w2nljBiddSgiIC3DmLZjOnpIPaddYR8A/preview

What's New in Perl 5.32
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gc0AccC1lWUBWSJ-UVsm2ctyDx4ZS3_jHhm7KsoDqPU/preview

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:45 PM Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net>
wrote:

> Perl Mongers,
>
> Our quarterly meeting is tonight.  Because of the pesky disease that's
> been spreading, we'll be gathering online.  The agenda for tonight is:
> Normal conversation and seeing how everyone is doing; if there are any
> questions that need to be answered, we'll do that; followed by jumping into
> our presentations.  We have at least three, though if anybody would like to
> step up and add another to the mix, please let me know.
>
> Meeting ID: 896 3919 9931
> Link to the meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89639199931
>
> The meeting password is the number you get when evaluating the following
> Perl:
>
>     @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say @n[0,1,3,2];
>
> This Perl should also work:
>
>     srand(14); @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say sort
> {rand()<=>rand()} @n;
>
> And this should also work:
>
>     srand(2); @n = 6 .. 9; $_ = $_ x 2 for @n[0,-1]; say reverse sort
> {rand()<=>rand()} @n;
>
> Other variations are left as exercises to the reader.
>
> I'll look forward to seeing you all tonight!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello San Diego Perl Mongers,
>>
>> This is just a quick reminder that it's almost time for our quarterly
>> meeting.  As we did last time, we're going to meet online (because nobody
>> wants to be getting, giving, or otherwise dealing with COVID-19).  The
>> online details will be sent out early next week.
>>
>> We'll start the meeting at about 7 PM.  On the agenda for this meeting,
>> we'll start with the normal chatter and questions, and then we'll go into
>> at least two presentations: One on "What's new in Perl 5.32", and another
>> on what I witnessed at The Perl and Raku Conference 2020.  If you have any
>> presentations that you'd like included in the meeting, please let me know,
>> and I'll be happy to include some time for them.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing you all again, and having a great
>> discussion.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
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