From xrz1138 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 18:56:12 2010
From: xrz1138 at gmail.com (Christopher Hahn)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:56:12 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] odd chars in file "Killing" my console
Message-ID: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>

Hey team,

I am trying to parse a huge (7 Gb) file that is line oriented but has
large sections
that are any kind of binary character.

(this is a p42svn dump file of a large perforce repository)

I tried several smarter things, but found the after running for a while
my console would just close....dead, gone:
============================
administrator at cmSVNDumper-09:/p42svn/testing$ ./p4dump-parse-new.pl
Killed
============================

I am sure that there are odd chars in the file that are doing this....

I tried setting binmode on the input file handle, and just loading the entire
file into a buffer, just as a test, as we have enough memory to do this.

The result:
===========================================
open(OUTF, ">SM_amanda_238037_fixed.dump")
  or die "Opening output file failed: $!";

open(INF, "SM_amanda_238037_bad.dump")
  or die "Opening input file failed: $!";
binmode INF;

my @buffer = <INF>;

print OUTF @buffer;

close(INF);
close(OUTF);
===========================================

I watched using "top" and after the memory used climbed to a tad
more than the size of the file, the "Killed" message appeared and the
console closed itself.

I have to stay at work until this is done, and so am just hoping the
someone if online and can give me the kick in the head that I need.

In any case, thanks for the attention,

Chris

--
Realisant mon espoir, je me lance vers la gloire.
Christopher Hahn == xrz1138 at gmail.com

From pm at bionikchickens.com  Wed Nov 10 19:57:10 2010
From: pm at bionikchickens.com (Nicholas Wehr)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:57:10 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] odd chars in file "Killing" my console
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6m97kteqNNmZYE5iv0j3Gqx98Yaq7u9ow2W03@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, are you able to post the file to a public place for us to look? Feel
free to PM me as well.


-nw

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Christopher Hahn <xrz1138 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey team,
>
> I am trying to parse a huge (7 Gb) file that is line oriented but has
> large sections
> that are any kind of binary character.
>
> (this is a p42svn dump file of a large perforce repository)
>
> I tried several smarter things, but found the after running for a while
> my console would just close....dead, gone:
> ============================
> administrator at cmSVNDumper-09:/p42svn/testing$ ./p4dump-parse-new.pl
> Killed
> ============================
>
> I am sure that there are odd chars in the file that are doing this....
>
> I tried setting binmode on the input file handle, and just loading the
> entire
> file into a buffer, just as a test, as we have enough memory to do this.
>
> The result:
> ===========================================
> open(OUTF, ">SM_amanda_238037_fixed.dump")
>  or die "Opening output file failed: $!";
>
> open(INF, "SM_amanda_238037_bad.dump")
>  or die "Opening input file failed: $!";
> binmode INF;
>
> my @buffer = <INF>;
>
> print OUTF @buffer;
>
> close(INF);
> close(OUTF);
> ===========================================
>
> I watched using "top" and after the memory used climbed to a tad
> more than the size of the file, the "Killed" message appeared and the
> console closed itself.
>
> I have to stay at work until this is done, and so am just hoping the
> someone if online and can give me the kick in the head that I need.
>
> In any case, thanks for the attention,
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Realisant mon espoir, je me lance vers la gloire.
> Christopher Hahn == xrz1138 at gmail.com
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From tkil at scrye.com  Thu Nov 11 01:26:04 2010
From: tkil at scrye.com (Anthony Foiani)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 02:26:04 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] odd chars in file "Killing" my console
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
	(Christopher Hahn's message of "Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:56:12 -0800")
References: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <goc9wmcsz.fsf@dworkin.scrye.com>


Christopher --

Christopher Hahn <xrz1138 at gmail.com> writes:
> I am trying to parse a huge (7 Gb) file that is line oriented but
> has large sections that are any kind of binary character.
> [...]
> I am sure that there are odd chars in the file that are doing this....

That's really unlikely.  What makes you sure?

You could try doing a simple replace of all non-printable chars with,
say "!", and see if it still chokes.

> I tried setting binmode on the input file handle, and just loading
> the entire file into a buffer, just as a test, as we have enough
> memory to do this.

And for 7GB, you really want to use 'mmap', not "read the buffer in".
There are Perl modules to do that, although I've never used them.

Oooooh!

  "Note that PerlIO now defines a :mmap tag and presents mmap'd files
  as regular files, if that is your cup of joe."
    -- http://search.cpan.org/~toddr/Sys-Mmap-0.14/Mmap.pm

> I watched using "top" and after the memory used climbed to a tad
> more than the size of the file, the "Killed" message appeared and
> the console closed itself.

Just to check, did you turn off the relevant limits?  "ulimit -a"

What kind of system is this?  If it is a non-ancient Linux system,
there is the "Out Of Memory Killer" ("OOM Killer") to contend with.
Looking through the logs should point fingers if that's the case.

That's pretty much the only thing I can think about that would kill
your console session, actually; normally perl itself would just give
up and/or choke, and return control to your tty.

> I have to stay at work until this is done, and so am just hoping the
> someone if online and can give me the kick in the head that I need.

You can also use "strace" on linux (and "truss" on solaris and bsd?);
that might tell you which system call actually failed.  You probably
want to send output to a file, since having it sent to a terminal that
is disconnected is not horribly useful.

  strace -o boom.txt -f -tt ./my-perl-script-here.plx ...

Finally, another way to deal with arbitrarily large but still
"line-oriented" strings is to read in chunks (say, 4096 bytes), look
for any complete structures, and then keep the "tail" from the
previous blocks, append the next 4096 bytes, etc:

    # what separates records?
    my $sep_re = qr/xyzzy/;

    # how much to read at a time?
    my $chunk_size = 1 << 16;

    # read in chunks at a time, split into records, continue.
    my $buf;
    while ( my $n_read = read IN, $buf, $chunk_size, length $buf )
    {
        # split into records, preserving any leading/trailing nulls
        my @recs = split $sep_re, $buf, -1;

        # store any trailer into the buffer for next read
        $buf = pop @recs;

        # now process the records that have been found
        foreach my $rec ( @recs )
        {
            transmogrify $rec;
        }
    }

    # handle end-of-file stragglers
    if ( length( $buf ) )
    {
        transmogrify $buf;
    }

I've got a bit of an obscure example that does this; take a look
around line 547 of perl-chat:

  http://foiani.com/perl/examples/perl-chat

    # and anything we had left over from last time
    my $buf = $read_buf{$sock};

    my $n_bytes_read = sysread($sock, $buf, SOCK_IO_SIZE, length $buf);
    if (not defined $n_bytes_read)
    {
      print STDERR "sysread returned error: $!";
      $socket_info{$sock}{state} = SS_CLOSE_IMMED;
    }
    elsif ($n_bytes_read == 0)
    {
      # if we didn't read any more bytes, then we probably want to remove it.
      $socket_info{$sock}{state} = SS_CLOSE_PENDING;
    }
    else
    {
      # split the buffer on newlines...
      my @lines = split /\n/, $buf, -1;
      # ... saving any stragglers for the next time around
      $buf = pop @lines;

      # and then process each line.
      foreach (@lines)
      {
	handle_line($sock, $_);
	print STDERR "r" if $config{DEBUG};
      }
    }

    # store the remnants for the next time around.
    $read_buf{$sock} = $buf;

I can expand on this technique if that [ancient!] code isn't
particularly enlightening.  :)

> In any case, thanks for the attention,

Hope it helps.  :)

Happy hacking,
t.

From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Thu Nov 11 01:30:36 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:30:36 +0200
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] odd chars in file "Killing" my console
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201011111130.36687.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Thursday 11 November 2010 04:56:12 Christopher Hahn wrote:
> Hey team,
> 
> I am trying to parse a huge (7 Gb) file that is line oriented but has
> large sections
> that are any kind of binary character.
> 
> (this is a p42svn dump file of a large perforce repository)
> 
> I tried several smarter things, but found the after running for a while
> my console would just close....dead, gone:
> ============================
> administrator at cmSVNDumper-09:/p42svn/testing$ ./p4dump-parse-new.pl
> Killed
> ============================
> 
> I am sure that there are odd chars in the file that are doing this....
> 
> I tried setting binmode on the input file handle, and just loading the
> entire file into a buffer, just as a test, as we have enough memory to do
> this.
> 
> The result:
> ===========================================
> open(OUTF, ">SM_amanda_238037_fixed.dump")
>   or die "Opening output file failed: $!";
> 
> open(INF, "SM_amanda_238037_bad.dump")
>   or die "Opening input file failed: $!";
> binmode INF;
> 
> my @buffer = <INF>;
> 

Are you sure you want to load the many lines of a 7GB file into an array? Perl 
arrays have a lot of overhead, and doing this would be very memory wasteful. 
How much RAM do you have? You'll need much more than 7 GB for that.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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From xrz1138 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 11 01:33:36 2010
From: xrz1138 at gmail.com (Christopher Hahn)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:33:36 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] odd chars in file "Killing" my console
In-Reply-To: <goc9wmcsz.fsf@dworkin.scrye.com>
References: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
	<goc9wmcsz.fsf@dworkin.scrye.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim=rHXwO1gz6nv6M8bPMmR74eN4T7cKhVH5EVXD@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you both for taking the time!

A smaller test dump is divide-and-conquer...I should've thought of
this, but I was challenged with trying to slam out a script in a half-day.

I will ponder the techs suggested Tony.

Thank you again.  A good word goes a long way.

Chris

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Anthony Foiani <tkil at scrye.com> wrote:

>
> Christopher --
>
> Christopher Hahn <xrz1138 at gmail.com> writes:
> > I am trying to parse a huge (7 Gb) file that is line oriented but
> > has large sections that are any kind of binary character.
> > [...]
> > I am sure that there are odd chars in the file that are doing this....
>
> That's really unlikely.  What makes you sure?
>
> You could try doing a simple replace of all non-printable chars with,
> say "!", and see if it still chokes.
>
> > I tried setting binmode on the input file handle, and just loading
> > the entire file into a buffer, just as a test, as we have enough
> > memory to do this.
>
> And for 7GB, you really want to use 'mmap', not "read the buffer in".
> There are Perl modules to do that, although I've never used them.
>
> Oooooh!
>
>  "Note that PerlIO now defines a :mmap tag and presents mmap'd files
>  as regular files, if that is your cup of joe."
>    -- http://search.cpan.org/~toddr/Sys-Mmap-0.14/Mmap.pm<http://search.cpan.org/%7Etoddr/Sys-Mmap-0.14/Mmap.pm>
>
> > I watched using "top" and after the memory used climbed to a tad
> > more than the size of the file, the "Killed" message appeared and
> > the console closed itself.
>
> Just to check, did you turn off the relevant limits?  "ulimit -a"
>
> What kind of system is this?  If it is a non-ancient Linux system,
> there is the "Out Of Memory Killer" ("OOM Killer") to contend with.
> Looking through the logs should point fingers if that's the case.
>
> That's pretty much the only thing I can think about that would kill
> your console session, actually; normally perl itself would just give
> up and/or choke, and return control to your tty.
>
> > I have to stay at work until this is done, and so am just hoping the
> > someone if online and can give me the kick in the head that I need.
>
> You can also use "strace" on linux (and "truss" on solaris and bsd?);
> that might tell you which system call actually failed.  You probably
> want to send output to a file, since having it sent to a terminal that
> is disconnected is not horribly useful.
>
>  strace -o boom.txt -f -tt ./my-perl-script-here.plx ...
>
> Finally, another way to deal with arbitrarily large but still
> "line-oriented" strings is to read in chunks (say, 4096 bytes), look
> for any complete structures, and then keep the "tail" from the
> previous blocks, append the next 4096 bytes, etc:
>
>    # what separates records?
>    my $sep_re = qr/xyzzy/;
>
>    # how much to read at a time?
>    my $chunk_size = 1 << 16;
>
>    # read in chunks at a time, split into records, continue.
>    my $buf;
>    while ( my $n_read = read IN, $buf, $chunk_size, length $buf )
>    {
>        # split into records, preserving any leading/trailing nulls
>        my @recs = split $sep_re, $buf, -1;
>
>        # store any trailer into the buffer for next read
>        $buf = pop @recs;
>
>        # now process the records that have been found
>        foreach my $rec ( @recs )
>        {
>            transmogrify $rec;
>        }
>    }
>
>    # handle end-of-file stragglers
>    if ( length( $buf ) )
>    {
>        transmogrify $buf;
>    }
>
> I've got a bit of an obscure example that does this; take a look
> around line 547 of perl-chat:
>
>  http://foiani.com/perl/examples/perl-chat
>
>    # and anything we had left over from last time
>    my $buf = $read_buf{$sock};
>
>    my $n_bytes_read = sysread($sock, $buf, SOCK_IO_SIZE, length $buf);
>    if (not defined $n_bytes_read)
>    {
>      print STDERR "sysread returned error: $!";
>      $socket_info{$sock}{state} = SS_CLOSE_IMMED;
>    }
>    elsif ($n_bytes_read == 0)
>    {
>      # if we didn't read any more bytes, then we probably want to remove
> it.
>      $socket_info{$sock}{state} = SS_CLOSE_PENDING;
>    }
>    else
>    {
>      # split the buffer on newlines...
>      my @lines = split /\n/, $buf, -1;
>      # ... saving any stragglers for the next time around
>      $buf = pop @lines;
>
>      # and then process each line.
>      foreach (@lines)
>      {
>        handle_line($sock, $_);
>        print STDERR "r" if $config{DEBUG};
>      }
>    }
>
>    # store the remnants for the next time around.
>    $read_buf{$sock} = $buf;
>
> I can expand on this technique if that [ancient!] code isn't
> particularly enlightening.  :)
>
> > In any case, thanks for the attention,
>
> Hope it helps.  :)
>
> Happy hacking,
> t.
>



-- 
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Christopher Hahn == xrz1138 at gmail.com
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From xrz1138 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 11 01:35:30 2010
From: xrz1138 at gmail.com (Christopher Hahn)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:35:30 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] odd chars in file "Killing" my console
In-Reply-To: <201011111130.36687.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
References: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
	<201011111130.36687.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinWuPuVB2Q1d+hFRUdCONb5sDEXQMpEK5mQQLhj@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Shlomi,

Thanks for taking the time.

Yes, there is more than enough RAM to load the thing....and
I was only trying that in desperation.

Given that the day is over, I will try a smaller dump file to write
my script to.

Onward and upward,

Chris

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at iglu.org.il> wrote:

> On Thursday 11 November 2010 04:56:12 Christopher Hahn wrote:
> > Hey team,
> >
> > I am trying to parse a huge (7 Gb) file that is line oriented but has
> > large sections
> > that are any kind of binary character.
> >
> > (this is a p42svn dump file of a large perforce repository)
> >
> > I tried several smarter things, but found the after running for a while
> > my console would just close....dead, gone:
> > ============================
> > administrator at cmSVNDumper-09:/p42svn/testing$ ./p4dump-parse-new.pl
> > Killed
> > ============================
> >
> > I am sure that there are odd chars in the file that are doing this....
> >
> > I tried setting binmode on the input file handle, and just loading the
> > entire file into a buffer, just as a test, as we have enough memory to do
> > this.
> >
> > The result:
> > ===========================================
> > open(OUTF, ">SM_amanda_238037_fixed.dump")
> >   or die "Opening output file failed: $!";
> >
> > open(INF, "SM_amanda_238037_bad.dump")
> >   or die "Opening input file failed: $!";
> > binmode INF;
> >
> > my @buffer = <INF>;
> >
>
> Are you sure you want to load the many lines of a 7GB file into an array?
> Perl
> arrays have a lot of overhead, and doing this would be very memory
> wasteful.
> How much RAM do you have? You'll need much more than 7 GB for that.
>
> Regards,
>
>        Shlomi Fish
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Shlomi Fish       http://www.shlomifish.org/
> Stop Using MSIE - http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/
>
> <rindolf> She's a hot chick. But she smokes.
> <go|dfish> She can smoke as long as she's smokin'.
>
> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
>



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From xrz1138 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 12:46:11 2010
From: xrz1138 at gmail.com (Christopher Hahn)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:46:11 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] odd chars in file "Killing" my console
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinWuPuVB2Q1d+hFRUdCONb5sDEXQMpEK5mQQLhj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikhAY_mQREvtdsezF+K0-SHgo+gKfCWRJJ6Y_ZP@mail.gmail.com>
	<201011111130.36687.shlomif@iglu.org.il>
	<AANLkTinWuPuVB2Q1d+hFRUdCONb5sDEXQMpEK5mQQLhj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinv6RV2ei7wTRjppf7AgVeHcV42dEf8mRrEKksM@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

A colleague handled this nasty file....using sed!

I have used sed many times in the past, but as a standard
filter....I never thought that it could "look back" like perl can.

His answer was sufficiently nasty/beautiful that I wanted to share it:
============================================
#!/bin/sed -nf

\|^Node-path: /names/mangled/serversetup/pdf/install_en.pdf| {
        p
        n
        \|^Node-kind: file| {
                p
                n
                \|^Node-action: add| {
                        N
                        \|Text-content-length: 40|{
                                N
                                \|Text-content-md5:
e87b1296fc0de5556340adcc7c904901| {
                                        s/Node-action: add/Node-action: change/
                                        }
                                }
                        }
                }
        }
P
============================================

(it had to find file PROP blocks that had the right md5 and then
reset the action to "change")

Take care all,

Chris

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Christopher Hahn <xrz1138 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Shlomi,
>
> Thanks for taking the time.
>
> Yes, there is more than enough RAM to load the thing....and
> I was only trying that in desperation.
>
> Given that the day is over, I will try a smaller dump file to write
> my script to.
>
> Onward and upward,
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Shlomi Fish <shlomif at iglu.org.il> wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday 11 November 2010 04:56:12 Christopher Hahn wrote:
>> > Hey team,
>> >
>> > I am trying to parse a huge (7 Gb) file that is line oriented but has
>> > large sections
>> > that are any kind of binary character.
>> >
>> > (this is a p42svn dump file of a large perforce repository)
>> >
>> > I tried several smarter things, but found the after running for a while
>> > my console would just close....dead, gone:
>> > ============================
>> > administrator at cmSVNDumper-09:/p42svn/testing$ ./p4dump-parse-new.pl
>> > Killed
>> > ============================
>> >
>> > I am sure that there are odd chars in the file that are doing this....
>> >
>> > I tried setting binmode on the input file handle, and just loading the
>> > entire file into a buffer, just as a test, as we have enough memory to
>> > do
>> > this.
>> >
>> > The result:
>> > ===========================================
>> > open(OUTF, ">SM_amanda_238037_fixed.dump")
>> > ? or die "Opening output file failed: $!";
>> >
>> > open(INF, "SM_amanda_238037_bad.dump")
>> > ? or die "Opening input file failed: $!";
>> > binmode INF;
>> >
>> > my @buffer = <INF>;
>> >
>>
>> Are you sure you want to load the many lines of a 7GB file into an array?
>> Perl
>> arrays have a lot of overhead, and doing this would be very memory
>> wasteful.
>> How much RAM do you have? You'll need much more than 7 GB for that.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ? ? ? ?Shlomi Fish
>>
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Shlomi Fish ? ? ? http://www.shlomifish.org/
>> Stop Using MSIE - http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/
>>
>> <rindolf> She's a hot chick. But she smokes.
>> <go|dfish> She can smoke as long as she's smokin'.
>>
>> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
>
>
>
> --
> Realisant mon espoir, je me lance vers la gloire.
> Christopher Hahn == xrz1138 at gmail.com
>



-- 
Realisant mon espoir, je me lance vers la gloire.
Christopher Hahn == xrz1138 at gmail.com

From thierryv at abac.com  Sun Nov 14 13:56:12 2010
From: thierryv at abac.com (Thierry de Villeneuve)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:56:12 +0100
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] SOAP server in PERL
In-Reply-To: <3281FA38-2C7E-414D-A93B-788FCCC6D5E5@abac.com>
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Dear all,

I see that this problem is also puzzling you, given the few answers it  
got.

Thank you Nicholas. XML RPC was one time an option, but as the client  
software is almost complete, and out of my control, switching to RPC  
is no longer possible.

Thank you Shlomi for your remarks, but sitting in front of a computer  
since 1979, I've quit bickering about the way PERL is written and  
Linux is pronounced. I could have said "sitting in front of a  
keyboard" but the first computer I worked with had none: It had  
ferrite beads as RAM and flip switches as keyboard (CII Mitra 15).

Cheers,
Thierry


On Oct 22, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Thierry de Villeneuve wrote:

> Dear Perl Mongers of San Diego,
>
> I very rarely post on the list since I've left San Diego in 2002.  
> Few of you remember of me regularly attending the meetings ... that  
> was some 10 years ago !!!  I'm back to France now but have never  
> unsubscribe from the list and long the days I was in SD.
>
> Well, this said, here is what brings me here today.
>
> I have this (big) project at the office where I'll need to build a  
> SOAP server. The traffic is not expected to be very high: Something  
> like a transaction every 10".
>
> All the business backend is already developed and I've started  
> tinkering with SOAP::Lite a bit. I've never had to develop a server  
> based on SOAP (HTTP-SOAP) before. So, it's a brand new situation for  
> me. The XSD and WSDL is already developed, so far so good.
>
> If any one of you could shed some light on what are the "best  
> practices", best options, best CPAN modules to consider looking at  
> when to tackle this sort of project.
>
> The time to process one of the request will be important (around  
> 10~20" ... creating a SQLite db file of a few thousand rows to hand  
> over). I would rather consider an architecture where the server  
> would fork a subprocess to take care of each request. This is this  
> part I'm not feeling conformable with as of today.
>
> If someone could get me a few pointers where to start digging,  
> that'll be awesome, specifically regarding the forking/threading  
> issue.  Otherwise, I'll have to turn this part of the project to  
> someone else to develop it in C++ and gSOAP. I'd like prove PERL can  
> do the job here too ;-)
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Thierry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> San-Diego-pm mailing list
> San-Diego-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm
>


From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Mon Nov 15 14:30:57 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:30:57 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
Message-ID: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>

Perl Mongers,

This Thursday is our monthly meeting.  As usual, Anonymizer.com will
be hosting our meeting, starting around 7 PM.  Bring your interesting
ideas and we'll chat about them, the weather, and anything else that
might be interesting.

Drop me a quick note if you plan to be there, we'll save you a spot.
I look forward to seeing everybody there!

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Mon Nov 15 14:40:47 2010
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:40:47 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	(Bob Kleemann's message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:30:57 -0800")
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> writes:

Bob> This Thursday is our monthly meeting.

And once again, I'll be swooping through town beginning Friday morning.
My timing is impeccable. :)

Maybe a meetup on Sunday though?  I have to be at SAN around 2pm, but
presuming the lines at the border aren't bad, I'll be available between
11am and noon.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Mon Nov 15 15:54:36 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:54:36 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=g3BEiLc3rF7jC3agZ7rFWVBg+9AWWS5bCzSV8@mail.gmail.com>

Well then, something should be arranged.  Probably something in the
downtown, Point Loma, Ocean Beach, Old Town, or Coronado areas might
work.  Suggestions anyone?

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Randal L. Schwartz
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> writes:
>
> Bob> This Thursday is our monthly meeting.
>
> And once again, I'll be swooping through town beginning Friday morning.
> My timing is impeccable. :)
>
> Maybe a meetup on Sunday though? ?I have to be at SAN around 2pm, but
> presuming the lines at the border aren't bad, I'll be available between
> 11am and noon.
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion
>

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Mon Nov 15 15:56:32 2010
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:56:32 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=g3BEiLc3rF7jC3agZ7rFWVBg+9AWWS5bCzSV8@mail.gmail.com>
	(Bob Kleemann's message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:54:36 -0800")
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<AANLkTi=g3BEiLc3rF7jC3agZ7rFWVBg+9AWWS5bCzSV8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86lj4uuonj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> writes:

Bob> Well then, something should be arranged.  Probably something in the
Bob> downtown, Point Loma, Ocean Beach, Old Town, or Coronado areas might
Bob> work.  Suggestions anyone?

And keeping in mind I won't have a car... so some place within a few
blocks of the San Ysidro trolley would be nice.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Mon Nov 15 15:59:46 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:59:46 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <86lj4uuonj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTim8y5CuXrkAbw4o9-w8N1N5DG4JafMiRCBxcSYZ@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, that's very important info.  That would leave something in the
downtown or Old Town areas.  Again, suggestions anyone?

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Randal L. Schwartz
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> writes:
>
> Bob> Well then, something should be arranged. ?Probably something in the
> Bob> downtown, Point Loma, Ocean Beach, Old Town, or Coronado areas might
> Bob> work. ?Suggestions anyone?
>
> And keeping in mind I won't have a car... so some place within a few
> blocks of the San Ysidro trolley would be nice.
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion
>

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu Nov 18 13:14:33 2010
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:14:33 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <86lj4uuonj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> (Randal L. Schwartz's message
	of "Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:56:32 -0800")
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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Message-ID: <86tyjepc5i.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <merlyn at stonehenge.com> writes:

Randal> And keeping in mind I won't have a car... so some place within a few
Randal> blocks of the San Ysidro trolley would be nice.

Any more thoughts on this?  I'm trying to think of what's along the
trolley.  Particularly, if there's anything close to the Santa Fe
station, since my friend will be getting aboard the 3pm train back to
LA.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Thu Nov 18 13:28:01 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:28:01 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <86tyjepc5i.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<AANLkTi=g3BEiLc3rF7jC3agZ7rFWVBg+9AWWS5bCzSV8@mail.gmail.com>
	<86lj4uuonj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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I'll throw out a couple of suggestions:  Karl Strauss is just a couple
of blocks from the Santa Fe Depot.  It's been a while since I've been
there, but they should have some space we can occupy (not sure how
busy they will be though).  The Yard House is a few blocks further,
but it's bigger, so possibly easier to get a table at.  Those are two
beer + food focused locations.

Karl Strauss, Columbia Street:
http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=61168630897612049&q=Karl+Strauss+Brewing+Co,+San+Diego,+CA&hl=en&cd=2&ei=35nlTN2GJIyqigPOk-3cBg&sig2=kcZGFAoOeiz9bik8HzH43A&dtab=0&sll=32.805977,-117.19453&sspn=0.217555,0.08946&ie=UTF8&ll=32.838058,-117.171936&spn=0.267115,0.301437&z=11

Yard House:
http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=8983086518461141451&q=Yard+House+San+Diego,+San+Diego,+CA&hl=en&cd=1&ei=HprlTNSMCpWojgPoueTEBA&sig2=flQiHiT_7_207eOel6AKkQ&dtab=0&sll=32.715928,-117.160775&sspn=0.006295,0.007744&ie=UTF8&ll=32.71814,-117.162237&spn=0.008359,0.00942&z=16

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Randal L. Schwartz
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <merlyn at stonehenge.com> writes:
>
> Randal> And keeping in mind I won't have a car... so some place within a few
> Randal> blocks of the San Ysidro trolley would be nice.
>
> Any more thoughts on this? ?I'm trying to think of what's along the
> trolley. ?Particularly, if there's anything close to the Santa Fe
> station, since my friend will be getting aboard the 3pm train back to
> LA.
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion
>

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu Nov 18 14:43:11 2010
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:43:11 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinAiW6TnuFOLfQ_U0twZEnopiFbdR7pvknnnDYM@mail.gmail.com>
	(Bob Kleemann's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:28:01 -0800")
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<AANLkTi=g3BEiLc3rF7jC3agZ7rFWVBg+9AWWS5bCzSV8@mail.gmail.com>
	<86lj4uuonj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<86tyjepc5i.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<AANLkTinAiW6TnuFOLfQ_U0twZEnopiFbdR7pvknnnDYM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86pqu2p81s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> writes:

Bob> I'll throw out a couple of suggestions:  Karl Strauss is just a couple
Bob> of blocks from the Santa Fe Depot.

Yeah, let's aim for Karl Strauss... I don't recall going there.

I'll aim for noon, but based on border crossing, consider it about a 90
minute window on either side.  Watch my tweets sunday
(twitter.com/merlyn) to see when I've made it onto the trolley, and
that'll give y'all a half-hour warning (and more, if I can estimate it
while in line on the .mx side).

Speaking of beer:

... http://merlyn.posterous.com/the-very-many-varieties-of-beer-from-pop-char

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Thu Nov 18 15:01:07 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:01:07 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <86pqu2p81s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<AANLkTi=g3BEiLc3rF7jC3agZ7rFWVBg+9AWWS5bCzSV8@mail.gmail.com>
	<86lj4uuonj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<86tyjepc5i.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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I'm definitely not going to be able to get there much before noon.
Hopefully some other friends of Randal will join.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Randal L. Schwartz
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> writes:
>
> Bob> I'll throw out a couple of suggestions: ?Karl Strauss is just a couple
> Bob> of blocks from the Santa Fe Depot.
>
> Yeah, let's aim for Karl Strauss... I don't recall going there.
>
> I'll aim for noon, but based on border crossing, consider it about a 90
> minute window on either side. ?Watch my tweets sunday
> (twitter.com/merlyn) to see when I've made it onto the trolley, and
> that'll give y'all a half-hour warning (and more, if I can estimate it
> while in line on the .mx side).
>
> Speaking of beer:
>
> ... http://merlyn.posterous.com/the-very-many-varieties-of-beer-from-pop-char
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion
>

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu Nov 18 15:01:58 2010
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:01:58 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikpd06gc-aBMFXwpzGmJSx_RcsOKsSt_WfuaJok@mail.gmail.com>
	(Bob Kleemann's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:01:07 -0800")
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<AANLkTi=g3BEiLc3rF7jC3agZ7rFWVBg+9AWWS5bCzSV8@mail.gmail.com>
	<86lj4uuonj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<86tyjepc5i.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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>>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> writes:

Bob> I'm definitely not going to be able to get there much before noon.
Bob> Hopefully some other friends of Randal will join.

Yeah, well, if I get there early, I'll just hang out. :)

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Thu Nov 18 15:23:09 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:23:09 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=QJXA0dDuL-6HmhjVN41+2JUZf45_1OZdQ8+AQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick reminder folks about our meeting tonight.  I look forward
to seeing each of you there!

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Bob Kleemann <rkleeman at energoncube.net> wrote:
> Perl Mongers,
>
> This Thursday is our monthly meeting. ?As usual, Anonymizer.com will
> be hosting our meeting, starting around 7 PM. ?Bring your interesting
> ideas and we'll chat about them, the weather, and anything else that
> might be interesting.
>
> Drop me a quick note if you plan to be there, we'll save you a spot.
> I look forward to seeing everybody there!
>

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Sun Nov 21 11:13:14 2010
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 11:13:14 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
In-Reply-To: <86lj4qp76h.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> (Randal L. Schwartz's message
	of "Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:01:58 -0800")
References: <AANLkTik0pYbmRNTJD87A01JFK+BHBNZiP+uvUrQ3H6AW@mail.gmail.com>
	<86tyjius5s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<AANLkTi=g3BEiLc3rF7jC3agZ7rFWVBg+9AWWS5bCzSV8@mail.gmail.com>
	<86lj4uuonj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
	<86tyjepc5i.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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	<86pqu2p81s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <merlyn at stonehenge.com> writes:

Randal> Yeah, well, if I get there early, I'll just hang out. :)

And yes, everything worked, so I'm here.  We can hang out here until
1:30 or so.  I'll hold off ordering food until 12.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion