From szabgab at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 13:19:21 2010
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:19:21 +0200
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Perl Mongers booth at SCALE 9x and (late) Call for
	papers
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJWGZgSwkt7nJ-AKdYzWMU2dUepMePqsau7VfQ@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

excuse me for invading the local Perl Mongers list but going
through the archives I have not seen SCALE being mentioned.
Some of you might know me, I am the person with the strange idea
that if we want to have more people know about Perl we should go
to non-Perl events and show our staff there.

So I got myself involved in organization of the Perl presence at
SCALE 9x   http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ that is going to
take place between 25-27 February 2011 in Los Angeles.

We are going to have there a Perl Mongers booth and we
need some help to (wo)man that booth. More urgently, there
is still a chance to submit a talk proposal and present a Perl
based solution to some real world problem.

The dead-line is less than a week away so please hurry up
submitting your talk proposals.

13 Dec, 2010: Deadline for abstracts/proposals submissions
============

So please rush to their web site and submit a talk.

BTW we are using the TPF wiki to coordinate our presence at SCALE:
https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?events_2011_scale9x


regards
   Gabor

-- 
Gabor Szabo                     http://szabgab.com/
Perl Ecosystem Group       http://perl-ecosystem.org/

From pm at bionikchickens.com  Tue Dec  7 15:46:35 2010
From: pm at bionikchickens.com (Nicholas Wehr)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:46:35 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Configuration Management in Continuous Integration
	environments
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKv6vzfrZCtT9+DL_j1dG4=8PiCo8iPy7-jyVy@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

First off, beware, I'm a bit nutty when it comes to configuration
management. I've recently deployed a Hudson instance and wanted to move some
Catalyst projects into it. What I'd like to solicit feedback on here is: *how
are you managing your Perl dependencies in these build systems? *Here's some
goals I have:

   - do not assume any non-core modules are installed on the build platform
   - use specific version of modules in the built product - product is a
   Catalyst website for example (@inc or use lib)
   - need to archive specific version of CPAN dependencies offline; this
   means we can recreate a product without an internet connection
   - allow for the rebuild of dependencies when the build platform has
   changed; this is meant to address a platform change from 32bit to 64bit

What I'm looking at is either using local::lib or PREFIX & LIB w/ cpan. What
do you think?

Thanks in advance,
-nicholas
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From xrz1138 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 10:06:43 2010
From: xrz1138 at gmail.com (Christopher Hahn)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:06:43 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Configuration Management in Continuous
	Integration environments
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikKv6vzfrZCtT9+DL_j1dG4=8PiCo8iPy7-jyVy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikKv6vzfrZCtT9+DL_j1dG4=8PiCo8iPy7-jyVy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=RCxq+vkCUiZo6Zpcz3wdfCx56hLBN1AR4hQA4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am working with Maven, and find your question interesting, but the source
base it supports
is java and so I have not dealt with these issues.

Sorry that I could not be of assistance.

Chris

2010/12/7 Nicholas Wehr <pm at bionikchickens.com>

> Hello everyone,
>
> First off, beware, I'm a bit nutty when it comes to configuration
> management. I've recently deployed a Hudson instance and wanted to move some
> Catalyst projects into it. What I'd like to solicit feedback on here is: *how
> are you managing your Perl dependencies in these build systems? *Here's
> some goals I have:
>
>    - do not assume any non-core modules are installed on the build
>    platform
>    - use specific version of modules in the built product - product is a
>    Catalyst website for example (@inc or use lib)
>    - need to archive specific version of CPAN dependencies offline; this
>    means we can recreate a product without an internet connection
>    - allow for the rebuild of dependencies when the build platform has
>    changed; this is meant to address a platform change from 32bit to 64bit
>
> What I'm looking at is either using local::lib or PREFIX & LIB w/ cpan.
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -nicholas
>
> _______________________________________________
> San-Diego-pm mailing list
> San-Diego-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm
>



-- 
Realisant mon espoir, je me lance vers la gloire.
Christopher Hahn == xrz1138 at gmail.com
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From saaib at ciberlinux.net  Wed Dec  8 11:19:45 2010
From: saaib at ciberlinux.net (Urivan Flores)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:19:45 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Configuration Management in Continuous
	Integration environments
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikKv6vzfrZCtT9+DL_j1dG4=8PiCo8iPy7-jyVy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikKv6vzfrZCtT9+DL_j1dG4=8PiCo8iPy7-jyVy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101208191406.M68213@ciberlinux.net>

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:46:35 -0800, Nicholas Wehr wrote
> Hello everyone,
> 
> First off, beware, I'm a bit nutty when it comes to configuration management. I've recently deployed a?Hudson?instance and wanted to move some Catalyst projects into it. What I'd like to solicit feedback on here is:?how are you?managing?your Perl dependencies in these build systems??Here's some goals I have:
>
* do not assume any non-core modules are installed on the build platform
* use specific version of modules in the built product - product is a Catalyst website for example (@inc or use lib)
* need to archive specific version of CPAN dependencies offline; this means we can recreate a product without an internet connection
* allow for the rebuild of dependencies when the build platform has changed; this is meant to address a platform change from 32bit to 64bit

> What I'm looking at is either using local::lib or PREFIX & LIB w/ cpan. What do you think?

Hi Nicholas,

On my personal projects I adhere to the Linux Filesystem Hierarchy Standard [0], modules go to /usr/local/ and lib search includes that path location as first option.

Regards,

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard

-- 
Urivan Flores-Saaib 
saaib at ciberlinux.net 
(858) 431-9734
 
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From ruberad at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 11:08:43 2010
From: ruberad at gmail.com (Reuben Settergren)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:08:43 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Detect invocation method?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvuWZ-u7n-r4BXNjxcWBo86Ai2epihD=5rF_Jz@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mongers,

I'm writing some simple scripts for some very command-line-phobic users; or
let's just say they would prefer a mousy solution over a typey solution.

I've already made the script do useful things with no arguments, so they can
keep the script on their desktop, paste it into any directory and
double-click it, and then the script will discover input files in that
directory with glob() and do its thing.

I've also come up with some clever (but probably not original) techniques
like checking the special variable $0 (that's a zero) for _test or _verbose,
so I can tell if they changed the filename, and then I can behave as if they
had run from the command line with the equivalent switches, and hold up the
cmd window at the end with "Press <enter> to close this window".

But I'm looking for ways to make it even more idiot-proof.

Does anybody know of a way that I can tell whether my script was invoked
from the command-line or by double-clicking? (other than checking $0 and
trusting that the user will never double-click the script meant for
command-line invocation?)

Is there any way to package up a perl script (or .bat?) such that input
file(s) can be selected with the mouse, and dragged into the icon for the
script, so that the script would then run with the (full?) paths to the
selected files as its command-line arguments? (This is a mac paradigm,
right? I've never seen this on windoze or unix)

Also open to other clever ideas you may have to offer...

thx,

r
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From elspicyjack at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 11:31:52 2010
From: elspicyjack at gmail.com (Brian Manning)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:31:52 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Detect invocation method?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvuWZ-u7n-r4BXNjxcWBo86Ai2epihD=5rF_Jz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvuWZ-u7n-r4BXNjxcWBo86Ai2epihD=5rF_Jz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikymqc2LAwA9q2ZDfm8xZZb+TGDzFaYs7sO3TJd@mail.gmail.com>

2010/12/10 Reuben Settergren <ruberad at gmail.com>:
> Is there any way to package up a perl script (or .bat?) such that input
> file(s) can be selected with the mouse, and dragged into the icon for the
> script, so that the script would then run with the (full?) paths to the
> selected files as its command-line arguments? (This is a mac paradigm,
> right? I've never seen this on windoze or unix)

I don't know what Perl on Windows (it sounds like that's what you're
using) does with files that are dropped onto Perl scripts; I guess it
would be up to your Perl distribution and how it installs itself into
Windows, i.e. what shell hooks it adds when it installs, and not a
function of Perl itself.

That being said, I also found [1], which is a module for handling
dropped files.  If you're looking to package up your scripts into a
standalone binary, look at PAR [2].

Thanks,

Brian

[1] http://perl-win32-gui.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/docs.cgi?doc=dropfiles
[2] http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?PAR

From elspicyjack at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 11:33:51 2010
From: elspicyjack at gmail.com (Brian Manning)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:33:51 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Detect invocation method?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikymqc2LAwA9q2ZDfm8xZZb+TGDzFaYs7sO3TJd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvuWZ-u7n-r4BXNjxcWBo86Ai2epihD=5rF_Jz@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikymqc2LAwA9q2ZDfm8xZZb+TGDzFaYs7sO3TJd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin86uP516G+Q+cWxBQbN06X-PQ7pVktFd2y91Uq@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Brian Manning <elspicyjack at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/12/10 Reuben Settergren <ruberad at gmail.com>:
>> Is there any way to package up a perl script (or .bat?) such that input
>> file(s) can be selected with the mouse, and dragged into the icon for the
>> script, so that the script would then run with the (full?) paths to the
>> selected files as its command-line arguments? (This is a mac paradigm,
>> right? I've never seen this on windoze or unix)
>
> I don't know what Perl on Windows (it sounds like that's what you're
> using) does with files that are dropped onto Perl scripts; I guess it
> would be up to your Perl distribution and how it installs itself into
> Windows, i.e. what shell hooks it adds when it installs, and not a
> function of Perl itself.

Looks like people make .cmd files and/or hack up their Windows
registries to do this.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/705851/how-do-i-create-drag-and-drop-strawberry-perl-programs

Thanks,

Brian

From ruberad at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 12:01:57 2010
From: ruberad at gmail.com (Reuben Settergren)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:01:57 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Detect invocation method?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin86uP516G+Q+cWxBQbN06X-PQ7pVktFd2y91Uq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvuWZ-u7n-r4BXNjxcWBo86Ai2epihD=5rF_Jz@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikymqc2LAwA9q2ZDfm8xZZb+TGDzFaYs7sO3TJd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin86uP516G+Q+cWxBQbN06X-PQ7pVktFd2y91Uq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=08QEcN-C3JtDzvv4m3Qbhq1WJ2tKO9qrAvyvm@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, that last one is perfect!

Registry/DropHandler seems preferable in terms of elegance (I can do that
for my own machine), but wrapper is probably more practical given
uncertainty about target platforms.

Thx mucho!

r



On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Brian Manning <elspicyjack at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Brian Manning <elspicyjack at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 2010/12/10 Reuben Settergren <ruberad at gmail.com>:
> >> Is there any way to package up a perl script (or .bat?) such that input
> >> file(s) can be selected with the mouse, and dragged into the icon for
> the
> >> script, so that the script would then run with the (full?) paths to the
> >> selected files as its command-line arguments? (This is a mac paradigm,
> >> right? I've never seen this on windoze or unix)
> >
> > I don't know what Perl on Windows (it sounds like that's what you're
> > using) does with files that are dropped onto Perl scripts; I guess it
> > would be up to your Perl distribution and how it installs itself into
> > Windows, i.e. what shell hooks it adds when it installs, and not a
> > function of Perl itself.
>
> Looks like people make .cmd files and/or hack up their Windows
> registries to do this.
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/705851/how-do-i-create-drag-and-drop-strawberry-perl-programs
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
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From jsoverson at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 12:15:58 2010
From: jsoverson at gmail.com (Jarrod Overson)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:15:58 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Detect invocation method?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvuWZ-u7n-r4BXNjxcWBo86Ai2epihD=5rF_Jz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvuWZ-u7n-r4BXNjxcWBo86Ai2epihD=5rF_Jz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=bZG9HSGHixp=rtyG-_tid3kRnk3rZxdXS2G_b@mail.gmail.com>

A quick test on a windows machine with strawberry perl shows that the
'PROMPT' environment variable gets set when run by the command line but
doesn't when double clicking (with windows set to open a pl file via the
perl.exe directly)

I'm not sure how reliable that is across different system configurations,
but might be a lead worth following.


2010/12/10 Reuben Settergren <ruberad at gmail.com>

> Hi Mongers,
>
> I'm writing some simple scripts for some very command-line-phobic users; or
> let's just say they would prefer a mousy solution over a typey solution.
>
> I've already made the script do useful things with no arguments, so they
> can keep the script on their desktop, paste it into any directory and
> double-click it, and then the script will discover input files in that
> directory with glob() and do its thing.
>
> I've also come up with some clever (but probably not original) techniques
> like checking the special variable $0 (that's a zero) for _test or _verbose,
> so I can tell if they changed the filename, and then I can behave as if they
> had run from the command line with the equivalent switches, and hold up the
> cmd window at the end with "Press <enter> to close this window".
>
> But I'm looking for ways to make it even more idiot-proof.
>
> Does anybody know of a way that I can tell whether my script was invoked
> from the command-line or by double-clicking? (other than checking $0 and
> trusting that the user will never double-click the script meant for
> command-line invocation?)
>
> Is there any way to package up a perl script (or .bat?) such that input
> file(s) can be selected with the mouse, and dragged into the icon for the
> script, so that the script would then run with the (full?) paths to the
> selected files as its command-line arguments? (This is a mac paradigm,
> right? I've never seen this on windoze or unix)
>
> Also open to other clever ideas you may have to offer...
>
> thx,
>
> r
>
> _______________________________________________
> San-Diego-pm mailing list
> San-Diego-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm
>
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From ruberad at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 12:34:09 2010
From: ruberad at gmail.com (Reuben Settergren)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:34:09 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Detect invocation method?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=bZG9HSGHixp=rtyG-_tid3kRnk3rZxdXS2G_b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikvuWZ-u7n-r4BXNjxcWBo86Ai2epihD=5rF_Jz@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=bZG9HSGHixp=rtyG-_tid3kRnk3rZxdXS2G_b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=DZjezj8UTZ-3StpkgBbjY=oouyfBMVi1vYTwG@mail.gmail.com>

Ooh, that $ENV{PROMPT} thing is almost helpful too, but a quick test reveals
that this is not the case in ActiveState (5.10.1).


#! /bin/perl

print "PROMPT is '$ENV{PROMPT}'\n";
print "Press <enter> to exit\n";
<>;
Command-line and double-click invocation both show PROMPT is not set.

r



On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Jarrod Overson <jsoverson at gmail.com>wrote:

> A quick test on a windows machine with strawberry perl shows that the
> 'PROMPT' environment variable gets set when run by the command line but
> doesn't when double clicking (with windows set to open a pl file via the
> perl.exe directly)
>
> I'm not sure how reliable that is across different system configurations,
> but might be a lead worth following.
>
>
>  2010/12/10 Reuben Settergren <ruberad at gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Mongers,
>>
>> I'm writing some simple scripts for some very command-line-phobic users;
>> or let's just say they would prefer a mousy solution over a typey solution.
>>
>> I've already made the script do useful things with no arguments, so they
>> can keep the script on their desktop, paste it into any directory and
>> double-click it, and then the script will discover input files in that
>> directory with glob() and do its thing.
>>
>> I've also come up with some clever (but probably not original) techniques
>> like checking the special variable $0 (that's a zero) for _test or _verbose,
>> so I can tell if they changed the filename, and then I can behave as if they
>> had run from the command line with the equivalent switches, and hold up the
>> cmd window at the end with "Press <enter> to close this window".
>>
>> But I'm looking for ways to make it even more idiot-proof.
>>
>> Does anybody know of a way that I can tell whether my script was invoked
>> from the command-line or by double-clicking? (other than checking $0 and
>> trusting that the user will never double-click the script meant for
>> command-line invocation?)
>>
>> Is there any way to package up a perl script (or .bat?) such that input
>> file(s) can be selected with the mouse, and dragged into the icon for the
>> script, so that the script would then run with the (full?) paths to the
>> selected files as its command-line arguments? (This is a mac paradigm,
>> right? I've never seen this on windoze or unix)
>>
>> Also open to other clever ideas you may have to offer...
>>
>> thx,
>>
>> r
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> San-Diego-pm mailing list
>> San-Diego-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm
>>
>
>
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From szabgab at gmail.com  Sat Dec 11 13:00:49 2010
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:00:49 +0200
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] visiting SCALE in LA and introducing PEG in San Diego
Message-ID: <AANLkTimFMHKY6TJk5YLPN4Qf0HR_LYEHvPvpU3=W2e43@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

some of you might have already read about the initiative of
Renee Baecker and myself called Perl Ecosystem Group[1].

In short, we are trying to engage the companies using Perl,
understanding what they are missing from the Perl world,
(so far it was mostly more developers), raising money from them,
promoting Perl and channeling some funds to the Perl community.

I am thinking of visiting SCALE in February and using this opportunity
to visit the "near-by"[2] cities with Perl Mongers but I need your
help for this.

Such visit would be a lot more useful if I can
1) introduce the Perl Ecosystem Group and the TPF events group
? to the local Perl Mongers (e.g. having an regular meeting) where,
? along the other presentations I could talk a few minutes about
? the initiative.

? That would provide an opportunity for people to discuss what we are
? trying to do and see how that can work with the local Perl Mongers.

2) Have meetings at a few Perl using companies in the area.
? ?I had such meeting in Vienna last April and two of the companies I
? ?met there are already member of PEG. Others remained interested.
? ?I think it is important to have such face to face meetings.

The former can be at any non-formal place such as you usual meeting
place or at a pub or whatever you like.

For the latter I'd need your help in building up contacts with managers
(e.g. CTOs, VP RnDs ) of the companies where you work. I'd be glad to
accept any help there.

Please send me e-mail on or off list regarding which companies you
might be able to get me introduced.

regards
?Gabor
[1] Perl Ecosystem Group ? ? ? http://perl-ecosystem.org/
[2] coming from Israel, the whole West Coast of US is near-by to LA :)

--
Gabor Szabo
http://szabgab.com/

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Tue Dec 14 15:12:18 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:12:18 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting on Thursday
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6O0pRpUOib4jiL2A0spMMrJGjq2-9WdvGN8zf@mail.gmail.com>

Perl Mongers,

Our last monthly meeting of the year will be this Thursday at the
offices of Anonymizer.com.  We'll be starting around 7 PM, so come on
by for our normal round of food, drink, conversation, and
enlightenment.  Drop me a note if you intend to come, and we'll look
forward to seeing you.

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Thu Dec 16 12:24:29 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:24:29 -0800
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] December Meeting tonight!
Message-ID: <AANLkTik=6zR4sT_jsDGq-cYXVFuBK02gCC3=pXKwCqoF@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick reminder for everybody, our last monthly meeting of 2010
will be tonight.  We'll be at our normal place, the Anonymizer.com
offices, at our normal time, 7 PM.  Drop me a line if you intend to be
there.  We'll look forward to seeing everyone there.

From cloudcampdave at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 07:25:25 2010
From: cloudcampdave at gmail.com (Dave Nielsen)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:25:25 -0500
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] CloudCamp San Diego
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzYVN3CMe3JfwoCka+Adrus5z9CY_4x4vHeXYx@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Perl Mongers,

I'd like to invite you all to CloudCamp San
Diego<http://www.cloudcamp.org/sandiego>Wednesday evening, February 9
at the San Diego Marriott Mission Valley
(co-located with The Open Group Conference).

CloudCamp is a fun, free way to learn more about Cloud Computing from your
peers in San Diego. CloudCamp is structured as an unconference. End users,
IT professionals and vendors are all encouraged to share experiences,
challenges and solutions. There will be lots of networking, food and
discussion.

Do you have an experience with Cloud Computing that you could share? We
schedule five-minute lightning talks to help ignite discussions. There are
also opportunities to share and discuss during the unconference breakout
sessions. Contact me if you are interested in presenting lightning talk.

For more information, refer to http://www.cloudcamp.org/sandiego
Twitter: @CloudCampSAN <http://twitter.com/CloudCampSAN>,
CloudCamp LinkedIn Group: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=122638

Cheers,
Dave

Dave Nielsen
Co-founder, CloudCamp
twitter: http://twitter.com/davenielsen
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