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From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Tue Apr  6 14:51:43 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:51:43 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Perl question
In-Reply-To: <79F7A6621048EF4680FE4FA12B9F8A5837DB45@swrmcmail2.SWRMC.NAVY.MIL>
References: <79F7A6621048EF4680FE4FA12B9F8A5837DB45@swrmcmail2.SWRMC.NAVY.MIL>
Message-ID: <g2qc58503381004061451h2ca2dca4ke75f7f26ccc7c245@mail.gmail.com>

Norm,

Since I'm not familiar with the process or what environment it runs
in, it's hard to say what is going wrong.  If you're not running in a
persistent environment like mod_perl or FastCGI, then it's probably
unlikely that you're sharing information between two processes.
Explicitly scoping your variables with "my" will probably help.

I'm CC'ing your message to the mailing list in case anybody else has
some ideas which might help your situation.

  -- Bob

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Knupp, Norman C.
<norman.knupp.ctr at swrmc.navy.mil> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I have been seeing an occasional problem with my application. ?It sends out
> event-related e-mails, but once in a while I see instances where a message
> is sent to a recipient for wrong event. ?It is as if two instances of the
> program are running at exactly the same time and sharing global variable
> space. ?Is that possible? ?I'm not explicitly scoping them. ?I'm using a
> hash to store two types of addresses: authenticated and unauthenticated.
> The list of addresses in the authenticated hash gets one message and each
> address in the unauthenticated has gets another message, but both are
> supposed to be for the same event.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Norm Knupp, BAE Systems SDSR
> RMMCO DBA & Webmaster
> https://rmmco.navy.mil
> 619-556-4998 (DSN 312-526-4998)
> norman.knupp.ctr at swrmc.navy.mil or norman.knupp at navy.mil
>

From rlssdpm at schnapp.org  Tue Apr  6 15:03:58 2010
From: rlssdpm at schnapp.org (Russ Schnapp)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:03:58 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Conway talk?
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References: <4BBBAF6D.2@schnapp.org>
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So, is Damian Conway still scheduled to give us a talk on Thursday 
night?  8PM?  Qualcomm Auditorium?

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Tue Apr  6 15:32:25 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:32:25 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Conway talk?
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Russ, and fellow Perl Mongers,

Yes, Damian Conway is scheduled to talk this Thursday evening.  Time
(either 7 PM or 8 PM) and location (somewhere in the Mira Mesa area)
are still being nailed down.  I'm sorry for the delay, I intend to
send out an email as soon as I know.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Russ Schnapp <rlssdpm at schnapp.org> wrote:
> So, is Damian Conway still scheduled to give us a talk on Thursday night?
> ?8PM? ?Qualcomm Auditorium?
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From tkil at scrye.com  Tue Apr  6 19:20:48 2010
From: tkil at scrye.com (Anthony Foiani)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:20:48 -0600
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] mysteriously shared email addresses (was: Re: Perl
	question)
In-Reply-To: <g2qc58503381004061451h2ca2dca4ke75f7f26ccc7c245@mail.gmail.com>
	(Bob Kleemann's message of "Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:51:43 -0700")
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Norm --

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Knupp, Norman C. <norman.knupp.ctr at swrmc.navy.mil> wrote:
> I have been seeing an occasional problem with my application. ?It
> sends out event-related e-mails, but once in a while I see instances
> where a message is sent to a recipient for wrong event. ?It is as if
> two instances of the program are running at exactly the same time
> and sharing global variable space. ?Is that possible? ?I'm not
> explicitly scoping them. ?

As Bob mentioned, if you're running two separate processes, they will
not share information unless you go through some effort for them to do
so.

What might be happening, though, is that your script might use some
sort of global resource in such a way that another process could be
impacting that resource.

In this case, I wonder if your e-mail generating script perhaps writes
temporary files to /tmp or similar?  If those names are not carefully
chosen, I can easily see a situation where process 1 writes a message,
process 2 overwrites it with another message, then process 1 sends the
contents of that file to some address.

Various standard ways of generating tempfile names (or even naked file
descriptors that never even appear in a listing) should fix that.

> I'm using a hash to store two types of addresses: authenticated and
> unauthenticated.  The list of addresses in the authenticated hash
> gets one message and each address in the unauthenticated has gets
> another message, but both are supposed to be for the same event.

Is this a persistent hash, e.g., using one of the DBM modules, or
BerkeleyDB or similar?  If so, that's another place where you could be
accidentally sharing information.

Make sure that your access to any shared resource (/tmp, email
database, etc) is fully protected against unwanted reader/writer
interactions.

Good luck,
t.

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Wed Apr  7 15:22:10 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 15:22:10 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Damian Conway, April 8, 7 PM
Message-ID: <q2uc58503381004071522n5cbca446z85530cbbe8d89339@mail.gmail.com>

Perl Mongers,

Here is what everyone has been waiting for:

Damian Conway is speaking Thursday night, April 8th.  Show up at the
Residence Inn Sorrento Mesa (5995 Pacific Mesa Court, San Diego, CA
92121, Phone (858) 552-9100) and watch him present Twilight Perl
(http://damian.conway.org/Seminars/Twilight.html).  We'll start around
7 PM and laugh and learn all the way through.

All are welcome, RSVPs are appreciated.  Please let me know if there
are any questions.

I look forward to seeing you all soon!

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Wed Apr 14 10:23:03 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:23:03 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Thursday
Message-ID: <v2vc58503381004141023v36e3fb54n8cb5f5e19e94485d@mail.gmail.com>

Perl Mongers!

There is a meeting tomorrow evening, at our normal time and location:
The Anonymizer offices near I-805 and Mira Mesa Blvd at 7 PM.  We're
going to chat about Damian's recent talk "Twilight Perl", Perl 6, and
probably many other topics.  Bring your notes, reviews, thoughts,
ideas, and questions and we'll discuss.

Give me a heads up if you're planning to attend.  I look forward to
seeing you all there.

  -- Bob

From rkleeman at energoncube.net  Sun Apr 18 14:39:40 2010
From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:39:40 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Fwd: Poll: What is the primary operating system you
	use for developing Perl applications?
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Perl Mongers,

Please answer the survey at your convenience.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gabor Szabo
Date: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:46 PM
Subject: Poll: What is the primary operating system you use for developing
Perl applications?

Please take the 5 sec to answer this question on the new poll I setup:

http://perlide.org/poll201004/

and send this request to the other people using Perl in your company.

thanks
  Gabor

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From ruberad at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 20:02:39 2010
From: ruberad at gmail.com (Reuben Settergren)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:02:39 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] San-Diego-pm Digest, Vol 72, Issue 5
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Can I vote for solaris 6 times, and WinXP 4 times, to reflect my approximate
proportion of unix/windoze perl development?

Frankly, some of the biggest advances in my Perl best practice came from
writing Perl scripts that have to run on both platforms.

:-)

r


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>
> Please take the 5 sec to answer this question on the new poll I setup:
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From gautam.dey77 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 06:48:30 2010
From: gautam.dey77 at gmail.com (Gautam Dey)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:48:30 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Damian Conway
Message-ID: <q2m9f662fe01004200648m721cf9edr51801fa095c5f821@mail.gmail.com>

Anyway remember the tip Damian gave for examining what the perl parser
thinks your code looks like?

I can not find my notes on that.

thanks,

Gautam.

From elspicyjack at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 06:56:21 2010
From: elspicyjack at gmail.com (Brian Manning)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:56:21 -0600
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Damian Conway
In-Reply-To: <q2m9f662fe01004200648m721cf9edr51801fa095c5f821@mail.gmail.com>
References: <q2m9f662fe01004200648m721cf9edr51801fa095c5f821@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <u2ib1c182ab1004200656tfc922471u913b4f146504660f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Gautam Dey <gautam.dey77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway remember the tip Damian gave for examining what the perl parser
> thinks your code looks like?
>
> I can not find my notes on that.

IIRC it's B::Deparse

http://perldoc.perl.org/B/Deparse.html

perl -MO=Deparse,-x9

Unfortunately, my notes are in San Diego, and I'm currently in
Boulder, so the above line may not be 100% correct.

Thanks,

Brian

From mark.schoonover at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 07:48:44 2010
From: mark.schoonover at gmail.com (Mark Schoonover)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:48:44 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Damian Conway
In-Reply-To: <u2ib1c182ab1004200656tfc922471u913b4f146504660f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <q2m9f662fe01004200648m721cf9edr51801fa095c5f821@mail.gmail.com>
	<u2ib1c182ab1004200656tfc922471u913b4f146504660f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <n2w125c4f3c1004200748m5431d4c7r93d8e4b9df6728e6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Brian Manning <elspicyjack at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Gautam Dey <gautam.dey77 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Anyway remember the tip Damian gave for examining what the perl parser
> > thinks your code looks like?
> >
> > I can not find my notes on that.
>
> IIRC it's B::Deparse
>
> http://perldoc.perl.org/B/Deparse.html
>
> perl -MO=Deparse,-x9
>
> Unfortunately, my notes are in San Diego, and I'm currently in
> Boulder, so the above line may not be 100% correct.
>


I wrote that little gem down, and it's correct. Well, once you provide the
filename on the end of the command! :)

Mark Schoonover RUSA #5251
http://surlyrando.blogspot.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/markschoonover
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From xrz1138 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 10:43:28 2010
From: xrz1138 at gmail.com (Christopher Hahn)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:43:28 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Damian Conway
In-Reply-To: <n2w125c4f3c1004200748m5431d4c7r93d8e4b9df6728e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <q2m9f662fe01004200648m721cf9edr51801fa095c5f821@mail.gmail.com>
	<u2ib1c182ab1004200656tfc922471u913b4f146504660f@mail.gmail.com>
	<n2w125c4f3c1004200748m5431d4c7r93d8e4b9df6728e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <l2icb4f10f61004201043v334344b0w2cdbebaaf96de11b@mail.gmail.com>

Confirmed!  (you have it right)

(I am still giggling about the Process Table Progress Meter ;0)

2010/4/20 Mark Schoonover <mark.schoonover at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Brian Manning <elspicyjack at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Gautam Dey <gautam.dey77 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Anyway remember the tip Damian gave for examining what the perl parser
>> > thinks your code looks like?
>> >
>> > I can not find my notes on that.
>>
>> IIRC it's B::Deparse
>>
>> http://perldoc.perl.org/B/Deparse.html
>>
>> perl -MO=Deparse,-x9
>>
>> Unfortunately, my notes are in San Diego, and I'm currently in
>> Boulder, so the above line may not be 100% correct.
>
>
> I wrote that little gem down, and it's correct. Well, once you provide the
> filename on the end of the command! :)
>
> Mark Schoonover RUSA #5251
> http://surlyrando.blogspot.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/markschoonover
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From joel at fentin.com  Tue Apr 20 19:44:44 2010
From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:44:44 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] zip map overlay
Message-ID: <4BCE669C.7050903@fentin.com>

Is there anything out there where you give it a zip code (or zip 
codes) and it overlays a color over that/those zip code(s) on 
Google maps?

Anything similar?

perl perl perl

-- 
Joel Fentin       tel: 760-749-8863
Biz Website:      http://fentin.com
Personal Website: http://fentin.com/me

From chris at chrisgrau.com  Wed Apr 21 08:19:08 2010
From: chris at chrisgrau.com (Chris Grau)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:19:08 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] zip map overlay
In-Reply-To: <4BCE669C.7050903@fentin.com>
References: <4BCE669C.7050903@fentin.com>
Message-ID: <20100421151908.GA30743@chrisgrau.com>

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 07:44:44PM -0700, Joel Fentin wrote:
> Is there anything out there where you give it a zip code (or zip
> codes) and it overlays a color over that/those zip code(s) on Google
> maps?
>
> Anything similar?

A quick Google search found me this: http://www.zipmaps.net (I don't
think that's actually irony).

Is that what you were looking for?  I don't think there's any Perl
involved, though.

From joel at fentin.com  Wed Apr 21 08:50:51 2010
From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:50:51 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] zip map overlay
In-Reply-To: <20100421151908.GA30743@chrisgrau.com>
References: <4BCE669C.7050903@fentin.com>
	<20100421151908.GA30743@chrisgrau.com>
Message-ID: <4BCF1EDB.3010606@fentin.com>

Chris Grau wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 07:44:44PM -0700, Joel Fentin wrote:
>> Is there anything out there where you give it a zip code (or zip
>> codes) and it overlays a color over that/those zip code(s) on Google
>> maps?
>>
>> Anything similar?
> 
> A quick Google search found me this: http://www.zipmaps.net (I don't
> think that's actually irony).
> 
> Is that what you were looking for?  I don't think there's any Perl
> involved, though.

Probably not, but I'll take a closer look.

Suppose a particular native plant grows in an area roughly 
corresponding to a few zip codes. Suppose you wish to display a 
map with said area overlaid or highlighted on a web page.

When you are dealing with thousands of plants, something dynamic 
is needed. If something new is understood/discovered about the 
plant one might also change its boundaries.

Thank you for getting back to me.

-- 
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Personal Website: http://fentin.com/me

From chris at chrisgrau.com  Mon Apr 26 09:30:32 2010
From: chris at chrisgrau.com (Chris Grau)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:30:32 -0700
Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Notes - 15 April 2010
Message-ID: <20100426163032.GA17988@chrisgrau.com>

=head1 NAME

SanDiego::Meeting - Meeting of the San Diego Perl Mongers

=head1 DATE

Thursday, 15 April 2010, 19:00 - 21:00

=head1 LOCATION

The offices of Anonymizer, San Diego (Sorrento Valley), Calif., USA

L<http://anonymizer.com/>

Thanks for the use of the room and for the food from Rubio's!

=head1 DESCRIPTION

This is a simple meeting recap, conveniently written in pod so everyone
can read it in whatever format they prefer.  If you lack an appropriate
formatter, well, you can always write one.  As an added bonus, if you're
using a decent MUA *cough*Mutt*cough*, a formatter is only a few
keystrokes away:

    macro pager ,pd "<pipe-message>pod2text<enter>"

=head1 ATTENDEES

April's meeting was sparsely attended.  It was assumed everyone was
still attempting to digest Damian Conway's presentation of I<The
Twilight Perl> last Thursday, which was well attended.

=over

=item * Cathy

=item * Manny

=item * Michelle (Happy Birthday!)

=item * Jeremy (Thanks for hosting)

=item * Chris (Me)

=item * Brian

=back

=head1 TOPICS

=head2 Loading User-Defined Plugin Modules

Manny is working on a plugin system for a Perl-based blogging
application he's hacking on.  He queried the group for advice on how to
implement such a system.  The C<Module::Pluggable> module
L<http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Pluggable/> was recommended as a
solution from the CPAN.

However, this being a Perl Mongers meeting, we had to take the time to
discuss other methods, including how we'd roll our own solution.  For
example, a simple way of adding plugin support would be to implement
something like this:

    for my $module ( glob "$plugin_dir/*.pm" ) {
        do $module;
    }

Plugin authors would place their modules in a known, or configured,
location.  The C<do> statement would evaluate the file, running any code
and defining any packages or subroutines contained in the plugin files.
By using C<do> instead of C<require>, plugin files can be re-read
(without modifying C<%INC>) in running code, such as in a mod_perl
environment.

The Template Toolkit system has a mature and flexible method of defining
and loading plugins L<http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Template::Plugin>,
which is worth evaluating as a potential solution.  Plugins inherit from
a common class and may be located anywhere within the C<@INC> search
path.  The trade off is that the developer or user must explicitly load
each plugin before it can be used; however, for Template Toolkit, this
is a desirable behavior.

=head2 I<The Twilight Perl>

I spent about half the meeting reviewing each of the concepts presented
in Damian Conway's I<The Twilight Perl>
L<http://damian.conway.org/Seminars/Twilight.html> last week.  This was
a fun review for those who attended the presentation.  However, for
those who weren't able to attend, I did not do it justice.

While I have decent notes from the presentation, posting them to the
list begins to border on plagiarism.  However, I'll be more than happy
to discuss each concept at future meetings or in the IRC channel
(#SanDiego.pm on Freenode).

=head1 NEXT MEETING

Thursday, 20 May 2010, 19:00 - 21:00

Tentatively planned is a presentation on and demonstration of the
awesome new features found in Perl 6 using Rakudo.

=cut