From rkleeman at energoncube.net Fri Jan 7 15:17:18 2005 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Fri Jan 7 16:17:33 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Test Message-ID: <20050107231718.GD2324@energoncube.net> *Tap* *Tap* *Tap* Is this thing on? From rkleeman at energoncube.net Fri Jan 7 16:24:32 2005 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Fri Jan 7 16:24:39 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Test In-Reply-To: <20050107231718.GD2324@energoncube.net> References: <20050107231718.GD2324@energoncube.net> Message-ID: <20050108002432.GF2324@energoncube.net> On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 03:17:18PM -0800, Bob Kleemann wrote: > *Tap* *Tap* *Tap* > > Is this thing on? Hey, it looks like it is! In case anyone has tried to post to the list recently, there has been a few issues with servers moving that prevented posts to the mailing list for a little while. It appears to be fixed now. Just a reminder, there is a meeting next week at our new time and new location: Monday, 7PM, at Panera Bread off of Mira Mesa Blvd and I-15. Let me know if you need any assistance getting there. I'll see you on Monday! From schoon at amgt.com Fri Jan 7 16:25:27 2005 From: schoon at amgt.com (Mark Schoonover) Date: Fri Jan 7 16:28:10 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Test Message-ID: Bob Kleemann scribbled on Friday, January 07, 2005 3:17 PM: > *Tap* *Tap* *Tap* > > Is this thing on? Would you be careful - you poked me in the eye! .mark From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Jan 10 11:58:11 2005 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Mon Jan 10 11:58:24 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Meeting Tonight! Message-ID: <20050110195811.GB2516@energoncube.net> Just a reminder folks, there is a meeting tonight at our new location, Panera Bread on Mira Mesa Blvd. Let me know if you need any help getting there. I'll see everyone at 7PM! From joel at fentin.com Mon Jan 10 22:46:20 2005 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Mon Jan 10 22:49:22 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use Message-ID: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> At the meeting tonight I learned that I could take my x.pl package and rename it x.pm. Thus in the main module, I can say: use x; instead of require 'x.pl'; I am running into a problem where x.pm is one directory from some (not all) of my main modules. With x.pl, I can say: require '../x.pl'; I have not figured out how to say the same thing with x.pm. I've tried several combinations and have looked it up. I need the relative addressing. What does it want? -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 Email me: http://fentin.com/me/ContactMe.html Biz Website: http://fentin.com Personal Website: http://fentin.com/me From cabney at ucsd.edu Tue Jan 11 01:53:13 2005 From: cabney at ucsd.edu (C. Abney) Date: Tue Jan 11 01:52:11 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use In-Reply-To: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> References: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> Message-ID: <1105437192.6335.1.camel@vespa.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 22:46, Joel Fentin wrote: > At the meeting tonight I learned that I could take my x.pl package and > rename it x.pm. Thus in the main module, I can say: > use x; instead of require 'x.pl'; > > I am running into a problem where x.pm is one directory from some (not > all) of my main modules. With x.pl, I can say: > require '../x.pl'; > > I have not figured out how to say the same thing with x.pm. I've tried > several combinations and have looked it up. I need the relative addressing. > > What does it want? It wants you to read ``perldoc perlfaq8'', and learn about @INC. From schoon at amgt.com Tue Jan 11 06:49:14 2005 From: schoon at amgt.com (Mark Schoonover) Date: Tue Jan 11 06:52:04 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use Message-ID: Joel Fentin wrote: > At the meeting tonight I learned that I could take my x.pl package and > rename it x.pm. Thus in the main module, I can say: > use x; instead of require 'x.pl'; > > I am running into a problem where x.pm is one directory from some (not > all) of my main modules. With x.pl, I can say: > require '../x.pl'; > > I have not figured out how to say the same thing with x.pm. I've tried > several combinations and have looked it up. I need the relative > addressing. > > What does it want? Probably use lib qw(..) ?? Would be my guess... .mark From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jan 11 08:40:30 2005 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Jan 11 08:40:39 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use In-Reply-To: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> References: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> Message-ID: <86llazvs01.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Fentin writes: Joel> require '../x.pl'; Are you aware that this depends on the current directory of the process (and @INC), and has nothing to do with with the location of the file in which it appears? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From chris_radcliff at mac.com Tue Jan 11 08:07:01 2005 From: chris_radcliff at mac.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Tue Jan 11 08:59:27 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use In-Reply-To: <1105437192.6335.1.camel@vespa.localdomain> References: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> <1105437192.6335.1.camel@vespa.localdomain> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2005, at 1:53 AM, C. Abney wrote: > On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 22:46, Joel Fentin wrote: >> With x.pl, I can say: >> require '../x.pl'; >> >> I have not figured out how to say the same thing with x.pm. I've tried >> several combinations and have looked it up. I need the relative >> addressing. >> >> What does it want? > > It wants you to read ``perldoc perlfaq8'', and learn about @INC. Then, armed with that knowledge, look into the lib module: use lib qw(..); use x; Be sure to get comfortable with @LIB *first* to avoid unintended side effects. ~chris From joel at fentin.com Tue Jan 11 09:31:13 2005 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Tue Jan 11 09:30:43 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E40D61.3080306@fentin.com> Christopher Hahn wrote: > Try: > > use lib "\\\\server\\sharename\dir" > > Where the last argument is the folder in which the other modules live. Thank you all for the suggestions. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 Email me: http://fentin.com/me/ContactMe.html Biz Website: http://fentin.com Personal Website: http://fentin.com/me From billdav at cox.net Tue Jan 11 10:23:44 2005 From: billdav at cox.net (Bill Davidson) Date: Tue Jan 11 10:23:54 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use In-Reply-To: References: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> <1105437192.6335.1.camel@vespa.localdomain> Message-ID: <41E419B0.1020403@cox.net> Chris Radcliff wrote: > Then, armed with that knowledge, look into the lib module: > > use lib qw(..); > use x; Actually, it perlfaq8 gives a basic description of the lib module; enough to know what to do? > Be sure to get comfortable with @LIB *first* to avoid unintended side > effects. I can't find a reference to @LIB. I know about the environment variables PERLLIB and PERL5LIB (perlrun) I know about the -I option to perl (perlrun) I know about 'use lib' (pragmas/lib) I know about "BEGIN { unshift(@INC, 'x'); }" or "BEGIN { push(@INC, 'x'); }" (perlvar||pragmas/lib) What is @LIB? --Bill Davidson From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Jan 11 11:59:42 2005 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Tue Jan 11 11:59:50 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Next Month's meeting Message-ID: <20050111195942.GA25724@energoncube.net> Perl Mongers, We had a good turnout last night and some interesting discussion. One topic for further discussion is the date of next month's meeting. We will normally meet on the second Monday of the month, but in February that lands on February 14th, Valentines day. I'm guessing a fair number of us are going to be occupied, so I'd like to see what other dates will work for people. So if you're intending to come to the meeting next month, which date do you think will work out best for you? At the meeting I heard some people mention that February 7th would work out, and others indicated February 17th. Let me know what works out best (or what would be the worst), and I'll tabulate the votes and get a date chosen very soon. From chris_radcliff at mac.com Tue Jan 11 12:37:58 2005 From: chris_radcliff at mac.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Tue Jan 11 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use In-Reply-To: <41E419B0.1020403@cox.net> References: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> <1105437192.6335.1.camel@vespa.localdomain> <41E419B0.1020403@cox.net> Message-ID: That's what I get for answering e-mail before I've had tea... I meant to write @INC, not @LIB. ~c On Jan 11, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Bill Davidson wrote: > Chris Radcliff wrote: >> Then, armed with that knowledge, look into the lib module: >> use lib qw(..); >> use x; > > Actually, it perlfaq8 gives a basic description of the lib module; > enough to know what to do? > >> Be sure to get comfortable with @LIB *first* to avoid unintended side >> effects. > > I can't find a reference to @LIB. > > I know about the environment variables PERLLIB and PERL5LIB (perlrun) > I know about the -I option to perl (perlrun) > I know about 'use lib' (pragmas/lib) > I know about "BEGIN { unshift(@INC, 'x'); }" > or "BEGIN { push(@INC, 'x'); }" (perlvar||pragmas/lib) > > What is @LIB? From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jan 11 12:52:52 2005 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue Jan 11 12:53:04 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Next Month's meeting In-Reply-To: <20050111195942.GA25724@energoncube.net> References: <20050111195942.GA25724@energoncube.net> Message-ID: <86llazeli3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: Bob> We had a good turnout last night and some interesting discussion. One Bob> topic for further discussion is the date of next month's meeting. We Bob> will normally meet on the second Monday of the month, but in February Bob> that lands on February 14th, Valentines day. I'm guessing a fair number Bob> of us are going to be occupied, so I'd like to see what other dates will Bob> work for people. Geeks, busy on Valentine's day? I would have thought that to be the most free day of the year. :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From cabney at ucsd.edu Tue Jan 11 13:55:18 2005 From: cabney at ucsd.edu (C. Abney) Date: Tue Jan 11 13:53:37 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Use In-Reply-To: References: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> <1105437192.6335.1.camel@vespa.localdomain> Message-ID: <1105480517.6335.4.camel@vespa.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 08:07, Chris Radcliff wrote: > On Jan 11, 2005, at 1:53 AM, C. Abney wrote: > > > On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 22:46, Joel Fentin wrote: [schibble] > >> What does it want? > > > > It wants you to read ``perldoc perlfaq8'', and learn about @INC. > > Then, armed with that knowledge, look into the lib module: > > use lib qw(..); > use x; > > Be sure to get comfortable with @LIB *first* to avoid unintended side > effects. Good one! Thanks for the tip... @LIB was in my widkidk space. From thierryv at abac.com Tue Jan 11 14:17:36 2005 From: thierryv at abac.com (Thierry de Villeneuve) Date: Tue Jan 11 14:17:45 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] FAQchest In-Reply-To: <1105480517.6335.4.camel@vespa.localdomain> References: <41E3763C.4060102@fentin.com> <1105437192.6335.1.camel@vespa.localdomain> <1105480517.6335.4.camel@vespa.localdomain> Message-ID: <992933B0-641E-11D9-BD31-000393932C94@abac.com> Dear San Diego PERL Mongers Some may remember of this French SD PERL Monger, unfortunately having to leave SD in mid 2002. I hope all of you are doing well and I wish you a happy new year. I have been archiving SDPM mailing on www.faqchest.com. 2004 was not a great year. My generous donator of a server and bandwidth had to shut down his operations for two month around summer. fAQchest got out at this time. I've been so exited when he called me he was back in business. Bad things happened later when the main - and only - drive of FAQchest demonstrated critical weaknesses (I've setup smartmond). We shut FAQchest down once again, the time to rebuild it with this time RAID 5. We hope we can recover all areas of the failing drive. I don't have back up of the 2003 and 2004 years. In the meantime, I'm not loosing one post of the SDPM mailing list. It's archived on another system. The feed is luckily on another domain - at a local SD ISP. I'll keep you posted on when the archives will be available again on FAQchest. Soon, I hope. Best regards, Thierry -- === eom ============================================================= Thierry de Villeneuve Aix-En-Provence http://www.faqchest.com/ mailto:thierryv -at- abac.com From glim at mycybernet.net Mon Jan 24 17:46:00 2005 From: glim at mycybernet.net (glim@mycybernet.net) Date: Mon Jan 24 17:45:51 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Yet Another Perl Conference North America 2005 announces call-for-papers Message-ID: YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) has just released its call-for-papers; potential and aspiring speakers can submit a presentation proposal via: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml The dates of the conference are Monday - Wednesday 27-29 June 2005. The location will be in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Note that a different date block was previously announced, but has been moved to accomodate venue availability.) The close of the call-for-papers is April 18, 2005 at 11:59 pm. If you have any questions regarding the call-for-papers or speaking at YAPC::NA 2005 please email na-author@yapc.org We would love to hear from potential sponsors. Please contact the organizers at na-sponsor@yapc.org to learn about the benefits of sponsorship. Other information regarding the conference (e.g. venue, registration specifics) will be announced soon. We look forward to your submissions and a great conference! From billdav at cox.net Sun Jan 30 23:10:27 2005 From: billdav at cox.net (Bill Davidson) Date: Sun Jan 30 23:10:53 2005 Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Regular Expressions: zero-width negative look-behind assertion Message-ID: <41FDD9E3.6040308@cox.net> I'd like to use a zero-width negative look-behind assertion for something I'm working on. Unfortunately, for some reason, the implementers of Perl's RE engine decided that it should only be able to do a fixed width look-behind. I'd like to do this: if ( $myvar =~ /(? References: <41FDD9E3.6040308@cox.net> Message-ID: <41FE8E16.4050208@cox.net> Bill Davidson wrote: > I'd like to use a zero-width negative look-behind assertion for something > I'm working on. Unfortunately, for some reason, the implementers of > Perl's RE engine decided that it should only be able to do a fixed width > look-behind. > > I'd like to do this: > > if ( $myvar =~ /(?