From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Feb 2 13:25:14 2004 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:53 2004 Subject: Conferences, Meetings, and Other Stuff Message-ID: <20040202192514.GA31968@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Hey Mongers, A couple of quick things to note. First off, the Portland Perl Mongers have offered us a free ticket to the Emerging Technologies Conference here in town in next week (http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech). If you're interested in winning a free entry, and you can go, write up a short blurb on why I think you should get the tickets, send it to me, and I'll pick the best one and get the ball rolling on that real soon. Entries need to get to me before 3PM on Tuesday, Feb 3. The winner will be chosen soon after that. Also, there is a meeting on Tue, Feb 17. We will likely be conversing eating, and drinking at our normal location, Callahan's. I'll send out another reminder in the near future. That's about all for right now. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at fentin.com Mon Feb 2 20:13:59 2004 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:53 2004 Subject: Conferences, Meetings, and Other Stuff In-Reply-To: <20040202192514.GA31968@energoncube.net> References: <20040202192514.GA31968@energoncube.net> Message-ID: <401F03E7.6010706@fentin.com> ~sdpm~ Bob Kleemann wrote: > ~sdpm~ > Hey Mongers, > > A couple of quick things to note. First off, the Portland Perl Mongers > have offered us a free ticket to the Emerging Technologies Conference > here in town in next week (http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech). If > you're interested in winning a free entry, and you can go, write up a > short blurb on why I think you should get the tickets, send it to me, and > I'll pick the best one and get the ball rolling on that real soon. Entries > need to get to me before 3PM on Tuesday, Feb 3. The winner will be chosen > soon after that. I presume this offer is open to members. According to our website, there are only three. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com Biz: http://fentin.com Personal: http://fentin.com/me/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Wed Feb 4 16:37:46 2004 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:53 2004 Subject: Conferences, Meetings, and Other Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040204223746.GB25284@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Folks, I have some good news and better news. The good news is that if you have interest in going to the conference, the opportunity is still available. The better news is that if you're worried about there not being enough passes, I have also gotten three more passes. That's four passes total, one for the "Emerging Technology Conference Sessions" and three for the "Digital Democracy Teach-In". If you need some more info, take a look here at the conference website: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech/ So please let me know if you are interested! If no one is, I'll have to pass these on to some of the suits at my work! ;-) Also, like Joel mentioned, the sign-up for becoming a member of the San Diego Perl Mongers and having your information up for all the other members to see has been made easier. Go to http://SanDiego.pm.org and click on "Members" to create a personalized profile for yourself. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kleemann [mailto:rkleeman@energoncube.net] > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:25 AM > To: Perl Mongers > Subject: Conferences, Meetings, and Other Stuff > > > ~sdpm~ > Hey Mongers, > > A couple of quick things to note. First off, the Portland Perl Mongers > have offered us a free ticket to the Emerging Technologies Conference > here in town in next week (http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech). If > you're interested in winning a free entry, and you can go, write up a > short blurb on why I think you should get the tickets, send it to me, and > I'll pick the best one and get the ball rolling on that real soon. Entries > need to get to me before 3PM on Tuesday, Feb 3. The winner will be chosen > soon after that. > > Also, there is a meeting on Tue, Feb 17. We will likely be conversing > eating, and drinking at our normal location, Callahan's. I'll send out > another reminder in the near future. > > That's about all for right now. > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at ucsd.edu Fri Feb 6 13:33:44 2004 From: cabney at ucsd.edu (C. Abney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:53 2004 Subject: cardinal golf Message-ID: <1076096024.1306.187.camel@vespa> perl -le 'for(1..25){($b,$c)=reverse split//;print$_,($b==1&&$c!=1?"st":$b==2&&$c!=1?"nd":$b==3&&$c!=1?"rd":"th")}' Best I could do in a half hour (just for fun). -- Charles Abney Polymorphism Research Laboratory, 0603 UCSD School of Medicine 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla, CA 92093-0603 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/san-diego-pm/attachments/20040206/e44932d8/attachment.bin From cabney at ucsd.edu Fri Feb 6 14:17:29 2004 From: cabney at ucsd.edu (C. Abney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:53 2004 Subject: cardinal golf In-Reply-To: <1076096024.1306.187.camel@vespa> References: <1076096024.1306.187.camel@vespa> Message-ID: <1076098649.1306.214.camel@vespa> shoot. perl -le 'for(1..125){($b,$c)=reverse split//;print$_,($c!=1?($b==1?"st":$b==2?"nd":$b==3?"rd":"th"):"th")}' On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 11:33, C. Abney wrote: > perl -le 'for(1..25){($b,$c)=reverse > split//;print$_,($b==1&&$c!=1?"st":$b==2&&$c!=1?"nd":$b==3&&$c!=1?"rd":"th")}' > > Best I could do in a half hour (just for fun). > > -- > Charles Abney > Polymorphism Research Laboratory, 0603 > UCSD School of Medicine > 9500 Gilman Dr. > La Jolla, CA 92093-0603 -- Charles Abney Polymorphism Research Laboratory, 0603 UCSD School of Medicine 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla, CA 92093-0603 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/san-diego-pm/attachments/20040206/fb712e97/attachment.bin From tkil-sdpm at scrye.com Fri Feb 6 19:31:10 2004 From: tkil-sdpm at scrye.com (Tkil) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:53 2004 Subject: cardinal golf In-Reply-To: <1076098649.1306.214.camel@vespa> (C. Abney's message of "06 Feb 2004 12:17:29 -0800") References: <1076096024.1306.187.camel@vespa> <1076098649.1306.214.camel@vespa> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Charles" == C Abney writes: | perl -le 'for(1..125){($b,$c)=reverse split//; | print$_,($c!=1?($b==1?"st":$b==2?"nd":$b==3?"rd":"th"):"th")}' Hm. I don't think I saw the rules, but I imagine it has to do with how tightly you can write cardinal suffixes? On a command line that many characters long. My current record is 61 total characters (including "perl" and the closing single tick). Skip to the bottom to see my solution, although I left the trail I followed here (including a false start; those are marked "wrong".) How about: # oops, this is wrong perl -le '@x=(qw(th st nd rd),("th")x6);for(1..70){print$_,$x[$_%10]}' Similar idea, but with strings: # this one too perl -le '$x="thstndrdthththththth";for(1..75){print$_,substr$x,$_%10*2,2}' And even further: # still wrong. perl -le '$x="thstndrd"."th"x6;for(1..70){print$_,substr$x,$_%10*2,2}' Back to 70 characters. Ok, screw efficiency and use a goofy loop construct as well: # yup, still wrong. perl -le 'print$_,substr"thstndrd"."th"x6,$_%10*2,2 for 1..62' Ah, I missed the 'teens. perl -le 'print$_,/1.$/?"th":substr"thstndrd"."th"x6,$_%10*2,2 for 1..73' And just to squeeze two more characters out: perl -le'print$_,/1.$/?"th":substr"thstndrd"."th"x6,$_%10*2,2for 1..71' This is getting gross. Let's move that conditional in: perl -le'print$_,substr"thstndrd"."th"x6,/1.$/?0:$_%10*2,2for 1..68' And maybe something other than ?:... perl -le'print$_,substr"thstndrd"."th"x6,!/1.$/*$_%10*2,2for 1..67' Same thing if we go back to arrays: perl -le'print$_,(qw(th st nd rd),("th")x6)[!/1.$/*$_%10]for 1..67' Ha. To make sure that I've grovelled as low as I'm willing to go, let's use barewords! perl -le'print$_,(th,st,nd,rd,(th)x6)[!/1.$/*$_%10]for 1..61' Ok, I think I'm done. Thanks for the fun. Also about 20 minutes, here. :) t. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From tkil-sdpm at scrye.com Fri Feb 6 19:42:20 2004 From: tkil-sdpm at scrye.com (Tkil) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:53 2004 Subject: cardinal golf In-Reply-To: References: <1076096024.1306.187.camel@vespa> <1076098649.1306.214.camel@vespa> Message-ID: <16420.17020.241036.963833@brand.scrye.com> ~sdpm~ Hm. I don't know if it was an intentional trick question or not, but the previous article had to do with *ordinal* numbers: first, second, third, etc. If it was intentional -- good job, you got me hook line and sinker. "Good one, Centurion!" The shortest command line that will print out the *cardinal* numbers is thus something like this: perl -le'print for 1..25' More detail than you are likely to ever need: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/OrdinalNumber.html http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CardinalNumber.html t. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at ucsd.edu Mon Feb 9 14:37:29 2004 From: cabney at ucsd.edu (C. Abney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:54 2004 Subject: cardinal golf In-Reply-To: References: <1076096024.1306.187.camel@vespa> <1076098649.1306.214.camel@vespa> Message-ID: <1076359049.1208.32.camel@vespa> On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 17:31, Tkil wrote: > Ok, screw efficiency and use a goofy loop construct as well [big snip on cool process] hmm, could one construct a set of golf rules favoring performance over brevity? Would it still be golf? Yours, Charles -- Charles Abney Polymorphism Research Laboratory, 0603 UCSD School of Medicine 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla, CA 92093-0603 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One could modify the rules so that execution time efficiency were figured in, perhaps even including memory footprint efficiency. The weighting of these different factors is up to you, however. Not sure I care enough to indulge in this, though. :) You can see what happens when one tries to benchmark various different styles of solutions, even to "toy" problems like this: http://slinky.scrye.com/~tkil/perl/bit-count Regarding how to measure a combination of attributes (efficiency, cleverness, smallness, etc), consider this metric developed primarily for visual hacks: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/D/display-hack.html t. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Feb 16 23:56:01 2004 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:54 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040216161500.00e28cd8@pop-server.san.rr.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20040216161500.00e28cd8@pop-server.san.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040217055601.GA16801@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Vicki, I don't exactly know where you can find the book right now, but some things to check: San Diego Technical Books (http://www.booksmatter.com/) generally has most of the O'Reilly series; some of the larger bookstores sometimes have the more popular books in the O'Reilly series, including Learning Perl; there are probably some other ideas that the rest of the San Diego Perl Mongers have some other ideas to help you. On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 04:15:00PM -0800, Vicki Reece wrote: > Dear Bob, > > I have until Thursday morning to read the first 4 chapters of O'Reilly's > "Learning Perl" (3rd edition?). I'm having some trouble locating a copy of > the book. Can you help me please? > > Vicki Reece > 858-581-6311 > vicki@san.rr.com > Reece ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From bruce at brtnet.org Tue Feb 17 00:05:34 2004 From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:54 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers In-Reply-To: <20040217055601.GA16801@energoncube.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20040216161500.00e28cd8@pop-server.san.rr.com> <20040217055601.GA16801@energoncube.net> Message-ID: <4031AF2E.1020101@brtnet.org> ~sdpm~ > I don't exactly know where you can find the book right now, but > some things to check: San Diego Technical Books > (http://www.booksmatter.com/) generally has most of the O'Reilly > series; some of the larger bookstores sometimes have the more > popular books in the O'Reilly series, including Learning Perl; > there are probably some other ideas that the rest of the San Diego > Perl Mongers have some other ideas to help you. Don't forget about Safari. You can read all the O'Reilly books online through their website. They are even having a 2 week free trial period right now... http://safari.oreilly.com/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Feb 17 12:29:47 2004 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:54 2004 Subject: Meeting Tonight! Message-ID: <20040217182947.GC12499@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Perl Mongers, There is a meeting tonight! 7PM at Callahan's in Mira Mesa we will gather to come and talk about Perl issues, The Emerging Technologies Conference, and any other topics that come up. If you are planning to come, please RSVP to me. If you need directions or other help getting to the restaurant, please let me know. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chung at scripps.edu Tue Feb 17 17:17:19 2004 From: chung at scripps.edu (John Chung) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:54 2004 Subject: digital democracy teach-in 'report' Message-ID: <200402172317.PAA05035@lentil.scripps.edu> ~sdpm~ hello Perl mongers i was at the digital democracy teach-in last week (and was promptly sick for a week afterwards which explains my lack of comments or review of what i saw there). my thanks to Bob and everyone who got me the ticket to get in at the oreilly conference. here is my not-so-brief review of what i thought of the teach-in. this i'm sure is of no interest to the perl programmer in you, but if politics mildly interests you, feel free to read on. --- of the all-day sessions there, i only sat through 3 of them. this was partly because my interests in the event was less political and more from the 'geek' angle, and i was somewhat disappointed to see that even the ones that i attended were somewhat too political in a very overtly biased way for my tastes. 1) i skipped the entire Joe Trippi session since i'd heard that his cut of the role as Dean digital campaign manager was like $7 million (out of the $41 mil). 2) this session had 2 speakers in one: Jonah Seiger from institute for politics, democracy and the internet www.ipdi.org and Scott Heiferman CEO of meetup.com Seiger's entire presentation can be downloaded from: http://www.ipdi.org/influentials/influential.htm and was fairly insightful, i thought. he defined what Online Political Citizens (OPC) were and told us that something like 7% of the US population can be considered an OPC by their profile. he enumerated what their profile looks like (highly educated, white, male, etc.) and went onto describe what he called an 'influential' person (1 / 10 in general public), where a very large percentage of the OPC's were, in fact, also influentials (not surprisingly). the talk by the meetup.com person was largely a slideshow of various people and animals meeting up thru meetup.com and some hopeful statements of how the internet perhaps can actually help reverse the effects of breakdown of various communities in this country in recent years. he spoke of the need and the inevitability of people to get together with others of similar interests or backgrounds. 3) Effective Political Blogging with Doc Searls Cameron Barrett Mitch Ratcliffe Halley Suitt and a one more person whose name wasn't identified in the handout. this was the worst session i thought because the lady named Halley had nothing to contribute except her anti-Cheney remarks and didn't really belong there. i thought they might be dealing with the geek side of blogging, and political bloggin in particular, but this was not the case; even the one question asked by an audience member along those lines was pretty much dismissed with a, 'no, there's nothing special about political blogging as far as bloggin goes' reply. Mitch Ratcliffe, i thought had the most objective and detached perspective among them (quoting the likes of Alexis de Tocqville in the 19th century) on the role of blogs and new media thru internet in general (he's been with a company which had to shell out alot of money just to buy a seat on the AirForce-1 during the previous administration; and he told an interesting anecdote which told of the difficult situation for journalist types where unless there is some 'selling out' to the presidential administration in power to get access in the first place, there is no access, period -- though he didn't mention it, i thought the situation with CNN looking the other way or even endorsing the Hussein administration atrocities in order to have a Baghdad bureau presence was an example that came to my mind). question and answers from this session were quite eye- opening for me; more on this in the next session comment. 4) The Grassroots Challenges the Jouralist Priesthood with Dan Gillmor, Jeff Jarvis, Jay Rosen (one other) this was a pretty informative session which was mostly wide-open panel discussions and numerous questions from the audience (most of whom seemed to have something to sell themselves). --------- basically, there was nothing 'geek' about this entire teach-in. it was mostly political. from the Q & A from all the sessions, here are some summary points that i can summarize: A. many of the people there had carried sincerely high hopes with the Dean campaign and were visibly agitated and disappointed at the recent demise/collapse of what they thought might bring real revolution in american politics. still there was still much excitement and residual hopes that the messenger's shortcomings this time around is not as important as the message itself (the message in this instance being that the voice of 'the people' will be heard and must be reckoned with). B. in light of the failure (a rather dismal one actually) and the discrepancy between the online efforts to raise money, awareness and the actual conversion of the likely joe-average (not an OPC) voter to go out and vote in a way reflective of the seeming online 'revolution', many questions were directed to try and figure out how to actually bridge this gap. (as a side-note this aspect reminded me of the scientific elite in this country who are baffled at what they view as the continued mindless acceptance by the general public of the basic biblically based, creationist worldviews even after many years of active efforts from the evolutionary framework at all levels of public education.) there were quite a few people who got up and asked questions and also made comments about how he/she and their organizations are in fact, energized by the recent events, doing this or that to try and bring about the nitty gritty changes that need to happen in order to see harnessing of this 'digital' medium to desired ends. however there was no consensus of any kind on where to go from here; mostly vague outlines of where they'd like to see continued changes happening. partly, this was due to realization that while the internet has given everyone an equivalent of a 5 MWatt radio transmitter which can bypass any normal peer-review or filtration process, to be able to transmit or publish content of enough interest and persuasive power necessary for political changes one still requires somewhat insider or professional status to penetrate the spheres of these people of influence in the first place. i felt that i perceived a frustration on the part of some of these 'revolutionary'-minded people when this point was driven home by some of the speakers. 'education' was brought up by at least a couple of people in the audience and agreed by the panel discussion members as the most powerful and still the most important way to effect real changes for whatever vision we all have for this country. C. there was also ambivalence on the part of the speakers and the audience whether to treat the political process as a horse race (as the current 2-party presidential race is being portrayed by the media) or whether the internet has opened up new rules and obligations to make it less of a horse race and more as the tool for genuine and objective education of the masses in the sense of, oh, say a Jeffersonian vision, perhaps. i sensed that like everything else in life, people are already accepting the pragmatic realities of one without totally giving up the hopes and ideals of the other. ------------ then i realized i'd been there over 4 hours already, and horton plaza is free parking for upto 3 hrs with a validation from a store, so i decided i'd heard enough and paid my $6 parking fee and went home. thanks again for the free ticket; i'd like to go to more of these types of things whenever possible. nice change of pace. john chung the scripps research institute ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joe at artlung.com Tue Feb 24 15:31:10 2004 From: joe at artlung.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:54 2004 Subject: FWD: SDCFUG - March Mingle at Dave and Busters Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Hey all: Cameron Childress and the CFUG for San Diego have been busy bees working on a great event for March - totally social, totally tech-neutral. I'm marking a big red "X" on my calendar for this one -- so with luck this will be really cool. You probably know me as the list-mom for http://WebSanDiego.org - and to the extent I can speak for that smart rabble, WebSanDiego is behind this event 1000%. We've been doing events since 1999 at WebSanDiego, and have been using the meetups of late, but here's a real social/technical event that has a chance to be major. Below is Cameron's summary for the event. Mark it well! - Joe Crawford http://WebSanDiego.org List Owner http://joecrawford.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Join the San Diego ColdFusion User Group (sdcfug.org), the San Diego Macromedia User Group (sdmmug.org), and other local User Groups for the first annual March Mingle! This event will replace our usual monthly technical presentation for March. When: Wednesday, March 10th, 6:00PM - 9:00PM (NOTE DATE CHANGE) Where: Dave and Busters (map @ sdcfug.org) Cost: Free Pool and Finger Food (Cash Bar) RSVP: rsvp@sdcfug.org More Info: http://www.sdcfug.org We'd like to make this a technology agnostic event that brings together developers of all kinds, a sort of annual "Technology Woodstock" or "Ultimate Geek Happy Hour" for San Diego. To this end, we have gathered together a few sponsors and rented out a private gameroom at Dave and Busters. To kick things off this year, some folks from Macromedia San Diego (formerly eHelp) will be joining us at the event. No sales or technical presentations, just talking shop and munching on finger food while relaxing and enjoying the games and atmosphere. Oh, and did we mention we will have door prizes including books and software? -------- SPONSORS :: Macromedia :: Macromedia User Groups represent a large portion of the very vibrant and active Macromedia customer community. Macromedia recognizes over 300 world wide user groups who provide a forum of support and technology to Web professionals of all levels and professions. Macromedia User Groups strengthen community, increase networking, unveil the latest technology innovations, and reveal the techniques that turn novices into experts, and experts into gurus. 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From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Feb 24 16:16:13 2004 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:54 2004 Subject: Conference Wrap-ups Message-ID: <20040224221613.GD7077@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ I got this from O'Reilly and thought I'd pass it on. ***O'Reilly's Digital Democracy Teach-In This year's O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference began with an impressive set of tutorials. But you also had the option to spend the first day of the conference at the Digital Democracy Teach-In, learning how to take back control of a different sort of operating system. Daniel Steinberg reports on sessions by Joe Trippi, former campaign manager for Howard Dean; Wes Boyd, co-founder of MoveOn.org; Scott Heiferman, co-founder and CEO of Meetup.com; and many more. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2004/02/10/digdemo.html ***Annotating Everything: Marc A. Smith at ETech Daniel Steinberg reports from O'Reilly's Emerging Technology Conference with an in-depth look at Marc A. Smith's session "Catalyzing Collective Action on the Net." Marc demonstrated several tools that show promise as ways to enhance online communities. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2004/02/11/etech_keynotes.html Find complete news coverage, the conference wiki, weblogs, photos, and much more on O'Reilly Network's ETech 2004 Conference Coverage page: http://www.oreillynet.com/et2004/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . 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