From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Jun 2 19:22:19 2003 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Meeting this month Message-ID: <20030603002219.GA3562@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Hey everybody, Just a reminder that there is a meeting this month on June 17. Once again, location is currently undetermined (if you know of some place, please let me know), but until you hear otherwise, assume it is at the same location: The food court at UTC. Also, don't forget that the day after the meeting, there is a meet up with tilly all the way up in Santa Ana. Doug should have the details about that. I'll send out a reminder again in a couple of weeks. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From dgwilson1 at cox.net Tue Jun 3 00:35:41 2003 From: dgwilson1 at cox.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Reminder: Social Meeting this month Message-ID: <001901c32991$f999aa60$e93a0544@oc.cox.net> ~sdpm~ This is a reminder that a social monger meeting is planned for this month, and Ben Tilly, visiting perl guy from NYC, is planning to come also. Here are the details: Time: Wednesday, June 18th 7pm Place: The Olde Ship British Pub & Restaurant 1120 W 17th St Santa Ana, California 714-550-6700 tel 714-441-1449 fax www.theoldeship.com Directions: Take I-5 to Santa Ana Exit 17th St. Turn Left (Go West) past Main St. It'll be on the left, but go to Bristol, make a U-turn and its on the right. Dinners are just under to just over $10 (Good food, good drink!) Let me know if you plan on coming so I can make reservations (or just show up!). I know its an hour or two drive for alot of you (I used to make that drive every day), but come on up if you can. Bring a significant other (or whomever else) and make a date of it if you want to, or just carpool; like I said, the food is good. If you happen to show up early to the area, and need to waste some time, there's a mall a few blocks north on Main Street (Main Place, see mapquest.com), or thrift shops a few blocks south in downtown Santa Ana. See ya there :-) ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at fentin.com Tue Jun 3 00:56:47 2003 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Question Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> ~sdpm~ Is there a way to run a program in the computer from the server? For example. Joe Sixpack has a perl script (http://www.xxx.com/cgi-bin/xxx.pl) in the location window of his browser. As the perl script executes, one of it's jobs is to run an .exe (or some other) program in Mr. Sixpack's computer. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com biz: http://fentin.com personal: http://fentin.com/me/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Jun 3 02:00:42 2003 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> References: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> Message-ID: <20030603070042.GA10598@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ The answer on that would be a definite no, almost... In just about every condition that you would normally run into, this *should* be impossible. Microsoft security being what it is though, it isn't as impossible as it should be. Assuming that you do want to be legit though, the only way that something like this could happen is with Mr. Sixpack's help. If you give us a better clue to what you are trying, we can probably guide you in the right direction on how to get Mr. Sixpack to help you out. As the problem stands though, you'll have to try a different approach. On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 10:56:47PM -0700, Joel Fentin wrote: > ~sdpm~ > Is there a way to run a program in the computer from the server? > > For example. Joe Sixpack has a perl script > (http://www.xxx.com/cgi-bin/xxx.pl) in the location window of his > browser. As the perl script executes, one of it's jobs is to run > an .exe (or some other) program in Mr. Sixpack's computer. > > -- > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > email: joel@fentin.com > biz: http://fentin.com > personal: http://fentin.com/me/ > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at fentin.com Tue Jun 3 09:35:43 2003 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <20030603070042.GA10598@energoncube.net> References: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.20030603073543.0079a450@pop3.nethere.com> ~sdpm~ >...Assuming that you >do want to be legit though, the only way that something like this >could happen is with Mr. Sixpack's help. Yes it's legit. It's part of something that involves extreme security. What is the minimal help Mr. Sixpack needs to give? ========== >If you give us a better clue to what you are trying, we can probably >guide you in the right direction on how to get Mr. Sixpack to help >you out. It involves hardware connected to Joe Sixpack's computer. Exercising that hardware. Others would have the same hardware but with access other codes. It's not as simple as that but you get the idea. ========== >> Is there a way to run a program in the computer from the server? >> >> For example. Joe Sixpack has a perl script >> (http://www.xxx.com/cgi-bin/xxx.pl) in the location window of his >> browser. As the perl script executes, one of it's jobs is to run >> an .exe (or some other) program in Mr. Sixpack's computer. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com biz: http://fentin.com personal: http://fentin.com/me/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at ucsd.edu Tue Jun 3 12:10:49 2003 From: cabney at ucsd.edu (C. Abney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Meeting this month In-Reply-To: <20030603002219.GA3562@energoncube.net> References: <20030603002219.GA3562@energoncube.net> Message-ID: <1054660249.2145.14.camel@vespa> ~sdpm~ A rhetorical question: Who is aware of Porters Pub and how interested would you be in meeting on the UCSD campus? Yours, Charles On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 17:22, Bob Kleemann wrote: > ~sdpm~ > Hey everybody, > > Just a reminder that there is a meeting this month on June 17. Once > again, location is currently undetermined (if you know of some place, > please let me know), but until you hear otherwise, assume it is at the > same location: The food court at UTC. > > Also, don't forget that the day after the meeting, there is a meet up > with tilly all the way up in Santa Ana. Doug should have the details > about that. > > I'll send out a reminder again in a couple of weeks. > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > -- Charles Abney Polymorphism Research Laboratory, 0603 UCSD School of Medicine 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla, CA 92093-0603 ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Tue Jun 3 12:15:22 2003 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (CA) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> References: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> Message-ID: <1054660522.1106.17.camel@vespa> ~sdpm~ Like any virus, you ship it as payload in an email (or as a link in a web page) and convince Mr. Sixpack to click on the icon. Yours, Charles On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 22:56, Joel Fentin wrote: > ~sdpm~ > Is there a way to run a program in the computer from the server? > > For example. Joe Sixpack has a perl script > (http://www.xxx.com/cgi-bin/xxx.pl) in the location window of his > browser. As the perl script executes, one of it's jobs is to run > an .exe (or some other) program in Mr. Sixpack's computer. > > -- > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > email: joel@fentin.com > biz: http://fentin.com > personal: http://fentin.com/me/ > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From menolly at mib.org Tue Jun 3 12:46:38 2003 From: menolly at mib.org (Menolly) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Meeting this month In-Reply-To: <1054660249.2145.14.camel@vespa> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Parking on campus tends to be dificult at best and is not free during the week. On 3 Jun 2003, C. Abney wrote: > ~sdpm~ > A rhetorical question: > > Who is aware of Porters Pub and how interested would you be in meeting > on the UCSD campus? > > Yours, > > Charles > > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 17:22, Bob Kleemann wrote: > > ~sdpm~ > > Hey everybody, > > > > Just a reminder that there is a meeting this month on June 17. Once > > again, location is currently undetermined (if you know of some place, > > please let me know), but until you hear otherwise, assume it is at the > > same location: The food court at UTC. > > > > Also, don't forget that the day after the meeting, there is a meet up > > with tilly all the way up in Santa Ana. Doug should have the details > > about that. > > > > I'll send out a reminder again in a couple of weeks. > > ~sdpm~ > > > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > > you can send mail to with the following > > command in the body of your email message: > > > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > > list itself) send email to . > > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > > to contact a human. > > > -- )\._.,--....,'``. | menolly@mib.org /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. | http://www.livejournal.com/~nolly/ `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' fL| Paranoid Cynical Optimist "A corpse in the basement is just _wrong_!" "Well, yeah. That's why they got rid of it." ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From tkil-sdpm at scrye.com Tue Jun 3 12:48:38 2003 From: tkil-sdpm at scrye.com (Tkil) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> References: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Fentin writes: Joel> Is there a way to run a program in the computer from the server? Joel> For example. Joe Sixpack has a perl script Joel> (http://www.xxx.com/cgi-bin/xxx.pl) in the location window of his Joel> browser. As the perl script executes, one of it's jobs is to run Joel> an .exe (or some other) program in Mr. Sixpack's computer. As Bob points out, it's really poor form to allow random web sites to execute arbitrary code on your computer -- can you say "rmdir /s c:\" or its equivalents? For more legitimate uses, the usual way to trigger client-side events is in two parts: 1. The user's web browser is configured to pass data with certain MIME types, or file extensions, to certain executables. 2. The server is configured to dispense data with that MIME type and/or file extension. This is how you can "invoke" an mp3 player on the user's machine: most systems are set up to fire off a player when they get a file with an .mp3 or .m3u extension, or an "audio/mpeg" content-type. MusicMatch uses similar techniques so that we can embed a link in HTML that, when clicked, can launch our player and have it tune into a specific station. Is this sufficient to do what you need? There are always security concerns; in this case, configuring the browser to pass all "application/x-frob" files to an external executable means that the external executable is responsible for authenticating the data, at the very least, as well as applying whatever other security logic the task requires. There are more options if you are working in the windows world: downloading active x components gives you much more control on the user's computer, and the user only has to agree to it once... t. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Jun 3 12:49:32 2003 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Meeting this month In-Reply-To: <1054660249.2145.14.camel@vespa> References: <20030603002219.GA3562@energoncube.net> <1054660249.2145.14.camel@vespa> Message-ID: <20030603174932.GA31154@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ I am very aware of Porter's Pub at UCSD, and I almost think it would be a great place for meetings. However, they don't stay open very late during the summer and during the normal school year we would need to pay for parking (or risk a ticket). On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:10:49AM -0700, C. Abney wrote: > ~sdpm~ > A rhetorical question: > > Who is aware of Porters Pub and how interested would you be in meeting > on the UCSD campus? > > Yours, > > Charles > > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 17:22, Bob Kleemann wrote: > > ~sdpm~ > > Hey everybody, > > > > Just a reminder that there is a meeting this month on June 17. Once > > again, location is currently undetermined (if you know of some place, > > please let me know), but until you hear otherwise, assume it is at the > > same location: The food court at UTC. > > > > Also, don't forget that the day after the meeting, there is a meet up > > with tilly all the way up in Santa Ana. Doug should have the details > > about that. > > > > I'll send out a reminder again in a couple of weeks. > > ~sdpm~ > > > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > > you can send mail to with the following > > command in the body of your email message: > > > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > > list itself) send email to . > > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > > to contact a human. > > > -- > Charles Abney > Polymorphism Research Laboratory, 0603 > UCSD School of Medicine > 9500 Gilman Dr. > La Jolla, CA 92093-0603 > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue Jun 3 12:53:20 2003 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.20030603073543.0079a450@pop3.nethere.com> References: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> <3.0.4.32.20030603073543.0079a450@pop3.nethere.com> Message-ID: <20030603175320.GB31154@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Based on what you are saying, you'll have to get Mr. Sixpack to install some software that either does what you want, or sets up a daemon to listen for a signal to do what you want. On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 07:35:43AM -0700, Joel Fentin wrote: > ~sdpm~ > >...Assuming that you > >do want to be legit though, the only way that something like this > >could happen is with Mr. Sixpack's help. > > Yes it's legit. It's part of something that involves extreme > security. What is the minimal help Mr. Sixpack needs to give? > ========== > >If you give us a better clue to what you are trying, we can > probably > >guide you in the right direction on how to get Mr. Sixpack to help > >you out. > > It involves hardware connected to Joe Sixpack's computer. > Exercising that hardware. Others would have the same hardware but > with access other codes. It's not as simple as that but you get > the idea. > ========== > >> Is there a way to run a program in the computer from the server? > >> > >> For example. Joe Sixpack has a perl script > >> (http://www.xxx.com/cgi-bin/xxx.pl) in the location window of his > >> browser. As the perl script executes, one of it's jobs is to run > >> an .exe (or some other) program in Mr. Sixpack's computer. > > > -- > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > email: joel@fentin.com > biz: http://fentin.com > personal: http://fentin.com/me/ > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From scott at storagepoint.net Tue Jun 3 14:47:48 2003 From: scott at storagepoint.net (Scott Zimmerman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Meeting this month Message-ID: <200306031950.h53Jonc29861@mail.pm.org> ~sdpm~ fyi, below is the response I got from asking the Python group who to contact at SDCOE. They provide an excellent facility. As you can see, the contact question isn't answered yet, so I'll try to find that out. *** Currently, SANDPYT is using one of the meeting times for the Linux Programming Study Group, a SIG of the Kernel-Panic Linux Users Group (that's how we show up on the kiosk out in front of SDCOE). KPLUG is itself a SIG of the San Diego Computer Society . AFAIK, it's the SDCS that has the arrangement with the SDCOE, so you may want to investigate becoming a SIG of SDCS. The plan for SANDPYT is to become a SIG of SDCS in our own right, which requires that we have officers (2 I understand) in SDCS. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at fentin.com Wed Jun 4 09:30:43 2003 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> <3.0.4.32.20030602225647.007b5150@pop3.nethere.com> Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.20030604073043.007ab360@pop3.nethere.com> ~sdpm~ >Is this sufficient to do what you need?... I'm not sure yet. But I come away knowing far more than I intended to. Thanks to all who answered. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com biz: http://fentin.com personal: http://fentin.com/me/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Jun 16 18:58:08 2003 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Meeting Tommorow Message-ID: <20030616235808.GB26801@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Hi Everybody, Just a quick reminder for your busy week, there are two meetings this week. The normal one is tommorow, and the other one is a special meetup in Santa Ana. The monthly meeting will again occur at the food court inside of the UTC mall. Don't look for us in the areas surrounding the icerink, look for us at in the areas around Rubios, Cinabon, and the sliding glass doors. I'll be there about 7PM, and we can talk about the various possibilities for future meeting locations, Perl Q&A, and anything else we feel is important. Doug can tell you about all the fun that should be occuring on Wednesday evening, for those willing to make the trek. If anyone is thinking that they'd like to carpool, speak up, because I know I'm interested. See you tommorow. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at fentin.com Mon Jun 16 21:29:02 2003 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Color Vs. No Color question Message-ID: <3EEE7CEE.7060601@fentin.com> ~sdpm~ I recently made a discovery of more than passing interest to me. Those perl programs written with object oriented perl are drained of their color on Mozilla browsers and Netscape 7. Those written with print statements using html tags retain their color. Both types of programs always retain their color on older versions of Netscape and on Internet Explorer. Do I have to use html tags to retain color on all browsers? See: fentin.com/cgi-bin/test1.pl fentin.com/cgi-bin/test2.pl ============================================== #!/usr/bin/perl -w #!/perl/bin/perl -w use strict;use CGI; my $co = new CGI; print $co->header, $co->start_html(-title=>'test1',-bgcolor=>'DDDDDD'), $co->start_form(-method=>'POST',-action=>'./test1.pl'); print 'This is test1'; print $co->end_form(), $co->end_html; ============================================== #!/usr/bin/perl -w #!/perl/bin/perl -w use strict;use CGI; print "Content-type: text/html\n\n", ' test2
This is test2
'; ============================================== I intend to be at the meeting tomorrow (Tuesday). -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com Biz: http://fentin.com Personal: http://fentin.com/me/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joe at artlung.com Mon Jun 16 22:52:28 2003 From: joe at artlung.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Color Vs. No Color question In-Reply-To: <3EEE7CEE.7060601@fentin.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Joel Fentin wrote: > I recently made a discovery of more than passing interest to me. Those > perl programs written with object oriented perl are drained of their > color on Mozilla browsers and Netscape 7. Those written with print > statements using html tags retain their color. Both types of programs > always retain their color on older versions of Netscape and on Internet > Explorer. Do I have to use html tags to retain color on all browsers? > > See: > fentin.com/cgi-bin/test1.pl > fentin.com/cgi-bin/test2.pl > ============================================== > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > #!/perl/bin/perl -w > use strict;use CGI; > my $co = new CGI; > print $co->header, > $co->start_html(-title=>'test1',-bgcolor=>'DDDDDD'), valid hex notated color names should begin with the pound sign, i wonder if that's the problem you've come across.... check: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/types.html#h-6.5 and > also note that #DDDDDD is a very pale grey that might be too subtle to notice on some displays. #CCCCCC should be fine though. My 2 cents, Joe -- Joe "ArtLung" Crawford San Diego California USA: http://artlung.com/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at fentin.com Tue Jun 17 00:55:01 2003 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Color Vs. No Color question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EEEAD35.8030604@fentin.com> ~sdpm~ Joe Crawford wrote: > valid hex notated color names should begin with the pound sign, i wonder > if that's the problem you've come across.... check: > http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/types.html#h-6.5 > and > > >> That doesn't seem to be it. In the page source with both versions, the # is stripped out. In any case I tried it in both versions of the program and there was no change. ========================= > also note that #DDDDDD is a very pale grey that might be too subtle to > notice on some displays. #CCCCCC should be fine though. That isn't the issue. I have other pages where all the colors have been turned to white. Thanks for trying. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com Biz: http://fentin.com Personal: http://fentin.com/me/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joe at artlung.com Tue Jun 17 09:05:52 2003 From: joe at artlung.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Color Vs. No Color question In-Reply-To: <3EEEAD35.8030604@fentin.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Joel Fentin wrote: > That doesn't seem to be it. In the page source with both versions, the # > is stripped out. In any case I tried it in both versions of the > program and there was no change. > ========================= > > also note that #DDDDDD is a very pale grey that might be too subtle to > > notice on some displays. #CCCCCC should be fine though. > > That isn't the issue. I have other pages where all the colors have been > turned to white. > > Thanks for trying. Perhaps you have a stylesheet overriding the colors you're setting on the page then. Do you have a url to share so we can help you debug better? Joe -- Joe "ArtLung" Crawford San Diego California USA: http://artlung.com/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From tkil-sdpm at scrye.com Tue Jun 17 12:57:14 2003 From: tkil-sdpm at scrye.com (Tkil) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Color Vs. No Color question In-Reply-To: <3EEE7CEE.7060601@fentin.com> References: <3EEE7CEE.7060601@fentin.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Fentin writes: Joel> Do I have to use html tags to retain color on all browsers? No, you just need to use correct color tags (as someone else already pointed out). "DDDDDD" is *not* a valid color specification. "#DDDDDD" *is* a valid color specification. The browsers try hard to do the right thing, but in this case, they're defeated. My guess is that, if Netscape sees a letter as the first character of a color specification, it tries to look it up in the X colors database -- because, if you change your code to use "00FF00" (with no pound sign!) it *does* honor the color. Just use "#DDDDDD", and it will maintain color in all browsers. Because that's the standard. Funny how that works, isn't it? A small plea: unless you have a very good reason to set the background color, please don't. The web is not a printed page, and the rules of printed text on reflective medium (e.g., "dark text on light is easier to read") do not necessarily apply to a light-emitting medium. Granted, I've mostly given up on this crusade, but oh well... t. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at fentin.com Tue Jun 17 15:23:47 2003 From: joel at fentin.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Color Vs. No Color question In-Reply-To: References: <3EEE7CEE.7060601@fentin.com> Message-ID: <3EEF78D3.8080506@fentin.com> ~sdpm~ Tkil wrote: >>>>>>"Joel" == Joel Fentin writes: > > > Joel> Do I have to use html tags to retain color on all browsers? > > No, you just need to use correct color tags (as someone else already > pointed out). > > "DDDDDD" is *not* a valid color specification. > "#DDDDDD" *is* a valid color specification. I thought I tested this last night. It did the trick. Appologies to Joe Crawford. ================================================== > A small plea: unless you have a very good reason to set the background > color, please don't. The web is not a printed page, and the rules of > printed text on reflective medium (e.g., "dark text on light is easier > to read") do not necessarily apply to a light-emitting medium. It's not just about background colors. It's about all colors. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com Biz: http://fentin.com Personal: http://fentin.com/me/ ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From dgwilson at gtemail.net Tue Jun 17 15:59:15 2003 From: dgwilson at gtemail.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Meeting Tommorow Message-ID: <20030617205916.22176.qmail@verizonmail.com> ~sdpm~ Bob is right. A social pm meeting is happening tomorrow in Santa Ana. I know its a long drive up, but just think, it won't take nearly as long to drive back :-) Here are the details, or see http://oc.pm.org : >Socialize. Eat. Or just knock back a few pints. >Hope to see you there :-) > Time: > Wednesday, June 18th 7pm > > Place: > The Olde Ship > British Pub & Restaurant > 1120 W 17th St > Santa Ana, California > 714-550-6700 tel > 714-441-1449 fax > www.theoldeship.com > > Directions: > Take I-5 to Santa Ana > Exit 17th St. Turn Left (Go West) past Main St. > It'll be on the left, but go to Bristol and make a U-turn > and its on the right. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free Verizonmail at www.verizonmail.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Tue Jun 17 17:57:03 2003 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (CA) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:47 2004 Subject: Color Vs. No Color question In-Reply-To: <3EEEAD35.8030604@fentin.com> References: <3EEEAD35.8030604@fentin.com> Message-ID: <1055890623.7769.282.camel@vespa> ~sdpm~ > That doesn't seem to be it. In the page source with both versions, the # > is stripped out. In any case I tried it in both versions of the > program and there was no change. Er, did you hold the shift-key down while you were reloading the file between edits? Just a thought. On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 22:55, Joel Fentin wrote: > ~sdpm~ > Joe Crawford wrote: > > > valid hex notated color names should begin with the pound sign, i wonder > > if that's the problem you've come across.... check: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/types.html#h-6.5 > > and > > > > > >> > > That doesn't seem to be it. In the page source with both versions, the # > is stripped out. In any case I tried it in both versions of the > program and there was no change. > ========================= > > also note that #DDDDDD is a very pale grey that might be too subtle to > > notice on some displays. #CCCCCC should be fine though. > > That isn't the issue. I have other pages where all the colors have been > turned to white. > > Thanks for trying. > -- > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > email: joel@fentin.com > Biz: http://fentin.com > Personal: http://fentin.com/me/ > > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From tkil-sdpm at scrye.com Wed Jun 18 15:28:59 2003 From: tkil-sdpm at scrye.com (Tkil) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:48 2004 Subject: Carpool to Orange County tonight Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Greetings. Bob and I are thinking of carpooling up to the social event to visit with Tilly and the OC.pm crowd. Is anyone else still interested and able to join us? Where should we meet up? Bob and I are already a fair ways north, so if people wanted to drive some of the distance north, join us here, and share the ride the rest of the way, that would be easiest on us. We could also go south first, then north again. If Bob and I go in my car, we have room for two more people (three would be very cozy and probably insanity-inducing for a drive this long). We're thinking of leaving here at 17:00 this evening. Thanks, t. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Wed Jun 18 15:34:44 2003 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:48 2004 Subject: Road Trip Message-ID: <20030618203444.GC19673@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Time is running out. Act now, or this opportunity will be lost. It's time to decide, are you in or are you out? There is a small group of us heading up to the meet-up tonight. If you would like to be included, let me know now. Or, if you're planning to meet us up there, then we'll see you when we get there. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From tkil-sdpm at scrye.com Wed Jun 18 16:21:19 2003 From: tkil-sdpm at scrye.com (Tkil) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:48 2004 Subject: Comments from last night's meeting (2003-06-17) Message-ID: <16112.55247.838521.311318@brand.scrye.com> ~sdpm~ [sorry if anyone gets this twice] Regarding perl on win32: The command I mentioned last night should be something like this, added to your httpd.conf file: SetEnv PATH c:\perl\bin Although I don't know what the .conf parser does with backslashes; you might need to use either double backslashes: SetEnv PATH c:\\perl\\bin Or you can try forward slashes: SetEnv PATH c:/perl/bin Plan B: It looks like it *might* be enough to just create the directory "c:\usr\bin" and copy "c:\perl\bin\perl.exe" into it. If anything tries to get clever (e.g., finding libraries by finding binary and appending "../lib" to it) that might fail. Plan C: re-install ActivePerl, but tell it to install into c:/usr. :) (How's *that* for brute force?) Steve (?) / Wombat -- post something. :) PHP v. Perl: Do a Google search for "perl php comparison". Happy reading. :) Anything else? t. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Wed Jun 18 16:38:25 2003 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:48 2004 Subject: Comments from last night's meeting (2003-06-17) In-Reply-To: <16112.55247.838521.311318@brand.scrye.com> References: <16112.55247.838521.311318@brand.scrye.com> Message-ID: <20030618213825.GE19673@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ There was also the discussion last night of where to find work for the unlucky among us. If anyone has any insight to where to look or any other tricks for finding a job in the down economy, there are several here that would be interested in hearing about your insights. On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 03:21:19PM -0600, Tkil wrote: > ~sdpm~ > > [sorry if anyone gets this twice] > > Regarding perl on win32: > > The command I mentioned last night should be something like this, > added to your httpd.conf file: > > SetEnv PATH c:\perl\bin > > Although I don't know what the .conf parser does with backslashes; > you might need to use either double backslashes: > > SetEnv PATH c:\\perl\\bin > > Or you can try forward slashes: > > SetEnv PATH c:/perl/bin > > Plan B: It looks like it *might* be enough to just create the > directory "c:\usr\bin" and copy "c:\perl\bin\perl.exe" into it. If > anything tries to get clever (e.g., finding libraries by finding > binary and appending "../lib" to it) that might fail. > > Plan C: re-install ActivePerl, but tell it to install into c:/usr. > :) (How's *that* for brute force?) > > Steve (?) / Wombat -- post something. :) > > PHP v. Perl: > > Do a Google search for "perl php comparison". Happy reading. :) > > Anything else? > > t. > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From sjw at lemniscate.net Wed Jun 18 16:59:10 2003 From: sjw at lemniscate.net (Steve J. West) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:48 2004 Subject: Comments from last night's meeting (2003-06-17) In-Reply-To: <16112.55247.838521.311318@brand.scrye.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ > Steve (?) / Wombat -- post something. :) ACK. Wombat here. "Hello, list!\n" FIN. :-) ~W ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From dgwilson1 at cox.net Mon Jun 16 07:55:12 2003 From: dgwilson1 at cox.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:48 2004 Subject: OC meeting References: <20030616235808.GB26801@energoncube.net> Message-ID: <00f101c33406$876817e0$e93a0544@oc.cox.net> ~sdpm~ Thanks again to everyone who came, and to Amy, who didn't, but kick started the whole thing. I believe a good time was had by all, and I'm still stuffed :-) For those looking for work, here's a reposting of something on the LA list if you're willing to commute or relocate, and of course, there's jobs.perl.org: ---------------------------------- Hi everyone - we are currently looking for a senior Perl Developer for our client based in West Los Angeles. The client is a leader in their field, extremely fast growing, and profitable. Please contact me at jc@themitchellgroup.com if you are interested or know someone else that may be. Thanks! Regards, Jeff ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From dgwilson1 at cox.net Thu Jun 19 09:27:04 2003 From: dgwilson1 at cox.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:48 2004 Subject: OC meeting References: <20030616235808.GB26801@energoncube.net> <00f101c33406$876817e0$e93a0544@oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <000401c3366e$db4c0280$e93a0544@oc.cox.net> ~sdpm~ And I really need to fix the battery on my PC, or at least remember to update the clock every time I turn it on :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Wilson" To: "Perl Mongers" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:55 AM Subject: OC meeting > ~sdpm~ > > Thanks again to everyone who came, and > to Amy, who didn't, but kick started the whole thing. > I believe a good time was had by all, and I'm still stuffed :-) > > For those looking for work, here's a reposting of something > on the LA list if you're willing to commute or relocate, and > of course, there's jobs.perl.org: > ---------------------------------- > Hi everyone - we are currently looking for a senior Perl Developer for our > client based in West Los Angeles. The client is a leader in their field, > extremely fast growing, and profitable. > > Please contact me at jc@themitchellgroup.com if you are interested or know > someone else that may be. Thanks! > > Regards, > > Jeff > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Thu Jun 19 12:27:39 2003 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:48 2004 Subject: OC meeting In-Reply-To: <00f101c33406$876817e0$e93a0544@oc.cox.net> References: <20030616235808.GB26801@energoncube.net> <00f101c33406$876817e0$e93a0544@oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030619172739.GA20327@energoncube.net> ~sdpm~ Indeed, the trip was well worth it. Lots of humor, many laughs, and a good bit of discussion throughout the evening. Many thanks to the OC Perl Mongers for hosting the event. On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 05:55:12AM -0700, Douglas Wilson wrote: > ~sdpm~ > > Thanks again to everyone who came, and > to Amy, who didn't, but kick started the whole thing. > I believe a good time was had by all, and I'm still stuffed :-) > > For those looking for work, here's a reposting of something > on the LA list if you're willing to commute or relocate, and > of course, there's jobs.perl.org: > ---------------------------------- > Hi everyone - we are currently looking for a senior Perl Developer for our > client based in West Los Angeles. The client is a leader in their field, > extremely fast growing, and profitable. > > Please contact me at jc@themitchellgroup.com if you are interested or know > someone else that may be. Thanks! > > Regards, > > Jeff > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human.