From rkleeman at energoncube.net Fri Aug 10 13:45:26 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers In-Reply-To: <27C31DE9ADF1D211A7C300E0B1041E23F7F0CD@discovery.mitchellrepair.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Brian, Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I am not aware of any local Perl trainers, but perhaps someone in the group is. I'm forwarding your message to them and hopefully someone will be able to point you in the right direction. If you're interested in learning on your own though the group is friendly and willing to help someone new into the language. On Wed, 8 Aug 2001 Brian.Henderson@MitchellRepair.com wrote: > Hello Mr. Kleeman, I'm in need of Perl training in San Diego and I thought > maybe you'd be able to point me in the direction of either a particular > source to get some education, or someplace where there are several choices. > I haven't been having much luck finding anything local and any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thank You, > > Brian Henderson > Print Composition Dept. > Mitchell Repair Information Co. > San Diego, CA > > brian.henderson@mitchellrepair.com > (858) 391-5000 - x.6533 > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From pdelmonte at ucsd.edu Fri Aug 10 16:12:08 2001 From: pdelmonte at ucsd.edu (Peter Delmonte) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Perl Training Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010810141208.007d82d0@tps.ucsd.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1420 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/san-diego-pm/attachments/20010810/65ab8884/attachment.bin From joe at artlung.com Sun Aug 12 09:58:48 2001 From: joe at artlung.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Perl Training References: Message-ID: <3B769963.B38BCE56@artlung.com> ~sdpm~ Also, the San Diego Community College District offers classes -- http://www.ncc.sdccd.net/ce-grid/gen-bit/cert-off.html#perl I took one last year in MySQL/PHP which was pretty good. Can't speak for the Perl classes. :-\ Best, Joe -- ........... Joe Crawford : thinking and design about the web .... enigmatic narcissism and miscellany : http://artlung.com .... community instigator : http://WebSanDiego.org .... San Diego, California, USA .....................AAAFNRAA ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Sun Aug 12 22:34:08 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: platform stuff Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I'm writing a module that will probably be used on different OS platforms. I'm wondering if things like directory delimiters and PATH delimiters are going to be an issue. I don't have a windows box to try things out on. :) But I thought ActiveState's version of Perl took care of stuff like that. Is that true? Is there a FAQ on portability issues such as this available for browsing? CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Mon Aug 13 12:31:42 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: platform stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Directory delimiters are the same, '/', that much I'm sure about. PATH delimiters (you mean the ':' seperating different entries in the path list, correct) may or may not be. On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, cabney wrote: > ~sdpm~ > I'm writing a module that will probably be used on different OS platforms. > > I'm wondering if things like directory delimiters and PATH delimiters > are going to be an issue. > > I don't have a windows box to try things out on. :) > > But I thought ActiveState's version of Perl took care of stuff like that. > > Is that true? > > Is there a FAQ on portability issues such as this available for browsing? > > CA > -- > There was a time > A wind that blew so young > For this could be the biggest sky > And I could have the faintest idea > > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From Brian.Henderson at MitchellRepair.com Mon Aug 13 12:54:13 2001 From: Brian.Henderson at MitchellRepair.com (Brian.Henderson@MitchellRepair.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Perl Training (fwd) Message-ID: <27C31DE9ADF1D211A7C300E0B1041E23F7F0E8@discovery.mitchellrepair.com> I'd like to thank everybody for all the help you've given me in my search for Perl training. For a bunch of hackers, you guys are unusually helpful to a newbie like me...who are you guys...really? Brian Henderson Print Composition Dept. Mitchell Repair Information Co. San Diego, CA brian.henderson@mitchellrepair.com (858) 391-5000 - x.6533 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kleemann [mailto:rkleeman@energoncube.net] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 10:32 AM To: Brian Henderson Subject: Perl Training (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 07:58:48 -0700 From: Joe Crawford To: Perl Mongers - San Diego Subject: Perl Training ~sdpm~ Also, the San Diego Community College District offers classes -- http://www.ncc.sdccd.net/ce-grid/gen-bit/cert-off.html#perl I took one last year in MySQL/PHP which was pretty good. Can't speak for the Perl classes. :-\ Best, Joe -- ........... Joe Crawford : thinking and design about the web .... enigmatic narcissism and miscellany : http://artlung.com .... community instigator : http://WebSanDiego.org .... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/san-diego-pm/attachments/20010813/b2f061e6/attachment.htm From cabney at cyberpass.net Mon Aug 13 13:50:08 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: platform stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Bob Kleemann wrote: > Directory delimiters are the same, '/', that much I'm sure about. PATH > delimiters (you mean the ':' seperating different entries in the path > list, correct) may or may not be. Thanks, Doug Wilson was kind enough to point me at File::Spec and children. CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From Doug_Wilson at intuit.com Mon Aug 13 14:25:37 2001 From: Doug_Wilson at intuit.com (Wilson, Doug) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: platform stuff Message-ID: <35A280DF784CD411A06B0008C7B130ADB550EA@sdex04.sd.intuit.com> ~sdpm~ I meant to reply to the list, but just replied to cabney so here goes again :) Let me also add that if I'm writing something that I know will only be on Windows or Unix, then I'll just use forward slashes. If I'm going to put it on CPAN, then I'll use File::Spec. (I just wish other authors would do the same). I can't be sure that it'll work on Mac or VMS or whatever, but at least it'll be easier to fix if it doesn't :) ~sdpm~ > I'm writing a module that will probably be used on different > OS platforms. > > I'm wondering if things like directory delimiters and PATH delimiters > are going to be an issue. On windows, forward slashes are transparently converted to backslashes in directory paths. So most filenames should be compatible between Windows and Unix (unless you include the Windows drive or network system name (e.g. 'C:\' or '\\SOMESYSTEM', but even then forward slashes are ok on windows). But if you really want to be portable (Mac, VMS, etc), you might want to use File::Spec. (See File::Spec and File::Spec::Unix to start, then the other File::Spec::* modules if you're curious about how other systems do it). HTH -Doug ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Wed Aug 15 13:11:12 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Meeting tonight! Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Perl Mongers, I hope everyone remembers there is a meeting tonight. Plans are to talk about what we saw, heard, and did during the Perl Conference; about our new T-shirts; and anything else that comes up. Bring your questions, problems, and anything else you can think to bring and we'll see you tonight at 7PM. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Wed Aug 15 18:02:26 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Meeting tonight! Message-ID: <01Aug15.162009pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ I have a question for the group, but not in any way Perl related. But maybe someone can provide a clue. The boss ordered a Sun Enterprise 2 server which has arrived. I'm supposed to try to start installing Oracle on it. In order to save money, a video monitor was not purchased. How do I establish a system terminal to this thing so that I can communicate with it? I got a serial port adapter last night and hooked up a Win32 PC running hyperterminal, but that didn't work. The only support phone number I can find at Sun's web site is for Solaris support. Any ideas? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kleemann [mailto:rkleeman@energoncube.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:11 AM To: San Diego Perl Mongers Subject: Meeting tonight! ~sdpm~ Perl Mongers, I hope everyone remembers there is a meeting tonight. Plans are to talk about what we saw, heard, and did during the Perl Conference; about our new T-shirts; and anything else that comes up. Bring your questions, problems, and anything else you can think to bring and we'll see you tonight at 7PM. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From eugene at securityarchitects.com Wed Aug 15 18:14:56 2001 From: eugene at securityarchitects.com (Eugene Tsyrklevich) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Meeting tonight! In-Reply-To: <01Aug15.162009pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com>; from todd.rockhold@ontogen.com on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:02:26PM -0700 References: <01Aug15.162009pdt.118082@gateway.ontogen.com> Message-ID: <20010815161455.A24716@securityarchitects.com> ~sdpm~ i don't know about sun enterprise 2 but a lot of other newer sun boxes i worked with support standard PC VGA monitors if not any terminal program with standard settings should work On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:02:26PM -0700, Todd Rockhold wrote: > ~sdpm~ > I have a question for the group, but not in any way Perl related. > But maybe someone can provide a clue. > > The boss ordered a Sun Enterprise 2 server which has arrived. > I'm supposed to try to start installing Oracle on it. > In order to save money, a video monitor was not purchased. > How do I establish a system terminal to this thing so that I > can communicate with it? I got a serial port adapter last night > and hooked up a Win32 PC running hyperterminal, but that didn't work. > The only support phone number I can find at Sun's web site is for Solaris > support. > Any ideas? ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From rkleeman at energoncube.net Wed Aug 15 18:23:43 2001 From: rkleeman at energoncube.net (Bob Kleemann) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Meeting tonight! In-Reply-To: <20010815161455.A24716@securityarchitects.com> Message-ID: ~sdpm~ I think the serial cable needs to be a null-modem cable, not the standard serial cable. On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Eugene Tsyrklevich wrote: > ~sdpm~ > i don't know about sun enterprise 2 but a lot of other newer sun boxes > i worked with support standard PC VGA monitors > if not any terminal program with standard settings should work > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:02:26PM -0700, Todd Rockhold wrote: > > ~sdpm~ > > I have a question for the group, but not in any way Perl related. > > But maybe someone can provide a clue. > > > > The boss ordered a Sun Enterprise 2 server which has arrived. > > I'm supposed to try to start installing Oracle on it. > > In order to save money, a video monitor was not purchased. > > How do I establish a system terminal to this thing so that I > > can communicate with it? I got a serial port adapter last night > > and hooked up a Win32 PC running hyperterminal, but that didn't work. > > The only support phone number I can find at Sun's web site is for Solaris > > support. > > Any ideas? > ~sdpm~ > > The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org > > List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > you can send mail to with the following > command in the body of your email message: > > unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list > > If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, > (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the > list itself) send email to . > This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need > to contact a human. > > ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From chris at velocigen.com Thu Aug 16 09:17:38 2001 From: chris at velocigen.com (Chris Radcliff) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Flash and book Message-ID: <3B7BD602.3010003@velocigen.com> ~sdpm~ Hi Mongers, Here's that Perl-to-Flash demo page I talked about last night: http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/flash/demo.html Also, the book is finally shipping from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735711143/globalspin-20 If you've read the book (or parts), please post a review on Amazon. Even a short review will help get the ball rolling. If you haven't read the book, you can do so online: http://www.globalspin.com/thebook/ Thanks! ~chris who promises to take up other interests ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From anthony at zoovy.com Thu Aug 16 13:21:02 2001 From: anthony at zoovy.com (Anthony Kilna) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Perl 6 RFCs Message-ID: ~sdpm~ This is the list I mentioned at the meeting, its a great read! http://dev.perl.org/rfc/by-group.html Anthony Kilna - anthony@zoovy.com - 1-877-966-8948 x112 ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Aug 16 20:01:57 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Perl 6 RFCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Anthony" == Anthony Kilna writes: Anthony> ~sdpm~ Anthony> This is the list I mentioned at the meeting, its a great read! Anthony> http://dev.perl.org/rfc/by-group.html I have my "perl6" talk temporarily online at http://www.stonehenge.com/P6.pdf -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From todd.rockhold at ontogen.com Fri Aug 17 09:28:25 2001 From: todd.rockhold at ontogen.com (Todd Rockhold) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: Perl 6 RFCs Message-ID: <01Aug17.074555pdt.118081@gateway.ontogen.com> ~sdpm~ Hey merlyn, thanks for the pointer and for letting us take a look. But for some reason I can't get to it -- now batting 0 for 7. Anybody able to get to P6.pdf? Maybe I missed the window? -----Original Message----- From: merlyn@stonehenge.com [mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:02 PM To: Anthony Kilna Cc: san-diego-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Perl 6 RFCs ~sdpm~ >>>>> "Anthony" == Anthony Kilna writes: Anthony> ~sdpm~ Anthony> This is the list I mentioned at the meeting, its a great read! Anthony> http://dev.perl.org/rfc/by-group.html I have my "perl6" talk temporarily online at http://www.stonehenge.com/P6.pdf -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. From cabney at cyberpass.net Mon Aug 20 03:15:58 2001 From: cabney at cyberpass.net (cabney) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:20:26 2004 Subject: DMCA Message-ID: ~sdpm~ Kay, mostly I'm a lurker and this is OT, but I'm getting scared. :0 What's being done locally about DMCA/NFTAA? Anyone? CA -- There was a time A wind that blew so young For this could be the biggest sky And I could have the faintest idea ~sdpm~ The posting address is: san-diego-pm-list@hfb.pm.org List requests should be sent to: majordomo@hfb.pm.org If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe san-diego-pm-list If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human.