From genehack at genehack.org Tue Oct 8 14:21:39 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 17:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Salem-pm] projector Message-ID: Hi everybody - I've put in a room reservation request at Broadway for tomorrow's meeting; hopefully they'll be able to get us in. Does anybody have a projector that they could bring or that we could borrow for the purpose of the meeting? thanks, john. From genehack at genehack.org Tue Oct 8 16:28:05 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:28:05 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Tomorrow night is "hang-and-hack"... Message-ID: I just got a reply from Broadway that there are no meeting rooms available, so I'm going to convert this into a "social / hack" meeting -- we can still go to Broadway and talk about projects that we're working on or whatever, we just won't be able to do it in a room. (Aside: apparently there's a church that uses _all_ the available meeting space on Wednesdays from October to May, so if we want to keep the meeting date consistent, Broadway is not at all an option.) j. From genehack at genehack.org Wed Oct 9 19:34:39 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:34:39 -0400 Subject: [Salem-pm] test post at 19:34 Message-ID: From genehack at genehack.org Wed Oct 9 23:33:39 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 02:33:39 -0400 Subject: [Salem-pm] unhosted webapps hackathon Message-ID: Here's the unhosted web apps hackathon I mentioned at the meeting: http://lanyrd.com/2013/unhostedpdx/ chrs, john. From russ.m01 at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 09:18:34 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:18:34 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] (no subject) Message-ID: Last night's meeting was fun. Couple of things I wanted to share/clarify that came up in the course of the evening. The REST book I mentioned can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/The-REST-Design-Handbook-ebook/dp/B00890OBFI The batteries-kinda-not-included Express alternative for Node can be found here: http://www.senchalabs.org/connect/ Aaand... I will present on ASP.NET MVC next month. If anyone has any particular topic they want covered let me know. -- RUSS MARTINEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russ.m01 at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 09:24:14 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:24:14 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] No Daily Digest Test Message-ID: No Daily Digest Test -- RUSS MARTINEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Russ Martinez wrote: > No Daily Digest Test 2 > > -- > RUSS MARTINEZ > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm From russ.m01 at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 09:43:59 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:43:59 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] No Daily Digest Test 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, good to go now. 2013/10/10 John SJ Anderson > pong. > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Russ Martinez wrote: > > No Daily Digest Test 2 > > > > -- > > RUSS MARTINEZ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Salem-pm mailing list > > Salem-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > -- RUSS MARTINEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From master.sparkle at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 16:07:00 2013 From: master.sparkle at gmail.com (Charles Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:07:00 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Beaver Bar Camp Message-ID: It was my intention to mention this at the meeting last night, but I didn't show up. :-) http://beaverbarcamp.org/ It's Saturday down in Corvallis. I may or may not be able to make it. Charles. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From genehack at genehack.org Thu Oct 10 16:14:30 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:14:30 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Beaver Bar Camp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's also a BarCamp in Salem this Saturday: http://salemdowntown.net/ignite-salem-5-and-barcamp-salem-spark-innovation-october-10-12/ Unfortunately, we have a full slate of kid activities, so I don't think I'll be able to make it. If anybody ends up going, I would really appreciate it if you summarized your experience back to the list. 8^) thanks, john. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Charles Anderson wrote: > It was my intention to mention this at the meeting last night, but I didn't > show up. :-) > http://beaverbarcamp.org/ > It's Saturday down in Corvallis. I may or may not be able to make it. > > > Charles. > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm From russ.m01 at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 20:39:31 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:39:31 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? Message-ID: Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do people prefer to have a single key? -- RUSS MARTINEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez wrote: > > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do > people > > prefer to have a single key? > > I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. > > j. > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randall at randallagordon.com Wed Oct 16 07:41:40 2013 From: randall at randallagordon.com (Randall A. Gordon) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 07:41:40 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). -R On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" wrote: > I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I figure my > laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able to revoke > that without messing with my home key. > > Charles. > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez >> wrote: >> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do >> people >> > prefer to have a single key? >> >> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. >> >> j. >> _______________________________________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russ.m01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 08:13:05 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the number of keys one voluntarily manages. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon < randall at randallagordon.com> wrote: > I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, > phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). > > -R > On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" > wrote: > >> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I figure >> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able to >> revoke that without messing with my home key. >> >> Charles. >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez >>> wrote: >>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do >>> people >>> > prefer to have a single key? >>> >>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. >>> >>> j. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Salem-pm mailing list >>> Salem-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > -- RUSS MARTINEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From genehack at genehack.org Wed Oct 16 08:16:29 2013 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:16:29 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez wrote: > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the number > of keys one voluntarily manages. > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon > wrote: >> >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). >> >> -R >> >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" >> wrote: >>> >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I figure >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able to >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. >>> >>> Charles. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez >>>> wrote: >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do >>>> > people >>>> > prefer to have a single key? >>>> >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. >>>> >>>> j. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Salem-pm mailing list >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Salem-pm mailing list >>> Salem-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > > > > -- > RUSS MARTINEZ > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm From russ.m01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 08:24:20 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:24:20 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well if your gonna get all technical. I didn't quantify "directly" or "inversely", therefore the interpretation of the generic "proportional" relationship was left up to the reader. :p On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez wrote: > > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the > number > > of keys one voluntarily manages. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon > > wrote: > >> > >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, > >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). > >> > >> -R > >> > >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I figure > >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able to > >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. > >>> > >>> Charles. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson < > genehack at genehack.org> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do > >>>> > people > >>>> > prefer to have a single key? > >>>> > >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. > >>>> > >>>> j. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Salem-pm mailing list > >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org > >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Salem-pm mailing list > >>> Salem-pm at pm.org > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Salem-pm mailing list > >> Salem-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > > > > > > > > > -- > > RUSS MARTINEZ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Salem-pm mailing list > > Salem-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > -- RUSS MARTINEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From master.sparkle at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 11:27:49 2013 From: master.sparkle at gmail.com (Charles Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:27:49 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When's Matlock on? You know, he's pretty smart. :-) Charles. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Russ Martinez wrote: > Well if your gonna get all technical. I didn't quantify "directly" or > "inversely", therefore the interpretation of the generic "proportional" > relationship was left up to the reader. :p > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > >> I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez >> wrote: >> > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the >> number >> > of keys one voluntarily manages. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, >> >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). >> >> >> >> -R >> >> >> >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I >> figure >> >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able to >> >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. >> >>> >> >>> Charles. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson < >> genehack at genehack.org> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do >> >>>> > people >> >>>> > prefer to have a single key? >> >>>> >> >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. >> >>>> >> >>>> j. >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Salem-pm mailing list >> >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Salem-pm mailing list >> >>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Salem-pm mailing list >> >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > RUSS MARTINEZ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Salem-pm mailing list >> > Salem-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> _______________________________________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > > > > -- > RUSS MARTINEZ > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at kalafut.net Wed Oct 16 12:11:35 2013 From: jim at kalafut.net (Jim Kalafut) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:11:35 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381950695.29283.34831013.43E50762@webmail.messagingengine.com> True. He uses rlogin and completely sidesteps this whole "how many SSH keys" hullabaloo. Jim On Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Charles Anderson wrote: When's Matlock on? You know, he's pretty smart. :-) Charles. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Russ Martinez <[1]russ.m01 at gmail.com> wrote: Well if your gonna get all technical. I didn't quantify "directly" or "inversely", therefore the interpretation of the generic "proportional" relationship was left up to the reader. :p On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, John SJ Anderson <[2]genehack at genehack.org> wrote: I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez <[3]russ.m01 at gmail.com> wrote: > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the number > of keys one voluntarily manages. > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon > <[4]randall at randallagordon.com> wrote: >> >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). >> >> -R >> >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" <[5]master.sparkle at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I figure >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able to >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. >>> >>> Charles. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson <[6]genehack at genehack.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez <[7]russ.m01 at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do >>>> > people >>>> > prefer to have a single key? >>>> >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. >>>> >>>> j. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Salem-pm mailing list >>>> [8]Salem-pm at pm.org >>>> [9]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Salem-pm mailing list >>> [10]Salem-pm at pm.org >>> [11]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> [12]Salem-pm at pm.org >> [13]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > > > > -- > RUSS MARTINEZ > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > [14]Salem-pm at pm.org > [15]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm _______________________________________________ Salem-pm mailing list [16]Salem-pm at pm.org [17]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm -- RUSS MARTINEZ _______________________________________________ Salem-pm mailing list [18]Salem-pm at pm.org [19]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm _______________________________________________ Salem-pm mailing list [20]Salem-pm at pm.org [21]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm References 1. mailto:russ.m01 at gmail.com 2. mailto:genehack at genehack.org 3. mailto:russ.m01 at gmail.com 4. mailto:randall at randallagordon.com 5. mailto:master.sparkle at gmail.com 6. mailto:genehack at genehack.org 7. mailto:russ.m01 at gmail.com 8. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 9. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 10. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 11. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 12. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 13. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 14. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 15. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 16. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 17. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 18. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 19. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 20. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 21. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? (Charles Anderson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:16:29 -0700 > From: John SJ Anderson > To: salem-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? > Message-ID: > < > CABJ3DF8b+3hUrRtbZdRvQSVyKAM-1rrewDXXo8+S5nuGWcMuPQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez wrote: > > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the > number > > of keys one voluntarily manages. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon > > wrote: > >> > >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, > >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). > >> > >> -R > >> > >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I figure > >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able to > >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. > >>> > >>> Charles. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson < > genehack at genehack.org> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do > >>>> > people > >>>> > prefer to have a single key? > >>>> > >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. > >>>> > >>>> j. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Salem-pm mailing list > >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org > >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Salem-pm mailing list > >>> Salem-pm at pm.org > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Salem-pm mailing list > >> Salem-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > > > > > > > > > -- > > RUSS MARTINEZ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Salem-pm mailing list > > Salem-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:24:20 -0700 > From: Russ Martinez > To: SODLUG > Subject: Re: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? > Message-ID: > BomH163EKRg3BbM7u1u7Q+NYvmRqCwSwWeWcPQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well if your gonna get all technical. I didn't quantify "directly" or > "inversely", therefore the interpretation of the generic "proportional" > relationship was left up to the reader. :p > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, John SJ Anderson >wrote: > > > I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p > > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez > wrote: > > > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the > > number > > > of keys one voluntarily manages. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, > > >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). > > >> > > >> -R > > >> > > >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" > > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I > figure > > >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able > to > > >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. > > >>> > > >>> Charles. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson < > > genehack at genehack.org> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or > do > > >>>> > people > > >>>> > prefer to have a single key? > > >>>> > > >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. > > >>>> > > >>>> j. > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Salem-pm mailing list > > >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org > > >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Salem-pm mailing list > > >>> Salem-pm at pm.org > > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Salem-pm mailing list > > >> Salem-pm at pm.org > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > RUSS MARTINEZ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Salem-pm mailing list > > > Salem-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > _______________________________________________ > > Salem-pm mailing list > > Salem-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > > > > > -- > RUSS MARTINEZ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/salem-pm/attachments/20131016/8bf67d29/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:27:49 -0700 > From: Charles Anderson > To: salem-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? > Message-ID: > < > CAF5LMn8okTBO6-kyhrXf08TdDSTBZTW6asWkgN68s6dSva5njQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > When's Matlock on? You know, he's pretty smart. :-) > > > Charles. > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Russ Martinez wrote: > > > Well if your gonna get all technical. I didn't quantify "directly" or > > "inversely", therefore the interpretation of the generic "proportional" > > relationship was left up to the reader. :p > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, John SJ Anderson >wrote: > > > >> I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez > >> wrote: > >> > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the > >> number > >> > of keys one voluntarily manages. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, > >> >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). > >> >> > >> >> -R > >> >> > >> >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" < > master.sparkle at gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I > >> figure > >> >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able > to > >> >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. > >> >>> > >> >>> Charles. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson < > >> genehack at genehack.org> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez > > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or > do > >> >>>> > people > >> >>>> > prefer to have a single key? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> j. > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> Salem-pm mailing list > >> >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org > >> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Salem-pm mailing list > >> >>> Salem-pm at pm.org > >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Salem-pm mailing list > >> >> Salem-pm at pm.org > >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > RUSS MARTINEZ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Salem-pm mailing list > >> > Salem-pm at pm.org > >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Salem-pm mailing list > >> Salem-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > RUSS MARTINEZ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Salem-pm mailing list > > Salem-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/salem-pm/attachments/20131016/c97ef55c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > ------------------------------ > > End of Salem-pm Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 > ************************************** > -- Eric Paxton @epxtn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russ.m01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 13:23:35 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:23:35 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Salem-pm Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to my calculations that makes you 23 years old. Am I close? On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Eric Paxton wrote: > I guess that makes me old then. I have a different keys for various > services I use. > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > >> Send Salem-pm mailing list submissions to >> salem-pm at pm.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> salem-pm-request at pm.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> salem-pm-owner at pm.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Salem-pm digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? (John SJ Anderson) >> 2. Re: Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? (Russ Martinez) >> 3. Re: Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? (Charles Anderson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:16:29 -0700 >> From: John SJ Anderson >> To: salem-pm at pm.org >> Subject: Re: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? >> Message-ID: >> < >> CABJ3DF8b+3hUrRtbZdRvQSVyKAM-1rrewDXXo8+S5nuGWcMuPQ at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez >> wrote: >> > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the >> number >> > of keys one voluntarily manages. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, >> >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). >> >> >> >> -R >> >> >> >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I >> figure >> >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able to >> >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. >> >>> >> >>> Charles. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson < >> genehack at genehack.org> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or do >> >>>> > people >> >>>> > prefer to have a single key? >> >>>> >> >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. >> >>>> >> >>>> j. >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Salem-pm mailing list >> >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Salem-pm mailing list >> >>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Salem-pm mailing list >> >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > RUSS MARTINEZ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Salem-pm mailing list >> > Salem-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:24:20 -0700 >> From: Russ Martinez >> To: SODLUG >> Subject: Re: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? >> Message-ID: >> > BomH163EKRg3BbM7u1u7Q+NYvmRqCwSwWeWcPQ at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Well if your gonna get all technical. I didn't quantify "directly" or >> "inversely", therefore the interpretation of the generic "proportional" >> relationship was left up to the reader. :p >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, John SJ Anderson > >wrote: >> >> > I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez >> wrote: >> > > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the >> > number >> > > of keys one voluntarily manages. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, >> > >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). >> > >> >> > >> -R >> > >> >> > >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" < >> master.sparkle at gmail.com> >> > >> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I >> figure >> > >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be able >> to >> > >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. >> > >>> >> > >>> Charles. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson < >> > genehack at genehack.org> >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez > > >> > >>>> wrote: >> > >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... Or >> do >> > >>>> > people >> > >>>> > prefer to have a single key? >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> j. >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> Salem-pm mailing list >> > >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> > >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Salem-pm mailing list >> > >>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Salem-pm mailing list >> > >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > RUSS MARTINEZ >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Salem-pm mailing list >> > > Salem-pm at pm.org >> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Salem-pm mailing list >> > Salem-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RUSS MARTINEZ >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/salem-pm/attachments/20131016/8bf67d29/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:27:49 -0700 >> From: Charles Anderson >> To: salem-pm at pm.org >> Subject: Re: [Salem-pm] Thoughts on 1 Versus Many SSH Keys? >> Message-ID: >> < >> CAF5LMn8okTBO6-kyhrXf08TdDSTBZTW6asWkgN68s6dSva5njQ at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> When's Matlock on? You know, he's pretty smart. :-) >> >> >> Charles. >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Russ Martinez >> wrote: >> >> > Well if your gonna get all technical. I didn't quantify "directly" or >> > "inversely", therefore the interpretation of the generic "proportional" >> > relationship was left up to the reader. :p >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM, John SJ Anderson < >> genehack at genehack.org>wrote: >> > >> >> I think you meant "inversely proportional"... 8^p >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Russ Martinez >> >> wrote: >> >> > There appears to be a proportional relationship between age and the >> >> number >> >> > of keys one voluntarily manages. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Randall A. Gordon >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I use one key per device "class" I suppose: home machines, laptop, >> >> >> phone(s), tab(s) and "other" (Raspberry Pi at the moment). >> >> >> >> >> >> -R >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 15, 2013 9:02 PM, "Charles Anderson" < >> master.sparkle at gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I have two: one for my home machine(s) and one for my laptop. I >> >> figure >> >> >>> my laptop is more likely to disappear, and it would be nice be >> able to >> >> >>> revoke that without messing with my home key. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Charles. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John SJ Anderson < >> >> genehack at genehack.org> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Russ Martinez < >> russ.m01 at gmail.com> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> > Do most people create multiple keys for work/home/OSS etc... >> Or do >> >> >>>> > people >> >> >>>> > prefer to have a single key? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I just use a single key everywhere, along with keychain. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> j. >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Salem-pm mailing list >> >> >>>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Salem-pm mailing list >> >> >>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Salem-pm mailing list >> >> >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > RUSS MARTINEZ >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Salem-pm mailing list >> >> > Salem-pm at pm.org >> >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Salem-pm mailing list >> >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > RUSS MARTINEZ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Salem-pm mailing list >> > Salem-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/salem-pm/attachments/20131016/c97ef55c/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Salem-pm Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 >> ************************************** >> > > > > -- > Eric Paxton > @epxtn > > > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > -- RUSS MARTINEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How are you guys securing your email? From master.sparkle at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 22:09:36 2013 From: master.sparkle at gmail.com (Charles Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:09:36 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Moving Away From Google Apps In-Reply-To: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> References: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Gmail :-) Charles. Sent from my phone - please excuse typos and terseness. On Oct 21, 2013 8:13 PM, "Russ Martinez" wrote: > So, I want to move away from Google things. How are you guys securing > your email? > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at kalafut.net Mon Oct 21 22:55:45 2013 From: jim at kalafut.net (Jim Kalafut) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:55:45 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Moving Away From Google Apps In-Reply-To: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> References: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <1382421345.7267.36911285.7024E01B@webmail.messagingengine.com> fastmail.fm (after doing some research into where the nerds were heading for alternatives, kind of like you are right now!) I bailed on Gmail about 3 months ago. The Fastmail experience has been good... definitely better than Gmail. I was able to import all of my Gmail back to 2005 quite easily. (Note that this is a direct Gmail->Fastmail transfer than goes on in the background.) The web UI is better than Gmail. The biggest shortfall is that general Android email clients aren't as good as the native Gmail app, but Google has slowly been screwing up the Gmail app too, so I'm sure they'll hit parity soon enough. Jim On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 08:13 PM, Russ Martinez wrote: > So, I want to move away from Google things. How are you guys securing > your email? > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm From jim at kalafut.net Mon Oct 21 23:02:59 2013 From: jim at kalafut.net (Jim Kalafut) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 23:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Moving Away From Google Apps In-Reply-To: <1382421345.7267.36911285.7024E01B@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> <1382421345.7267.36911285.7024E01B@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1382421779.8617.36913477.2FDD07FC@webmail.messagingengine.com> Addendum: Their new mobile interface--which I just now read about--may reduce my reliance on an standalone app (we'll see): http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/21/faster-than-native-introducing-fastmails-new-mobile-web-interface/ Jim On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Jim Kalafut wrote: > fastmail.fm (after doing some research into where the nerds were heading > for alternatives, kind of like you are right now!) > > I bailed on Gmail about 3 months ago. The Fastmail experience has been > good... definitely better than Gmail. I was able to import all of my > Gmail back to 2005 quite easily. (Note that this is a direct > Gmail->Fastmail transfer than goes on in the background.) The web UI is > better than Gmail. The biggest shortfall is that general Android email > clients aren't as good as the native Gmail app, but Google has slowly > been screwing up the Gmail app too, so I'm sure they'll hit parity soon > enough. > > Jim > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 08:13 PM, Russ Martinez wrote: > > So, I want to move away from Google things. How are you guys securing > > your email? > > _______________________________________________ > > Salem-pm mailing list > > Salem-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm From russ.m01 at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 06:40:27 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 06:40:27 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Moving Away From Google Apps In-Reply-To: <1382421779.8617.36913477.2FDD07FC@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> <1382421345.7267.36911285.7024E01B@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1382421779.8617.36913477.2FDD07FC@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <-68381745285497774@unknownmsgid> Do you have an opinion of Thunderbird on Android? Russ Martinez > On Oct 21, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Jim Kalafut wrote: > > Addendum: > > Their new mobile interface--which I just now read about--may reduce my > reliance on an standalone app (we'll see): > > http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/21/faster-than-native-introducing-fastmails-new-mobile-web-interface/ > > > Jim > >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Jim Kalafut wrote: >> fastmail.fm (after doing some research into where the nerds were heading >> for alternatives, kind of like you are right now!) >> >> I bailed on Gmail about 3 months ago. The Fastmail experience has been >> good... definitely better than Gmail. I was able to import all of my >> Gmail back to 2005 quite easily. (Note that this is a direct >> Gmail->Fastmail transfer than goes on in the background.) The web UI is >> better than Gmail. The biggest shortfall is that general Android email >> clients aren't as good as the native Gmail app, but Google has slowly >> been screwing up the Gmail app too, so I'm sure they'll hit parity soon >> enough. >> >> Jim >> >>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 08:13 PM, Russ Martinez wrote: >>> So, I want to move away from Google things. How are you guys securing >>> your email? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Salem-pm mailing list >>> Salem-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> _______________________________________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm From jim at kalafut.net Tue Oct 22 07:20:56 2013 From: jim at kalafut.net (Jim Kalafut) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:20:56 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Moving Away From Google Apps In-Reply-To: <-68381745285497774@unknownmsgid> References: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> <1382421345.7267.36911285.7024E01B@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1382421779.8617.36913477.2FDD07FC@webmail.messagingengine.com> <-68381745285497774@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <141e08a2d70.27cf.b527b0cd314cb598712a01d1386af689@kalafut.net> Nope. I tried K9, Emoze, Mail Droid and AquaMail. I ended up sticking with AquaMail. Jim On October 22, 2013 6:40:27 AM Russ Martinez wrote: > Do you have an opinion of Thunderbird on Android? > > Russ Martinez > > > > On Oct 21, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Jim Kalafut wrote: > > > > Addendum: > > > > Their new mobile interface--which I just now read about--may reduce my > > reliance on an standalone app (we'll see): > > > > > http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/21/faster-than-native-introducing-fastmails-new-mobile-web-interface/ > > > > > > Jim > > > >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Jim Kalafut wrote: > >> fastmail.fm (after doing some research into where the nerds were heading > >> for alternatives, kind of like you are right now!) > >> > >> I bailed on Gmail about 3 months ago. The Fastmail experience has been > >> good... definitely better than Gmail. I was able to import all of my > >> Gmail back to 2005 quite easily. (Note that this is a direct > >> Gmail->Fastmail transfer than goes on in the background.) The web UI is > >> better than Gmail. The biggest shortfall is that general Android email > >> clients aren't as good as the native Gmail app, but Google has slowly > >> been screwing up the Gmail app too, so I'm sure they'll hit parity soon > >> enough. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 08:13 PM, Russ Martinez wrote: > >>> So, I want to move away from Google things. How are you guys securing > >>> your email? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Salem-pm mailing list > >>> Salem-pm at pm.org > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Salem-pm mailing list > >> Salem-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > > _______________________________________________ > > Salem-pm mailing list > > Salem-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm From russ.m01 at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 17:07:52 2013 From: russ.m01 at gmail.com (Russ Martinez) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:07:52 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Moving Away From Google Apps In-Reply-To: <141e08a2d70.27cf.b527b0cd314cb598712a01d1386af689@kalafut.net> References: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> <1382421345.7267.36911285.7024E01B@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1382421779.8617.36913477.2FDD07FC@webmail.messagingengine.com> <-68381745285497774@unknownmsgid> <141e08a2d70.27cf.b527b0cd314cb598712a01d1386af689@kalafut.net> Message-ID: Heh, just saw this come through, http://silentcircle.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/announcing-the-dark-mail-alliance-founded-by-silent-circle-lavabit/ On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Jim Kalafut wrote: > Nope. I tried K9, Emoze, Mail Droid and AquaMail. I ended up sticking with > AquaMail. > > > Jim > > > > On October 22, 2013 6:40:27 AM Russ Martinez wrote: > >> Do you have an opinion of Thunderbird on Android? >> >> Russ Martinez >> >> >> > On Oct 21, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Jim Kalafut wrote: >> > >> > Addendum: >> > >> > Their new mobile interface--which I just now read about--may reduce my >> > reliance on an standalone app (we'll see): >> > >> > http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/**10/21/faster-than-native-** >> introducing-fastmails-new-**mobile-web-interface/ >> > >> > >> > Jim >> > >> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Jim Kalafut wrote: >> >> fastmail.fm (after doing some research into where the nerds were >> heading >> >> for alternatives, kind of like you are right now!) >> >> >> >> I bailed on Gmail about 3 months ago. The Fastmail experience has been >> >> good... definitely better than Gmail. I was able to import all of my >> >> Gmail back to 2005 quite easily. (Note that this is a direct >> >> Gmail->Fastmail transfer than goes on in the background.) The web UI >> is >> >> better than Gmail. The biggest shortfall is that general Android email >> >> clients aren't as good as the native Gmail app, but Google has slowly >> >> been screwing up the Gmail app too, so I'm sure they'll hit parity soon >> >> enough. >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 08:13 PM, Russ Martinez wrote: >> >>> So, I want to move away from Google things. How are you guys securing >> >>> your email? >> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> >>> Salem-pm mailing list >> >>> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/salem-pm >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> Salem-pm mailing list >> >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/salem-pm >> > ______________________________**_________________ >> > Salem-pm mailing list >> > Salem-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/salem-pm >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> Salem-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/salem-pm >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > Salem-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/salem-pm > -- RUSS MARTINEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at kalafut.net Thu Oct 31 12:01:01 2013 From: jim at kalafut.net (Jim Kalafut) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:01:01 -0700 Subject: [Salem-pm] Moving Away From Google Apps In-Reply-To: References: <1233701424277845021@unknownmsgid> <1382421345.7267.36911285.7024E01B@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1382421779.8617.36913477.2FDD07FC@webmail.messagingengine.com> <-68381745285497774@unknownmsgid> <141e08a2d70.27cf.b527b0cd314cb598712a01d1386af689@kalafut.net> Message-ID: <1383246061.7836.41301209.0783EFE1@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'll be interested to see how this goes, but I'm dubious of it getting any real traction simply because I've yet to see normal people express much concern about digital privacy. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013, at 05:07 PM, Russ Martinez wrote: Heh, just saw this come through, [1]http://silentcircle.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/announcing-the-dark-mai l-alliance-founded-by-silent-circle-lavabit/ On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Jim Kalafut <[2]jim at kalafut.net> wrote: Nope. I tried K9, Emoze, Mail Droid and AquaMail. I ended up sticking with AquaMail. Jim On October 22, 2013 6:40:27 AM Russ Martinez <[3]russ.m01 at gmail.com> wrote: Do you have an opinion of Thunderbird on Android? Russ Martinez > On Oct 21, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Jim Kalafut <[4]jim at kalafut.net> wrote: > > Addendum: > > Their new mobile interface--which I just now read about--may reduce my > reliance on an standalone app (we'll see): > > [5]http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/21/faster-than-native-introducing-fa stmails-new-mobile-web-interface/ > > > Jim > >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Jim Kalafut wrote: >> [6]fastmail.fm (after doing some research into where the nerds were heading >> for alternatives, kind of like you are right now!) >> >> I bailed on Gmail about 3 months ago. The Fastmail experience has been >> good... definitely better than Gmail. I was able to import all of my >> Gmail back to 2005 quite easily. (Note that this is a direct >> Gmail->Fastmail transfer than goes on in the background.) The web UI is >> better than Gmail. The biggest shortfall is that general Android email >> clients aren't as good as the native Gmail app, but Google has slowly >> been screwing up the Gmail app too, so I'm sure they'll hit parity soon >> enough. >> >> Jim >> >>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 08:13 PM, Russ Martinez wrote: >>> So, I want to move away from Google things. How are you guys securing >>> your email? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Salem-pm mailing list >>> [7]Salem-pm at pm.org >>> [8]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm >> _______________________________________________ >> Salem-pm mailing list >> [9]Salem-pm at pm.org >> [10]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm > _______________________________________________ > Salem-pm mailing list > [11]Salem-pm at pm.org > [12]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm _______________________________________________ Salem-pm mailing list [13]Salem-pm at pm.org [14]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm _______________________________________________ Salem-pm mailing list [15]Salem-pm at pm.org [16]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm -- RUSS MARTINEZ _______________________________________________ Salem-pm mailing list [17]Salem-pm at pm.org [18]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm References 1. http://silentcircle.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/announcing-the-dark-mail-alliance-founded-by-silent-circle-lavabit/ 2. mailto:jim at kalafut.net 3. mailto:russ.m01 at gmail.com 4. mailto:jim at kalafut.net 5. http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/21/faster-than-native-introducing-fastmails-new-mobile-web-interface/ 6. http://fastmail.fm/ 7. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 8. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 9. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 10. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 11. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 12. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 13. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 14. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 15. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 16. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm 17. mailto:Salem-pm at pm.org 18. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/salem-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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