From bmathis at directedge.com Wed Jun 6 10:33:12 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:29 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Perl.com: Using CGI::Application (fwd) Message-ID: www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by Macromedia, Creators of ColdFusion Problems meeting tight deadlines? ColdFusion 4.5, the leading Web app server, has the solution with an integrated suite of visual tools, powerful server technology, and an open language environment. Download your FREE evaluation copy today at http://www.oreillynet.com/nlr/network/04/allaire/coldfusion ============================================================ Hello, world. This is Simon Cozens, www.perl.com managing editor, bringing you the latest goings on from the world of Perl and our own site. * Perl at large. It's been quite a quiet week for Perl, as everyone's been getting ready for the conference season. YAPC starts in a week's time, and TPC is coming up July 23. If you haven't heard already, the Open Source Convention, TPC's sister conference, has announced a rather unexpected keynote speaker: Craig Mundie from Microsoft who will be telling us about Shared Source, Open Source and the GPL. http://yapc.org/America/ http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/view/e_sess/1834 The Perl CD Bookshelf has been updated: this version contains the latest text of the "Camel Book", Programming Perl Third Edition; Perl for System Administration; Perl in a Nutshell; The Perl Cookbook, and Advanced Perl Programming. Pretty much everything you need to know about Perl on a handy CD. Neat, eh? And if you're still hankering after dead trees, they've thrown in a paper copy of Perl In A Nutshell as well. Who could ask for anything more? http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlcdbs2 After a brief beta period, Ask Bjorn Hansen has provided an invaluable resource for those Perl hackers who have recently become or are likely to be, shall we say, occupationally challenged. The all new Perl Jobs Site is open to employers and job seekers alike, and can be found at... http://jobs.perl.org/ *** What's new on www.perl.com? *** The Perl 5 Porters summary this week comes once again courtesy of Leon Brocard, who tells us all about the latest developments in the Perl test suite, experiments with -Wall, and the push to introduce libnet into the Perl core. http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/p5pdigest/THISWEEK-20010604.html Once again, Bryan Warnock brings us his summary of the Perl 6 mailing lists, detailing the results of the discussion on virtual machine architecture, another attempt at codifying some coding conventions, a brief look at .NET, and the suggestion of an "it" variable. Read all about it at: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/p6pdigest/THISWEEK-20010601.html Our feature article this week is one I'm personally very glad to see. Have you ever written any CGI applications? I've been maintaining one recently which browses the Perl source repository, and it's really, really boring. Why? Because most CGI programs end up with the same basic design - take in some parameters which represent the state, one of which will tell you which "action" to perform; then a big switch statement to select the possible actions; then code to perform the actions. Once you've done it 10 times, you really, really don't want to do it again. When faced with a recurring design scenario like that, Jesse Erlbaum took the obvious but innovative move - abstract it away! He brings us a tutorial introduction to his "CGI::Application" module, which allows you to create CGI Web applications just like object-oriented modules, including inheritance and, if you want, distributing them on CPAN. Well worth a look if you do anything to do with CGI - it may even save you a bunch of time! http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/05/cgi.html Enjoy! SC ============================================================ The 3rd O'Reilly Open Source Convention, July 23-27, 2001 Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina Fueling the Open Source Alternative The Perl Conference 5, XTech2001 Conference on XML (in association with GCA), the 8th Tcl/Tk Conference, the 1st Conference on PHP - 14 tracks keep you informed on the latest innovations - Register by June 22 and Save http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ ============================================================ Using CGI::Application http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/05/cgi.html?wwwrrr_20010605.txt The Common Gateway Interface may well be the backbone of many Web applications, but sometimes it can feel dry and monotonous to work with. If you're fed up with "my $query = CGI->new()", Jesse Erlbaum presents a kinder, gentler alternative. Turning the Tides on Perl's Attitude Toward Beginners http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/29/tides.html?wwwrrr_20010605.txt Casey West is taking a stand against elitism in the Perl community and seems to be making progress. He has launched several new services for the Perl beginner that are being enthusiastically received. Taking Lessons From Traffic Lights http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/22/trafficlights.html?wwwrrr_20010605.txt Michael Schwern examines traffic lights and shows what lessons applied to the development of Perl 6. Exegesis 2 http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/08/exegesis2.html?wwwrrr_20010605.txt Having trouble visualizing how the approved RFC's for Perl 6 will translate into actual Perl code? Damian Conway provides and exegesis to Larry Wall's Apocalypse 2 and reveals what the code will look like. ============================================================ Sponsored by Thawte ** FREE Apache SSL Guide from Thawte ** Planning Web Server Security? Find out how to implement SSL! Get the free Thawte Apache SSL Guide and find the answers to all your Apache SSL security issues and more at: http://www.thawte.com/ucgi/gothawte.cgi?a=n122531080018000 ============================================================ Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High Performance Web Development site O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Tue Jun 12 15:53:30 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:29 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Group Listing Message-ID: Hey everyone, Just wanted to drop a note and say we're finally listed in "Computer Link Magazine" as a Rochester user group. I guess this makes us an official group here now. :) -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Wed Jun 13 20:30:53 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:29 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: Perl.com Newsletter -- Parse::RecDescent Tutorial] Message-ID: <3B2813CD.70600@directedge.com> www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by Macromedia, Creators of ColdFusion Problems meeting tight deadlines? ColdFusion 4.5, the leading Web app server, has the solution with an integrated suite of visual tools, powerful server technology, and an open language environment. Download your FREE evaluation copy today at http://www.oreillynet.com/nlr/network/04/allaire/coldfusion ============================================================ Hello, world. This is Simon Cozens, www.perl.com managing editor, bringing you the latest goings on from the world of Perl and our own site. *** Perl at large *** Well, as I write this, YAPC (Yet Another Perl Conference) is under 24 hours away. If you're getting ready to head off, this article may help. It contains directions from the airport to the McGill campus where the conference is being held: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/012955&mode=nocomment The YAPC schedule is available, as is the schedule for Lightning Talks: http://www.yapc.org/America/talks.shmtl http://perl.plover.com/lt/yapc2001.html Away from the conferences, things have been happening with CPAN; the scripts index is back http://www.cpan.org/scripts/ and there are a bunch of mailing lists to inform you when new things get put onto the CPAN: http://theory5.uwinnipeg.ca/cgi-bin/cpan-update On the development front, I've moved the Perl repository browser -- a nifty little gadget that allows real-time access to Perl's version control system -- to ActiveState with help from Gurusamy Sarathy. You can now find it at: http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse Another real-time access method will be provided by the changes mailing list, which is being set up as I write. Send mail to perl5-changes-subscribe@perl.org to receive change reports as they happen. *** What's new on www.perl.com? *** Leon Brocard brings us the perl5-porters summary for the final time. Next week, I shall be returning to my summarizing duties: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/p5pdigest/THISWEEK-20010611.html Once again, Bryan Warnock brings us his summary of the Perl 6 mailing lists: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/p6pdigest/THISWEEK-20010611.html Parse::RecDescent is the topic of our feature article this week. As you probably know, Yet Another Society, via donations from the Perl community, has bought out Damian Conway's teaching commitments for the year so that he can work on cool Perl gadgetry for us. One of his most interesting pieces of gadgetry is Parse::RecDescent, a recursive-descent parser generator. This is a tremendous help to Perl programmers who need to deal with any sort of structured data; from configuration files to mail headers to ... well, basically anything. It's even been used to parse other programming languages for conversion to Perl, something that will be quite a major topic of TPC. However, it's not all that easy to get into unless you see some good examples and a good tutorial. But don't worry, Jeff Goff has it covered. He explains what Parse::RecDescent does, how to build up grammars, and how to use Parse::RecDescent in your programs. This is another of those articles I'm really glad to be able to present, because it's something that's been really needed; Parse::RecDescent is an extremely useful module, and more people need to know about it. http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/13/recdecent.html You'll remember that two weeks ago, Casey West gave us his views on how the Perl community does and should tolerate novice users of the language. This week, we also bring you a response to that article by Robert Kiesling. He argues that if there is a problem, it's more due to the nature of Perl than the nature of its programmers. http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/12/anti_begin.html Enjoy! SC ============================================================ The 3rd O'Reilly Open Source Convention, July 23-27, 2001 Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina Fueling the Open Source Alternative The Perl Conference 5, XTech2001 Conference on XML (in association with GCA), the 8th Tcl/Tk Conference, the 1st Conference on PHP - 14 tracks keep you informed on the latest innovations - Register by June 22 and Save http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ ============================================================ Parse::RecDescent Tutorial http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/13/recdecent.html?wwwrrr_20010613.txt Parse::RecDescent is a recursive-descent parser generator designed to help to Perl programmers who need to deal with any sort of structured data, from configuration files to mail headers to almost anything. It's even been used to parse other programming languages for conversion to Perl. Jeff Goff explains what Parse::RecDescent does, how to build up grammars, and how to use Parse::RecDescent in your programs. The Beginner's Attitude of Perl: What Attitude? http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/12/anti_begin.html?wwwrrr_20010613.txt Robert Kiesling says that the Perl Community's attitude toward new users is common fare for Internet development and compared to other lists, Perl is downright civil. Using CGI::Application http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/05/cgi.html?wwwrrr_20010613.txt The Common Gateway Interface may well be the backbone of many web applications, but sometimes it can feel dry and monotonous to work with. If you're fed up with "my $query = CGI->new()", Jesse Erlbaum presents a kinder, gentler alternative. Turning the Tides on Perl's Attitude Toward Beginners http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/29/tides.html?wwwrrr_20010613.txt Casey West is taking a stand against elitism in the Perl community and seems to be making progress. He has launched several new services for the Perl beginner that are being enthusiastically received. Taking Lessons From Traffic Lights http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/22/trafficlights.html?wwwrrr_20010613.txt Michael Schwern examines traffic lights and shows what lessons applied to the development of Perl 6. ============================================================ Sponsored by Thawte ** FREE Apache SSL Guide from Thawte ** Planning web server security? Find out how to implement SSL! Get the free Thawte Apache SSL Guide and find the answers to all your Apache SSL security issues and more at: http://www.thawte.com/ucgi/gothawte.cgi?a=n122531080018000 ============================================================ Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies. XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the Inside Out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High-Performance Web Development Site. O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software, and online publishing. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Sun Jun 17 23:36:23 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:29 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] No meeting this week Message-ID: <3B2D8547.2030502@directedge.com> Hello everyone, Under the normal schedule, we would be having a meeting this Wednesday. Unfortunately, the usual meeting place is not available this month, so the meeting is cancelled. Have some fun and get outside in this wonderful weather! -- Brian Mathis Rochester Perl Mongers http://rochester.pm.org -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu Jun 21 22:47:14 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:29 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] [Fwd: Perl Newsletter: Yet Another YAPC Report - Montreal] Message-ID: <3B32BFC2.60908@directedge.com> www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ The 3rd O'Reilly Open Source Convention, July 23-27, 2001 Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina Fueling the Open Source Alternative The Perl Conference 5, XTech2001 Conference on XML (in association with GCA), the 8th Tcl/Tk Conference, the 1st Conference on PHP - 14 tracks keep you informed on the latest innovations - Register by June 22 and save http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ ============================================================ Hello, world! This is Simon Cozens, managing editor of www.perl.com, here to bring you the week's news and developments both in the Perl world and on our own site. * Perl at large. Perl has most certainly been at large over the past week, with the hosting of another successful Yet Another Perl Conference. If you were lucky enough to attend, I don't need to tell you how great it was; if, however, like me, you weren't able to make it, the best way to experience the goings-on has been to read the journals about it on Use Perl and listen to the recordings of the talks. There's a lot to download, but it's a seriously cool resource for those of us who didn't manage to make it to the conference. (Incidentally, thanks to Gnat for recording the talks.) http://use.perl.org/ http://www.crystalflame.net/yapc/ As you might expect, the major focus of the conference has been Perl 6. Unfortunately, Larry was unwell and unable to make the conference (you'll be glad to hear that he's a lot better now) so Damian's keynote explained the history of Perl 6, some of the decisions that have been taken already and gave us an overall sense of how the language is looking. Damian's been a great influence on the language design of Perl 6, and a great help to me personally when I come to him with incessant inane questions about trivial points of syntax. :) There are very few people who can stand in for Larry in a presentation, but Damian did it wonderfully. There was also two hour "town meeting" on Perl 6, with Nat Torkington explaining his views on how Perl 6 was progressing in terms of the social reconstruction of the Perl community. Kirrily "Skud" Robert also spoke up to push the need for coding standards and porting of the standard Perl library to Perl 6. This theme was taken up in the CPAN and modules Birds-of-a-feather session. The other big feature was the "apprenticeship hour". This had people come along and discuss ideas in search of implementors. Gnat took the opportunity to launch his "Python Friendship Project", whereby we're all supposed to make friends with a Python hacker and show her that we're not all completely evil (well, most of us aren't) - and also realise that they're not completely evil either. He also proposed some "killer apps" for Perl. You can look at the schedule for the talks from the conference website, and photos are available from Rich Bowen's site: http://yapc.org/America/ http://buglet.rcbowen.com/photos/yapc_2001/ * What's new on www.perl.com? Carrying on the YAPC news, Schuyler Erle *was* lucky enough to go, and brings a report on the conference's proceedings as our feature article this week: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/21/yapcreport.html I've wrested back control of the perl5-porters summaries from Leon Brocard just for a week; he'll be stepping in again for next week as I head off on holiday. This week, we've seen updates to make Perl compile more cleanly without warnings, and a lot of work on the Darwin (Mac OS X) port; Artur's brave struggle with ithreads continues, and Dave Mitchell astounds us all with a brilliant feat of documentation. http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/p5pdigest/20010617.html Over to Perl 6, Bryan Warnock brings us this week's news: a big debate on the relationship between Unicode and regular expressions, syntax for supporting relational database access, and work on defining the core structure of the Perl 6 interpreter. And speaking of Perl 6 interpreters, I released one. Perhaps you'd better read more: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/p6pdigest/20010616.html Enjoy, and I'll see you in a couple of weeks! SC ============================================================ Sponsored by Macromedia, Creators of ColdFusion Problems meeting tight deadlines? ColdFusion 4.5, the leading Web app server, has the solution with an integrated suite of visual tools, powerful server technology, and an open language environment. Download your FREE evaluation copy today at http://www.oreillynet.com/nlr/network/04/allaire/coldfusion ============================================================ Yet Another YAPC Report::Montreal http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/21/yapcreport.html?wwwrrr_20010621.txt Schuyler Erle gives a detailed report of all the exciting events at this year's Yet Another Perl Conference in Montreal. By his account, it appears to be an exciting time to be involved with the development of Perl. Parse::RecDescent Tutorial http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/13/recdecent.html?wwwrrr_20010621.txt Parse::RecDescent is a recursive descent parser generator designed to help to Perl programmers who need to deal with any sort of structured data, from configuration files to mail headers to almost anything. It's even been used to parse other programming languages for conversion to Perl. Jeff Goff explains what Parse::RecDescent does, how to build up grammars, and how to use Parse::RecDescent in your programs. The Beginner's Attitude of Perl: What Attitude? http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/12/anti_begin.html?wwwrrr_20010621.txt Robert Kiesling says that the Perl Community's attitude towards new users is common fare for Internet development and compared to other lists Perl is downright civil. Using CGI::Application http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/05/cgi.html?wwwrrr_20010621.txt The Common Gateway Interface may well be the backbone of many web applications, but sometimes it can feel dry and monotonous to work with. If you're fed up with "my $query = CGI->new()", Jesse Erlbaum presents a kinder, gentler alternative. ============================================================ Sponsored by Thawte ** FREE Apache SSL Guide from Thawte ** Planning web server security? Find out how to implement SSL! Get the free Thawte Apache SSL Guide and find the answers to all your Apache SSL security issues and more at: http://www.thawte.com/ucgi/gothawte.cgi?a=n122531080018000 ============================================================ Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High Performance Web Development site O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software and online publishing. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Fri Jun 29 08:29:12 2001 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:29 2004 Subject: [roch-pm] Perl.com Newsletter: Why Not Translate Perl to C? (fwd) Message-ID: www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ========================================================================= The 3rd O'Reilly Open Source Convention, July 23-27, 2001 Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina Fueling the Open Source Alternative EARLY REGISTRATION EXTENDED UNTIL JULY 2--SAVE $400 JUST ADDED--Microsoft and Red Hat square off in The Great Open Source Debate http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2001/view/e_sess/1834 Register by July 2 and Save http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ ========================================================================== Hello, world! This is Schuyler Erle, perl hacker for the O'Reilly Network, and I am pleased and proud to bring you yet another www.perl.com newsletter. So, without pausing further for station identification, here's what's new and fresh in the world of Perl! * perl -MNews -e 'print @Large' Not a whole lot going on this week; perhaps the Perl community is still reeling from Yet Another Perl Conference 2001 in Montreal, which was just fantastic. YAPC organizer Rich Lafferty has collected several reports (including my own), as well as some nice audio and photo galleries from the conference. Whether or not you made it to YAPC, you might want to check some of these out for some different perspectives - both verbal and visual - on the event. You can find the YAPC:NA reports at: http://www.yapc.org/America/reports.shtml On an unrelated topic, Ask Bjoern Hansen writes on use.perl.org that activity is picking up on the community-sponsored jobs site, jobs.perl.org. "We're getting 1.3 new job postings per day," he reports, "Not a whole lot, but it shows that there's stuff to do even when the economy is not all hyped up." Search features have also recently been added. If you're interested in finding out how it pays to use Perl these days, visit the site at: http://jobs.perl.org Finally, web services have found yet another useful use in the realm of Perl documentation. Looking for a way to find out how a module works, but don't have the module? Enter perldoc-soap! perldoc-soap is a drop-in replacement for the perldoc utility that uses SOAP::Lite to fetch from the CPAN any documention it can't find locally, which is exactly the kind of simple but useful task that web services were intended for. If you're intrigued by the potential of this 21st century replacement for perldoc, check out the perldoc-soap page at: http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/CPAN/perldoc-soap.html * What's new on www.perl.com? Well, gee whiz, what *isn't* new on www.perl.com? We are pleased to announce the first brand-shiny-new redesign of www.perl.com in several years. We think you'll enjoy the new look and feel, and we hope the new layout and added features will enhance your www.perl.com browsing experience. Naturally, we want to continue to make the site more useful and interesting to you, our reader, so we'd love to hear your thoughts and impressions on the new site design. Please feel free to send your feedback to the O'Reilly Network's Editorial Director, Dave Sims, at dave@oreilly.com. This week, we're also glad to present a short feature from editor emeritus Mark-Jason Dominus on the issues behind converting perl code into C. Converting perl to C, and then compiling the resulting C code, seems like an attractive way of leveraging the extremely rapid runtime speed of raw C. Through a tour of some basic concepts from the Perl internals, Mark-Jason demonstrates why Perl-to-C conversation is not as easy nor as much of a win as one might hope, and briefly touches on how this may be changing in Perl 6. Also, with our own Simon Cozens on vacation, Leon Brocard returns with the perl5-porters digest. This week, Leon reports on tweaking the regular expression engine, overloading sprintf, and more. Things have been quiet on the perl6-* lists of late, so Bryan Warnock's next perl6 digest report will return next week. Once again, we hope you like the new www.perl.com! Enjoy. SDE ================================================================= Sponsored by NuSphere NuSphere MySQL Advantage delivers Enhanced MySQL to run your business. Row-level locking, ACID transactions, crash recovery and more are supplied by Gemini, a new MySQL table type that provides the performance, scalability and reliability required by the most demanding applications. Get the NuSphere MySQL Advantage today. Visit http://www.nusphere.com/op ================================================================== *** This Week's Features *** Why Not Translate Perl to C? Mark-Jason Dominus explains why it might not be any faster to convert your code to a C program rather than let the Perl interpreter execute it. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/06/27/ctoperl.html *** This Week on p5p 2001/06/25 5.7.2 in sight, some threads on regular expression, and much more. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/06/p5pdigest/20010625.html *** Yet Another YAPC Report::Montreal Schuyler Erle gives a detailed report of all the exciting events at this year's Yet Another Perl Conference in Montreal. By his account, it appears to be an exciting time to be involved with the development of Perl. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/06/21/yapcreport.html *** Parse::RecDescent Tutorial Parse::RecDescent is a recursive descent parser generator designed to help to Perl programmers who need to deal with any sort of structured data, from configuration files to mail headers to almost anything. It's even been used to parse other programming languages for conversion to Perl. Jeff Goff explains what Parse::RecDescent does, how to build up grammars, and how to use Parse::RecDescent in your programs. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/06/13/recdecent.html ============================================================ Sponsored by Thawte Do you need to manage your INTERNET SECURITY ACROSS MULTIPLE DOMAINS, but can’t afford to spend thousands of dollars. Learn how Thawte’s Starter PKI program gives you a simple and affordable way to manage all your company’s digital certificates, by reading our FREE guide at: http://www.thawte.com/ucgi/gothawte.cgi?a=n419112850024000 ============================================================ Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies. XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the Inside Out. ONLamp.com http://onlamp.com O'Reilly Network's High-Performance Web Development Site. O'Reilly and Associates http://www.oreilly.com/ O'Reilly computer books, software, and online publishing. -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org