From bmathis at directedge.com Mon Jul 3 00:44:26 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] [Fwd: golf invite (fwd)] Message-ID: <3960283A.EE2F444E@directedge.com> Any golfers in the group? brian d foy wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:11:24 -0400 > From: Uri Guttman > To: brian d foy > Subject: golf invite > > brian, > > lease forward this to the monger group leaders and ask them to forward > it to their local lists. note, they have first crack at registering and > in a few days i will announce it everywhere else. you can say something > to that effect (and it is in the invitation too). > > thanx, > > uri > > Announcing the First Annual Perl Golf Apocalypse > > Larry Wall, the father of Perl, has observed that the three virtues of a > programmer are laziness, impatience, and hubris. Laziness has been > explained as doing more with less. A variation of that is doing the same > with less. For quite a while the newsgroup comp.lang.perl.misc has had > threads where each poster was trying to solve a basic problem with > shorter code than the previous post. This type of coding competition was > named Perl Golf by Greg Bacon because in both Perl and physical golf the > goal is to finish with the fewest (key)strokes. > > Now the Perl Golf Committee (led by Uri, who conceived the idea) has been > hard at work organizing a Perl Golf Tournament for the 4th Perl Conference > in Monterey this July. > > The Perl Golf Apocalypse (PGA) is for 10 teams, each comprised of up to 3 > Perl hackers. Each team will be given its own computer to use and will > to try to solve a set of simple problems by writing a short piece of > Perl code. Each team must submit its code, which will then be tested and > compared to the answers from the other teams. Each problem (or hole as > we call them) will be given to all the teams at the same time and will > have a time limit (about 5-7 minutes, depending on the hole). There > will be 9 holes in all and after 4 of them the 5 lowest scoring teams > will be cut (just like in real golf tournaments). > > There are three ways to score points on a hole. > > * First, if the code submitted by a team correctly solves the > problem, 1 point is awarded. > > * Second, the correct answer with the fewest keystrokes is awarded 6 > points with the next two runners up getting 5 and 4 points each. > > * Third, the correct answer which was submitted the earliest, is > awarded 3 points with the next two runners up getting 2 and 1 points > each. > > So a team can earn a maximum of 10 points on one hole. It is important > to note that the execution speed of the code is not a factor in scoring. > > The holes will be judged by a Perl script created by us. It will check > the correctness of all the submissions, rank them by the shortest code > and also rank them by the timestamps on the submitted answer files. Then > the script will award points and keep track of scores for each > team. Another script will be used by the commentators to display the > current point totals for the teams, the scoring for a given hole and the > actual code submitted by the teams. > > After all the holes are finished, the teams will be ranked by score, and > from highest to lowest, they will be allowed to choose their prizes. The > prize list includes computers, refrigerators stuffed with booty, cruise > discounts, cdroms, books, clothing, etc. Everyone who enters the > tournament is guaranteed a prize. > > Our two guests, Chip Salzenberg and Chris Nandor will provide > an entertaining commentary on the proceedings. > > This invitation is being sent to the Perl Mongers in advance of other > groups to give you a first chance to register to play in the PGA. > Groups of 3 or 2 registering together as a team will be given preference > over single entrants, so get your local monger group to enter a team. > > Send your registration request to golf@sysarch.com with this > information: > > Monger Affiliation > Team Name > Member Count > Real name and email for each team member > > If you are a single entrant, do you want us to put you on a > team? > > Optionally, tell us your level of perl experience > > You can also visit the Perl Golf page at > http://www.sysarch.com/perl/golf/ which has the PGA rules and > invitation, the prize and sponsor list, a real golfing thread from > c.l.p.misc, and more. > > The Perl Golf Apocalypse Team > > Uri Guttman > Brand Hilton > Ronald Kimball > Larry Rosler > Damian Conway > > -- > Uri Guttman --------- uri@sysarch.com ---------- http://www.sysarch.com > SYStems ARCHitecture, Software Engineering, Perl, Internet, UNIX Consulting > The Perl Books Page ----------- http://www.sysarch.com/cgi-bin/perl_books > The Best Search Engine on the Net ---------- http://www.northernlight.com > > **Majordomo list services provided by PANIX ** > **To Unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe groups" to majordomo@lists.pm.org** -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From RichardWoodward at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 22:36:23 2000 From: RichardWoodward at hotmail.com (Richard Martin Woodward) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) Message-ID: <20000713043654.81812.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello, fellow Perl Mongers. I inquired about using the facilities at the Bausch & Lomb/Rundel library in downtown Rochester. Unless all of the attendees of last month's meeting want to bring $100 each, I think we should look into other options. I personally don't have my $100. Brian, did you have any luck with RIT facilities? How many people plan to attend, anyway? Maybe we'll be stuck with a bar for awhile. Richard RichardWoodward@hotmail.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu Jul 13 15:35:36 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) In-Reply-To: <20000713043654.81812.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Richard Martin Woodward wrote: > Hello, fellow Perl Mongers. > > I inquired about using the facilities at the Bausch & Lomb/Rundel library > in downtown Rochester. > > Unless all of the attendees of last month's meeting want to bring > $100 each, I think we should look into other options. I personally > don't have my $100. > > Brian, did you have any luck with RIT facilities? How many people > plan to attend, anyway? Maybe we'll be stuck with a bar for awhile. > > Richard > RichardWoodward@hotmail.com I haven't had much luck at RIT either. In doing some initial poking around, it seems that using their space would also cost money. Hopefully not $100 per person, but who knows. If there's someone who actually goes to RIT or works there, they may be able to get more info, possibly from an IT or CS professor. In addition to the bar, we did have use of the house/store right next door, "Boldo's Armory". It tends to get pretty stuffy in there in the summer though. We had meetings there early on, but depending on the turnout, it was hard to get everyone in the room. There are also other people who use the area for role playing games, and we have to try to not get in the way. If we stay at the bar, we could just try to get away from the speakers. Last meeting we were right under them :). Any other suggestions? -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From djm at rochester.rr.com Thu Jul 13 15:56:17 2000 From: djm at rochester.rr.com (David Maier) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) References: Message-ID: <000701bfed0c$cc2795c0$47cf5f18@rochester.rr.com> What about a meeting outdoors in a park? It doesn't get really dark until around 9:30 or so. Infinite space. We could even bring a frisbee. :) I don't know, just an idea. David Maier djm@snowville.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Mathis" To: "Rochester Perl Mongers" Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Richard Martin Woodward wrote: > > Hello, fellow Perl Mongers. > > > > I inquired about using the facilities at the Bausch & Lomb/Rundel library > > in downtown Rochester. > > > > Unless all of the attendees of last month's meeting want to bring > > $100 each, I think we should look into other options. I personally > > don't have my $100. > > > > Brian, did you have any luck with RIT facilities? How many people > > plan to attend, anyway? Maybe we'll be stuck with a bar for awhile. > > > > Richard > > RichardWoodward@hotmail.com > > > I haven't had much luck at RIT either. In doing some initial poking > around, it seems that using their space would also cost money. Hopefully > not $100 per person, but who knows. If there's someone who actually goes > to RIT or works there, they may be able to get more info, possibly from an > IT or CS professor. > > In addition to the bar, we did have use of the house/store right next > door, "Boldo's Armory". It tends to get pretty stuffy in there in the > summer though. We had meetings there early on, but depending on the > turnout, it was hard to get everyone in the room. There are also other > people who use the area for role playing games, and we have to try to not > get in the way. > > If we stay at the bar, we could just try to get away from the speakers. > Last meeting we were right under them :). Any other suggestions? > > -- > Brian Mathis > Direct Edge > http://www.directedge.com > > > -- > For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org > -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From Thomas.Dao at usa.xerox.com Thu Jul 13 16:02:47 2000 From: Thomas.Dao at usa.xerox.com (Dao, Thomas H) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) Message-ID: <7C9F0BB3FDC5D3119C5900805FC7361591C9B7@usa0207ms1.eng.mc.xerox.com> Why not goto one of the study rooms in the library of RIT or UR?? -----Original Message----- From: Brian Mathis [mailto:bmathis@directedge.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:36 PM To: Rochester Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Richard Martin Woodward wrote: > Hello, fellow Perl Mongers. > > I inquired about using the facilities at the Bausch & Lomb/Rundel library > in downtown Rochester. > > Unless all of the attendees of last month's meeting want to bring > $100 each, I think we should look into other options. I personally > don't have my $100. > > Brian, did you have any luck with RIT facilities? How many people > plan to attend, anyway? Maybe we'll be stuck with a bar for awhile. > > Richard > RichardWoodward@hotmail.com I haven't had much luck at RIT either. In doing some initial poking around, it seems that using their space would also cost money. Hopefully not $100 per person, but who knows. If there's someone who actually goes to RIT or works there, they may be able to get more info, possibly from an IT or CS professor. In addition to the bar, we did have use of the house/store right next door, "Boldo's Armory". It tends to get pretty stuffy in there in the summer though. We had meetings there early on, but depending on the turnout, it was hard to get everyone in the room. There are also other people who use the area for role playing games, and we have to try to not get in the way. If we stay at the bar, we could just try to get away from the speakers. Last meeting we were right under them :). Any other suggestions? -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu Jul 13 16:00:32 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] O'Reilly Releases "CGI Programming with Perl, 2nd Edition" (fwd) Message-ID: Here's a message I got from ora. All the web-heads might be interested. Also, if anyone is interested in reviewing this book, we can set that up. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Denise Olliffe To: bmathis@directedge.com Subject: O'Reilly Releases "CGI Programming with Perl, 2nd Edition" For immediate release Review copies available Contact: Denise Ollilffe (707) 829-0515 ext 339 or deniseo@oreilly.com EAGERLY ANTICIPATED UPDATE TO "CGI PROGRAMMING ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB" UNLEASHED O'Reilly & Associates has announced the release of "CGI Programming with Perl" by Scott Guelich, Shishir Gundavaram, and Gunther Birznieks. Based on the best-selling "CGI Programming on the World Wide Web", this edition has been completely rewritten to demonstrate current techniques available with the CGI.pm module and the latest versions of Perl. The Common Gateway Interface (CGI) is one of the most powerful methods of providing dynamic content on the Web. CGI is a generic interface for calling external programs to crunch numbers, query databases, generate customized graphics, or perform any other server-side task. Since the release of the popular first edition of "CGI Programming with Perl", CGI has changed a great deal. "Just a handful of years ago, CGI scripts were more of a novelty than practical; they were associated with hit counters and guest books, and were written largely by hobbyists," says Scott Guelich. "Today, CGI scripts, written by professional web developers, provide the logic to power much of the vast structure that the Internet has become." "When I look back at how many improvements have been made in Perl, web technologies, and all the modules people have written, as well as the global infrastructure improvements to the Web, I am astounded by what has been accomplished by the open source community," agrees co-author Gunther Birznieks. New topics covered in the second edition of "CGI Programming with Perl" include incorporating JavaScript for form validation, controlling browser caching, making CGI scripts secure in Perl, working with databases, creating simple search engines, maintaining state between multiple sessions, generating graphics dynamically, and improving performance of CGI scripts. About O'Reilly's New Edition Discount: If you have the first edition of "CGI Programming with Perl", O'Reilly will give you a 30% discount on the purchase price of the newer edition on orders directly from the publisher. You must send in the original title page to get the discount-no photocopies allowed. If you have any questions or comments, please contact a representative from O'Reilly's Customer Service department (800-998-9938) or email order@oreilly.com. Chapter 8, Security, is available free online at: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cgi2/chapter/ch08.html For more information about the book, including Table of Contents, index, author bio, and samples, see: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cgi2/ For a cover graphic in jpeg format, go to: ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/graphics/book_covers/hi-res/1565924193.jpg # # # CGI Programming with Perl, 2nd Edition By Scott Guelich, Shishir Gundavaram, and Gunther Birznieks 2nd Edition July 2000 1-56592-419-3, 472 pages, $34.95 order@oreilly.com 1-800-998-9938 http://www.oreilly.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu Jul 13 17:12:24 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) In-Reply-To: <7C9F0BB3FDC5D3119C5900805FC7361591C9B7@usa0207ms1.eng.mc.xerox.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Dao, Thomas H wrote: > Why not goto one of the study rooms in the library of RIT or UR?? Interesting.. just show up, what can they do? :) Does anyone happen to know the hours for the libraries, and what are their policies on reserving a room, if necessary, etc.. ? -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From Thomas.Dao at usa.xerox.com Thu Jul 13 17:32:32 2000 From: Thomas.Dao at usa.xerox.com (Dao, Thomas H) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) Message-ID: <7C9F0BB3FDC5D3119C5900805FC7361591C9BB@usa0207ms1.eng.mc.xerox.com> You can check their websites for summer hours, reserving rooms might need an id. We can meet at the entrance and go from there. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Brian Mathis [mailto:bmathis@directedge.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:12 PM To: 'rochester-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' Subject: RE: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Dao, Thomas H wrote: > Why not goto one of the study rooms in the library of RIT or UR?? Interesting.. just show up, what can they do? :) Does anyone happen to know the hours for the libraries, and what are their policies on reserving a room, if necessary, etc.. ? -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From ats2410 at osfmail.isc.rit.edu Fri Jul 14 09:31:52 2000 From: ats2410 at osfmail.isc.rit.edu (Drew Szemiot) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Next Meeting Site (on July 19, 2000) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian, The Library is open to the public. Just taking out a book and reserving a room requires an RIT ID. If there is anyone who is a member of this group and an RIT student, he/she can reserve a room for you, however the rooms are generally free at night and during the summer there is hardly anyone using them in the evening unless its the week before finals. I suggest just joining in the main entryway and then seeking out a room anywhere on the 2nd or 3rd floor. You can leave a note telling others who come later what room # you guys are in on the main entrance door downstairs. I wish I could help reserve a room, but I'm in New Jersey for the summer. Enjoy, Drew On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Brian Mathis wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Dao, Thomas H wrote: > > Why not goto one of the study rooms in the library of RIT or UR?? > > > Interesting.. just show up, what can they do? :) > > Does anyone happen to know the hours for the libraries, and what are their > policies on reserving a room, if necessary, etc.. ? > > -- > Brian Mathis > Direct Edge > http://www.directedge.com > > -- > For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org > -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Tue Jul 18 22:41:13 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Meeting this Wednesday Message-ID: <39752359.578EB7C6@directedge.com> We have a meeting this Wednesday (July 19) at 8:00pm. We've had some discussions about changing the meeting location to someplace easier to work in, but we haven't really made a conclusion yet. I've looked into the hours for the RIT library, and they close at 8pm in the summer. Unless we want to move to an earlier time, which might be harder for people to attend, we can't use RIT, at least for the summer. The other option is to pay $100 per person to use a city library.. I don't think we want to do that.. :) So, for now, probably the best thing to do is to meet at Monty's Crown this time, and try to come up with more ideas about where to move to, unless anyone else has some last minute ideas... A some topics I'd like to talk about: - meeting place - our web site Also, last meeting a few people brought up issues they ran into with programs they've written. We talked through them, and I think it was beneficial for everyone. If anyone has anything they'd like to go over, please bring a printout to the meeting. See you there! -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From twilight at eznet.net Wed Jul 19 02:58:53 2000 From: twilight at eznet.net (the wilders) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] new to list ... and perl In-Reply-To: <39752359.578EB7C6@directedge.com> Message-ID: Hello, I dont know of the protocol of introducing one's self to the list, so please dont be alarmed if I seem a bit uneasy. I am new to perl, and I am in the process of teaching myself ... if that is all possible. I joined this list hoping it will help me keep focused as well as an option to ask someone a probably easy question as I am sure I wont understand everything I read. So far I have acquired the Sam's Teach Yourself Perl book. Is that a decent book? Anyone suggest a reference guide or any other reading materials which will help me in my endevours? Well, thank you for reading my post. Until next time Jason -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From richardwoodward at hotmail.com Wed Jul 19 00:45:59 2000 From: richardwoodward at hotmail.com (Richard M. Woodward) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] new to list ... and perl Message-ID: <20000719054559.22856.qmail@hotmail.com> Welcome Aboard, Jason! Why don't you come to the meeting on Wednesday (today 7/19/2000) and bring your book for me to look at? I'll bring a few books I can recommend to you. I'll be glad to help get you going in Perl. The meeting's at 8pm in a bar (for now) called Monty' Crown Pub. It is right next door to 891 Monroe Ave Rochester, NY 14620 This is right next to where Monroe Ave crosses over 490. Don't be shy. Jump right in and attend this meeting. Regards, Richard Martin Woodward RichardWoodward@hotmail.com ========================================== >From: the wilders >Reply-To: rochester-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >To: >Subject: [rochester-pm-list] new to list ... and perl >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:58:53 -0700 > >Hello, I dont know of the protocol of introducing one's self to >the list, so please dont be alarmed if I seem a bit uneasy. >I am new to perl, and I am in the process of teaching myself ... if that is >all possible. > >I joined this list hoping it will help me keep focused as >well as an option to ask someone a probably easy question >as I am sure I wont understand everything I read. > >So far I have acquired the Sam's Teach Yourself Perl book. >Is that a decent book? Anyone suggest a reference guide or >any other reading materials which will help me in my endevours? > >Well, thank you for reading my post. > >Until next time >Jason > >-- >For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit >http://rochester.pm.org ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Wed Jul 19 15:26:58 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Perl 6 development begins in earnest (fwd) Message-ID: -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:46:44 -0400 (EDT) From: brian d foy Reply-To: brian d foy To: groups@lists.panix.com, news@perl.org, perl-mongers-announce@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Perl 6 development begins in earnest FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE JULY 18, 2000 contact brian d foy, brian+perl6@smithrenaud.com LARRY WALL ANNOUNCES BROAD VISION FOR PERL 6 In his keynote address to the O'Reilly Second Open Source Convention, Larry Wall laid out his vision for the future development of Perl 6. Larry reports that "Perl 6 development has began in earnest". The next version of Perl is a chance for the language developers to both rewrite the internals and externals of Perl based on their experience from developing Perl 5, and Chip Salzenbergs work with Topaz. Larry promises that Perl 6 will be "better, stronger, faster" and that there will be a clear, clean migration path from Perl 5 to Perl 6. A preview release of should be available by next summer. Perl 6 will use a development model that draws from the lessons learned from perl5-porters and other large open source projects such as the Apache web server and the Linux operating system. Development topics will be assigned to working groups which will work under a central project manager. Nat Torkington is the interim project manager. Details will be made available in the Perl 6 section of www.perl.org. The current major release of Perl will continue to be supported. The maintenance track will be led by Jarkko Hietaniemi. Current development tracks, such as Unicode support, will be finished in Perl 5. Interested developers can subscribe to the Perl 6 development mailing list by sending a message to bootstrap-subscribe@perl.org. -- brian d foy Director of Technology, Smith Renaud, Inc. 875 Avenue of the Americas, 2510, New York, NY 10001 V: (212) 239-8985 **Majordomo list services provided by PANIX ** **To Unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe groups" to majordomo@lists.pm.org** -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From twilight at eznet.net Thu Jul 20 01:59:00 2000 From: twilight at eznet.net (the wilders) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] new to list ... and perl In-Reply-To: <20000719054559.22856.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you for the welcome. Unfortunatly, I wasnt able to make the meeting tonite, when is the next one? By then I will have more under my belt and will hopefully be able contribute more. 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The list of courses is huge. It includes something for almost everyone. I find this to be a very worthy cause." --- Ken Horowitz, IT Training Coordinator. -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Thu Jul 20 19:49:14 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] [Fwd: Posting a job announcement] Message-ID: <39779E0A.C06414C6@directedge.com> For anyone interested, here's a job opening in Mass. I figured I'd forward this one to keep people up on the types of jobs around. Gary Silver wrote: > > Hello Brian > > Thanks for your very kind offer. If you can distribute this opening > to your membership that would be great. > > Most appreciatively, > > Gary Silver > Partner > The Shay Group > 318 Indian Trace #527 > Weston, FL 33326 > 800/894-2888 > 954/217-0895 (fax) > www.shaygroup.com > shaystar@gate.net > > Perl/Oracle/Linux Project Leader > > We have a very unique and exciting client who is a pre-IPO e-commerce company > in spectacularly beautiful Western Massachusetts. From what we can see they > are directly on-track to fulfilling the goals set out in their business plan. > By meeting their goals they will be soundly profitable and well on their way > to wildly profitable all before their stock ever hits the market. What?s more > they ?OWN? the niche market they?ve developed. The founders and senior > management (of this team) have developed and managed serious e-commerce > success stories. And they?re at it again! > > They have asked up to help them find a solid project leader skilled in Perl, > MySql or Oracle. In this role you will guide the development efforts of 3-4 > software developers. You?ll be their mentor and go-to person, co-ordinating > tasks and project schedules. You?ll need to be a hands-on developer too (as > you will have projects to develop as well). Additionally, you will set > priorities as to which development projects are taken-on by your group and in > what order. To do that well--you?ll need to come from a context where there > was clearly more work to do than software developers? time to do it all. > Being able to keep the company?s big picture (and long-term needs) in mind > while listening to each business development units request for new > functionality will be critical. While current applications are almost 100% in > Perl (on a Linux platform) with a MySql backend (soon moving to Oracle), the > company is not wed to Per.l and is open to moving to other development choices > down the road. [BTW all your work will be new developmentthere is no > maintenance.] > > The requirements for this position include 5-7 years of software development > experience, demonstrable hands-on project leadership (preferably some of which > was earned in a dot-com environment). Bachelor?s degree in Computer Science or > Math preferred. U.S. Citizen or Permanent Residency required. > > Salary to $75K plus pre-IPO Stock Options > > At 02:37 PM 7/20/00 -0400, you wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Gary Silver wrote: > > > Hello: > > > > > > We have been looking for a Perl Project leader to fill an outstanding > > > position in Western Mass. Is it possible to post a job like this or > > > distribute it to your subscribers? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Gary Silver > > > > There is a mailing list specifically for this type of thing, that will get > > distributed to all in the Perl who have chosen to receive such messages. > > The address is: perl-jobs-announce@hfb.pm.org > > > > Just send the job description to that address, and it will be > > automatically distributed. > > > > If you want, I can forward it to our local group, but most people here > > would probably be looking for telecommuting type of work. > > > > -- > > Brian Mathis > > Direct Edge > > http://www.directedge.com > > > > Name: Perl Project Leader.doc > Perl Project Leader.doc Type: Winword File (application/msword) > Encoding: base64 > Download Status: Not downloaded with message -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From havoc at boldo.com Fri Jul 21 00:34:56 2000 From: havoc at boldo.com (havoc@boldo.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] [Fwd: Posting a job announcement] In-Reply-To: <39779E0A.C06414C6@directedge.com> Message-ID: <3977A8C0.13191.6FC3E25@localhost> On 20 Jul 2000, at 20:49, Brian Mathis wrote: > For anyone interested, here's a job opening in Mass. I figured I'd forward this > one to keep people up on the types of jobs around. If anyone is looking for a job, I strongly recommend dice.com, I posted my resume 4 weeks ago and was flooded with email immediately. The majority of the offers were specific to my posted strengths and resume (perl and oracle). Of course some contacts could be likened to recruiters spamming me, but they're easily ignored. The worst one was someone looking for a spanish speaking VB expert...yep that's me.... I took my time and accepted a great offer in Austin TX with the Cobalt Group. Disclaimer: I have no interest in dice.com, just a satisfied user. Humorous sidenote: I ended a technical interview with Register.com as it began. They'd spammed me the same day. I took that as a bad sign. :) --Patrick Ludwig ICQ#69341059 havoc@boldo.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Sat Jul 22 20:08:32 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Message about spam Message-ID: <397A4590.BA665A17@directedge.com> Recently, this list was spammed. I think it happened before too. In an effort to stop the spam, some changes have been made to the way the list works. The list has been "closed", which means messages will only be accepted if the From: address matches the address you signed up with. This will affect anyone who signed up using one address, and sends messages using a different address. You will no longer be able to do this. This should eliminate all spam coming through the list (not that it was a lot, but better to stop it now). -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Mon Jul 24 15:15:08 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Programming Perl, 3rd edition Message-ID: The long awaited "Programming Perl, 3rd Edition" has finally been released. For any Camels (experienced programmers) out there looking to upgrade, or Llamas (beginners) looking for the next step past "Learning Perl", this is a great book to have around. The 2nd Edition, as good as it was, is now updated with more timely and current documentation, explanations, etc. This edition covers the new Perl 5.6. They seem to have them at http://www.bookpool.com Just search for "Perl", it's right at the top of the list :). -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Mon Jul 24 15:16:57 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] White Camel awards 2000 (fwd) Message-ID: Awards given out to recognize those in the Perl community who have contributed a significant amount of work, to make Perl what it is today. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: brian d foy Reply-To: brian d foy To: groups@lists.panix.com, news@perl.org, perl-mongers-announce@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: White Camel awards 2000 In the lands where the camel roams, the white (albino) camel is a rare and revered individual. The White Camel Awards recognize significant, non-technical contributions to the language and community of Perl. Each award comes with a White Camel trophy and a cash award of $3000. The awards were initiated Perl Mongers and O'Reilly & Associates at the 1999 Perl Conference. == Perl Advocacy - Chris Nandor Chris is one of the leading advocates of Perl. Besides his regular Perl News column available on the Web, in email, and in the print and Web editions of The Perl Journal and maintaining the community discussion site use.perl.org, he is the leading advocate of MacPerl, ported by Matthias Neeracher. Chris is the author of the perlport manual page which gives Perl developers a guide to writing portable code. == Perl User Groups - Elaine Ashton Elaine has been active in Perl Mongers almost since its beginning. She has been involved in the New York, St. Louis, and Boston Perl user groups which were some of the first user groups to get started. She donated time and resources which have been invaluable in helping to establish other new user groups, and she has hosted large user group meetings and social events at her home. == Perl Community - Nat Torkington Nat has been involved in many areas of Perl besides his many technical contributions. He's a major contributor to the core Perl documentation and the Perl FAQ, senior editor of The Perl Journal, moderator of the Perl advocacy mailing list (among others), and has been the program chair for The Perl Conference in 1999 and 2000. Nat is the coauthor of The Perl Cookbook from O'Reilly & Associates. White Camel 2000 Sponsors O'Reilly & Associates, www.oreilly.com Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc., www.stonehenge.com MindSource, www.mindsource.com Collab.net, www.collab.net WorkSpot, www.workspot.com OpenAvenue, www.openave.com -- brian d foy Director of Technology, Smith Renaud, Inc. 875 Avenue of the Americas, 2510, New York, NY 10001 V: (212) 239-8985 -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From jpt at cif.rochester.edu Fri Jul 28 13:12:00 2000 From: jpt at cif.rochester.edu (Jonathan P Tomer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Weekly meeting info? Message-ID: <200007281812.OAA07429@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> hi there, i'm a university of rochester student and i noticed that the weekly meetings are in a pretty inconvenient place for many people. i would like to volunteer some space on the UR campus for the meetings, but before i can reserve any rooms i'll need to have some clue how many people will generally show up. so: is there any interest in this, does anybody have an attendance estimate, and is the wednesday at 8pm time that's posted on the website cool with everyone? --p. "Don't ask me, lady. I live in beer." -- Fish (www.goats.com) PGP 5.0 key (0xE024447449) at http://cif.rochester.edu/~jpt/pubkey.txt -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Fri Jul 28 13:57:57 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Weekly meeting info? In-Reply-To: <200007281812.OAA07429@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Jonathan P Tomer wrote: > hi there, i'm a university of rochester student and i noticed that the > weekly meetings are in a pretty inconvenient place for many people. i > would like to volunteer some space on the UR campus for the meetings, > but before i can reserve any rooms i'll need to have some clue how many > people will generally show up. > > so: is there any interest in this, does anybody have an attendance > estimate, and is the wednesday at 8pm time that's posted on the website > cool with everyone? > --p. Yes! We have been talking about this for quite a while on this list. Actually, it's probably the main thing that's been going on here. We realize that the meeting place was a pain for a lot of people, and are looking for a new place to meet. For the meetings, we've been having somewhere around 4-6 people showing up. I'm sure there would be more if the meeting place was easier to get to though. In any case, we're probably not looking at 30 people just yet :). Wednesday at 8 seems to be as a good a time as any. Take note though, the meetings are monthly, not weekly :). If you want to contact me directly to work out the details, feel free. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From djm at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 28 14:08:59 2000 From: djm at rochester.rr.com (David Maier) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Weekly meeting info? References: <200007281812.OAA07429@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> Message-ID: <000b01bff8c7$4a330060$79cf5f18@rochester.rr.com> I'd like to attend some meetings, i just don't really know my schedule until that day :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan P Tomer" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 2:12 PM Subject: [rochester-pm-list] Weekly meeting info? > hi there, i'm a university of rochester student and i noticed that the > weekly meetings are in a pretty inconvenient place for many people. i > would like to volunteer some space on the UR campus for the meetings, > but before i can reserve any rooms i'll need to have some clue how many > people will generally show up. > > so: is there any interest in this, does anybody have an attendance > estimate, and is the wednesday at 8pm time that's posted on the website > cool with everyone? > > --p. > "Don't ask me, lady. I live in beer." -- Fish (www.goats.com) > PGP 5.0 key (0xE024447449) at http://cif.rochester.edu/~jpt/pubkey.txt > -- > For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org > -- For information on unsubscribing from this list, please visit http://rochester.pm.org From bmathis at directedge.com Fri Jul 28 15:12:50 2000 From: bmathis at directedge.com (Brian Mathis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:19:20 2004 Subject: [rochester-pm-list] www.perl.com: Report on the Perl 6 Announcement (fwd) Message-ID: For anyone interested in what's happenning with Perl 6.. -- Brian Mathis Direct Edge http://www.directedge.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:45:36 -0700 From: www.perl.com update To: perl-update@pepper.oreillynet.com Subject: www.perl.com: Report on the Perl 6 Announcement Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:15:48 -0700 Resent-From: perl-update@lists.oreillynet.com www.perl.com update -------------------------------------- The Email for www.perl.com Subscribers ============================================================ Sponsored by Torrington Interactive, Ltd. perl programmers at Torrington know their print map {chr} (0141, 0x72, 0163, 0x65); from their $_ = ‘101108098111119’; s/(\d{3})/chr($1)/ge; print; Join us if you do too. perljobs@torrington.net http://www.torrington.net ============================================================ Hello, perl.com subscribers. The big, big news this week: The Perl 6 project has begun; Larry announced it last Wednesday at the Perl Conference. Here's a very short summary of the answers to the frequently asked questions: * Perl 6 will be a complete rewrite from scratch. One of the primary goals is to render the Perl internals more accessible and less convoluted. Larry specifically mentioned scrapping the XS extension module system in favor of something better. Nobody knows yet just what the new internals or the XS replacement will be like. * The rewrite will allow Perl to correct a number of old deficiencies of Perl 5. For example, signal handling can be made safe and robust. The threading and Unicode projects have run into snarls because Perl 5 was not designed with threading or Unicode in mind, and these major subsystems had to be bolted on as well as they could be. Perl 6 will be designed from the start with full support for threading and Unicode. * This is also an opportunity to break backward compatibility and get rid of some of Perl's less endearing features. (Consider the notorious $* variable, for example.) An upward migration path from Perl 5 will be preserved: At the very least, there will be a program that will translate Perl 5 programs into Perl 6; this program may be Perl 6 itself. Nobody knows yet what will be changed and what won't. * This is also an opportunity to redesign Perl's social structure. All aspects of Perl 5 development were carried out on the perl5-porters mailing list, and were overseen by a person known as the pumpking. This worked well for a while, but Perl has gotten too big. Larry wants to decentralize Perl 6 development. Probably there will be smaller working groups, each focused on one aspect of Perl, such as the parser, or the pattern matching engine. * Perl 5 is not going away. (Why would you expect it to? Even Perl 4 hasn't gone away yet.) Perl 5 will continue to be supported. Maintenance will continue on the Perl 5.6 track. Perl 5.8 will appear as planned, but will probably be the final release of Perl 5. * Larry hopes to have an alpha version of Perl 6 out by the last quarter of 2001. For the original press release about the project, and other materials, see http://www.perl.org/perl6/ For my complete article about Perl 6, see below. *** WHAT'S NEW ON THE SITE? I've posted an article about the upcoming Perl 6 project. Nobody really knows what Perl 6 will be like, but Larry did drop some hints in his State of the Onion talk. I also took notes from the question-and-answer session that followed, which aren't available anywhere else. http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/07/perl6.html Also, Kevin Lenzo of Carnegie Mellon University tells us about how he uses Perl for robotics research and applications. (Kevin Lenzo is also the genius who organized the hugely successful YAPC conferences this year and last.) http://perl.oreilly.com/news/carnegie_0600.html WHAT'S NOT NEW? Because of many conferences, the Perl5-Porters digests are running behind. There were many interesting developments, however; Alan Burlison implemented a new program, which turned out to have large implications, and Simon Cozens submitted a new 'perlhacktut' manual page, about how to hack on the Perl core. All this and more will be appearing later this week. WHAT'S COMING UP? Coming next week, Lightning Conference Reports. (If you were at the conference and you want to write a Lightning Conference Report, send me mail at mjd-tpc-report+@plover.com.) Thank you all. I will be in touch again next week. Mark Dominus Managing Editor Sister Sites: --------------------------------- O'Reilly Network http://www.oreillynet.com The Source for Open and Emerging Technologies XML.com http://xml.com/ XML from the inside out. 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