[Purdue-pm] Fwd: Re: Perl Mongers Tuesday is NOW

Dave jacoby jacoby at purdue.edu
Tue Jul 20 12:15:40 PDT 2010

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Subject: Re: [Purdue-pm] Perl Mongers Tuesday is NOW
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:49:35 -0400
From: Dave jacoby <jacoby at purdue.edu>
To: Bradley Andersen <bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com>

That's not unreasonable. To a certain extent, I'm in agreement with you.
But there is a difference between design and implementation.

Perl[1..5] has one implementation, the master implementation. There was
no specification. Perl behaves like Perl behaves. Perl6 comes from a
specification. That specification is what Larry started dealing with 10
years ago.

Rakudo is an implementation of Perl 6, an instance of the Perl 6
standard, and one (like all others) which is still in progress. It's
built on the Parrot virtual machine, which is also still in progress, I
think. As it's still in progress, the people working on it are narrowly
worried on their specific parts, not documenting the greater whole. Yes,
it is a PITA. Yes, it keeps many from playing with it much less using it
in production environments. I personally going to wait until Mark says
nice things about Rakudo (or whatever implementation works best) for 3
Perl Monger meetings in a row before I start to even think about diving
in. But I'm still glad to hear there's progress, which, honestly, I
didn't hear was happening at all for years.

On 07/20/2010 01:49 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote:
> Maybe I'll get what my mom called a "swift kick in the pants" for this
> question, but:
> We've all seen horrible and non-existent documentation for
> $cool_new_thing.  BUT WHY?? Perl 6 has been in development for what,
> 10 years now? There is no excuse for the documentation to not be
> there.  I would say this about any platform.
> When you write something you expect others to use, tell them what the
> flip it does and how the flip to use it.
> I simply don't understand this.
> \bda
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Rick Westerman<westerman at purdue.edu>  wrote:
>> Today we have a very nice report from Joe on the recent YAPC -- bottom line:
>> nice talks and very nice people.
>> Then Mark gave a short report on the state of Perl 6 and the lack of
>> documentation -- bottom line: not ready for prime time.
>> I went through the 'data presentation' challenge problem and my
>> Template::Toolkit solution -- bottom line: TT is harder to get correct than
>> I thought.
>> Dave then presented his Javascript/CSS solution to the challenge problem --
>> bottom line:  looks nice; are there JS templates that could be used?
>> Next month.  More on Perl 6, Derrick's and my talks on Taverna and Galaxy,
>> more on the challenge problem.
>> --
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