From mark at ecn.purdue.edu  Sun Jul  9 06:20:21 2006
From: mark at ecn.purdue.edu (Mark Senn)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:20:21 -0400
Subject: [Purdue-pm] meetings starting, T-shirts
Message-ID: <17308.1152451221@pier.ecn.purdue.edu>

Purdue Perl Mongers mailing list,

Purdue Perl Mongers meetings are starting in August.  Send me email to
vote for day of week, starting time, and length in minutes you'd like
meetings to be.  And what kind of meeting: at resturant, Purdue meeting
room, etc.  I was thinking of once a month meetings, what do you think?
Include any ideas for presentations you'd like to attend and especially
any presentations you could give.  Getting together a long talk is sometimes
a hassle, maybe several short talks would be a good idea...what do you
think?

Let me know if you'd like to order a shirt:
    Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:19:53 -0500
    From: Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net>
    To: pm_groups at pm.org
    Subject: [pm_groups] Perl Monger t-shirts! I'm gathering orders now.
    
    It's baaaack! Once every 2 years or so since 1996 one or more Perl
    Monger groups have banded together to place a t-shirt order. In 2004 the
    Omaha Perl Mongers and the SouthFlorida Perl Mongers ordered about 60
    shirts.
    
    This is your chance for 2006/2007. (Unless you'd rather go it alone, of
    course. -grin-)
    
    Details:
       http://omaha.pm.org/shirts.shtml
    
    Order cut off is August 8th, 1 month from today.
    
    Be the shwankiest geeks in your area! :)
    
    Cheerio,
    
    j

-mark   Mark Senn, Purdue Perl Monger

From jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu  Sun Jul  9 10:59:26 2006
From: jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu (David Jacoby)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:59:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Purdue-pm] meetings starting, T-shirts
In-Reply-To: <17308.1152451221@pier.ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607091346550.30109-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>

On Sun, 9 Jul 2006, Mark Senn wrote:

> Purdue Perl Mongers meetings are starting in August.
> Send me email to vote for day of week, starting time, and
> length in minutes you'd like meetings to be.

I'll say that I can roll with just about anything, but
Wednesdays are bad for me. 7pm is after work enough so you
can change and eat, but not pushing too far on bedtime.

> And what kind of meeting: at resturant, Purdue meeting
> room, etc.  I was thinking of once a month meetings, what
> do you think?

The talk on PerlMongering at YAPC::NA made a distinction
between social and technical meetings. I think, for the
first one, meeting somewhere at a restaurant and eating,
drinking (soda for me), geeking and planning the techical
meeting for the next month is a good plan. Just look for the
guys with the Perl t-shirts!

Speaking of which, put me down for an XL. If the prices stay
~$6 for XL and under, make it two.

> Include any ideas for presentations you'd like to attend
> and especially any presentations you could give.  Getting
> together a long talk is sometimes a hassle, maybe several
> short talks would be a good idea...what do you think?

I have some YAPC-inspired Javascript/AJAX/JSON/Jemplate
additions to the Stupid Agents talk, if anyone would care.
I'd love to hear more about the Template Toolkit and the way
that Perl6 will be, or any other suggestions.

> -mark   Mark Senn, Purdue Perl Monger

-- 
Dave Jacoby    jacoby at csociety.org
        You never need a plumber until you need one badly


From jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu  Sun Jul  9 23:04:55 2006
From: jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu (David Jacoby)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:04:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Purdue-pm] Monger Meeting Idea, or ...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607100050250.2551-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>

I mentioned that I could pull out my Stupid Agents talk, add
some newer, less-Stupid topics (such as AJAX) that I've been
playing with, then present that. Since screen-scraping is a
big part of what people use Perl for (so much, they wrote a
book about it!), this would possibly be of some interest.

But, I've been working on a framework that would allow
less-Stupid* agents to work upon your data. Thing is, I get
the constitant parts -- the Greasemonkey user.js script that
sends your data to the Agent's server and collects the data,
the Firefox Sidebar that serves as the main focus for
back-and-forth communication between Agent and you, and the
Agent sitting on server doing stuff for you. But while I'm
sure something as simple as a word-search on the last 20
URLs could get you a word sample that you could use to
search Google and get the next piece of the puzzle for
whatever you're working on, I'm less sure where the dividing
line between a "Smart" agent like that Google search would
do, I'm far less sure about what you could do with
"Intelligent" as in AI technologies. If this is a subject
for drawing on a napkin at a social meeting, great. If this
is a subject for a technical talk, great. If this is a
subject noboby here can tackle, fine.  Just stating
something I'm curious about.

*"Stupid" is not a bad thing, unless you make it. "Go get
today's Dilbert and store it where I can find it!" is, when
translated into computer, a perfectly Stupid and a perfectly
wonderful command, except when Scott Adams has a page
redesign and the computer doesn't know where to look
anymore.

-- 
Dave Jacoby    jacoby at csociety.org
        You never need a plumber until you need one badly


From derrick at csociety.org  Mon Jul 10 06:11:17 2006
From: derrick at csociety.org (derrick)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:11:17 -0400
Subject: [Purdue-pm] Monger Meeting Idea, or ...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607100050250.2551-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607100050250.2551-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <44B251F5.2090107@csociety.org>

David Jacoby wrote:

>I mentioned that I could pull out my Stupid Agents talk, add
>some newer, less-Stupid topics (such as AJAX) that I've been
>playing with, then present that. Since screen-scraping is a
>big part of what people use Perl for (so much, they wrote a
>book about it!), this would possibly be of some interest.
>
>  
>

i'm interested in these topics.

dsk

From jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu  Mon Jul 10 08:55:39 2006
From: jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu (David Jacoby)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:55:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Purdue-pm] Monger Meeting Idea, or ...
In-Reply-To: <44B251F5.2090107@csociety.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607101154420.29565-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, derrick wrote:

> David Jacoby wrote:

> >I mentioned that I could pull out my Stupid Agents talk, add
> >some newer, less-Stupid topics (such as AJAX) that I've been
> >playing with, then present that. Since screen-scraping is a
> >big part of what people use Perl for (so much, they wrote a
> >book about it!), this would possibly be of some interest.

> i'm interested in these topics.

Anything strike you as more useful? Screenscraping over
AJAX over RSS formatting over anything else?

-- 
Dave Jacoby    jacoby at csociety.org
        You never need a plumber until you need one badly


From derrick at csociety.org  Mon Jul 10 10:05:07 2006
From: derrick at csociety.org (derrick)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Purdue-pm] Monger Meeting Idea, or ...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607101154420.29565-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607101154420.29565-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <44B288C3.5030000@csociety.org>

David Jacoby wrote:
> Anything strike you as more useful? Screenscraping over
> AJAX over RSS formatting over anything else?
>
>   
i do screen-scraping now in python and to see how others do it in perl
might be useful. i dont do a lot of web development, but if there are
other things you can do with AJAX besides moving boxes around on my
website, i'd be interested in that. i'm not real familiar with what ajax
does, just heard people use it in web development.

i should be learning about web services, i.e. having an application
phone home to the mothership probably via SOAP, do some processing, and
send the data back.

my list with most interested at the top is:
1) web services and SOAP
2) AJAX or Stupid Agents (i haven't see this talk)
3) screen-scrapping stuff

dsk


From jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu  Mon Jul 10 13:21:15 2006
From: jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu (David Jacoby)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:21:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Purdue-pm] Monger Meeting Idea, or ...
In-Reply-To: <44B288C3.5030000@csociety.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607101547330.10280-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, derrick wrote:

> i do screen-scraping now in python and to see how others
> do it in perl might be useful. i dont do a lot of web
> development, but if there are other things you can do with
> AJAX besides moving boxes around on my website, i'd be
> interested in that. i'm not real familiar with what ajax
> does, just heard people use it in web development.

There's more (there's always more), but AJAX can actually be
replaced by one word: XMLHttpRequest. You've always been
able to do something like:
    document.getElementById('foo').innerHTML = foo ;
but the problem is getting a new foo once the page has
loaded. That's where AJAX gets cool.

> i should be learning about web services, i.e. having an application
> phone home to the mothership probably via SOAP, do some processing, and
> send the data back.

I'm only familiar with that in the buzzword sense right now,
but by the time I give my talk, who knows?

> my list with most interested at the top is:
> 1) web services and SOAP
> 2) AJAX or Stupid Agents (i haven't see this talk)
> 3) screen-scrapping stuff

The short form of that Stupid Agents talk would be "Perl.
LWP. HTML::Parse. XML::RSS. crontab. Questions?", or at
least would've been before AJAX. Now? I'm working one
something that'll begin to allow me to begin looking at
Smart Agents and thinking about Intelligent Agents.

But I don't want to give the talk here, do I?

-- 
Dave Jacoby    jacoby at csociety.org
        You never need a plumber until you need one badly


From jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu  Wed Jul 19 10:26:53 2006
From: jacoby at csociety.ecn.purdue.edu (David Jacoby)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:26:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Purdue-pm] Initial Meeting?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0607191208490.25714-100000@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu>

Is there any thought as to when and where? I'm thinking that
a small group social meeting before the start of school
would be a good idea. Recent headlines at use.perl.org lead
me to think that we could use that and other forums to
expand our reach. Also, looking at the pm.org site, it seems
that purdue.pm is the only perlmongers group in Indiana, so
contacting other user groups in this state might be a good
idea and a way to expand membership beyond Purdue.

-- 
Dave Jacoby    jacoby at csociety.org
        You never need a plumber until you need one badly