From rj at petamem.com Mon Mar 10 04:01:49 2003 From: rj at petamem.com (Richard Jelinek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:55 2004 Subject: APM: 5th German Perl-Workshop Message-ID: <20030310110149.A13947@petamem.com> PetaMem @ 5th German Perl-Workshop Hi, I would like to give you a brief summary about the 5th German Perl-Workshop (www.perl-workshop.de) I attended this year in Bonn. The workshop took place from March 5th to 7th with approx. 120 visitors, most of them from Germany, but some from England and Holland, and at least one from the Czech Republic. :-) PetaMem was sponsoring this event and I had an opportunity to hold a speech about Perl and AI (in German) in general. People were really interested in the things we're doing, but they were even more fascinated about the coding guidelines and the disciplinary approach we're taking in the development of our systems (I was asked so I told them about PPCG and so on). Well - it was a Perl conference after all... The conference wasn't held at the university Bonn-RheinRuhr as all the past years, but at the Gustav Streseman Institute. Reason for this was, that the university tried to charge some ridiculous amount for the talk rooms. I personally didn't like the GSI very much, but the organization seemed to be confident with it. But I also had the time to attend many talks about progress done in Perl or new Modules. Here's my impression. Perl6: Apocalypse6 is going to be out RSN, but as you may know the Apocalypse Numbers are oriented on the chapters of the camel book and there are still some 30 to go.. My personal opinion is, that Perl6 is a really cool language BUT I seriously doubt, that any normal minded person or the average programmer ever will grasp it. The other personal opinion is, that I seriously doubt, that Perl6 is ever going to be completed. Parrot is closely coupled with Perl6 and other Languages development. It should be out in version 0.0.9 or so really soon now. No new demo or anything has been shown. POE: I heard a talk about a Web-based centralised monitoring system that used POE (Perl Object Environment), I also heard a small talk about some LWP-scripting using POE. My thoughts about POE are twofold. On one hand it seems to be a pretty framework for transparent nice inter-process communication between Perl-Processes and probably I will let a developer at PetaMem have a look at it for our distributed C/S system. But on the other hand this POE is no real multitasking, but more of a "time-slicing" being much more similar to something we know as "cooperative multitasking". This approach of course eases several things, but as we know from Win3.11 (and similar), cooperative multitasking isn't really the technology of the future. CPAN: CPAN is often considered as the holy cow of Perl. Many talk of it as the "Perl Killer-Application". Well I mentioned - of course jokingly - that "Yeah - it IS the Perl-Killer Application. Because if CPAN isn't going to kill Perl - nothing will." Why this? It is our experience, that many of the CPAN modules don't stand to high quality standards. Often you have several modules for one task and have to decide (search) which one is best, often finding yourself in the need of reimplementing it, or heavy bugfixing. Especially at the social event on the first day I had the opportuinty to some interesting talks about CPAN and found, that some kind of a moderated CPAN, CPAN with voting/download statistics, CPAN with providing infos of test-feedback from the installed modules worldwide would significantly improve the value of CPAN. This is something the CPANPLUS module is trying to provide as backend, but still much conceptional and implementational work on some WEB-frontend/search remains to do. This could be an very rewarding quest for a hitherto unknown Perlmonks-LUG (hint hint). :-) Others: You will find the complete timetable of the (mostly german) talks here http://www.perl-workshop.de/2003/times.epl Several of these talks were known to me before, e.g. Mark Overmeers Mail:: modules tutorial, the (qualified) PHP and Perl comparison done by Brigitte Jellinek. Several interesting CPAN modules were mentioned in the Lightning talks. The most interesting (and definitedly something we will give a try at PetaMem was CPANPLUS. All in all the Workshop was nice, but I had quite the impression, that not everyone found it as nice or as interesting as the last workshop. Well - if you're hard with your decisions, then you can state that its practically the same and for an experienced Perl hacker not very much new facts were presented. On the other hand these Workshops are about contacts and to keep touch with the community and yes - there were many familiar faces. -- best regards, Dipl.-Inf. Richard Jelinek - PetaMem s.r.o. - Ocelarska 1 - Prague - www.petamem.com - -= 2026049 Mind Units =- Legal/Rechtliches: This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Diese E-Mail enth?lt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. 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From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Wed Mar 26 06:28:36 2003 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:55 2004 Subject: APM: FWD: Announce: Linuxbierwanderung Message-ID: <3E81AB04.25040.7EEDC59@localhost> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:01:48 +0000 From: David Cantrell Sorry for the intrusion, but I thought prague.pm people would be interested in the annual Linuxbierwanderung which is to be held in Slovakia this year. -- David Cantrell ===== Jenda@Krynicky.cz === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ===== When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rj at petamem.com Wed Mar 26 06:37:43 2003 From: rj at petamem.com (Richard Jelinek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:55 2004 Subject: APM: FWD: Announce: Linuxbierwanderung In-Reply-To: <3E81AB04.25040.7EEDC59@localhost> References: <3E81AB04.25040.7EEDC59@localhost> Message-ID: <20030326133743.B476@petamem.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 01:28:36PM +0100, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > Sorry for the intrusion, but I thought prague.pm people would be > interested in the annual Linuxbierwanderung > > which is to be held in Slovakia this year. Really nice. You know when the first LBW was? 1996 in the Alps. Initiated by Bodo Bauer - a former SuSE technician - and me. Yes, it was already NAMED Linuxbierwanderung. About 20 people attended. -- best regards, Dipl.-Inf. Richard Jelinek - PetaMem s.r.o. - Ocelarska 1 - Prague - www.petamem.com - -= 2026049 Mind Units =- Legal/Rechtliches: This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Diese E-Mail enth?lt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rj at petamem.com Wed Mar 26 06:41:02 2003 From: rj at petamem.com (Richard Jelinek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:55 2004 Subject: APM: Something Perl related... Message-ID: <20030326134102.C476@petamem.com> Now for something completedly different - Perl-related. :-) The first incarnation of our NLP Portal has been inofficially launched. We will do some official announcement by 31.3. in Germany and 2.4 here in the Czech republic. Until thenthis is a pre-pre-test-trial. The complete site is based on mod_perl 2 and Apache 2, the backend is a DB and (mostly) Perl. Have fun. -- best regards, Dipl.-Inf. Richard Jelinek - PetaMem s.r.o. - Ocelarska 1 - Prague - www.petamem.com - -= 2026049 Mind Units =- Legal/Rechtliches: This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Diese E-Mail enth?lt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rj at petamem.com Tue Apr 1 09:25:17 2003 From: rj at petamem.com (Richard Jelinek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:55 2004 Subject: APM: www.cpan.org STOLEN!!! Message-ID: <20030401172517.A23318@petamem.com> See http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=247102 >It seems that CPAN has forgotten to renew its domain contract; the >domain has now been snatched away by Matt Wright. http://www.cpan.org >is now a portal to Matt Wrights script archive. > >I called Jarkko, but it seems he's so upset about what happened, he >started drinking and he's unable to speak at the phone. > >Abigail And look at www.cpan.org. Poor Jarkko... -- best regards, Dipl.-Inf. Richard Jelinek - PetaMem s.r.o. - Ocelarska 1 - Prague - www.petamem.com - -= 2026049 Mind Units =- Legal/Rechtliches: This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Diese E-Mail enth?lt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From lacravate at mongueurs.net Mon Apr 28 11:27:31 2003 From: lacravate at mongueurs.net (David Elbez) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:55 2004 Subject: APM: YAPC::Europe::2003 Message-ID: <20030428162731.47CD840F3A@kraid.nerim.net> Dear fellow Perl mongers, Your Tsar gave me leave to talk to you directly as we deem it is necessary. My name is David and i am a humble member of the YAPC::Europe::2003 organisation committee. This message is an announcement about... Well guess what...;-) We didn't broadcast any message or announcement before save on "use perl", and generally speaking, we didn't communicate much so we thought we needed to reach as many of you as possible, as quickly as possible too. So here we are and let's start with the basics. As you no doubt already know (but it's harmless to mention it again), the conference will be held this year in Paris on July 23-25, a truly fine time of the year to learn more about Perl and be a visitor in Paris. You will be able to find more and updated information about the conference at this address : http://yapc.mongueurs.net (http://www.yapc.org/Europe/2003/index.html is _not_ up to date even though we are working on it with YAS) You will be able to registrate at this address (you don't have to pay right away) : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/join (Please do it if you feel like coming to the conference, it will help us to count you and prepare things for the best.) If you feel like crossing the line that's separating you from the speaker's crew, the gurus, or if you are already one, this page will show how to submit your talk : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/static/cft.html If you know a person or company who wants to sponsor the conference, you can indicate this page : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/static/sponsors.html Your spouse prefers the Louvre Museum to Perl, mention this after logging there : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/private/ (after you registered) If there are enough people we would be glad to setup something for them. If you feel any sudden and overwhelming Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt ;-) about the conference, you can reach us at this e-mail address : yapc-help@mongueurs.net Eventually, you will find a few informations about Paris itself handy on this first website, along with the french yellow pages (with area maps) on this second one : http://www.paris.org/ http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pj.cgi? http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pj.cgi?lang=en (english version, obviously ;-) There, you will be able to realise how truly in the center, and thus nicely located, the venue is. We insisted on having the conference as close to the center of Paris as could be to allow the attendees to easily turn themselves into happy tourists. That's why we found a most prestigious venue, an old and venerable, partly gothic building, right in the center of our city. (you can have a glimpse of it on the website) That point, being definitely a good one, unfortunately doesn't come without its drawback. This is where we're leaving the basics. Paris is the most visited city in the world and you will be there in its center at the hotest part of the year, on the temperature but also the tourism point of view. We do want to warn you that, under these conditions, finding a transport for the precise date you would have choosen, but moreover finding a hotel as close to the venue as you would wish it, won't be a trifling matter at all. The conference is approximately 3 months ahead of us and we can assure you that it's already none too soon to look at what you want, where, at which price. Aware and concerned about this critical issue, we are willing to help you as much as we can, as much as Paris conditions allow. Our idea is to carry on one of the main concepts of YAPC : getting together, during and after the talks. Here is how we plan to achieve this : for each "pack" of ten willing to get together, a member of the "hotel team" will try and find hotel rooms in the same hotel for those people. So if you are a group of ten or more people (there are some in Europe), or even though you are less than that but you would be glad to "pack", send an email to this address, giving as much specification as you can. yapc-accomodation@mongueurs.net If we find a suitable place, we will send you an e-mail back giving you the number to call to book your room. Don't send an e-mail 5 days before the conference, we are there for help not emergency (let alone despair :). We don't promise anything for any appeal within the last 30 days. This announcement comes to an end, i hope it was of interest and help. Don't hesitate to send an e-mail to any of the addresses you know now, including mine. Feel free to ask or reject my writing to you again on this list. In any case, I hope as well to see you pretty soon in Paris. Best regards, David for the YAPC organisation team. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From lacravate at mongueurs.net Mon Apr 28 11:29:28 2003 From: lacravate at mongueurs.net (David Elbez) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: YAPC::Europe::2003 Message-ID: <20030428162928.1018740FA2@kraid.nerim.net> Dear fellow Perl mongers, Your Tsar gave me leave to talk to you directly as we deem it is necessary. My name is David and i am a humble member of the YAPC::Europe::2003 organisation committee. This message is an announcement about... Well guess what...;-) We didn't broadcast any message or announcement before save on "use perl", and generally speaking, we didn't communicate much so we thought we needed to reach as many of you as possible, as quickly as possible too. So here we are and let's start with the basics. As you no doubt already know (but it's harmless to mention it again), the conference will be held this year in Paris on July 23-25, a truly fine time of the year to learn more about Perl and be a visitor in Paris. You will be able to find more and updated information about the conference at this address : http://yapc.mongueurs.net (http://www.yapc.org/Europe/2003/index.html is _not_ up to date even though we are working on it with YAS) You will be able to registrate at this address (you don't have to pay right away) : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/join (Please do it if you feel like coming to the conference, it will help us to count you and prepare things for the best.) If you feel like crossing the line that's separating you from the speaker's crew, the gurus, or if you are already one, this page will show how to submit your talk : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/static/cft.html If you know a person or company who wants to sponsor the conference, you can indicate this page : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/static/sponsors.html Your spouse prefers the Louvre Museum to Perl, mention this after logging there : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/private/ (after you registered) If there are enough people we would be glad to setup something for them. If you feel any sudden and overwhelming Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt ;-) about the conference, you can reach us at this e-mail address : yapc-help@mongueurs.net Eventually, you will find a few informations about Paris itself handy on this first website, along with the french yellow pages (with area maps) on this second one : http://www.paris.org/ http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pj.cgi? http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pj.cgi?lang=en (english version, obviously ;-) There, you will be able to realise how truly in the center, and thus nicely located, the venue is. We insisted on having the conference as close to the center of Paris as could be to allow the attendees to easily turn themselves into happy tourists. That's why we found a most prestigious venue, an old and venerable, partly gothic building, right in the center of our city. (you can have a glimpse of it on the website) That point, being definitely a good one, unfortunately doesn't come without its drawback. This is where we're leaving the basics. Paris is the most visited city in the world and you will be there in its center at the hotest part of the year, on the temperature but also the tourism point of view. We do want to warn you that, under these conditions, finding a transport for the precise date you would have choosen, but moreover finding a hotel as close to the venue as you would wish it, won't be a trifling matter at all. The conference is approximately 3 months ahead of us and we can assure you that it's already none too soon to look at what you want, where, at which price. Aware and concerned about this critical issue, we are willing to help you as much as we can, as much as Paris conditions allow. Our idea is to carry on one of the main concepts of YAPC : getting together, during and after the talks. Here is how we plan to achieve this : for each "pack" of ten willing to get together, a member of the "hotel team" will try and find hotel rooms in the same hotel for those people. So if you are a group of ten or more people (there are some in Europe), or even though you are less than that but you would be glad to "pack", send an email to this address, giving as much specification as you can. yapc-accomodation@mongueurs.net If we find a suitable place, we will send you an e-mail back giving you the number to call to book your room. Don't send an e-mail 5 days before the conference, we are there for help not emergency (let alone despair :). We don't promise anything for any appeal within the last 30 days. This announcement comes to an end, i hope it was of interest and help. Don't hesitate to send an e-mail to any of the addresses you know now, including mine. Feel free to ask or reject my writing to you again on this list. In any case, I hope as well to see you pretty soon in Paris. Best regards, David for the YAPC organisation team. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From lacravate at mongueurs.net Mon Apr 28 11:29:59 2003 From: lacravate at mongueurs.net (David Elbez) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: YAPC::Europe::2003 Message-ID: <20030428162959.1B2F162E44@mallaury.noc.nerim.net> Dear fellow Perl mongers, Your Tsar gave me leave to talk to you directly as we deem it is necessary. My name is David and i am a humble member of the YAPC::Europe::2003 organisation committee. This message is an announcement about... Well guess what...;-) We didn't broadcast any message or announcement before save on "use perl", and generally speaking, we didn't communicate much so we thought we needed to reach as many of you as possible, as quickly as possible too. So here we are and let's start with the basics. As you no doubt already know (but it's harmless to mention it again), the conference will be held this year in Paris on July 23-25, a truly fine time of the year to learn more about Perl and be a visitor in Paris. You will be able to find more and updated information about the conference at this address : http://yapc.mongueurs.net (http://www.yapc.org/Europe/2003/index.html is _not_ up to date even though we are working on it with YAS) You will be able to registrate at this address (you don't have to pay right away) : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/join (Please do it if you feel like coming to the conference, it will help us to count you and prepare things for the best.) If you feel like crossing the line that's separating you from the speaker's crew, the gurus, or if you are already one, this page will show how to submit your talk : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/static/cft.html If you know a person or company who wants to sponsor the conference, you can indicate this page : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/static/sponsors.html Your spouse prefers the Louvre Museum to Perl, mention this after logging there : http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/private/ (after you registered) If there are enough people we would be glad to setup something for them. If you feel any sudden and overwhelming Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt ;-) about the conference, you can reach us at this e-mail address : yapc-help@mongueurs.net Eventually, you will find a few informations about Paris itself handy on this first website, along with the french yellow pages (with area maps) on this second one : http://www.paris.org/ http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pj.cgi? http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pj.cgi?lang=en (english version, obviously ;-) There, you will be able to realise how truly in the center, and thus nicely located, the venue is. We insisted on having the conference as close to the center of Paris as could be to allow the attendees to easily turn themselves into happy tourists. That's why we found a most prestigious venue, an old and venerable, partly gothic building, right in the center of our city. (you can have a glimpse of it on the website) That point, being definitely a good one, unfortunately doesn't come without its drawback. This is where we're leaving the basics. Paris is the most visited city in the world and you will be there in its center at the hotest part of the year, on the temperature but also the tourism point of view. We do want to warn you that, under these conditions, finding a transport for the precise date you would have choosen, but moreover finding a hotel as close to the venue as you would wish it, won't be a trifling matter at all. The conference is approximately 3 months ahead of us and we can assure you that it's already none too soon to look at what you want, where, at which price. Aware and concerned about this critical issue, we are willing to help you as much as we can, as much as Paris conditions allow. Our idea is to carry on one of the main concepts of YAPC : getting together, during and after the talks. Here is how we plan to achieve this : for each "pack" of ten willing to get together, a member of the "hotel team" will try and find hotel rooms in the same hotel for those people. So if you are a group of ten or more people (there are some in Europe), or even though you are less than that but you would be glad to "pack", send an email to this address, giving as much specification as you can. yapc-accomodation@mongueurs.net If we find a suitable place, we will send you an e-mail back giving you the number to call to book your room. Don't send an e-mail 5 days before the conference, we are there for help not emergency (let alone despair :). We don't promise anything for any appeal within the last 30 days. This announcement comes to an end, i hope it was of interest and help. Don't hesitate to send an e-mail to any of the addresses you know now, including mine. Feel free to ask or reject my writing to you again on this list. In any case, I hope as well to see you pretty soon in Paris. Best regards, David for the YAPC organisation team. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Fri May 30 08:25:24 2003 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Perl In-Reply-To: <20030530130148.F2ADA385D6@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <3ED777E4.263.4DF1AB7@localhost> From: "M. Remis" > .... mysl?m, ze je docela skoda, ze jste 'sch?zen? se' zrusili; nechci se > nejak vnucovat, ale pokud by se 'cosi' obnovilo/uskutecnilo, urcite bych > docela r?d prisel; to, ze lid? je celkem m?lo (5.5) bych zase nevidel tak > tragicky, protoze se d? alespo? rozumne o necem/leccem 'pohovorit' (ve v?ce > lidech uz to vetsinou b?v? probl?m) ... Ja jsem pro. > .... mel bych takov? n?vrh (z vlastn? zkusenosti v?m, ze to i celkem funguje) > - stanovit nejak? m?sto/dobu (napr. ty x-t? pondelky v mes?ci nen? spatn? > varianta) a kdo chce/muze tak proste prijde; hlavn? ale je, aby to bezelo > !pravidelne! (protoze se na to pak d? zvyknout); My jsme sveho casu meli takhle domluveny cas, i kdyz uz si nepamatuju jaky presne den v mesici to byl. > mel bych i p?r tipu, kde by > se dalo sch?zet - jelikoz uprednostnuji sp?se PoJ?st nez PoP?t, nav?c pokud > mozno s omezen?m kouren?m - takze napr. (v porad? dle kvality kuchyne): U > S?dlu / Klimentsk?, Grosseto / Dejvice, U S?dlu / Vinohrady, Grosseto / n?m. > M?ru, ... coz znamen?, ze i kdyz v dan? term?n nedoraz? (skoro) nikdo, tak se > d? alespon por?dne nadl?bnout ;-) , takze to ve fin?le nen? ztracen? cas ... Naprosty a bezvyhradny souhlas :-) Misto je mi celkem jedno, ja se snadno dostanu kamkoli. > M.R. > > P.S.: !nikdy! nemohu prvn? ?terky v mes?ci Takze prida se jeste nekdo? Jake datum a misto by vyhovovalo ostatnim? Jenda ===== Jenda@Krynicky.cz === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ===== When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Tue Oct 14 12:28:03 2003 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: Looooking for a job? Message-ID: <3F8C4E43.7352.2AE46785@localhost> Sorry to bother with ads on an otherwise dead silent mailing list :-} We (Monster Worldwide/TMP Worldwide) are hiring. Lots of people. There are two Perl related positions. One is in my team, the other is in something incorrectly called "Web Services" team. For my team I would need someone with at least some Perl skills (not necessarily anything advanced at first, I can teach you/him/her) and some ASP skills (VBScript, HTML, clientside JavaScript, etc.) The main project we are working on is called VIPeR and it is a system for distribution of job related adds to multiple job servers (Monster.com, Hotjobs.com, ... ). The web interface of the system in in ASPs, some backend services are Perl (the new ones), some are VB, the database is MS SQL. We are also in charge of some internal tools written in Perl and some small web-based apps. The second position is on Monster.xxx itself. The person should be heavy on regexps and HTML 'cause he'll spend his time tweaking the Monste site into client-specific versions. (Sorry can't give much info on this. I just know he (or she:) needs to have good Perl, good HTML, good XML and at least some ASP.) If anyone was interested /s?he/ can mail me a CV or call me at 296 509 579. We are situated at Vaclavske namesti 11, the Darex building. Thanks, Jenda P.S.: Na obe pozice je samozrejme potreba anglictina. V pripade te prvni vpodstate staci pasivni, u te druhe musi byt dobra, protoze vetsina teamu i tady v Praze mluvi pouze anglicky! P.P.S.: Pokud mate nejake zname se zkusenostmi s ASP nebo ASP.NET, berem taky! ===== Jenda@Krynicky.cz === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ===== When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rv at petamem.com Fri Oct 17 04:46:48 2003 From: rv at petamem.com (Roman Vasicek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: generovani a parsovani XML Message-ID: Zdravim, zabyval se jiz nekdo z Vas hloubeji uvedenym tematem? Potrebuji provest synchronizaci dat na dvou strojich. Mel jsem predstavu, ze pouziji nejaky prepis datove struktury do XML. Jako velmi nadejny se jevil modul XML::Dumper ktery by mel umet prepis datove struktury do XML a zpet. Pri provedenych testech mi vsak pro vetsi mnozstvi dat a slozitejsi struktury nevyprodukuje zadny vystup. Muzete mi neco doporucit? Struktury obsahuji pouze skalary, hashe a pole. Existuje neco primo pouzitelneho (vcetne prikladu), nebo si budu muset vytvorit vlastni DTD a pouzit nejaky obecny parser a generator? Predem diky Roman -- best regards Ing. Roman Vasicek software developer +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ PetaMem s.r.o., Ocelarska 1, 190 00 Praha 9 - Liben, Czech republic http://www.petamem.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Fri Oct 17 05:07:37 2003 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: generovani a parsovani XML In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F8FDB89.10571.4D9B92A@localhost> From: Roman Vasicek > zabyval se jiz nekdo z Vas hloubeji uvedenym tematem? Potrebuji > provest > synchronizaci dat na dvou strojich. Mel jsem predstavu, ze pouziji > nejaky prepis datove struktury do XML. Jako velmi nadejny se jevil > modul XML::Dumper ktery by mel umet prepis datove struktury do XML a > zpet. Pri provedenych testech mi vsak pro vetsi mnozstvi dat a > slozitejsi struktury nevyprodukuje zadny vystup. > > Muzete mi neco doporucit? Struktury obsahuji pouze skalary, hashe a > pole. > Existuje neco primo pouzitelneho (vcetne prikladu), nebo si budu muset > vytvorit vlastni DTD a pouzit nejaky obecny parser a generator? Nestacil by XML::Simple? Kdyz mu spravne nastavite parametry (FORCEARRAY a podobne) tak by mel byt schopny tu strukturu zakodovat do XML a pak zase nacist zpatky. Ovsem nevim jak velka mate ta data. Ja sice XMLko na prenos dat mezi servery pouzivam, ale to jsou data z SQL serveru a generator ani neni Perl, takze tam skutecne mam vlastin DTDcka a obecny generator a parser. Jenda P.S.: Mozna by bylo lepsi se zeptat rovnou v perl- xml@listserv.ActiveState.com ===== Jenda@Krynicky.cz === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ===== When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rv at petamem.com Fri Oct 17 05:16:04 2003 From: rv at petamem.com (Roman Vasicek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: generovani a parsovani XML In-Reply-To: <3F8FDB89.10571.4D9B92A@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Jenda Krynicky wrote: [...] > Nestacil by XML::Simple? Kdyz mu spravne nastavite parametry > (FORCEARRAY a podobne) tak by mel byt schopny tu strukturu zakodovat > do XML a pak zase nacist zpatky. Mozna ano. Parametr FORCEARRAY jsem jeste nezkousel a mozna proto jsem nim jeste neuspel:) -- best regards Ing. Roman Vasicek software developer +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ PetaMem s.r.o., Ocelarska 1, 190 00 Praha 9 - Liben, Czech republic http://www.petamem.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From pavel at toplist.cz Fri Oct 17 06:21:30 2003 From: pavel at toplist.cz (Pavel Francirek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: Fw: generovani a parsovani XML Message-ID: <005201c394a0$d05fbfc0$af07a8c0@francirekpavel> Tady zdravim, a co pouzit XMLRPC? V te chvili neni potreba se starat o samotny transportni protokol. Pavel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roman Vasicek" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: APM: generovani a parsovani XML > zabyval se jiz nekdo z Vas hloubeji uvedenym tematem? Potrebuji provest > synchronizaci dat na dvou strojich. Mel jsem predstavu, ze pouziji nejaky > prepis datove struktury do XML. Jako velmi nadejny se jevil modul --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Mon Oct 20 06:40:14 2003 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: Meating Message-ID: <3F93E5BE.1834.14A1A774@localhost> It's quite some time since we last met so what about having a meeting sometime soon? I've noticed there are some new people on the list (welcome guys:) so we could all go somewhere and have a little chat :- ) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Uz je to dost dlouho co jsme se naposled sesli takze co byste rikali tomu, zas nekam zajit? Jenda ===== Jenda@Krynicky.cz === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ===== When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rj at petamem.com Mon Oct 20 06:49:55 2003 From: rj at petamem.com (Richard Jelinek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: Meating In-Reply-To: <3F93E5BE.1834.14A1A774@localhost> References: <3F93E5BE.1834.14A1A774@localhost> Message-ID: <20031020134955.A23816@petamem.com> Butchers Meating? :-) Is that your interest for Prague-Pm or doya wanna try the HR acquisition in real mode? I'd like to see a revival of the Prague-Pm, but I think we need some duty to keep it up and going. Radek Staromir told me, that London PM has some technical and social agenda. I vote for a more "professional" approach to Prague PM. We should negotiate some project/action we could do to: - give more sense to the Prague PM existence - make Prague PM more visible outside - contribute to the Perl community - have fun -- best regards, Dipl.-Inf. Richard Jelinek - The PetaMem Group - Prague/Nuremberg - www.petamem.com - -= 3394928 Mind Units =- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From john.robeson at mafra.cz Mon Oct 20 07:07:12 2003 From: john.robeson at mafra.cz (John Robeson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:56 2004 Subject: APM: Meating In-Reply-To: <20031020134955.A23816@petamem.com> Message-ID: I am new to this list (today! :) ), so I would love to get together and 'meet the players' and maybe start to work out some ideas as were suggested below... so, when and where? Jsem tu uplne novej (ode dneska! :) ), tak bych se velmi rad setkal se vsemi zucastnene a mozna i zacalo probrat takovych napadu jaky byly zmineno dole... takze, kdy a kde? -- johnza :) On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 13:49 Europe/Prague, Richard Jelinek wrote: > > Butchers Meating? :-) > > Is that your interest for Prague-Pm or doya wanna try the HR > acquisition in real mode? > > I'd like to see a revival of the Prague-Pm, but I think we need some > duty to keep it up and going. Radek Staromir told me, that London PM > has some technical and social agenda. > > I vote for a more "professional" approach to Prague PM. We should > negotiate some project/action we could do to: > - give more sense to the Prague PM existence > - make Prague PM more visible outside > - contribute to the Perl community > - have fun > > -- > best regards, > > Dipl.-Inf. 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From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Mon Oct 20 08:35:34 2003 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:57 2004 Subject: APM: Meating In-Reply-To: References: <20031020134955.A23816@petamem.com> Message-ID: <3F9400C6.20811.150B3EA4@localhost> From: John Robeson > I am new to this list (today! :) ), so I would love to get together > and 'meet the players' and maybe start to work out some ideas as were > suggested below... so, when and where? > > Jsem tu uplne novej (ode dneska! :) ), tak bych se velmi rad setkal se > vsemi zucastnene a mozna i zacalo probrat takovych napadu jaky byly > zmineno dole... takze, kdy a kde? The only evening I have free this week is Thursday so either that or any day next week. Where is a much harder question. Any suggestions? The only two places that come to my mind are U trajcu : really just an ordinary pub, but with a great cook (near Botanicka zahrada, Albertoc) Bar Polo : Zelivskeho, near Ohrada, the back room should not be too noisy. I don't think either is a very good fit. > On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 13:49 Europe/Prague, Richard Jelinek > wrote: > > Butchers Meating? :-) > > > > Is that your interest for Prague-Pm or doya wanna try the HR > > acquisition in real mode? I would not mind finding a new cow orker there but I promise I wount force anyone. I'll leave my hacks at home ;-) > > I'd like to see a revival of the Prague-Pm, but I think we need some > > duty to keep it up and going. Radek Staromir told me, that London PM > > has some technical and social agenda. > > > > I vote for a more "professional" approach to Prague PM. We should > > negotiate some project/action we could do to: - give more sense > > to the Prague PM existence - make Prague PM more visible outside > > - contribute to the Perl community - have fun I'd be more than happy to pass the "management" of Prague.pm to someone more capable. And I'm definitely not against giving Prague.pm more sense (whatever that means). I'm just afraid I'm too occupied to be able to invest much time and effort into it myself. Jenda ===== Jenda@Krynicky.cz === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ===== When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rj at petamem.com Mon Oct 20 09:08:52 2003 From: rj at petamem.com (Richard Jelinek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:57 2004 Subject: APM: Meating In-Reply-To: <3F9400C6.20811.150B3EA4@localhost> References: <20031020134955.A23816@petamem.com> <3F9400C6.20811.150B3EA4@localhost> Message-ID: <20031020160852.C28081@petamem.com> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:35:34PM +0200, Jenda Krynicky wrote: I'd rather prefer a meeting on our next regular date Nov 3th. Everybody who will attend should claim so here, plus he/she should bring a list of topics to the meeting like: - what would one like Pm to do/be/stand for - how to achieve this Then we should discuss these goals first and probably come to some results and value. > The only two places that come to my mind are > U trajcu : really just an ordinary pub, but with a great cook > (near Botanicka zahrada, Albertoc) > Bar Polo : Zelivskeho, near Ohrada, the back room should not be > too noisy. I know also "Pivni Zalezitost", which has really good things, unfortunatedly very bad parking there. > I'd be more than happy to pass the "management" of Prague.pm to > someone more capable. And I'm definitely not against giving Prague.pm > more sense (whatever that means). I'm just afraid I'm too occupied to > be able to invest much time and effort into it myself. dito. although I'd love to see a good working local Perl community. -- best regards, Dipl.-Inf. Richard Jelinek - The PetaMem Group - Prague/Nuremberg - www.petamem.com - -= 3394928 Mind Units =- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From jms at ok.cz Mon Oct 20 11:54:27 2003 From: jms at ok.cz (M. Remis) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:57 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fw: generovani a parsovani XML Message-ID: <20031020170625.9BBF76C51D@relay.inway.cz> ... zdrav?m vespolek 1) a osm?luji se t?mto drze se vet??t do Va?? diskuze a p?isp?t se 'svou tro?kou do ml?na': p?ed ?asem jsem ?e?il obdobn? probl?m, kter? spo??val v tom, ?e bylo pot?eba 'odkl?dat' datov? struktury na disk pro ev. pozd?j?? zpracov?n?; pou?il jsem na to pom?rn? nez?ludnou funkci - viz p??loha; je to v podstat? asi tot??, co d?l? Data::Dumper, ale z?klad cel? v?ci poch?z? z doby, kdy jsem o vymo?enostech jako je CPAN nem?l ani pon?t?, a m?l jsem pocit, ?e si v Perl-u v?echno ?lov?k mus? ud?lat s?m ... vznikl? 'v?sledek' jest mo?no ulo?it do souboru a p?i zp?tn?m ?ten? vlastn? nen? t?eba d?lat v?bec nic, jenom n?co jako do('JMENO_SOUBORU'); nen? to sice b?hv?jak sofistikovan? ?e?en?, ale mo?n? se bude hodit alespo? jako n?m?t/n?pad; m?m odzkou?eno, ?e lze bez probl?m? zpracov?vat data, kdy ukl?d?n? (tzn. 'textov?') (mezi)v?sledek je i n?kolik MB; nav?c na 'p?ij?mac?' stran? nen? pot?eba starat se v?bec o nic, a to ani o dek?dov?n? - viz ulo?en? v ""; a p?i ukl?d?n? do XML by velikost souboru nebyla v z?sad? o nic men?? (ev. se d? pou??t i nap?. ZIPov?n?, viz Archive::Zip) co se t?k? XML::Simple, tak si dovoluji pouk?zat ne n?kolik men??ch ?skal?: a) implicitn? se zak?dov?v? &<>", co? ale nesta?? (viz znaky s k?dem <32); metodu ESCAPE_VALUE je mo?n? sice 'p?et??it' (ev. nastavit NOESCAPE), ale co potom p?i dek?dov?n? ?!? b) znaky z horn? poloviny tabulky se sice do v?stupu ulo??, ale p?i zp?tn?m ?ten? XMLin spolehliv? !zhavaruje!; tud?? je pot?eba se kompletn? postarat o k?dov?n?/dek?dov?n?, ??m? se elegance/snadnost pou?it? XML::Simple pon?kud vytr?c? ... 2) stran n?jak?ho setk?n? - jsem jednozna?n? pro (dovoluji si p?isp?t sv?m tipem na m?sto, nebo? v?m, ?e tam !nep?ekonateln?! va??: U S?dl?, Klimentsk? ulice, ev. i Vinohradsk?/Balb?nova); zat?m v?m, ?e se mi nehod? datumy 22/29/30/31.10 a 1.11.; jen m? pon?kud d?s? (vzhledem k m?m nevaln?m znalostem), ?e by 'hlavn?m jazykem' m?la b?t angli?tina 3) a kdy? u? jsem se dal do rozepisov?n?, nepoda?ilo se n?komu z V?s zprovoznit n?co jako EmbededPerl/Mason ?i n?co obdobn?ho v prost?ed? ActiveState Perl na Win? I p?es ?adu 'zaru?en?ch' a 'doporu?en?ch' postup? nemohu dos?hnout k??en?ho v?sledku (a to v z?sad? ani nepot?ebuji spou?t?n? p?es ModPerl, ale vysta?il bych si s 'oby?ejn?m' CGI) ... M. Remi? ---------- > From: Roman Vasicek > To: perl@muni.cz; prague-pm@pm.org > Subject: APM: generovani a parsovani XML > Date: 17. ??jna 2003 11:46 > > Zdravim, > > zabyval se jiz nekdo z Vas hloubeji uvedenym tematem? Potrebuji provest > synchronizaci dat na dvou strojich. Mel jsem predstavu, ze pouziji nejaky > prepis datove struktury do XML. Jako velmi nadejny se jevil modul > XML::Dumper ktery by mel umet prepis datove struktury do XML a zpet. Pri > provedenych testech mi vsak pro vetsi mnozstvi dat a slozitejsi struktury > nevyprodukuje zadny vystup. > > Muzete mi neco doporucit? Struktury obsahuji pouze skalary, hashe a pole. > Existuje neco primo pouzitelneho (vcetne prikladu), nebo si budu muset > vytvorit vlastni DTD a pouzit nejaky obecny parser a generator? > > Predem diky > Roman > > -- > best regards > Ing. Roman Vasicek > > software developer > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > PetaMem s.r.o., Ocelarska 1, 190 00 Praha 9 - Liben, Czech republic > http://www.petamem.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org > with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Priklad.pl Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2102 bytes Desc: Priklad.pl (PL File) Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/prague-pm/attachments/20031020/ca82167e/Priklad.obj From Jenda at Krynicky.cz Mon Oct 20 12:59:47 2003 From: Jenda at Krynicky.cz (Jenda Krynicky) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:57 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fw: generovani a parsovani XML In-Reply-To: <20031020170625.9BBF76C51D@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <3F943EB3.25817.15FD2372@localhost> From: "M. Remis" > 1) a osm luji se t?mto drze se vet ?t do Va ? diskuze a p isp t se > 'svou tro kou do ml na': > > p ed asem jsem e il obdobn probl?m, kter spo ?val v tom, e bylo > pot eba 'odkl?dat' datov? struktury na disk pro ev. pozd j ? > zpracov?n?; ... No kdyby nebylo nutne odkladat ta data do XML tak bych osobne doporucil Storable.pm nebo FreezeThaw.pm (oboji na CPANu). > co se t k? XML::Simple, tak si dovoluji pouk?zat ne n kolik men ?ch > ?skal?: > > a) implicitn se zak?dov?v? &<>", co ale nesta ? (viz znaky s k?dem > <32); metodu ESCAPE_VALUE je mo n? sice 'p et? it' (ev. nastavit > NOESCAPE), ale co potom p i dek?dov?n? ?!? b) znaky z horn? poloviny > tabulky se sice do v stupu ulo ?, ale p i zp tn?m ten? XMLin > spolehliv !zhavaruje!; To by se dalo napravit pridanim XML headru specifikujicim kodovani. Default je UTF8cka ale XML simple na to kasle a zadne prekodovani nepodporuje. > tud? je pot eba se kompletn postarat o > k?dov?n?/dek?dov?n?, ?m se elegance/snadnost pou it? XML::Simple pon > kud vytr?c? ... XML je slusne receno totalne na [censored]. XML totiz predpoklada, ze vsechno co se do nej cpe je text a ze si muze hrat s kodovanimi. Krom toho vsechny (AFAIK) parsery jen tak pro srandu kralikum prekoduji to co najdou at uz to bylo v libovolnem kodovani do UTF8cky. Coz v lepsim pripade znamena ze to clovek musi prekodovat zpatky, v horsim ze mu to zhavaruje. Asi by uplne nejlepsi bylo prohnat data quoted-printable kodovanim. Koukal jsem na XML::Dumper, ktery o sobe tvrdi, ze dokaze prevest do XML a zpatky libovolnou datovou strukturu ale taky to neni tak uplne pravda. Sice transformuje data do UTF8cky ovsem nepodarilo se mi najit zpusob jak mu vysvetlit, z jakeho kodovani. Pri nacitani na to kasle uplne. > 2) stran n jak?ho setk?n? - jsem jednozna n pro (dovoluji si p isp t > sv m tipem na m?sto, nebo v?m, e tam !nep ekonateln ! va ?: U S?dl , > Klimentsk? ulice, ev. i Vinohradsk?/Balb?nova); zat?m v?m, e se mi > nehod? datumy 22/29/30/31.10 a 1.11.; jen m pon kud d s? (vzhledem k > m m nevaln m znalostem), e by 'hlavn?m jazykem' m la b t angli tina Myslim, ze U Sadilu uz jsem byl. Proc ne. A s tou anglictinou ... to zalezi kdo prijde :-) Ale ja bych se toho nebal. > 3) a kdy u jsem se dal do rozepisov?n?, nepoda ilo se n komu z V?s > zprovoznit n co jako EmbededPerl/Mason i n co obdobn?ho v prost ed? > ActiveState Perl na Win? I p es adu 'zaru en ch' a 'doporu en ch' > postup nemohu dos?hnout k en?ho v sledku (a to v z?sad ani nepot > ebuji spou t n? p es ModPerl, ale vysta il bych si s 'oby ejn m' CGI) > ... Lituju s tim vam nepomuzu :-( Nikdy jsem to nepotreboval. Jenda ===== Jenda@Krynicky.cz === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ===== When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rj at petamem.com Tue Oct 21 02:17:51 2003 From: rj at petamem.com (Richard Jelinek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:57 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fw: generovani a parsovani XML In-Reply-To: <20031020170625.9BBF76C51D@relay.inway.cz> References: <20031020170625.9BBF76C51D@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: <20031021091751.A31923@petamem.com> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 06:54:27PM +0200, M. Remis wrote: > ... zdrav?m vespolek > > 1) a osm?luji se t?mto drze se vet??t do Va?? diskuze a p?isp?t se 'svou tro?kou do ml?na': > > p?ed ?asem jsem ?e?il obdobn? probl?m, kter? spo??val v tom, ?e bylo pot?eba 'odkl?dat' datov? struktury na disk pro ev. pozd?j?? zpracov?n?; pou?il jsem na to pom?rn? nez?ludnou funkci - viz p??loha; je to v podstat? asi tot??, co d?l? Data::Dumper, ale z?klad cel? v?ci poch?z? z doby, kdy jsem o vymo?enostech jako je CPAN nem?l ani pon?t?, a m?l jsem pocit, ?e si v Perl-u v?echno ?lov?k mus? ud?lat s?m ... Domnivam se, ze takove reseni nepripada k uvaze. Dale tusim ze data o ktere se jedna jsou v UTF-8. -- best regards, Dipl.-Inf. Richard Jelinek - The PetaMem Group - Prague/Nuremberg - www.petamem.com - -= 3394928 Mind Units =- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a mail to majordomo@hfb.pm.org with command "unsubscribe prague-pm" in the message body. From rv at petamem.com Tue Oct 21 03:05:30 2003 From: rv at petamem.com (Roman Vasicek) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:57 2004 Subject: APM: Re: Fw: generovani a parsovani XML In-Reply-To: <20031020170625.9BBF76C51D@relay.inway.cz> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, M. Remis wrote: > ... zdrav?m vespolek [...] > co se t?k? XML::Simple, tak si dovoluji pouk?zat ne n?kolik men??ch ?skal?: > > a) implicitn? se zak?dov?v? &<>", co? ale nesta?? (viz znaky s k?dem > <32); metodu ESCAPE_VALUE je mo?n? sice 'p?et??it' (ev. nastavit > NOESCAPE), ale co potom p?i dek?dov?n? ?!? > b) znaky z horn? poloviny tabulky se sice do v?stupu ulo??, ale p?i > zp?tn?m ?ten? XMLin spolehliv? !zhavaruje!; tud?? je pot?eba se > kompletn? postarat o k?dov?n?/dek?dov?n?, ??m? se elegance/snadnost > pou?it? XML::Simple pon?kud vytr?c? ... Zda se, ze XML::Simple je pro me potreby postacujici. Jelikoz se jedna o data v utf8, tak nepotrebuji zadne prekodovani. Pro export dat mam print XMLout({ 'type' => $export_type, 'timestamp' => $date_from, 'contact' => \@export_data, }, # version 2.02 of XML::Simple needs lowercase keys 'noattr' => 1, 'rootname' => 'export'); a pro import jsem pouzil $data_ref = XMLin($import_data, 'forcearray' => 1); Diky parametru 'forcearray' dostanu vzdy stejnou strukturu. To bylo prave to co mi chybelo ke spokojenosti. Nejak jsem jej puvodne prehledl... :( > 2) stran n?jak?ho setk?n? - jsem jednozna?n? pro (dovoluji si p?isp?t > sv?m tipem na m?sto, nebo? v?m, ?e tam !nep?ekonateln?! va??: U S?dl?, > Klimentsk? ulice, ev. i Vinohradsk?/Balb?nova); zat?m v?m, ?e se mi > nehod? datumy 22/29/30/31.10 a 1.11.; jen m? pon?kud d?s? (vzhledem k > m?m nevaln?m znalostem), ?e by 'hlavn?m jazykem' m?la b?t angli?tina Jsem pro standardni datum (prvni pracovni pondeli v mesici) jenz tentokrat vychazi na 3. 11. 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