From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Tue Nov  3 13:21:15 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:21:15 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Reminder: Meeting 11/05/2015 6:45 PM (Last Meeting
 Until Feb 2016)
Message-ID: <5639254B.6050007@veritablesoftware.com>

Please RSVP if you haven't already!

*I need all RSVPs by Wednesday 11/04/2015 by noon.*

Doug Miles will be presenting "Introduction to Perl 6". The meeting will 
be Thursday 11/05/2015 at 6:45 PM for pizza and 7:00 PM for the 
presentation. Please RSVP so we know how much pizza to order...

Ticketmaster
1375 N Scottsdale Rd
Suite #200
Scottsdale, AZ 85257

The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just South of East McDowell Rd. 
Here is a Google Map with location and parking information:

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200461628741882245806.0004cea13f6b44f7b068a&msa=0&ll=33.465219,-111.922118&spn=0.001748,0.003484

You may park on SkySong Blvd, between the two buildings or in any of the 
uncovered parking to the North. Ticketmaster is on the second floor of 
the South building.
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From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Wed Nov  4 17:37:33 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:37:33 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 11/05/2015 6:45 PM (Last Meeting Until Feb
 2016)
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From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Wed Nov  4 17:52:23 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:52:23 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 11/05/2015 6:45 PM (Last Meeting Until Feb
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From bryan610 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 18:34:58 2015
From: bryan610 at gmail.com (Bryan Lane)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 19:34:58 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Reminder: Meeting 11/05/2015 6:45 PM (Last Meeting
 Until Feb 2016)
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How does perl 6 handle threading?

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015, Douglas E. Miles <doug at veritablesoftware.com>
wrote:

> Please RSVP if you haven't already!
>
> *I need all RSVPs by Wednesday 11/04/2015 by noon.*
>
> Doug Miles will be presenting "Introduction to Perl 6". The meeting will
> be Thursday 11/05/2015 at 6:45 PM for pizza and 7:00 PM for the
> presentation. Please RSVP so we know how much pizza to order...
>
> Ticketmaster
> 1375 N Scottsdale Rd
> Suite #200
> Scottsdale, AZ 85257
>
> The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just South of East McDowell Rd. Here
> is a Google Map with location and parking information:
>
>
> https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200461628741882245806.0004cea13f6b44f7b068a&msa=0&ll=33.465219,-111.922118&spn=0.001748,0.003484
>
> You may park on SkySong Blvd, between the two buildings or in any of the
> uncovered parking to the North. Ticketmaster is on the second floor of the
> South building.
>
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From robert.eaglestone at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 05:04:37 2015
From: robert.eaglestone at gmail.com (Rob Eaglestone)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:04:37 -0600
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Reminder: Meeting 11/05/2015 6:45 PM (Last Meeting
 Until Feb 2016)
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And will the talk be recorded and posted to the web (please)?

On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Bryan Lane <bryan610 at gmail.com> wrote:

> How does perl 6 handle threading?
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015, Douglas E. Miles <doug at veritablesoftware.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','doug at veritablesoftware.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Please RSVP if you haven't already!
>>
>> *I need all RSVPs by Wednesday 11/04/2015 by noon.*
>>
>> Doug Miles will be presenting "Introduction to Perl 6". The meeting will
>> be Thursday 11/05/2015 at 6:45 PM for pizza and 7:00 PM for the
>> presentation. Please RSVP so we know how much pizza to order...
>>
>> Ticketmaster
>> 1375 N Scottsdale Rd
>> Suite #200
>> Scottsdale, AZ 85257
>>
>> The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just South of East McDowell Rd. Here
>> is a Google Map with location and parking information:
>>
>>
>> https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200461628741882245806.0004cea13f6b44f7b068a&msa=0&ll=33.465219,-111.922118&spn=0.001748,0.003484
>>
>> You may park on SkySong Blvd, between the two buildings or in any of the
>> uncovered parking to the North. Ticketmaster is on the second floor of the
>> South building.
>>
>
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From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Sat Nov  7 14:59:42 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 15:59:42 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Tricksy! False!
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From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Sat Nov  7 15:03:21 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:03:21 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] sub type
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From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Sat Nov  7 15:26:01 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:26:01 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Adverbs
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From frimicc at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 21:15:04 2015
From: frimicc at gmail.com (Mike Friedman)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 21:15:04 -0800
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Tricksy! False!
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Some language features really should never be used. NEVER. 

-- Mike
______________________________
Michael Friedman
frimicc at gmail.com

> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Douglas E. Miles <doug at veritablesoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> I had to try this one for myself just to make sure it actually worked.
> 
> liar.p6:
> #!/usr/bin/env perl6
> 
> use v6;
> 
> my $foo = True but False;
> say $foo;
> Output:
> $ ./liar.p6
> False
> 
> Note that this is only true (but False) for the value of $foo. It does not re-define True as False globally.
> 
> P.S. This is evil. :)
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From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Sat Nov  7 23:34:46 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 00:34:46 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Tricksy! False!
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From frimicc at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 00:35:40 2015
From: frimicc at gmail.com (Mike Friedman)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 00:35:40 -0800
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Tricksy! False!
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Oh, I can see lots of uses for it. Making objects act as True or False, depending on their contents comes most strongly to mind. "if ($thing_in_db) { # thing is in db } else { # thing is not in db }"

But mostly I think two things from this syntax:
1. How the heck are you going to grep your code usefully for "but"?
2. Making things True or False by programmer fiat is going to cause a whole pile of hard-to-debug errors unless it's backed up by coding standards enforced with a BIG stick. 

In any event, I wish I could've gone to the presentation. I haven't had any time to play with Perl 6 yet, but it looks like it's going to be an interesting playground.

-- Mike
______________________________
Michael Friedman
frimicc at gmail.com

> On Nov 7, 2015, at 11:34 PM, Douglas E. Miles <doug at veritablesoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> Since you weren't at the presentation, the real case for this feature was for things like the system function, where it returns 0 on success, so you can do things like:
> 
> my $foo = 0 but True;
> 
> The equivalent in Perl 5 was 0e0. Anyway, it was just something I had read about but hadn't tried, and as I noted, "This is evil". :)
> 
> P.S. Good to hear from you!
> 
>> On 11/7/2015 10:15 PM, Mike Friedman wrote:
>> Some language features really should never be used. NEVER. 
>> 
>> -- Mike
>> ______________________________
>> Michael Friedman
>> frimicc at gmail.com
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Douglas E. Miles <doug at veritablesoftware.com>         wrote:
>> 
>>> I had to try this one for myself just to make sure it actually worked.
>>> 
>>> liar.p6:
>>> #!/usr/bin/env perl6
>>> 
>>> use v6;
>>> 
>>> my $foo = True but False;
>>> say $foo;
>>> Output:
>>> $ ./liar.p6
>>> False
>>> 
>>> Note that this is only true (but False) for the value of $foo. It does not re-define True as False globally.
>>> 
>>> P.S. This is evil. :)
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
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From robert.eaglestone at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 06:19:50 2015
From: robert.eaglestone at gmail.com (Rob Eaglestone)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 08:19:50 -0600
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Tricksy! False!
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On Sunday, November 8, 2015, Mike Friedman <frimicc at gmail.com> wrote:


> 2. Making things True or False by programmer fiat is going to cause a
> whole pile of hard-to-debug errors unless it's backed up by coding
> standards enforced with a BIG stick.
>

 That appears to be a lose-lose in my career track (software engineering),
but then every language has flaws.
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From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Thu Nov 12 07:26:16 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:26:16 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] References and Bootstrapping
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From doug at veritablesoftware.com  Sat Nov 14 21:50:40 2015
From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 22:50:40 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Object Type Comparison
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