From doug at veritablesoftware.com Wed Feb 2 15:16:14 2011 From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:16:14 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Reminder: Meeting 02/03/2011 7:00 PM In-Reply-To: <4D421608.3020909@veritablesoftware.com> References: <4D421608.3020909@veritablesoftware.com> Message-ID: <4D49E5BE.2090307@veritablesoftware.com> See you tomorrow night. Please RSVP if you haven't already. On 1/27/2011 6:04 PM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > John Jackson will be presenting "Automated Testing and Manipulation of > Windows Applications" on Thursday 02/03/2011 at 7:00 PM. Please RSVP > so we know to expect you... > > Liquid Web office in the Waste Management Building > 7025 N. Scottsdale Rd. > Ste. 230 > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just North of Indian Bend. There > is a light at 7025 and Scottsdale Rd. Here is a Google Map with > directions from Indian Bend: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=N+Scottsdale+Rd+%26+E+Indian+Bend+Rd,+Scottsdale,+Maricopa,+Arizona&daddr=E+Apartment&geocode=FY_C_wEdeiZU-SmV17ocPwsrhzHgZVw84qEytg%3BFf7I_wEdkyhU-Q&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=33.539526,-111.925475&sspn=0.010767,0.022058&ie=UTF8&ll=33.539615,-111.92524&spn=0.002692,0.005515&t=h&z=18 > > > Do not trust the directions from Google Maps if you type the address > in yourself. In fact, don't trust anything Google Maps has to say > about Scottsdale. ;) > > The doors are locked, so there will be someone waiting to let you in. > Please be prompt. If you are late, call 480-788-PERL (480-788-7375), > and someone will come and let you in. > > > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpjbell7 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 14:22:58 2011 From: mpjbell7 at yahoo.com (marty bell) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:22:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Reminder: Meeting 02/03/2011 7:00 PM In-Reply-To: <4D49E5BE.2090307@veritablesoftware.com> Message-ID: <234913.30774.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'll be there. --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Douglas E. Miles wrote: From: Douglas E. Miles Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Reminder: Meeting 02/03/2011 7:00 PM To: phoenix-pm at pm.org Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 4:16 PM See you tomorrow night. Please RSVP if you haven't already. On 1/27/2011 6:04 PM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: John Jackson will be presenting "Automated Testing and Manipulation of Windows Applications" on Thursday 02/03/2011 at 7:00 PM. Please RSVP so we know to expect you... Liquid Web office in the Waste Management Building 7025 N. Scottsdale Rd. Ste. 230 Scottsdale, AZ 85258 The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just North of Indian Bend. There is a light at 7025 and Scottsdale Rd. Here is a Google Map with directions from Indian Bend: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=N+Scottsdale+Rd+%26+E+Indian+Bend+Rd,+Scottsdale,+Maricopa,+Arizona&daddr=E+Apartment&geocode=FY_C_wEdeiZU-SmV17ocPwsrhzHgZVw84qEytg%3BFf7I_wEdkyhU-Q&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=33.539526,-111.925475&sspn=0.010767,0.022058&ie=UTF8&ll=33.539615,-111.92524&spn=0.002692,0.005515&t=h&z=18 Do not trust the directions from Google Maps if you type the address in yourself. In fact, don't trust anything Google Maps has to say about Scottsdale. ;) The doors are locked, so there will be someone waiting to let you in. Please be prompt. If you are late, call 480-788-PERL (480-788-7375), and someone will come and let you in. _______________________________________________ Phoenix-pm mailing list Phoenix-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Phoenix-pm mailing list Phoenix-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrowe at jrowe.org Fri Feb 4 09:17:38 2011 From: jrowe at jrowe.org (Joshua T. Rowe) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:17:38 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] WWW::Mechanize Message-ID: Howdy all. When this came up at the meeting, I thought that I remembered being able to control how many pages Mechanize remembers, but I wasn't sure. $mech->stack_depth($max_depth) should do it. As I recall, it seems to work. http://search.cpan.org/~petdance/WWW-Mechanize-1.66/lib/WWW/Mechanize.pm#$mech-%3Estack_depth%28_$max_depth_%29 -- Joshua T. Rowe http://www.jrowe.org/ From doug at veritablesoftware.com Fri Feb 4 13:15:37 2011 From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:15:37 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] WWW::Mechanize In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D4C6C79.3080100@veritablesoftware.com> Cool! I'm glad they fixed that. My anecdote was from about 5 years ago. :) Should have given that disclaimer. Thanks for the info! On 02/04/2011 10:17 AM, Joshua T. Rowe wrote: > Howdy all. > > When this came up at the meeting, I thought that I remembered being > able to control how many pages Mechanize remembers, but I wasn't sure. > > $mech->stack_depth($max_depth) should do it. > > As I recall, it seems to work. > > http://search.cpan.org/~petdance/WWW-Mechanize-1.66/lib/WWW/Mechanize.pm#$mech-%3Estack_depth%28_$max_depth_%29 > > From andy at petdance.com Fri Feb 4 13:26:37 2011 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:26:37 -0600 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] WWW::Mechanize In-Reply-To: <4D4C6C79.3080100@veritablesoftware.com> References: <4D4C6C79.3080100@veritablesoftware.com> Message-ID: <96694957-68B3-408B-882E-7D12B0AC0DFA@petdance.com> On Feb 4, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > Cool! I'm glad they fixed that. My anecdote was from about 5 years ago. > :) Should have given that disclaimer. Thanks for the info! "They" = me. :-) WWW::Mechanize is getting new ownership pretty soon, and I hope that new ownership will allow for a lot of bug fixes. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.techworklove.com => AIM:petdance From doug at veritablesoftware.com Fri Feb 4 14:06:10 2011 From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:06:10 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] WWW::Mechanize In-Reply-To: <96694957-68B3-408B-882E-7D12B0AC0DFA@petdance.com> References: <4D4C6C79.3080100@veritablesoftware.com> <96694957-68B3-408B-882E-7D12B0AC0DFA@petdance.com> Message-ID: <4D4C7852.2000003@veritablesoftware.com> Well, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for a great module! I've used it in many projects. Thanks for your hard work! On 02/04/2011 02:26 PM, Andy Lester wrote: > On Feb 4, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > >> Cool! I'm glad they fixed that. My anecdote was from about 5 years ago. >> :) Should have given that disclaimer. Thanks for the info! > "They" = me. :-) > > WWW::Mechanize is getting new ownership pretty soon, and I hope that new ownership will allow for a lot of bug fixes. > > xoxo, > Andy > > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.techworklove.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm From doug at veritablesoftware.com Wed Feb 9 12:33:04 2011 From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:33:04 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Job Opportunity Message-ID: <4D52FA00.10603@veritablesoftware.com> Just passing this along... ---------- Attn. Fabulously Skilled Perl Programmers: My company: Global Crossing Inc., which maybe some of you in Phoenix have actually heard of, is looking for a couple of skilled (as in, knows how to do OO programming) Perl programmers. In addition to knowing what all the $ variables are and knowing to not use almost any of them, the following skills would be very handy: - Mandatory: -- some knowledge of networking equipment like routers and switches -- the ability to SELECT your way out of a paper bag -- You know what the cron facility on a Unix system does -- Familiarity with CVS or other unixy source control system like SVN. - Helpful: -- Perl Template::Toolkit experience -- jQuery javascript library -- Familiar with (you don't have to like it) java, python, Tcl -- You can explain in more than two sentences why vi is better than emacs. Well, the other way around would be acceptable too, just wrong. The pay is not too shabby, and depends on your experience. Please send questions or resumes to: Austin Schutz aschutz(at)gblx.net Preferably with a subject heading of "GC Perl Job". From bwmetz at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 13:10:17 2011 From: bwmetz at gmail.com (Bobby Metz) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Job Opportunity In-Reply-To: <4D52FA00.10603@veritablesoftware.com> References: <4D52FA00.10603@veritablesoftware.com> Message-ID: Also, if you are interested, I work for them locally and can also accept resumes for submission and answer any questions regarding culture, etc. just hit me up off-list. Bobby On Feb 9, 2011 1:35 PM, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: Just passing this along... ---------- Attn. Fabulously Skilled Perl Programmers: My company: Global Crossing Inc., which maybe some of you in Phoenix have actually heard of, is looking for a couple of skilled (as in, knows how to do OO programming) Perl programmers. In addition to knowing what all the $ variables are and knowing to not use almost any of them, the following skills would be very handy: - Mandatory: -- some knowledge of networking equipment like routers and switches -- the ability to SELECT your way out of a paper bag -- You know what the cron facility on a Unix system does -- Familiarity with CVS or other unixy source control system like SVN. - Helpful: -- Perl Template::Toolkit experience -- jQuery javascript library -- Familiar with (you don't have to like it) java, python, Tcl -- You can explain in more than two sentences why vi is better than emacs. Well, the other way around would be acceptable too, just wrong. The pay is not too shabby, and depends on your experience. Please send questions or resumes to: Austin Schutz aschutz(at)gblx.net Preferably with a subject heading of "GC Perl Job". _______________________________________________ Phoenix-pm mailing list Phoenix-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu Fri Feb 11 15:33:41 2011 From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:33:41 -0800 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Modern Perl book for free Message-ID: <5284AF15-8B98-4DA5-9093-BE4C04EC1455@highwire.stanford.edu> In case you haven't been following chromatic's crusade to teach people how to write better, more modern, Perl code, his book on the subject is not only out, it's freely available as a PDF or ePub file: http://www.onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/index.html He's a good writer and covers the subject pretty well. I've learned some interesting things already and I'm still only a few chapters in. The book is accessible to newcomers and old hands alike, so take a look-see. (The companion blog is pretty good too: http://www.modernperlbooks.com ) Spread the word: a free Perl book! -- Mike Friedman ______________________________________________________________________________ Mike Friedman | HighWire Press, Stanford Univ | friedman at highwire.stanford.edu From doug at veritablesoftware.com Thu Feb 24 08:43:11 2011 From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:43:11 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 03/03/2011 7:00 PM Message-ID: <4D668A9F.1080005@veritablesoftware.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu Thu Feb 24 09:25:28 2011 From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:25:28 -0800 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 03/03/2011 7:00 PM In-Reply-To: <4D668A9F.1080005@veritablesoftware.com> References: <4D668A9F.1080005@veritablesoftware.com> Message-ID: <70472565-9F0E-4EFD-8C86-2B577816A8BC@highwire.stanford.edu> I so wish I could come to this one. Will it be recorded? Pretty please? Thanks, -- Mike ______________________________________________________________________________ Mike Friedman | HighWire Press, Stanford Univ | friedman at highwire.stanford.edu On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > Dale Jones will be presenting "Getting Started With Optimization and Profiling" on Thursday 03/03/2011 at 7:00 PM. Please RSVP so we know to expect you... > > Liquid Web office in the Waste Management Building > 7025 N. Scottsdale Rd. > Ste. 230 > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just North of Indian Bend. There is a light at 7025 and Scottsdale Rd. Here is a Google Map with directions from Indian Bend: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=N+Scottsdale+Rd+%26+E+Indian+Bend+Rd,+Scottsdale,+Maricopa,+Arizona&daddr=E+Apartment&geocode=FY_C_wEdeiZU-SmV17ocPwsrhzHgZVw84qEytg%3BFf7I_wEdkyhU-Q&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=33.539526,-111.925475&sspn=0.010767,0.022058&ie=UTF8&ll=33.539615,-111.92524&spn=0.002692,0.005515&t=h&z=18 > > Do not trust the directions from Google Maps if you type the address in yourself. In fact, don't trust anything Google Maps has to say about Scottsdale. ;) > > The doors are locked, so there will be someone waiting to let you in. Please be prompt. If you are late, call 480-788-PERL (480-788-7375), and someone will come and let you in. > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm From emmaus at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 10:56:53 2011 From: emmaus at gmail.com (John Jackson) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:56:53 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 03/03/2011 7:00 PM In-Reply-To: <70472565-9F0E-4EFD-8C86-2B577816A8BC@highwire.stanford.edu> References: <4D668A9F.1080005@veritablesoftware.com> <70472565-9F0E-4EFD-8C86-2B577816A8BC@highwire.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <012101cbd454$9ba3dd60$d2eb9820$@com> Just a reminder that I can't attend the next meeting, but if someone will tape it then I would be happy to edit it and put it up on YouTube. I'll even lend you my audio recorder to get better audio. As for my presentation last month, I still intend to put it up, but I want to rerecord it as I capture screen shots, and since I have to cut the segments into 15-minute pieces anyway, I might just as well record one segment per module. John Jackson -------------------------- Jesus is my Life! -----Original Message----- From: phoenix-pm-bounces+emmaus=gmail.com at pm.org [mailto:phoenix-pm-bounces+emmaus=gmail.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Michael Friedman Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:25 AM To: Douglas E. Miles Cc: Phoenix.pm Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 03/03/2011 7:00 PM I so wish I could come to this one. Will it be recorded? Pretty please? Thanks, -- Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Mike Friedman | HighWire Press, Stanford Univ | friedman at highwire.stanford.edu On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > Dale Jones will be presenting "Getting Started With Optimization and Profiling" on Thursday 03/03/2011 at 7:00 PM. Please RSVP so we know to expect you... > > Liquid Web office in the Waste Management Building > 7025 N. Scottsdale Rd. > Ste. 230 > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just North of Indian Bend. There is a light at 7025 and Scottsdale Rd. Here is a Google Map with directions from Indian Bend: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=N+Scottsdale+Rd+%26+E+India n+Bend+Rd,+Scottsdale,+Maricopa,+Arizona&daddr=E+Apartment&geocode=FY_C_wEde iZU-SmV17ocPwsrhzHgZVw84qEytg%3BFf7I_wEdkyhU-Q&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=33.53 9526,-111.925475&sspn=0.010767,0.022058&ie=UTF8&ll=33.539615,-111.92524&spn= 0.002692,0.005515&t=h&z=18 > > Do not trust the directions from Google Maps if you type the address in yourself. In fact, don't trust anything Google Maps has to say about Scottsdale. ;) > > The doors are locked, so there will be someone waiting to let you in. Please be prompt. If you are late, call 480-788-PERL (480-788-7375), and someone will come and let you in. > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm _______________________________________________ Phoenix-pm mailing list Phoenix-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm From temanite at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 12:22:18 2011 From: temanite at gmail.com (Temanite) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Web project In-Reply-To: <012101cbd454$9ba3dd60$d2eb9820$@com> References: <4D668A9F.1080005@veritablesoftware.com> <70472565-9F0E-4EFD-8C86-2B577816A8BC@highwire.stanford.edu> <012101cbd454$9ba3dd60$d2eb9820$@com> Message-ID: <32662983-25F4-446E-8725-B7AC4093AC15@gmail.com> All- I'm looking for some help with a web project I am working on. Mod_perl and also iPhone app. If anyone is interested in making some extra money, or knows a potential person, don't hesitate to let me know. Good coder could make up to $8k in a few weeks. Thanks. -Brent Sent from my iPad On Feb 24, 2011, at 11:56 AM, "John Jackson" wrote: > Just a reminder that I can't attend the next meeting, but if someone will > tape it then I would be happy to edit it and put it up on YouTube. I'll > even lend you my audio recorder to get better audio. > > As for my presentation last month, I still intend to put it up, but I want > to rerecord it as I capture screen shots, and since I have to cut the > segments into 15-minute pieces anyway, I might just as well record one > segment per module. > > John Jackson > -------------------------- > Jesus is my Life! > > -----Original Message----- > From: phoenix-pm-bounces+emmaus=gmail.com at pm.org > [mailto:phoenix-pm-bounces+emmaus=gmail.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of > Friedman > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:25 AM > To: Douglas E. Miles > Cc: Phoenix.pm > Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 03/03/2011 7:00 PM > > I so wish I could come to this one. Will it be recorded? Pretty please? > > Thanks, > -- Mike > ____________________________________________________________________________ > __ > Mike Friedman | HighWire Press, Stanford Univ | > friedman at highwire.stanford.edu > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > >> Dale Jones will be presenting "Getting Started With Optimization and > Profiling" on Thursday 03/03/2011 at 7:00 PM. Please RSVP so we know to > expect you... >> >> Liquid Web office in the Waste Management Building >> 7025 N. Scottsdale Rd. >> Ste. 230 >> Scottsdale, AZ 85258 >> >> The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just North of Indian Bend. There is a > light at 7025 and Scottsdale Rd. Here is a Google Map with directions from > Indian Bend: >> >> > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=N+Scottsdale+Rd+%26+E+India > n+Bend+Rd,+Scottsdale,+Maricopa,+Arizona&daddr=E+Apartment&geocode=FY_C_wEde > iZU-SmV17ocPwsrhzHgZVw84qEytg%3BFf7I_wEdkyhU-Q&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=33.53 > 9526,-111.925475&sspn=0.010767,0.022058&ie=UTF8&ll=33.539615,-111.92524&spn= > 0.002692,0.005515&t=h&z=18 >> >> Do not trust the directions from Google Maps if you type the address in > yourself. In fact, don't trust anything Google Maps has to say about > Scottsdale. ;) >> >> The doors are locked, so there will be someone waiting to let you in. > Please be prompt. If you are late, call 480-788-PERL (480-788-7375), and > someone will come and let you in. >> _______________________________________________ >> Phoenix-pm mailing list >> Phoenix-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm From doug at veritablesoftware.com Fri Feb 25 08:16:01 2011 From: doug at veritablesoftware.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:16:01 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting 03/03/2011 7:00 PM In-Reply-To: <70472565-9F0E-4EFD-8C86-2B577816A8BC@highwire.stanford.edu> References: <4D668A9F.1080005@veritablesoftware.com> <70472565-9F0E-4EFD-8C86-2B577816A8BC@highwire.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <4D67D5C1.3050502@veritablesoftware.com> I just got a new camera a couple of months ago. I'll give it a shot. (pun intended :) ). It won't be as good as what John does, but hopefully it'll be good enough. On 02/24/2011 10:25 AM, Michael Friedman wrote: > I so wish I could come to this one. Will it be recorded? Pretty please? > > Thanks, > -- Mike > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Mike Friedman | HighWire Press, Stanford Univ | friedman at highwire.stanford.edu > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > >> Dale Jones will be presenting "Getting Started With Optimization and Profiling" on Thursday 03/03/2011 at 7:00 PM. Please RSVP so we know to expect you... >> >> Liquid Web office in the Waste Management Building >> 7025 N. Scottsdale Rd. >> Ste. 230 >> Scottsdale, AZ 85258 >> >> The cross-streets are Scottsdale Rd. just North of Indian Bend. There is a light at 7025 and Scottsdale Rd. Here is a Google Map with directions from Indian Bend: >> >> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=N+Scottsdale+Rd+%26+E+Indian+Bend+Rd,+Scottsdale,+Maricopa,+Arizona&daddr=E+Apartment&geocode=FY_C_wEdeiZU-SmV17ocPwsrhzHgZVw84qEytg%3BFf7I_wEdkyhU-Q&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=33.539526,-111.925475&sspn=0.010767,0.022058&ie=UTF8&ll=33.539615,-111.92524&spn=0.002692,0.005515&t=h&z=18 >> >> Do not trust the directions from Google Maps if you type the address in yourself. In fact, don't trust anything Google Maps has to say about Scottsdale. ;) >> >> The doors are locked, so there will be someone waiting to let you in. Please be prompt. If you are late, call 480-788-PERL (480-788-7375), and someone will come and let you in. >> _______________________________________________ >> Phoenix-pm mailing list >> Phoenix-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm