From bwmetz at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 18:34:18 2010
From: bwmetz at gmail.com (Bobby Metz)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:34:18 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] ???
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I guess you'd call me a maintenance programmer but I still write new stuff, 
just nothing exciting by the past standards on here.  I wish I had the time 
and energy to help re-organize, but I'd be willing to encourage someone that 
does :-)

Oh, and James, if you're just learning Perl for the first time, get the 
Learning Perl book from O'Reilly.  This may start a debate, but I think it's 
a great book and still reference it from time to time.  I'd probably even 
advise you to find a good used 2nd, or if not, 3rd edition.  The 4th and 
some minor changes in the 3rd just weren't as good.  I'd also check out some 
of the articles at perl.org.  Two that come to mind that were extremely 
helpful to me concerned the use of nested arrays/hashes & multi-line regex. 
Oh, use the group discount code DSUG if you order that book direct from 
O'Reilly...at least I hope it's still working but I can't say for sure.

Bobby

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Friedman" <friedman at highwire.stanford.edu>
To: "Scott Walters" <scott at slowass.net>
Cc: <phoenix-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] ???


> Well, there are still active Perl Mongers groups out there, just not 
> Phoenix PM so much. I moved away, unfortunately, but fortunately moved to 
> the SF Bay Area where San Francisco PM is alive and well. Monthly 
> meetings, invited speakers, an active mailing list, etc. From what I can 
> tell they didn't used to be active, but someone stepped in and took the 
> lead: finding a meeting space, doing some group marketing to bring in new 
> people, and spending time and money to bring the group back to life.
>
> All Phoenix PM needs is someone with some energy and free time (and in the 
> area) to decide to bring it back to life. I can guarantee you that there 
> are folks in the area who use perl and would like to talk about it --  
> you'll just have to find them.
>
> In the meantime, though, the web and conferences are definitely the way to 
> go.
>
> A new place for programming help is Stack Overflow:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/319900/what-should-i-teach-a-beginning-perl-programmer
>
> In the perl-specific world, PerlMonks is where most of the beginners go 
> for help when they don't have local friends who know Perl. The site is a 
> bit... complex, but with some effort it'll make sense.
> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node=Tutorials
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of TIMTOWTDI!
> -- Mike
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> Mike Friedman | HighWire Press, Stanford Univ | 
> friedman at highwire.stanford.edu
>
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Scott Walters wrote:
>
>> Back when Perl Mongers groups were strong and active, that was the
>> best way to be exposed to things in the Perl camp.  People there had
>> time to answer your questions and you could compare notes with other
>> people in the same place as yourself.  That's not true any more.  If
>> there were a PM meeting, you'd probably be the only person in the
>> process of learning Perl.  The people who presented and helped teach
>> are long gone.  What's left, besides books, is discussion on
>> perlmonks.org, news and articles on perlbuzz.com, chat on IRC, and
>> those.  I should probably update the website to reflect this
>> situation.  If you possibily can, go to events like YAPC and Perl
>> Workshops.  Frozen Perl in MN is coming up.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -scott
>>
>> On 12/21/09, James Quaid <jfquaid at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I was attempting to get on board and never rx'd a reply.  I'm a
>>> fledgling Linux Admin and would love to learn Perl.  I aced the CI26A
>>> PVCC course and could not find the advanced course. I believe it was for
>>> Souse.  I've since migrated to Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Check out:
>>> <http://www.cosmolearning.com/video-lectures/perl-part-i/>.
>>>
>>> They have courses from MIT as well.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> JQ
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Walters <scott at slowass.net>
>>> To: intertwingled <intertwingled at qwest.net>
>>> Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] ???
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:45:18 -0700
>>>
>>> The list is still on.  No one uses it, as you can see.  Feel free to
>>> rally the troops and call a meeting.  My take on the situation is most
>>> people in Phoenix.PM either 1) stopped writing in Perl or 2) moved
>>> away.  The few people left are maintenance programmers.  It's hard to
>>> tailor a meeting towards maintenance programmers.
>>>
>>> -scott
>>>
>>> On 12/21/09, intertwingled <intertwingled at qwest.net> wrote:
>>>> Is this mailing list still active?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I always have coffee when I watch radar!
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Phoenix-pm mailing list
>>>> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>>>>
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>>>
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From leegold at fastmail.fm  Fri Jan  8 13:12:44 2010
From: leegold at fastmail.fm (leegold)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:12:44 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Phoenix-pm Digest, Vol 60, Issue 1
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> I guess you'd call me a maintenance programmer but I still write new
> stuff, just nothing exciting by the past standards on here.  I wish I
> had the time and energy to help re-organize, but I'd be willing to
> encourage someone that does :-)
>
> Oh, and James, if you're just learning Perl for the first time, get
> the Learning Perl book from O'Reilly.  

...snip...

http://www.manning.com/johnson/

is good IMO.