From dwchandler at stilyagin.com Tue Sep 4 10:40:29 2007 From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:40:29 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] PhxBUG Beer & BSD TONIGHT! Message-ID: <20070904174029.GD2533@jeeves.stilyagin.com> It's too hot not to have beer, and I'm too ill prepared for a presentation, so it's Beer & BSD time again. We'll meet at Casey Moore's on 9th & Ash in Tempe, as usual. We sit outside, close to the corner of 9th and Ash. I'll be wearing a t-shirt with Puffy on the back. I'll be there by 7pm. I hope to see you there! Last time we had some new people show up and not find us, so there were two groups! I think it'd be more fun if we were all together, so I'll repeat myself: We sit outside, close to the corner of 9th and Ash. I'll be wearing a t-shirt with Puffy on the back. ;-) -- Darrin Chandler | Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG dwchandler at stilyagin.com | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/phoenix-pm/attachments/20070904/9a95bffa/attachment.bin From alexanderhenry at cox.net Mon Sep 10 21:33:43 2007 From: alexanderhenry at cox.net (Alexander Henry) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] OT: Roommate Wanted In-Reply-To: <20070904174029.GD2533@jeeves.stilyagin.com> References: <20070904174029.GD2533@jeeves.stilyagin.com> Message-ID: <46E61AA7.1020302@cox.net> Yes, this is a repeat post. Per the suggestion of someone on another list, I have changed the target market. Only two roommates will be accepted at a higher rate of $650/mo plus utilities. Extra rooms available to anyone for office or storage. Each person, including myself, practically has their own living room. Full post: Seeking Male or Female, to share a clean, spacious house in a quiet neighborhood. Location * One Mile East of Gilbert and Warner. * Short walk to a Lifetime Fitness. Short drive to Freestone Park, and The Riparian Institute. * Good drive to downtown Phoenix, East Phoenix, Tempe, Mesa, or Queen Creek. Home * Single level, 4 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 2 car garage. * Space in the largely empty common areas available for furniture. * 2150sqft in size. Two large common areas and a unique open floor plan with the kitchen right in the middle connect like one big room, house looks much bigger than 2150. Rent * $650 plus your share of utilities. * Two bedrooms are available for rent. Each 10x10 plus closet. * $200 extra if you want a second room. * LAN-friendly. Smoking allowed outside. No dogs or cats. Reply to alexanderhenry at cox.net or 480-695-3736 -- Alexander From scott at illogics.org Tue Sep 11 14:25:00 2007 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:25:00 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Meeting Announcement, Wed Sep 12 (tomorrow), 9pm at Denny's for hacking Message-ID: <20070911212500.GI11532@slowass.net> Time: Wednesday 12 September 2007 @9:00pm Location: Fountain Hills Denny's on Shea http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=denny's,+fountain+hills,+az&ie=UTF8&ll=33.603468,-111.715508&spn=0.12639,0.22625&z=12&iwloc=A&om=1 Topic: Hack on your own private project late into the night over cheap, nasty food. Other: Mooch WiFi from the hotel across the parking lot but there are no outlets so bring your extended life battery. Even if no one else shows up, Ben and I will be there. Denny's has a one half star rating. Please let the list know if you expect to make it, or if you're shy, let me know. Some notes on upcoming meetings... sorry I've been out of the fray but I had my brother's wedding and some other RL stuff to deal with. Here's what I have in mind for the near future: * Lasertag either at Fiddlesticks (closer to me and I'm lazy) or Stratum at 1455 S Stapley Dr, Mesa, AZ * Copperstate Dinner Theather, http://www.copperstatedinnertheaters.com/shows.htm, Forever Plaid * Bowling, probably Via Linda Lanes near the 101 and Shea, http://phoenix.citysearch.com/profile/1690220/scottsdale_az/brunswick_via_linda_lanes.html * Four Peaks North (we've already done this one once before) * PLUG's Developer's Meeting, first Thursday of each month, http://plug.phoenix.az.us/node/4 From scott at illogics.org Thu Sep 13 16:03:16 2007 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:03:16 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Desert Code Camp tomorrow! Message-ID: <20070913230316.GW11532@slowass.net> http://desertcodecamp.com/ -- sessions on many technical topics, free admission, great turn out last year with hundreds of people there. The keynote speech last year was a riot. -scott From mbadolato at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 23:17:57 2007 From: mbadolato at gmail.com (Mark Badolato) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:17:57 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl Job in Scottsdale available In-Reply-To: <20070830052704.GH14653@slowass.net> References: <20070830052704.GH14653@slowass.net> Message-ID: Hi everyone. I just wanted to provide an update to this email, as Scott and I have discussed this matter offline. Please see below for comments. On 8/29/07, Scott Walters wrote: > Okay, no more Incentive Logic posts here. IL will gladly honor this request. We thought it was appropriate for local Perl people to receive this sort of notice, but since it was deemed not to be by Scott, we will absolutely honor that. > Maybe there's a reason for that. Yes, a great reason! IL is growing larger and needs more team members! > Beyond that, my day long stay there was extremely awkward, and now I'm > supposed to be in charge of this group, I'm going to act selfishly and > request that I no longer have to see job posts here. And if anyone > either associated with them or a neutral observer finds this email > rude, say the word, and I'll be glad to dig up the "go away" email I got > from them. Regarding the above, I was very concerned about the treatment that Scott received and I asked him for details so that I may find out who acted inappropriately and make sure it did not happen ever again. After a few very nice email exchanges between Scott and I, including Scott sending me the "go away" email referenced above, it became evident that the company in question was NOT Incentive Logic, but another Scottsdale-based company (That started with the letter "I"). None of the people in the email exchange was, or ever had been a member of the IL team, and Scott's own words in his email to the company specifically named that company multiple times. That company was not IL. In other words, it was an accidental mistaken identity. It happens. Given that other company's treatment of Scott in that email exchange, I don't blame him in the least bit for having the reaction he did. I would be just as upset as he was. However, given that there was a mistaken identity there, I felt it appropriate that I at least send a note to the list to clarify this, and "clear" Incentive Logic's name in this situation, as IL had nothing to do with it. I would like to extend a sincere thank you to Scott for taking the time out to exchange a few lengthy emails back and forth with me, and helping me so that I could have prevented this situation from happening again, had it actually been IL that created such a negative impression. Take care, --mark badolato From mbadolato at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 23:17:57 2007 From: mbadolato at gmail.com (Mark Badolato) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:17:57 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl Job in Scottsdale available In-Reply-To: <20070830052704.GH14653@slowass.net> References: <20070830052704.GH14653@slowass.net> Message-ID: Hi everyone. I just wanted to provide an update to this email, as Scott and I have discussed this matter offline. Please see below for comments. On 8/29/07, Scott Walters wrote: > Okay, no more Incentive Logic posts here. IL will gladly honor this request. We thought it was appropriate for local Perl people to receive this sort of notice, but since it was deemed not to be by Scott, we will absolutely honor that. > Maybe there's a reason for that. Yes, a great reason! IL is growing larger and needs more team members! > Beyond that, my day long stay there was extremely awkward, and now I'm > supposed to be in charge of this group, I'm going to act selfishly and > request that I no longer have to see job posts here. And if anyone > either associated with them or a neutral observer finds this email > rude, say the word, and I'll be glad to dig up the "go away" email I got > from them. Regarding the above, I was very concerned about the treatment that Scott received and I asked him for details so that I may find out who acted inappropriately and make sure it did not happen ever again. After a few very nice email exchanges between Scott and I, including Scott sending me the "go away" email referenced above, it became evident that the company in question was NOT Incentive Logic, but another Scottsdale-based company (That started with the letter "I"). None of the people in the email exchange was, or ever had been a member of the IL team, and Scott's own words in his email to the company specifically named that company multiple times. That company was not IL. In other words, it was an accidental mistaken identity. It happens. Given that other company's treatment of Scott in that email exchange, I don't blame him in the least bit for having the reaction he did. I would be just as upset as he was. However, given that there was a mistaken identity there, I felt it appropriate that I at least send a note to the list to clarify this, and "clear" Incentive Logic's name in this situation, as IL had nothing to do with it. I would like to extend a sincere thank you to Scott for taking the time out to exchange a few lengthy emails back and forth with me, and helping me so that I could have prevented this situation from happening again, had it actually been IL that created such a negative impression. Take care, --mark badolato From mbadolato at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 23:17:57 2007 From: mbadolato at gmail.com (Mark Badolato) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:17:57 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl Job in Scottsdale available In-Reply-To: <20070830052704.GH14653@slowass.net> References: <20070830052704.GH14653@slowass.net> Message-ID: Hi everyone. I just wanted to provide an update to this email, as Scott and I have discussed this matter offline. Please see below for comments. On 8/29/07, Scott Walters wrote: > Okay, no more Incentive Logic posts here. IL will gladly honor this request. We thought it was appropriate for local Perl people to receive this sort of notice, but since it was deemed not to be by Scott, we will absolutely honor that. > Maybe there's a reason for that. Yes, a great reason! IL is growing larger and needs more team members! > Beyond that, my day long stay there was extremely awkward, and now I'm > supposed to be in charge of this group, I'm going to act selfishly and > request that I no longer have to see job posts here. And if anyone > either associated with them or a neutral observer finds this email > rude, say the word, and I'll be glad to dig up the "go away" email I got > from them. Regarding the above, I was very concerned about the treatment that Scott received and I asked him for details so that I may find out who acted inappropriately and make sure it did not happen ever again. After a few very nice email exchanges between Scott and I, including Scott sending me the "go away" email referenced above, it became evident that the company in question was NOT Incentive Logic, but another Scottsdale-based company (That started with the letter "I"). None of the people in the email exchange was, or ever had been a member of the IL team, and Scott's own words in his email to the company specifically named that company multiple times. That company was not IL. In other words, it was an accidental mistaken identity. It happens. Given that other company's treatment of Scott in that email exchange, I don't blame him in the least bit for having the reaction he did. I would be just as upset as he was. However, given that there was a mistaken identity there, I felt it appropriate that I at least send a note to the list to clarify this, and "clear" Incentive Logic's name in this situation, as IL had nothing to do with it. I would like to extend a sincere thank you to Scott for taking the time out to exchange a few lengthy emails back and forth with me, and helping me so that I could have prevented this situation from happening again, had it actually been IL that created such a negative impression. Take care, --mark badolato From perlguy at earthlink.net Fri Sep 14 20:30:01 2007 From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:30:01 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl Job in Scottsdale available In-Reply-To: References: <20070830052704.GH14653@slowass.net> Message-ID: <46EB51B9.7080602@earthlink.net> Mark Badolato wrote: > In other words, it was an accidental mistaken identity. It happens. > Given that other company's treatment of Scott in that email exchange, > I don't blame him in the least bit for having the reaction he did. I > would be just as upset as he was. However, given that there was a > mistaken identity there, I felt it appropriate that I at least send a > note to the list to clarify this, and "clear" Incentive Logic's name > in this situation, as IL had nothing to do with it. > I'm glad to hear that this was the case. I interviewed for a position at Incentive Logic, and found everyone there to be friendly and professional. It didn't work out for me (for reasons on my side, not on theirs), but it seems like it would a great opportunity for someone. And, no, they aren't paying me to say this. :) From scott at illogics.org Sat Sep 15 12:46:13 2007 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:46:13 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Perl Job in Scottsdale available In-Reply-To: <46EB51B9.7080602@earthlink.net> References: <20070830052704.GH14653@slowass.net> <46EB51B9.7080602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070915194613.GF11532@slowass.net> I'm terribly confused. It does seem like I had a short in the old noggin. So, Mark and Incentive Logic are off the hook. Apologies, all the way around... -scott On 0, "Douglas E. Miles" wrote: > Mark Badolato wrote: > > > In other words, it was an accidental mistaken identity. It happens. > > Given that other company's treatment of Scott in that email exchange, > > I don't blame him in the least bit for having the reaction he did. I > > would be just as upset as he was. However, given that there was a > > mistaken identity there, I felt it appropriate that I at least send a > > note to the list to clarify this, and "clear" Incentive Logic's name > > in this situation, as IL had nothing to do with it. > > > > > I'm glad to hear that this was the case. I interviewed for a position > at Incentive Logic, and found everyone there to be friendly and > professional. It didn't work out for me (for reasons on my side, not on > theirs), but it seems like it would a great opportunity for someone. > And, no, they aren't paying me to say this. :) > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm From benjamin.trussell at asu.edu Fri Sep 21 09:56:53 2007 From: benjamin.trussell at asu.edu (Benjamin Trussell) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:56:53 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] WTF article regarding perl Message-ID: <037FF41095AD394DB28A3991559A0FB40497F7F6@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> "All For 19 Seconds" http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/All-For-19-Seconds.aspx Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/phoenix-pm/attachments/20070921/d7638472/attachment.html From ben at benatkin.com Fri Sep 21 17:36:49 2007 From: ben at benatkin.com (Ben Atkin) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:36:49 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] WTF article regarding perl In-Reply-To: <037FF41095AD394DB28A3991559A0FB40497F7F6@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <037FF41095AD394DB28A3991559A0FB40497F7F6@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <5004c9f90709211736v5d629d6o5196afc96695a4c7@mail.gmail.com> Hilarious. Unsurprisingly, it's borken. Look at the if statement for when the second is 41 or higher, the minute is 59, the hour is 23, and the month is 12. Regardless of what the day is, the month and day will be set to 1 and the year will be incremented. In the test program I wrote, here's what happens: 2004-11-29 23:59:55 2004-11-30 00:00:14 2004-11-30 00:00:14 2004-11-30 23:59:55 2004-12-01 00:00:14 2004-12-01 00:00:14 2004-12-01 23:59:55 2004-12-02 00:00:14 2005-01-01 00:00:14 The first one is the input date I generate in the script (11:55 PM for each day in my test range), the second one is the result of doing things the simple way ($time + 19), and the third is using the function I made out of the worsethanfailure code. Notice in the third one that it goes from 2004-12-01 to 2005-01-01 when 19 seconds get added! Also, no attempt is made at getting it to work past 2015, and 4 is added to the hours, presumably to get it in the correct time zone. Nothing is done, though, to compensate for when adding 4 brings the hour above 23. I removed the adding of 4 to make the date rollover easier to test. Code is here: http://pastebin.com/f6410b357 Thanks for posting the link. Ben On 9/21/07, Benjamin Trussell wrote: > > > > > "All For 19 Seconds" > > > > http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/All-For-19-Seconds.aspx > > > > > > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm > -- Ben Atkin ben at benatkin.com http://www.benatkin.com/ From ben at benatkin.com Fri Sep 21 17:59:16 2007 From: ben at benatkin.com (Ben Atkin) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] WTF article regarding perl In-Reply-To: <037FF41095AD394DB28A3991559A0FB40497F7F6@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <037FF41095AD394DB28A3991559A0FB40497F7F6@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <5004c9f90709211759nf903b12u9ba68ed0b81cc95d@mail.gmail.com> Hilarious. Unsurprisingly, it's borken. Look at the if statement for when the second is 41 or higher, the minute is 59, the hour is 23, and the month is 12. Regardless of what the day is, the month and day will be set to 1 and the year will be incremented. In the test program I wrote, here's what happens: 2004-11-29 23:59:55 2004-11-30 00:00:14 2004-11-30 00:00:14 2004-11-30 23:59:55 2004-12-01 00:00:14 2004-12-01 00:00:14 2004-12-01 23:59:55 2004-12-02 00:00:14 2005-01-01 00:00:14 The first one is the input date I generate in the script (11:55 PM for each day in my test range), the second one is the result of doing things the simple way ($time + 19), and the third is using the function I made out of the worsethanfailure code. Notice in the third one that it goes from 2004-12-01 to 2005-01-01 when 19 seconds get added! Also, no attempt is made at getting it to work past 2015, and 4 is added to the hours, presumably to get it in the correct time zone. Nothing is done, though, to compensate for when adding 4 brings the hour above 23. I removed the adding of 4 to make the date rollover easier to test. Code is here: http://pastebin.com/f6410b357 Thanks for posting the link. Ben On 9/21/07, Benjamin Trussell wrote: > > > > > "All For 19 Seconds" > > > > http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/All-For-19-Seconds.aspx > > > > > > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm > -- Ben Atkin ben at benatkin.com http://www.benatkin.com/ From vote.zaphod.beeblebrox at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:00:32 2007 From: vote.zaphod.beeblebrox at gmail.com (Ben Atkin) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:00:32 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] WTF article regarding perl In-Reply-To: <037FF41095AD394DB28A3991559A0FB40497F7F6@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <037FF41095AD394DB28A3991559A0FB40497F7F6@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <5004c9f90709211800y62439f03oc6e933145e312717@mail.gmail.com> Hilarious. Unsurprisingly, it's borken. Look at the if statement for when the second is 41 or higher, the minute is 59, the hour is 23, and the month is 12. Regardless of what the day is, the month and day will be set to 1 and the year will be incremented. In the test program I wrote, here's what happens: 2004-11-29 23:59:55 2004-11-30 00:00:14 2004-11-30 00:00:14 2004-11-30 23:59:55 2004-12-01 00:00:14 2004-12-01 00:00:14 2004-12-01 23:59:55 2004-12-02 00:00:14 2005-01-01 00:00:14 The first one is the input date I generate in the script (11:55 PM for each day in my test range), the second one is the result of doing things the simple way ($time + 19), and the third is using the function I made out of the worsethanfailure code. Notice in the third one that it goes from 2004-12-01 to 2005-01-01 when 19 seconds get added! Also, no attempt is made at getting it to work past 2015, and 4 is added to the hours, presumably to get it in the correct time zone. Nothing is done, though, to compensate for when adding 4 brings the hour above 23. I removed the adding of 4 to make the date rollover easier to test. Code is here: http://pastebin.com/f6410b357 Thanks for posting the link. Ben On 9/21/07, Benjamin Trussell wrote: > > > > > "All For 19 Seconds" > > > > http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/All-For-19-Seconds.aspx > > > > > > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > Phoenix-pm mailing list > Phoenix-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm > -- Ben Atkin ben at benatkin.com http://www.benatkin.com/ From scott at illogics.org Mon Sep 24 12:19:39 2007 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:19:39 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Head First SQL, O'Reilly Press for any reviewers Message-ID: <20070924191939.GT18384@slowass.net> Hi all, ORA sent me (rather unexpectedly) a copy of the newly released Head First SQL. Is anyone out there learning SQL? Had some exposure but are ready for a book maybe? Willing to write a review and post it on their blog and/or submit it to Slashdot or the like? Let me know. Thanks, -scott From scott at illogics.org Wed Sep 26 11:25:25 2007 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:25:25 -0700 Subject: [Phoenix-pm] An IP for me, slowass.net, perldesignpatterns.com, perl6now.com, etc? Message-ID: <20070926182525.GL18384@slowass.net> Hey all, I have a RISC pizza box here that has shells for friends on it, piles of little hacks and services (bookcrossing.com scraped RSS feeds, GeekCode based toy dating site, Illuminati server, etc, etc) and I need to put it somewhere. I had it on a friend's T1 for years, but he's getting ready to move and I've got it on my home DSL. Well, I'm getting ready to move to, probably to some craigslist roommate situation where they already a cruddy ISP with no IPs. On my consulting income, I can't afford a place of my own or a colo, you see. So, does anyone out there have a block of IPs and some shelf space, with some extra free? Thanks, -scott