[Phoenix-pm] Meeting today, wed june 6, 2007 @ 7:00pm Mill's End

Ben Trussell benjamin.trussell at asu.edu
Wed Jun 6 18:49:45 PDT 2007


Headed out the door now.  'll be a few minutes late.

Ben

Darrin Chandler wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 03:51:15PM -0700, Scott Walters wrote:
> > We get a lot of first time visitors who never return.  Perhaps they
> > think that something wonderful (other than Perl knowhow) will be
> > imparted on them during the meeting that will radically advance their
> > career (without having to sharpen their Perl skills).  Sometimes
> > they come out for the presentations, but the presentations have to
> > be pretty damn good to build up a following, and that's hard to
> > sustain.
>
> This sounds familiar...
>
> > Other groups in the valley related to Web tech or programming draw a lot
> > more people, a lot more and more serious speakers, are better places
> > for making connections, and better have their fingers on the pulse of
> > emerging technologies.
>
> Having attended a few meetings here and there, I can also say that some
> groups have horrid presentations, don't have their fingers on any pulse
> at all, and *still* manage to draw decent numbers because they're
> focused on something that's currently in the limelight.
>
> > We should all stop being such a specialized spliter group and start
> > going to REFRESH Phoenix, the Ruby User's Group, PLUG, and whatever
> > else.  When people are far more interested in tech, applications of
> > tech, their careers and career prospects, and making connections
> > with other programmers, it's irrelavent whether the meeting has a
> > Perl theme or not.
>
> This is something I've discussed off and on with Hans (of PLUG fame).
> The Valley has a LOT of groups that SHOULD have some synergy. There are
> so many meetings going on that I've had to perform some triage, and the
> result is that I haven't made it to Phoenix.pm (and several other groups
> of note, and then a dozen more of at least some interest). From talking
> to others, I know I'm not alone here.
>
> Consider keeping Phoenix.pm alive. Consider "co-branding" events with
> other groups such as PLUG, PhxBUG, and LOPSA. We have some Perl people,
> and you have some BSD, Linux, and sysadmin people. There's a lot of
> crossover. Not long ago, I gave a presentation on writing daemons at the
> PLUG-Developers meeting. Now, I haven't actually used Linux in a while
> and haven't written any daemons for Linux in much longer. So my
> presentation was using BSD. It really didn't matter. People showed up.
>
> Something to think about, anyway.
>
> > I suggest, however, keeping the mailing list.  That's about the
> > degree that area Perl developers really need to keep in touch with
> > each other.  And that might push us to move to a more virtual
> > existance, fixing up the Website, getting blog aggregation going,
> > and maybe some maps, or a database of employers -- the sorts of
> > things people might actually use.
>
> In addition, Hans has renamed the GNU/Linux Stammtisch to, er, I forget
> exactly, but it's something like the Free Software Stammtisch. I think I
> may have had something to do with that. Anyway... this makes a handy
> social event, and everyone is invited. If even BSD people are welcome,
> Perlers would be doubly so. There's no structure, many or most bring
> laptops, and nobody would object if a hacking session happened.
>
> --
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