From medicldr at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 12:16:29 2005
From: medicldr at gmail.com (Craig Frooninckx)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:16:29 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] OSCON Review
Message-ID: <7d99b5450508091216790f024d@mail.gmail.com>

Brock asked that I give a overview of the OSCON, which may be rather
hard since work kept getting in the way during my trip.  This was my
first OSCON and from what I've heard, it's been a rather large
success.  I was able to meet and speak with many members of the Perl
community.

Larry's State of the Onion was humerous as he related Perl to a spy
board game that he was working on with his kids.  Damian gave a
keynote on dead programming languages, that had everyone rolling on
the floor.

Damian's new book, Perl Best Practices was a hit and they had trouble
keeping it in stock.  He was definitly a conference favorite. 
Incedently he remembers us, as he said "I always remember the crazy
ones"  He also mentioned that the closest he would be to Phoenix in
the short term was SLC, Utah and that we shouldn't drive to see him
there.

I spent a lot of time with Josh McAdms of Perlcast, as we work for the
same company and occsionally on the same project.

One of the highlights was the Stonehenge party with  brian d foy and
Randal Swartz.  They rented out an arcade and provided beer and pizza.
 I haven't played 1942 and pinball in a long time.

Novell demo'd the new SuSE distro that will be coming out in the fall,
which has me planning to install.  It appears that they took some
ideas from the Mac OS Tiger and add a couple of nice utilities for
managing the Web.

ActiveState released Komodo for the Macintosh at the conference, which
took a couple of guys five minutes to discover a flaw.  Some Perl
coders figured out a way to lock up the machine by just typing some
code into a BEGIN block.

I caught a presentation on Ruby on Rails and was really impressed with
it, to the point that I'm doing more research on that.

I met with some of the folks from The Perl Foundation, which quickly
reminded me that I haven't been giving back to the OS community like I
should be.  I made a donation while at the conference and would like
to try and help them raise more money.

<ask_for_money>
On that note, I ended up with an extra copy of the Perl Best Practices
and a Programming Perl books and would like to know if a pm auction
for those books be okay with the group.  The proceeds from the books
would be donated to the Perl Foundation.  Let me know your thoughts on
that.
</ask_for_money>

I also learned that the Mac Powerbook was the computer to have at
OSCON, they were everywhere.  So if anyone has a spare one that they
don't want, I'm accepting donations.

Sorry that I really am not reporting too much on specifics, but my
brain is still spinning from everything that went on last week.  I
definitly felt it was a great conference to atttend and am working on
how to return next year.

-Craig

<scott>
Peter Scott asked about you during the first night I was there.  I
told him that you were doing well and was coding circles around me. 
He wanted me to say hi to you.
</scott>

From scott at illogics.org  Tue Aug  9 12:35:22 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:35:22 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] OSCON Review
In-Reply-To: <7d99b5450508091216790f024d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d99b5450508091216790f024d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050809193522.GK18080@illogics.org>

Hi Craig,

Very cool. Wish I could have made it and said hi to Peter Scott
personally. I was trading email with him a bit ago... he reviewed
P6N in more depth than anyone. (For those on the list who don't
know Peter Scott, he's written several books, including the
recent Perl Medic, which deals with maintaining legacy code).

I'd loved to have seen Damian's talk, too.

Yes, go ahead and auction Perl Best Practices. Phoenix.PM did
dabble with fund-raising once and took up a collection when
Dan Sugalski came into town, by the way. 

Regards,
-scott



On  0, Craig Frooninckx <medicldr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Brock asked that I give a overview of the OSCON, which may be rather
> hard since work kept getting in the way during my trip.  This was my
> first OSCON and from what I've heard, it's been a rather large
> success.  I was able to meet and speak with many members of the Perl
> community.
> 
> Larry's State of the Onion was humerous as he related Perl to a spy
> board game that he was working on with his kids.  Damian gave a
> keynote on dead programming languages, that had everyone rolling on
> the floor.
> 
> Damian's new book, Perl Best Practices was a hit and they had trouble
> keeping it in stock.  He was definitly a conference favorite. 
> Incedently he remembers us, as he said "I always remember the crazy
> ones"  He also mentioned that the closest he would be to Phoenix in
> the short term was SLC, Utah and that we shouldn't drive to see him
> there.
> 
> I spent a lot of time with Josh McAdms of Perlcast, as we work for the
> same company and occsionally on the same project.
> 
> One of the highlights was the Stonehenge party with  brian d foy and
> Randal Swartz.  They rented out an arcade and provided beer and pizza.
>  I haven't played 1942 and pinball in a long time.
> 
> Novell demo'd the new SuSE distro that will be coming out in the fall,
> which has me planning to install.  It appears that they took some
> ideas from the Mac OS Tiger and add a couple of nice utilities for
> managing the Web.
> 
> ActiveState released Komodo for the Macintosh at the conference, which
> took a couple of guys five minutes to discover a flaw.  Some Perl
> coders figured out a way to lock up the machine by just typing some
> code into a BEGIN block.
> 
> I caught a presentation on Ruby on Rails and was really impressed with
> it, to the point that I'm doing more research on that.
> 
> I met with some of the folks from The Perl Foundation, which quickly
> reminded me that I haven't been giving back to the OS community like I
> should be.  I made a donation while at the conference and would like
> to try and help them raise more money.
> 
> <ask_for_money>
> On that note, I ended up with an extra copy of the Perl Best Practices
> and a Programming Perl books and would like to know if a pm auction
> for those books be okay with the group.  The proceeds from the books
> would be donated to the Perl Foundation.  Let me know your thoughts on
> that.
> </ask_for_money>
> 
> I also learned that the Mac Powerbook was the computer to have at
> OSCON, they were everywhere.  So if anyone has a spare one that they
> don't want, I'm accepting donations.
> 
> Sorry that I really am not reporting too much on specifics, but my
> brain is still spinning from everything that went on last week.  I
> definitly felt it was a great conference to atttend and am working on
> how to return next year.
> 
> -Craig
> 
> <scott>
> Peter Scott asked about you during the first night I was there.  I
> told him that you were doing well and was coding circles around me. 
> He wanted me to say hi to you.
> </scott>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Fri Aug 12 17:11:40 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] next meeting
Message-ID: <20050813001140.GD3570@thelackthereof.org>


[I sent this earlier but it bounced because of my new internet setup
  being borked. Seems to work now though. We'll see if this goes out]

Hiya,

Well I finally got the internet at home! YAY! So now I don't feel like I
live on an island anymore. Happy days.

I'm having trouble getting a meeting set up. I want to meet at the
library again on the 25th, but it took them a while to get back to me
and when they did the room was already taken. So if you have ideas for
venue's now is a good time to mention them! I'm hoping to set meetings
up further in advance, but am still working on a stable venue.

Suggested topics:
  * Perl6
  * OSCON
  * Intro-to modular programming (as a ramp-up to intro-to object programming).

--Brock


From perlguy at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 13 13:13:45 2005
From: perlguy at earthlink.net (Douglas E. Miles)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:13:45 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] OSCON Review
In-Reply-To: <7d99b5450508091216790f024d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d99b5450508091216790f024d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42FE5479.4080203@earthlink.net>

Whoops, meant to send this to the list.  Sorry Craig!

Craig Frooninckx wrote:
<SNIP>
> Damian's new book, Perl Best Practices was a hit and they had trouble
> keeping it in stock.  He was definitly a conference favorite. 
> Incedently he remembers us, as he said "I always remember the crazy
> ones"  He also mentioned that the closest he would be to Phoenix in
> the short term was SLC, Utah and that we shouldn't drive to see him
> there.
<SNIP>

That brought a smile to my face.  He did think we were crazy. :P


From medicldr at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 08:34:33 2005
From: medicldr at gmail.com (Craig Frooninckx)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:34:33 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050813001140.GD3570@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20050813001140.GD3570@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <7d99b54505081608344e9d4093@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/12/05, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> 
> [I sent this earlier but it bounced because of my new internet setup
>   being borked. Seems to work now though. We'll see if this goes out]
> 
> Hiya,
> 
I forgot to do a reply all as well:


Hi guys, I'm willing to chat a bit about OSCON, which won't go for
very long I wouldn't think.   I'm in favor of the Intro to Modular
Programming myself.  The only problem is that I start teaching
Tuesdays and Thursdays that week, so I can't make those nights.

On Venus, I know that west side PLUG meets at GCC, they tend to be
friendly towards groups, as I would imagine most of the community
colleges would be.  There's the other Public Libraries in the valley
as well.

> Well I finally got the internet at home! YAY! So now I don't feel like I
> live on an island anymore. Happy days.
> 
> I'm having trouble getting a meeting set up. I want to meet at the
> library again on the 25th, but it took them a while to get back to me
> and when they did the room was already taken. So if you have ideas for
> venue's now is a good time to mention them! I'm hoping to set meetings
> up further in advance, but am still working on a stable venue.
> 
> Suggested topics:
>   * Perl6
>   * OSCON
>   * Intro-to modular programming (as a ramp-up to intro-to object programming).
> 
> --Brock
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Thu Aug 18 07:45:00 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:45:00 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] scott walters perl 6 now review on /.
Message-ID: <20050818144500.GI7457@thelackthereof.org>


I didn't see this on the main page yesterday (was actually working or
somethin'), but saw the link on the sidebar:

  http://books.slashdot.org/books/05/08/16/0511217.shtml?tid=145&tid=6

along with the usual slashdot ("uh.. interesting") commentary. Lots of
Perl6 fans, actually. More commentary on the language than the book
though, I think.

What do you think, Scott? I'm not sure I'd like being on slashdot.

--Brock


From friedman at highwire.stanford.edu  Thu Aug 18 08:40:58 2005
From: friedman at highwire.stanford.edu (Michael Friedman)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:40:58 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] scott walters perl 6 now review on /.
In-Reply-To: <20050818144500.GI7457@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20050818144500.GI7457@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <D0925982-709B-4EE5-9F1D-2826D26788E9@highwire.stanford.edu>

Cool!! Way to go Scott!
So, did http://perldesignpatterns.com survive the slashdotting?

Trivia connection: the review was written by the tech reporter for  
the Stanford campus radio station, KZSU, which is housed about a mile  
away from my office.

-- Mike


On Aug 18, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Brock wrote:

>
> I didn't see this on the main page yesterday (was actually working or
> somethin'), but saw the link on the sidebar:
>
>   http://books.slashdot.org/books/05/08/16/0511217.shtml?tid=145&tid=6
>
> along with the usual slashdot ("uh.. interesting") commentary. Lots of
> Perl6 fans, actually. More commentary on the language than the book
> though, I think.
>
> What do you think, Scott? I'm not sure I'd like being on slashdot.
>
> --Brock
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
>

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From scott at illogics.org  Thu Aug 18 08:53:39 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:53:39 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] scott walters perl 6 now review on /.
In-Reply-To: <20050818144500.GI7457@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20050818144500.GI7457@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20050818155339.GD18080@illogics.org>

Hi Brock,

Yeah. It was on the front page yesterday. This certainly fits under
the "any exposure is good exposure". I thought the review was
vague and fluffy, even though the guy cited page numbers. No attempt
was made to outline the contents of the book or compare it to any
other Perl book. I was hoping Michael or one of the other countless
people who got a review copy and is far more able to write a 
review would have gotten one in first, but, again, any exposure...
This reviewer also failed to mention http://perl6now.com, but maybe
that's a good thing ;)

-scott


On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> 
> I didn't see this on the main page yesterday (was actually working or
> somethin'), but saw the link on the sidebar:
> 
>   http://books.slashdot.org/books/05/08/16/0511217.shtml?tid=145&tid=6
> 
> along with the usual slashdot ("uh.. interesting") commentary. Lots of
> Perl6 fans, actually. More commentary on the language than the book
> though, I think.
> 
> What do you think, Scott? I'm not sure I'd like being on slashdot.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From bwmetz at att.com  Thu Aug 18 13:08:14 2005
From: bwmetz at att.com (Metz, Bobby W, WCS)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:08:14 -0500
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] scott walters perl 6 now review on /.
Message-ID: <01D5341D04A2E64AB9B3457690473367461B61@OCCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>

Well, I spoke up for ya (sort of).  Mentioned that everyone was off
topic...and that I still haven't read the book.

;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org [mailto:phoenix-pm-bounces at pm.org]On
Behalf Of Scott Walters
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:54 AM
To: Brock
Cc: phoenix-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [Phoenix-pm] scott walters perl 6 now review on /.


Hi Brock,

Yeah. It was on the front page yesterday. This certainly fits under
the "any exposure is good exposure". I thought the review was
vague and fluffy, even though the guy cited page numbers. No attempt
was made to outline the contents of the book or compare it to any
other Perl book. I was hoping Michael or one of the other countless
people who got a review copy and is far more able to write a 
review would have gotten one in first, but, again, any exposure...
This reviewer also failed to mention http://perl6now.com, but maybe
that's a good thing ;)

-scott


On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> 
> I didn't see this on the main page yesterday (was actually working or
> somethin'), but saw the link on the sidebar:
> 
>   http://books.slashdot.org/books/05/08/16/0511217.shtml?tid=145&tid=6
> 
> along with the usual slashdot ("uh.. interesting") commentary. Lots of
> Perl6 fans, actually. More commentary on the language than the book
> though, I think.
> 
> What do you think, Scott? I'm not sure I'd like being on slashdot.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phoenix-pm mailing list
> Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm
_______________________________________________
Phoenix-pm mailing list
Phoenix-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Fri Aug 26 22:29:57 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:29:57 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Application architecture example (heh)
In-Reply-To: <20050723014440.UIAW17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@COM>
References: <20050723014440.UIAW17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@COM>
Message-ID: <20050827052957.GD15273@illogics.org>

http://thedailywtf.com/forums/41672/ShowPost.aspx

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Sat Aug 27 00:22:11 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:22:11 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Application architecture example (heh)
In-Reply-To: <20050827052957.GD15273@illogics.org>
References: <20050723014440.UIAW17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@COM>
	<20050827052957.GD15273@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20050827072211.GG15520@thelackthereof.org>


Interesting site.

--Brock

On 2005.08.26.22.29, Scott Walters wrote:
| http://thedailywtf.com/forums/41672/ShowPost.aspx
| _______________________________________________
| Phoenix-pm mailing list
| Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Sat Aug 27 01:03:37 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:03:37 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] Application architecture example (heh)
In-Reply-To: <20050827072211.GG15520@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20050723014440.UIAW17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@COM>
	<20050827052957.GD15273@illogics.org>
	<20050827072211.GG15520@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20050827080336.GF15273@illogics.org>

For those of you not experienced with Enterprise
Architecture, the diagram is laughable in its reckless
and pointless application of technology and the clear bais of
the developers who appearently feel that their favorite 
technology must be included no matter how unneeded.

-scott

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> 
> Interesting site.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> On 2005.08.26.22.29, Scott Walters wrote:
> | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/41672/ShowPost.aspx
> | _______________________________________________
> | Phoenix-pm mailing list
> | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From scott at illogics.org  Sun Aug 28 14:44:24 2005
From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:44:24 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] counter culture cafe as a meeting location
In-Reply-To: <20050827072211.GG15520@thelackthereof.org>
References: <20050723014440.UIAW17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@COM>
	<20050827052957.GD15273@illogics.org>
	<20050827072211.GG15520@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <20050828214423.GJ15273@illogics.org>

http://www.countercultureaz.com/
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=2330+E.+McDowell+Rd&city=Phoenix&state=AZ&zipcode=85006

24 hours, free WiFi, lots of room, neat joint... 

Could be a good meeting location.

-scott

On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
> 
> Interesting site.
> 
> --Brock
> 
> On 2005.08.26.22.29, Scott Walters wrote:
> | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/41672/ShowPost.aspx
> | _______________________________________________
> | Phoenix-pm mailing list
> | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
> | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm

From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Sun Aug 28 15:16:37 2005
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:16:37 -0700
Subject: [Phoenix-pm] counter culture cafe as a meeting location
In-Reply-To: <20050828214423.GJ15273@illogics.org>
References: <20050723014440.UIAW17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@COM>
	<20050827052957.GD15273@illogics.org>
	<20050827072211.GG15520@thelackthereof.org>
	<20050828214423.GJ15273@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <20050828221637.GK15520@thelackthereof.org>


Cool... I have a friend who likes that place, and I've even been there
once. Right down the road from where I work so I'll go over tomorrow and
talk to them. I've also been talking to SCC to see about space there,
and began to make some progress (pointed toward someone who can actually
make such decisions) on Friday.

--Brock

On 2005.08.28.14.44, Scott Walters wrote:
| http://www.countercultureaz.com/
| http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=2330+E.+McDowell+Rd&city=Phoenix&state=AZ&zipcode=85006
| 
| 24 hours, free WiFi, lots of room, neat joint... 
| 
| Could be a good meeting location.
| 
| -scott
| 
| On  0, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
| > 
| > Interesting site.
| > 
| > --Brock
| > 
| > On 2005.08.26.22.29, Scott Walters wrote:
| > | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/41672/ShowPost.aspx
| > | _______________________________________________
| > | Phoenix-pm mailing list
| > | Phoenix-pm at pm.org
| > | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/phoenix-pm