Phoenix.pm: Tempe/East Vally PerlMongers Approved.

Scott Walters scott at illogics.org
Thu Nov 13 23:41:22 CST 2003


Hey.

Re: people not returning, there are a lot of people we've seen
once that are probably lurking on the list. I'm sure it is nothing
personal, just that a bunch of middle aged white guys sitting
around a conferance table ain't their idea of a good time =)

Re: Pablo and McAllester, McAllester and Goldfrab ran and
run Contact Designs, whom I worked for quite a while. Before
I signed on there, they did a deal with Pablo - I don't know
the details - for "dosomething.org". I'm told it i a school
related site for getting kids involved (in something, I 
don't know what, presumably not drugs and violence). They
did it in mod_perl, as their first mod_perl site (having
a persistant mod_perl fetish lasting through my stay there)
and they, well, botched it. They asked for a lot of money
and didn't deliver. Pablo and McAllester were mutually
afraid of what the other would think of them, or something
like that, the way I hear it. I don't think it was bad blood,
just discomfort. 

Pablo was a nice guy. I miss seeing him around. McAllester
finally gave up on development after running the guantlet
of frustrations associated with it and as far as I know
they just sell already written software, application
service provider style. They found another cart that
was less powerful and less flexible than mine but had a 
nice admin for setting up new stores and just tell clients
now days that they can't have the things they want rather
than quoting them a price and trying to deliver. There is
something to be said for that, IMHO. Most attempts to write
software are misguided, unless the only purpose is education.

Re: moving the meetings around the valley, we were talking
about doing that at one point but, uh, never quite got around to it.

-scott

On  0, "Douglas E. Miles" <doug at phoenixinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott Walters wrote:
> > Hi other Scott,
> > 
> > No, nothing like that. Phoenix PM is nothing worth fighting over ;)
> > 
> > On the other hand, people have failed to return. That's far more common.
> > Not because they were mad at someone, as far as I know, but because
> > something uncomfortable happened. Mcallester and Pablo come to
> > mind. But even then, that's fairly rare.
> 
> Hey, what's up with that?  I'm always the last to know.  What happened 
> to Pablo?  I don't remember McAllester.  (No offense if you're out 
> there.  I just have a bad memory.)  Reply off list if you'd rather.
> 
> > We're all pretty tolerent. All you have to do is keep your hands
> > to yourself when asked to do.
> > 
> <snip>
> 
> 



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