From scott at illogics.org Tue Mar 4 03:43:28 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PerlDoc question Message-ID: <20030304094327.GE5456@illogics.org> Hi folks. I'm trying to write a program that reads my Wiki source files (each page is a file, in a very text format, where ASCII formatting conventions are the mark up language). I can't get L<> to work. I've read perlpodspec. In http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlpodspec.html#About-L%3c...%3e-Codes it claims that L will display Link Text as a link to Anchor in the current document, where Anchor is marked up as: =head2 Anchor (or another head, or =item). Nothing. I get thousands of lines of output like: /usr/bin/pod2html: perldesignpatterns.pod: cannot resolve L in paragraph 7. at /usr/share/perl/5.6.1/Pod/Html.pm line 1562. In the perldesignpatterns.pod, down a ways, is: =head2 FlyweightPattern ...in a paragraph by itself. I'm using the pod2html from 5.6.1 to test with. pod2latex works fine, but it doesn't actually compute anchors, as far as I know, so it really wouldn't care about whether or not a link target exists. Other "obvious" permutations of using L<> also end is failure. Thoughts, suggestions, flames, anyone? Also, does anyone know what parser is used at perldoc.com that produces such lovely output? Thanks! -scott From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue Mar 4 06:53:13 2003 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PerlDoc question In-Reply-To: <20030304094327.GE5456@illogics.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030304055313.00a4a570@pop.phnx.qwest.net> You were hatched from a pod! At 01:43 AM 3/4/03 -0800, you wrote: >Hi folks. > >I'm trying to write a program that reads my Wiki source files (each page >is a file, in a very text format, where ASCII formatting conventions >are the mark up language). > >I can't get L<> to work. I've read perlpodspec. > >In http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlpodspec.html#About-L%3c...%3e-Codes >it claims that L will display Link Text as a link to Anchor >in the current document, where Anchor is marked up as: > >=head2 Anchor > >(or another head, or =item). > >Nothing. I get thousands of lines of output like: > >/usr/bin/pod2html: perldesignpatterns.pod: cannot resolve L in paragraph 7. at /usr/share/perl/5.6.1/Pod/Html.pm line 1562. > >In the perldesignpatterns.pod, down a ways, is: > > > >=head2 FlyweightPattern > > > >...in a paragraph by itself. > > >I'm using the pod2html from 5.6.1 to test with. pod2latex works fine, but it doesn't >actually compute anchors, as far as I know, so it really wouldn't care about whether >or not a link target exists. > >Other "obvious" permutations of using L<> also end is failure. > >Thoughts, suggestions, flames, anyone? > >Also, does anyone know what parser is used at perldoc.com that produces such lovely output? > >Thanks! > >-scott > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Mar 4 13:06:39 2003 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/06/2003 Message-ID: <3E64F93F.4030808@bpxinternet.com> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday March 6th at 7:00PM. It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This is a social meeting, so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow House has coffee, and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue Mar 4 14:19:33 2003 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/06/2003 In-Reply-To: <3E64F93F.4030808@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030304131933.00a5b620@pop.phnx.qwest.net> At 12:06 PM 3/4/03 -0700, you wrote: > >We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday March 6th at 7:00PM. >It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell >Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This is a social meeting, >so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow House has coffee, >and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more >information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! > > Yay! -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From scott at illogics.org Tue Mar 4 20:56:14 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/06/2003 Message-ID: <20030305021016.GF5456@illogics.org> Argh. Once again, I didn't get the original announcement, but instead sometimes reply to it. Either my mail isn't working, or else the list is on the fritz again. May be if we reply to this enough times everyone will eventually get it... In other news, upgrade your sendmail if you have version 8.12.6 or before unless you want guests - yes, that was the current version. -scott On 0, intertwingled wrote: > > At 12:06 PM 3/4/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > >We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday March 6th at 7:00PM. > >It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell > >Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This is a social meeting, > >so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow House has coffee, > >and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more > >information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! > > > > > > Yay! > > > -- > even the safest course is fraught with peril > From wlindley at wlindley.com Tue Mar 4 21:35:58 2003 From: wlindley at wlindley.com (William Lindley) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PerlDoc question In-Reply-To: <20030304094327.GE5456@illogics.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Scott Walters wrote: > I can't get L<> to work. I've read perlpodspec. Hmm... this simple case seems to work fine... \\/ ---begin--- $ perl -v This is perl, v5.6.1 built for powerpc-netbsd $ cat foo.pl =pod =head2 blort see L =cut $ pod2html foo.pl /usr/bin/pod2html: no title for foo.pl at /usr/pkg/lib/perl5/5.6.1/Pod/Html.pm line 402. foo.pl


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$ ---end--- From scott at illogics.org Wed Mar 5 01:45:13 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 03/06/2003 Message-ID: <20030305074513.GG5456@illogics.org> On 0, intertwingled wrote: > > You have to stop using Microsoft software, dude. ;-)~ I have a hard enough time defending my "decision" to use sendmail. Tony, whens the last time you've replied to something with something other than a one-line jab? -scott > > At 06:56 PM 3/4/03 -0800, you wrote: > >Argh. Once again, I didn't get the original announcement, but instead > >sometimes reply to it. Either my mail isn't working, or else the list > >is on the fritz again. May be if we reply to this enough times everyone > >will eventually get it... > > > >In other news, upgrade your sendmail if you have version 8.12.6 or > >before unless you want guests - yes, that was the current version. > > > >-scott > > > >On 0, intertwingled wrote: > >> > >> At 12:06 PM 3/4/03 -0700, you wrote: > >> > > >> >We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday March 6th at 7:00PM. > >> >It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell > >> >Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This is a social meeting, > >> >so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow House has coffee, > >> >and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more > >> >information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Yay! > >> > >> > >> -- > >> even the safest course is fraught with peril > >> > > > > > > -- > even the safest course is fraught with peril > From scott at illogics.org Wed Mar 5 01:48:54 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: PerlDoc question Message-ID: <20030305074854.GH5456@illogics.org> Hrm. I think the problem may be then that pod2html doesn't understand forward references. Due to the nature of this application, most references are forward references (table of contents at the beginning). Thanks Bill. I guess I just need people around me to tell me I'm nuts ;) -scott On 0, William Lindley wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Scott Walters wrote: > > > I can't get L<> to work. I've read perlpodspec. > > Hmm... this simple case seems to work fine... > > \\/ > > ---begin--- > > $ perl -v > This is perl, v5.6.1 built for powerpc-netbsd > $ cat foo.pl > =pod > > =head2 blort > > see L > > > =cut > > $ pod2html foo.pl > /usr/bin/pod2html: no title for foo.pl at > /usr/pkg/lib/perl5/5.6.1/Pod/Html.pm line 402. > > > foo.pl > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > $ > ---end--- > > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Mar 6 17:35:00 2003 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 Message-ID: <3E67DB24.1030800@bpxinternet.com> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday March 6th at 7:00PM. It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This is a social meeting, so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow House has coffee, and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! From tran_fors at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 23:51:26 2003 From: tran_fors at yahoo.com (Tran Forsythe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 References: <3E67DB24.1030800@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <000701c2e46d$98bd34a0$0401a8c0@DARIO> Wish I didn't have to've missed it... would've been much more fun than working another 13 hr shift. *mutter* -Kurt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Miles" To: "Phoenix.pm" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday March 6th at 7:00PM. > It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell > Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This is a social meeting, > so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow House has coffee, > and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more > information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! > > > > > > > > From scott at illogics.org Fri Mar 7 18:56:23 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 Message-ID: <20030308005623.GA5456@illogics.org> My alleged Microsoft software is causing your Jeep to roll over spontaniously giving you cause to install a roll cage? Wow.. thats evil. http://www.microsith.com On 0, "intertwingled@qwest.net" wrote: > > > Alas, my jeep was in the fab shop for an internal roll cage and new seats. > I will try to make the next social meeting at the Willow House. > > Tony > > P.S. Scott, you gotta quit using that nasty Microsoft Software! > From jennykitten1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 7 23:40:41 2003 From: jennykitten1 at yahoo.com (Jenny Charlene) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 In-Reply-To: <3E67DB24.1030800@bpxinternet.com> References: <3E67DB24.1030800@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <200303072240.41705.jennykitten1@yahoo.com> On Thursday 06 March 2003 04:35 pm, Doug Miles wrote: > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday March 6th at 7:00PM. Sorry I missed it, but I had a date! -- Take care, Jenny Random quote of the day: A certain amount of opposition is a help, not a hindrance. Kites rise against the wind, not with it. From scott at illogics.org Sat Mar 8 03:15:46 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 Message-ID: <20030308091546.GH5456@illogics.org> It's okey. The feds just busted it up anyway. Did someone remember to bail Doug out of jail? Have to do that before the next meeting... On 0, Jenny Charlene wrote: > > On Thursday 06 March 2003 04:35 pm, Doug Miles wrote: > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday March 6th at 7:00PM. > > Sorry I missed it, but I had a date! > -- > Take care, > Jenny > > Random quote of the day: > A certain amount of opposition is a help, not a hindrance. Kites rise > against the wind, not with it. > From scott at illogics.org Sat Mar 8 05:37:48 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: perlcc Message-ID: <20030308113748.GI5456@illogics.org> Hi folks. I'm trying to squeeze every ounce of performance possible out of my server machine, the Apple 7300/180 (the 180 is for 180 mhz). I have one script that is getting hit a lot and should respond quickly, and supposedly, Perl spends a lot if not most of its time just parsing the source code, so I gave perlcc a whirl. To those not familiar, perlcc lets perl parse the program, than dumps the symbol table and opcode tree as a bunch of C datastructures, pre initialized, along with the glue needed to link to libperl, saving a program from having to parse the .pl file. normal perlcc binary wiki.cgi .301 + .678 .361 + 1.547 assemble.cgi 1.607 + 1.191 1.653 + 2.509 Time is user time + system time. Instead of being faster, a compiled binary is slower. The perlcc binary takes marginally more user time, but more than twice as much system time. Short of profiling the exe and perl, which I don't even know how to do, does anyone know why this might be? The binaries are around 2 megs, so they should be competitive with the memory footprint of perl itself. Perhaps time spent in ld, linking to the shared library? Time spent doing VM stuff? Of course, I could do FastCGI or something, but I'm curious =) It's hard to imagine that the Perl parser is faster at constructing an opcode tree than just bringing an already compiled one in from disc. Thanks, -scott From intertwingled at qwest.net Sat Mar 8 05:55:00 2003 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled@qwest.net) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: perlcc References: <20030308113748.GI5456@illogics.org> Message-ID: <3E69DA14.A368FD98@qwest.net> Scott Walters wrote: > Hi folks. > > I'm trying to squeeze every ounce of performance possible out of my server > machine, the Apple 7300/180 (the 180 is for 180 mhz). > > I have one script that is getting hit a lot and should respond quickly, > and supposedly, Perl spends a lot if not most of its time just parsing > the source code, so I gave perlcc a whirl. > > To those not familiar, perlcc lets perl parse the program, than dumps > the symbol table and opcode tree as a bunch of C datastructures, > pre initialized, along with the glue needed to link to libperl, > saving a program from having to parse the .pl file. > > normal perlcc binary > wiki.cgi .301 + .678 .361 + 1.547 > assemble.cgi 1.607 + 1.191 1.653 + 2.509 > > Time is user time + system time. > > Instead of being faster, a compiled binary is slower. > > The perlcc binary takes marginally more user time, but more than twice as > much system time. Short of profiling the exe and perl, which I don't even > know how to do, does anyone know why this might be? The binaries > are around 2 megs, so they should be competitive with the memory footprint > of perl itself. Perhaps time spent in ld, linking to the shared library? > Time spent doing VM stuff? > > Of course, I could do FastCGI or something, but I'm curious =) > > It's hard to imagine that the Perl parser is faster at constructing an > opcode tree than just bringing an already compiled one in from disc. > > Thanks, > -scott Rewrite it in C or assembly language. It is the Only Way, my son. From scott at illogics.org Sat Mar 8 06:01:19 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: perlcc Message-ID: <20030308120119.GJ5456@illogics.org> I *have* written CGI applications in C - plural. Thats why I'm not doing it now ;) I've also written ASP web applications. Given a choice of the two, I'd take C... -scott On 0, "intertwingled@qwest.net" wrote: > > Scott Walters wrote: > > > Hi folks. > > > > I'm trying to squeeze every ounce of performance possible out of my server > > machine, the Apple 7300/180 (the 180 is for 180 mhz). > > > > I have one script that is getting hit a lot and should respond quickly, > > and supposedly, Perl spends a lot if not most of its time just parsing > > the source code, so I gave perlcc a whirl. > > > > To those not familiar, perlcc lets perl parse the program, than dumps > > the symbol table and opcode tree as a bunch of C datastructures, > > pre initialized, along with the glue needed to link to libperl, > > saving a program from having to parse the .pl file. > > > > normal perlcc binary > > wiki.cgi .301 + .678 .361 + 1.547 > > assemble.cgi 1.607 + 1.191 1.653 + 2.509 > > > > Time is user time + system time. > > > > Instead of being faster, a compiled binary is slower. > > > > The perlcc binary takes marginally more user time, but more than twice as > > much system time. Short of profiling the exe and perl, which I don't even > > know how to do, does anyone know why this might be? The binaries > > are around 2 megs, so they should be competitive with the memory footprint > > of perl itself. Perhaps time spent in ld, linking to the shared library? > > Time spent doing VM stuff? > > > > Of course, I could do FastCGI or something, but I'm curious =) > > > > It's hard to imagine that the Perl parser is faster at constructing an > > opcode tree than just bringing an already compiled one in from disc. > > > > Thanks, > > -scott > > Rewrite it in C or assembly language. It is the Only Way, my son. > From wlindley at wlindley.com Sat Mar 8 08:36:38 2003 From: wlindley at wlindley.com (William Lindley) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 In-Reply-To: <20030308091546.GH5456@illogics.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Scott Walters wrote: > It's okey. The feds just busted it up anyway. I did think the black helicopters were overkill. \\/ p.s., The Dial building will shortly be razed and replaced with a Touch-Tone (tm) version. From aj at exiledplanet.org Sat Mar 8 16:49:27 2003 From: aj at exiledplanet.org (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: perlcc In-Reply-To: <20030308113748.GI5456@illogics.org> References: <20030308113748.GI5456@illogics.org> Message-ID: <3E6A7377.9010200@exiledplanet.org> Scott Walters wrote: >Hi folks. > >I'm trying to squeeze every ounce of performance possible out of my server >machine, the Apple 7300/180 (the 180 is for 180 mhz). > >I have one script that is getting hit a lot and should respond quickly, >and supposedly, Perl spends a lot if not most of its time just parsing >the source code, so I gave perlcc a whirl. > >To those not familiar, perlcc lets perl parse the program, than dumps >the symbol table and opcode tree as a bunch of C datastructures, >pre initialized, along with the glue needed to link to libperl, >saving a program from having to parse the .pl file. > > normal perlcc binary >wiki.cgi .301 + .678 .361 + 1.547 >assemble.cgi 1.607 + 1.191 1.653 + 2.509 > >Time is user time + system time. > >Instead of being faster, a compiled binary is slower. > > I've heard of other people having that same problem, but I can't remember what explanation they came up with. At least you're not alone, though. From jennykitten1 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 8 22:17:31 2003 From: jennykitten1 at yahoo.com (Jenny Charlene) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 In-Reply-To: <20030308091546.GH5456@illogics.org> References: <20030308091546.GH5456@illogics.org> Message-ID: <200303082117.31410.jennykitten1@yahoo.com> On Saturday 08 March 2003 02:15 am, Scott Walters wrote: > It's okey. The feds just busted it up anyway. Did someone remember > to bail Doug out of jail? Have to do that before the next meeting... Cool, sounds like a normal day around my place. -- Take care, Jenny Random quote of the day: "The molars, I'm sure, will be all right, the molars can take care of themselves," the old man said, no longer to me. "But what will become of the bicuspids?" -- The Old Man and his Bridge From codewell at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 02:44:13 2003 From: codewell at earthlink.net (Hal Goldfarb) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UNIX/C/Perl/OO/Oracle/stupid expecatations/out of state/headhunter job In-Reply-To: <200302250204.h1P24ZJh019656@slowass.net> References: <200302250204.h1P24ZJh019656@slowass.net> Message-ID: <20030310084349.GEDV16770.fed1mtao02.cox.net@there> Scott: Just got back on line a couple of days ago. My reaction exactly to the posted ad. But you really gotta watch the spelling/grammar/other stuff (you were pissed off, I totally understand), or you will end up looking almost as bad as they do. If we are to be successful at letting these little incompetent tyrants get the message, we have to be diligent, OK? Thanks, Hal On Monday 24 February 2003 07:04 pm, you wrote: > > From: "Jeremy Langhans" > > > > Hello, > > > > I found your resume via AltaVista.com and was wondering if you or anyone > > you know would be interested and qualified for this job? > > You wanted to know if I would be qualified? I would be qualified, but > I designed to drop out of school and I didn't start programming when I > was 7, or else I would be. > > > Senior Software Development Engineer > > Why didn't you search Alta Vista for "old computer programmer"? > Anyway, I'm glad that old people are doing something besides knitting > now days to pass the time. > > > We are confidentially searching for technical wizards of guru level for > > one of our local clients. The ideal candidates will design, develop, > > debug, evaluate, troubleshoot, modify, deploy, architect and build > > complex software / systems. You will be a member of a > > cross-disciplinary team that will deliver mission-critical distributed > > systems technology on an e-commerce platform. > > All of the guru level technical wizards are desprete enough for a job > that they're willing to relocate. You're in luck. > > > The client's database-driven web site(s) seeks to be a successful > > If it is "one of" them, why aren't sure whether or not "site" is plural? > > > hi-tech buyer / seller company by centralizing millions of sellers and > > by leveraging the procurement process that interacts with thousands of > > vendors. This position requires 8 or more year's in development > > experience, with 4 or more of those in a senior / lead type role, with > > at least 3 of those leading large-scale projects creating complex > > systems (ERP supply chain a plus). > > Is it any company I've heard on, perhaps one featured on f*%dcompany.com? > > > Technical requirements include (but are not limited to) a high-level > > working expertise with: > > > > 1. C / C++ > > 2. SQL > > 3. OOP / OOD > > 4. Perl > > 5. HTTP / HTML > > 6. UNIX Application Programming > > 7. Database Programming > > 8. Client - Server Issues > > 9. Graduate Degree in Computer Science preferred > > > > Our client offers competitive compensation packages which include: > > > > 1. Salary > > 2. Comprehensive Health > > 3. 401(k) > > 4. Stock Options > > I'm glad that their compensation packages include Salary. They truely > are a unique, wonderful company. > > > Note: > > > > All potential candidates that make it past initial screens and client > > resume reviews will be tech screened by client as part of their > > application. Please send all resumes to: > > > > jlanghans@officepartnersinc.com > > Cat get on the keybaord again? Or perhaps it has your tongue. > > > Jeremy Langhans > > > > Senior Recruiter > > > > Office Partners, Inc > > > > Administrative Staffing Specialists > > > > Office: 425-450-1991 > > > > 601 108th Ave NE Suite 1900 > > > > Bellevue, WA 98004 > > > > jlanghans@officepartnersinc.com > > Should my > > resume be > > double spaced > > even though it's in ASCII > > too? > > > Anyway, folks, I don't know if this guy is for real (or the company) but if > one of you are desprete and qualified and want to move to Washington, you > can't say I'm hoarding these. > > -scott From codewell at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 02:49:48 2003 From: codewell at earthlink.net (Hal Goldfarb) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UNIX/C/Perl/OO/Oracle/stupid expecatations/out of state/headhunter job In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030224201700.009f15b0@pop.phnx.qwest.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20030224201700.009f15b0@pop.phnx.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20030310084921.HDVH6459.fed1mtao05.cox.net@there> I did some searching and actually found JOVIAL. Just how OLD are you? : ) -Hal On Monday 24 February 2003 08:17 pm, you wrote: > Sorry, I only program in JOVIAL. > > Sincerely, > Anthony Nemmer > > At 06:04 PM 2/24/03 -0800, you wrote: > >> From: "Jeremy Langhans" > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I found your resume via AltaVista.com and was wondering if you or anyone > >> you know would be interested and qualified for this job? > > > >You wanted to know if I would be qualified? I would be qualified, but > >I designed to drop out of school and I didn't start programming when I > >was 7, or else I would be. > > > >> Senior Software Development Engineer > > > >Why didn't you search Alta Vista for "old computer programmer"? > >Anyway, I'm glad that old people are doing something besides knitting > >now days to pass the time. > > > >> We are confidentially searching for technical wizards of guru level for > >> one of our local clients. The ideal candidates will design, develop, > >> debug, evaluate, troubleshoot, modify, deploy, architect and build > >> complex software / systems. You will be a member of a > >> cross-disciplinary team that will deliver mission-critical distributed > >> systems technology on an e-commerce platform. > > > >All of the guru level technical wizards are desprete enough for a job > >that they're willing to relocate. You're in luck. > > > >> The client's database-driven web site(s) seeks to be a successful > > > >If it is "one of" them, why aren't sure whether or not "site" is plural? > > > >> hi-tech buyer / seller company by centralizing millions of sellers and > >> by leveraging the procurement process that interacts with thousands of > >> vendors. This position requires 8 or more year's in development > >> experience, with 4 or more of those in a senior / lead type role, with > >> at least 3 of those leading large-scale projects creating complex > >> systems (ERP supply chain a plus). > > > >Is it any company I've heard on, perhaps one featured on f*%dcompany.com? > > > >> Technical requirements include (but are not limited to) a high-level > >> working expertise with: > >> > >> 1. C / C++ > >> 2. SQL > >> 3. OOP / OOD > >> 4. Perl > >> 5. HTTP / HTML > >> 6. UNIX Application Programming > >> 7. Database Programming > >> 8. Client - Server Issues > >> 9. Graduate Degree in Computer Science preferred > >> > >> Our client offers competitive compensation packages which include: > >> > >> 1. Salary > >> 2. Comprehensive Health > >> 3. 401(k) > >> 4. Stock Options > > > >I'm glad that their compensation packages include Salary. They truely > >are a unique, wonderful company. > > > >> Note: > >> > >> All potential candidates that make it past initial screens and client > >> resume reviews will be tech screened by client as part of their > >> application. Please send all resumes to: > >> > >> jlanghans@officepartnersinc.com > > > >Cat get on the keybaord again? Or perhaps it has your tongue. > > > >> Jeremy Langhans > >> > >> Senior Recruiter > >> > >> Office Partners, Inc > >> > >> Administrative Staffing Specialists > >> > >> Office: 425-450-1991 > >> > >> 601 108th Ave NE Suite 1900 > >> > >> Bellevue, WA 98004 > >> > >> jlanghans@officepartnersinc.com > > > >Should my > > > >resume be > > > >double spaced > > > >even though it's in ASCII > > > >too? > > > > > >Anyway, folks, I don't know if this guy is for real (or the company) but > > if one of you are > > >desprete and qualified and want to move to Washington, you can't say I'm > > hoarding these. > > >-scott From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Mar 10 10:47:03 2003 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 References: <20030308091546.GH5456@illogics.org> Message-ID: <3E6CC187.7020802@bpxinternet.com> Scott Walters wrote: > It's okey. The feds just busted it up anyway. Did someone remember > to bail Doug out of jail? Have to do that before the next meeting... > I'm out. Send any bail money you raised to the Perl Foundation. Hey, why are the meetings that don't happen more exciting than the ones that do? :) From Mark.Pease at motorola.com Mon Mar 10 11:07:38 2003 From: Mark.Pease at motorola.com (Mark Pease) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 03/06/2003 References: <20030308091546.GH5456@illogics.org> <3E6CC187.7020802@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <3E6CC65A.C62747A7@motorola.com> Doug Miles wrote: > > Scott Walters wrote: > > It's okey. The feds just busted it up anyway. Did someone remember > > to bail Doug out of jail? Have to do that before the next meeting... > > > > I'm out. Send any bail money you raised to the Perl Foundation. Hey, > why are the meetings that don't happen more exciting than the ones that > do? :) Imagination, when set free, can wible and jible, and is a sight to see. -- Mark Pease Mark.Pease@motorola.com Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories perl@perl.sps.mot.com 2100 E. Elliot Rd. Phone: (480) 413-3919 Mail Stop: AZ34 EL741 Tempe, AZ 85284 Pager: (800) 381-3304 Fax: (480) 413-7918 Co-Author (with Carl Dichter) of "Software Engineering with Perl" ***This note may contain Motorola Confidential Proprietary or Motorola Internal Use Only Information. Please handle accordingly.*** From brooksj at asu.edu Mon Mar 10 12:54:55 2003 From: brooksj at asu.edu (Jo Brooks) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: any interest in old TPJs? Message-ID: <200303101854.h2AIst7d027473@enws948.eas.asu.edu> I was going through boxes in the garage, cleaning up and clearing out, when I ran across a stack of Perl Journals. A complete run from #1-#20. Anyone here interested in them? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jo Brooks, Tech Support Analyst, Sr brooksj at asu dot edu Arizona State University Telecommunications Research Center "This is a Unix system...I know this!" From scott at illogics.org Mon Mar 10 18:16:30 2003 From: scott at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: any interest in old TPJs? Message-ID: <20030311001630.GT5456@illogics.org> Sure! I'd like to barrow them for, eh, research, yeah, research for http://wiki.slowass.net/?PerlDesignPatterns - if someone else wants them too, I'd be happy to just barrow them for a week then pass them on. Or, if people like, I can take them and put them up for loan on http://wiki.slowass.net/?BookShelf I'd really like to put BookShelf on phoenix.pm.org, but I don't know about the legalities or appropriateness of it. I myself am hesitent - but if encouraged and there are no objections and someone can dispell my concerns, I'll do that. I have a policy of not buying any book I can exhaust in a few days. I'll read them at the book store and leave them there. A truely engaging book, though, finds its way home with me somehow =] Re: the meeting that didn't happen, Bill and I showed up severely late and found no one there (leading to the supposition that it was busted up). Cheers, -scott On 0, Jo Brooks wrote: > > > I was going through boxes in the garage, cleaning up and clearing > out, when I ran across a stack of Perl Journals. A complete run > from #1-#20. > > Anyone here interested in them? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jo Brooks, Tech Support Analyst, Sr brooksj at asu dot edu > Arizona State University > Telecommunications Research Center "This is a Unix system...I know this!" > > From vodhner at cox.net Mon Mar 10 20:25:42 2003 From: vodhner at cox.net (Victor Odhner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:57 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UNIX/C/Perl/OO/Oracle/stupid expecatations/out of state/headhunter job References: <3.0.6.32.20030224201700.009f15b0@pop.phnx.qwest.net> <20030310084921.HDVH6459.fed1mtao05.cox.net@there> Message-ID: <3E6D4926.9020505@cox.net> Hal Goldfarb wrote: > I did some searching and actually found JOVIAL. > Just how OLD are you? : ) Ah yes. Jules's Own Version of the International Algorithmic Language. It was a dialect of ALGOL (the original block-structured language) that was used by the Air Force, I believe, and also by U.S. Steel in a special purpose system that Burroughs was building for it ... I was a technical writer on the project in 1968. I'm not knitting. I'm working clerical jobs during the day, and hacking Perl for a much better rate (though not like the Old Days) at night. Oh yes ... JOVIAL is sort of a great-granduncle of Perl, since JOVIAL was a ALGOL's errant son and Perl is descended partly from C which is definitely descended partly from ALGOL, maybe with PL/I in the chain somewhere in between. With Perl, we don't need no other stinkin' languages. P.S. -- I also programmed under *GCOS, which is memorialized by a field in Unix's password file. Vic * Did that as recently as 1995.