From phaedrus at illogics.org Tue Sep 3 06:34:59 2002 From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Early perl humor Message-ID: I got this off of the gopher humor archive at the UofMn perhaps 7 or 8 years back. It contains references to the 1992 presidential election. Its not perl specific, but if you'll notice, the maniac archetype has many references to perl. http://www.slowass.net/phaedrus/texts/Types_of_system_administrators.html Just finish a frenzied two coding, uh, frenzy, and I'm happy to report that I did complete the assignment and get my entry in. Barely. Yay me. http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html I think next year Phoenix PM should hole up in bunker with pizza and jolt and do a group effort. Ie, I'm never doing *that* again alone. I used an agent based approach, where multiple independent persistent routines prioritized requests. The task involved running a maze, and shuttling packages about, attempting to optimize the fetching and delivery of packages to the shortist route. I could turn it into a presentation on: 1. breadth first recursion with map solving as a case study, using map decomposition into "blocks" as optimization 2. "intelligent" agents 3. "functional programming" This *was* a functional programming contest. Excerpts from Haskell's website (yes, thats Haskell, with an "H"): "Much of a software product's life is spent in specification, design and maintenance, and not in programming." "Anyone who has used a spreadsheet has experience of functional programming. In a spreadsheet, one specifies the value of each cell in terms of the values of other cells. The focus is on what is to be computed, not how it should be computed." "An interesting consequence of the spreadsheet's unspecified order of re-calculation is that the notion of assignment is not very useful. After all, if you don't know exactly when an assignment will happen, you can't make much use of it! This contrasts strongly with programs in conventional languages like C, which consist essentially of a carefully-specified sequence of assignments, or Java, in which the ordering of method calls is crucial to the meaning of a program." They're going a bit red blowing their own horn there (but so am I), but it embodies some interesting ideas, all of which translate just fine to perl as far as I can tell. Cheers, -scott From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue Sep 3 08:15:58 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Early perl humor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020903061558.0080a7b0@pop.phnx.qwest.net> I need a beer. At 04:34 AM 9/3/02 -0700, you wrote: > >I got this off of the gopher humor archive at the UofMn perhaps 7 or 8 years >back. It contains references to the 1992 presidential election. >Its not perl specific, but if you'll notice, the maniac archetype has >many references to perl. > >http://www.slowass.net/phaedrus/texts/Types_of_system_administrators.html > >Just finish a frenzied two coding, uh, frenzy, and I'm happy to report that >I did complete the assignment and get my entry in. Barely. Yay me. > >http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html > >I think next year Phoenix PM should hole up in bunker with pizza and jolt and >do a group effort. Ie, I'm never doing *that* again alone. > >I used an agent based approach, where multiple independent persistent >routines prioritized requests. The task involved running a maze, and >shuttling packages about, attempting to optimize the fetching and delivery >of packages to the shortist route. > >I could turn it into a presentation on: > >1. breadth first recursion with map solving as a case study, using > map decomposition into "blocks" as optimization >2. "intelligent" agents >3. "functional programming" > >This *was* a functional programming contest. > >Excerpts from Haskell's website (yes, thats Haskell, with an "H"): > >"Much of a software product's life is spent in specification, design and >maintenance, and not in programming." > >"Anyone who has used a spreadsheet has experience of functional programming. In >a spreadsheet, one specifies the value of each cell in terms of the values of >other cells. The focus is on what is to be computed, not how it should be >computed." > >"An interesting consequence of the spreadsheet's unspecified order of >re-calculation is that the notion of assignment is not very useful. After all, >if you don't know exactly when an assignment will happen, you can't make much >use of it! This contrasts strongly with programs in conventional languages like >C, which consist essentially of a carefully-specified sequence of assignments, >or Java, in which the ordering of method calls is crucial to the meaning of a >program." > >They're going a bit red blowing their own horn there (but so am I), but it >embodies some interesting ideas, all of which translate just fine to perl as >far as I can tell. > >Cheers, >-scott > > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From eden.li at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 10:30:46 2002 From: eden.li at asu.edu (Eden Li) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Early perl humor References: Message-ID: <001501c2535e$dfa9e5c0$652a2a0a@LUFA> This is all fine and dandy, but what language you use really depends on the application you're working on. One size fits all languages rarely stay around very long (i.e. the ones that encompass all the programming language models). In some cases it makes sense to use an imperative language like C or Java; in others it makes more sense to use a logical language like Prolog. Don't get me wrong, I love programming in functional programming languages; I just get kinda worked up when people (*ahem* Haskell developers) use merits of functional programming on the whole to promote their one functional language out of a class of many. I hope I'm making sense; I tend to skip important steps in logic when I've just had my coffee. Alrighty, I think I'm done here. eden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Walters" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:34 AM Subject: Phoenix.pm: Early perl humor > > I got this off of the gopher humor archive at the UofMn perhaps 7 or 8 years > back. It contains references to the 1992 presidential election. > Its not perl specific, but if you'll notice, the maniac archetype has > many references to perl. > > http://www.slowass.net/phaedrus/texts/Types_of_system_administrators.html > > Just finish a frenzied two coding, uh, frenzy, and I'm happy to report that > I did complete the assignment and get my entry in. Barely. Yay me. > > http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html > > I think next year Phoenix PM should hole up in bunker with pizza and jolt and > do a group effort. Ie, I'm never doing *that* again alone. > > I used an agent based approach, where multiple independent persistent > routines prioritized requests. The task involved running a maze, and > shuttling packages about, attempting to optimize the fetching and delivery > of packages to the shortist route. > > I could turn it into a presentation on: > > 1. breadth first recursion with map solving as a case study, using > map decomposition into "blocks" as optimization > 2. "intelligent" agents > 3. "functional programming" > > This *was* a functional programming contest. > > Excerpts from Haskell's website (yes, thats Haskell, with an "H"): > > "Much of a software product's life is spent in specification, design and > maintenance, and not in programming." > > "Anyone who has used a spreadsheet has experience of functional programming. In > a spreadsheet, one specifies the value of each cell in terms of the values of > other cells. The focus is on what is to be computed, not how it should be > computed." > > "An interesting consequence of the spreadsheet's unspecified order of > re-calculation is that the notion of assignment is not very useful. After all, > if you don't know exactly when an assignment will happen, you can't make much > use of it! This contrasts strongly with programs in conventional languages like > C, which consist essentially of a carefully-specified sequence of assignments, > or Java, in which the ordering of method calls is crucial to the meaning of a > program." > > They're going a bit red blowing their own horn there (but so am I), but it > embodies some interesting ideas, all of which translate just fine to perl as > far as I can tell. > > Cheers, > -scott > > From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue Sep 3 11:12:28 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Early perl humor In-Reply-To: <001501c2535e$dfa9e5c0$652a2a0a@LUFA> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020903091228.0081d9e0@pop.phnx.qwest.net> beer is food. At 08:30 AM 9/3/02 -0700, you wrote: >This is all fine and dandy, but what language you use really depends >on the application you're working on. One size fits all languages >rarely stay around very long (i.e. the ones that encompass all the >programming language models). In some cases it makes sense >to use an imperative language like C or Java; in others it makes >more sense to use a logical language like Prolog. Don't get me >wrong, I love programming in functional programming languages; >I just get kinda worked up when people (*ahem* Haskell >developers) use merits of functional programming on the whole >to promote their one functional language out of a class of many. > >I hope I'm making sense; I tend to skip important steps in logic >when I've just had my coffee. Alrighty, I think I'm done here. > >eden > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Walters" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:34 AM >Subject: Phoenix.pm: Early perl humor > > >> >> I got this off of the gopher humor archive at the UofMn perhaps 7 or 8 years >> back. It contains references to the 1992 presidential election. >> Its not perl specific, but if you'll notice, the maniac archetype has >> many references to perl. >> >> http://www.slowass.net/phaedrus/texts/Types_of_system_administrators.html >> >> Just finish a frenzied two coding, uh, frenzy, and I'm happy to report that >> I did complete the assignment and get my entry in. Barely. Yay me. >> >> http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html >> >> I think next year Phoenix PM should hole up in bunker with pizza and jolt and >> do a group effort. Ie, I'm never doing *that* again alone. >> >> I used an agent based approach, where multiple independent persistent >> routines prioritized requests. The task involved running a maze, and >> shuttling packages about, attempting to optimize the fetching and delivery >> of packages to the shortist route. >> >> I could turn it into a presentation on: >> >> 1. breadth first recursion with map solving as a case study, using >> map decomposition into "blocks" as optimization >> 2. "intelligent" agents >> 3. "functional programming" >> >> This *was* a functional programming contest. >> >> Excerpts from Haskell's website (yes, thats Haskell, with an "H"): >> >> "Much of a software product's life is spent in specification, design and >> maintenance, and not in programming." >> >> "Anyone who has used a spreadsheet has experience of functional programming. In >> a spreadsheet, one specifies the value of each cell in terms of the values of >> other cells. The focus is on what is to be computed, not how it should be >> computed." >> >> "An interesting consequence of the spreadsheet's unspecified order of >> re-calculation is that the notion of assignment is not very useful. After all, >> if you don't know exactly when an assignment will happen, you can't make much >> use of it! This contrasts strongly with programs in conventional languages like >> C, which consist essentially of a carefully-specified sequence of assignments, >> or Java, in which the ordering of method calls is crucial to the meaning of a >> program." >> >> They're going a bit red blowing their own horn there (but so am I), but it >> embodies some interesting ideas, all of which translate just fine to perl as >> far as I can tell. >> >> Cheers, >> -scott >> >> > > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Sep 3 13:00:05 2002 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Early perl humor References: Message-ID: <3D74F8A5.4050304@bpxinternet.com> Scott Walters wrote: > I got this off of the gopher humor archive at the UofMn perhaps 7 or 8 years > back. It contains references to the 1992 presidential election. > Its not perl specific, but if you'll notice, the maniac archetype has > many references to perl. > > http://www.slowass.net/phaedrus/texts/Types_of_system_administrators.html > > Just finish a frenzied two coding, uh, frenzy, and I'm happy to report that > I did complete the assignment and get my entry in. Barely. Yay me. > > http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html > > I think next year Phoenix PM should hole up in bunker with pizza and jolt and > do a group effort. Ie, I'm never doing *that* again alone. > > I used an agent based approach, where multiple independent persistent > routines prioritized requests. The task involved running a maze, and > shuttling packages about, attempting to optimize the fetching and delivery > of packages to the shortist route. > > I could turn it into a presentation on: > > 1. breadth first recursion with map solving as a case study, using > map decomposition into "blocks" as optimization > 2. "intelligent" agents > 3. "functional programming" Cool! Can you do it by Thursday? :) > This *was* a functional programming contest. > > Excerpts from Haskell's website (yes, thats Haskell, with an "H"): > > "Much of a software product's life is spent in specification, design and > maintenance, and not in programming." > > "Anyone who has used a spreadsheet has experience of functional programming. In > a spreadsheet, one specifies the value of each cell in terms of the values of > other cells. The focus is on what is to be computed, not how it should be > computed." > > "An interesting consequence of the spreadsheet's unspecified order of > re-calculation is that the notion of assignment is not very useful. After all, > if you don't know exactly when an assignment will happen, you can't make much > use of it! This contrasts strongly with programs in conventional languages like > C, which consist essentially of a carefully-specified sequence of assignments, > or Java, in which the ordering of method calls is crucial to the meaning of a > program." > > They're going a bit red blowing their own horn there (but so am I), but it > embodies some interesting ideas, all of which translate just fine to perl as > far as I can tell. > > Cheers, > -scott > > From John.Bennett at schwab.com Tue Sep 3 15:52:36 2002 From: John.Bennett at schwab.com (Bennett, John) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB Message-ID: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFCCB@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> Looks like the Schwab site is out of the question. We have "extra friends" in the building. Getting ready for the "layoffs". Major bumer, No fun. Can we use the regular site? The coffie shop would be very cool too, I will just have to print out the code for viewing and review.... JB.... -----Original Message----- From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:22 AM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB Bennett, John wrote: > Opps! > Wow, I just know that I will be flamed to ash for this... > > I was thinking of the 26th Sept! > > Sorry! > JB Looks like everyone is too lazy (a virtue!) to flame you. :) The 26th is great with me. Where is the presentation going to be? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tran Forsythe [mailto:tran_fors@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:13 PM > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. > Thanks JB > > > > Well, it's on a Friday (I think some said they can't > make Fridays, way back when we agreed on Thursdays), > but I'm able to make that date. > -Kurt > > --- "Bennett, John" wrote: > >>Hi all, >>I was hoping that we can have a PM meting on the >>27th of >>Sept? >> >>We (me,JB, Matt Klunder, Elston, Jeremy) are wishing >>to present some of the >>nifty Web log reporting, Detection, Reporting that >>we have been doing >>here at work. >> >>The purpose of the 27th? You ask? Matt Klunder will >>be flying in >>for this event. Thus I am requesting some feedback. >> >>Thanks JB! >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com >>[mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:23 AM >>To: Phoenix.pm >>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 08/22/2002 >> >> >>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday August >>22nd at 7:00PM. >>It will be held at The Willow House, which is >>located at 149 W. McDowell >>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This >>is a social meeting, >>so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow >>House has coffee, >>and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are >>hungry. If you want more >>information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See >>you there! >> >>Also, this coinsides with the Slashdot meetup >>(http://slashdot.meetup.com/), so we might run into >>some Slashdoters. >>(If they show up.) :) >> >> >> >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > From intertwingled at qwest.net Tue Sep 3 16:42:41 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB In-Reply-To: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFCCB@n2011pmx.nt.schwa b.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020903144241.00806870@pop.phnx.qwest.net> What about Channel 3 Headquarters? I have the biggest crush on Liz Habeeb! =~) Tony At 01:52 PM 9/3/02 -0700, you wrote: >Looks like the Schwab site is out of the question. >We have "extra friends" in the building. Getting >ready for the "layoffs". > >Major bumer, No fun. > > >Can we use the >regular site? >The coffie shop would be very cool too, I will just have to print >out the code for viewing and review.... > > JB.... > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:22 AM >To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >Thank s JB > > >Bennett, John wrote: >> Opps! >> Wow, I just know that I will be flamed to ash for this... >> >> I was thinking of the 26th Sept! >> >> Sorry! >> JB > >Looks like everyone is too lazy (a virtue!) to flame you. :) The 26th >is great with me. Where is the presentation going to be? > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tran Forsythe [mailto:tran_fors@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:13 PM >> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >> Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >> Thanks JB >> >> >> >> Well, it's on a Friday (I think some said they can't >> make Fridays, way back when we agreed on Thursdays), >> but I'm able to make that date. >> -Kurt >> >> --- "Bennett, John" wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>>I was hoping that we can have a PM meting on the >>>27th of >>>Sept? >>> >>>We (me,JB, Matt Klunder, Elston, Jeremy) are wishing >>>to present some of the >>>nifty Web log reporting, Detection, Reporting that >>>we have been doing >>>here at work. >>> >>>The purpose of the 27th? You ask? Matt Klunder will >>>be flying in >>>for this event. Thus I am requesting some feedback. >>> >>>Thanks JB! >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com >>>[mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >>>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:23 AM >>>To: Phoenix.pm >>>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 08/22/2002 >>> >>> >>>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday August >>>22nd at 7:00PM. >>>It will be held at The Willow House, which is >>>located at 149 W. McDowell >>>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This >>>is a social meeting, >>>so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow >>>House has coffee, >>>and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are >>>hungry. If you want more >>>information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See >>>you there! >>> >>>Also, this coinsides with the Slashdot meetup >>>(http://slashdot.meetup.com/), so we might run into >>>some Slashdoters. >>>(If they show up.) :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >> http://finance.yahoo.com >> > > > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 20:34:02 2002 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB In-Reply-To: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFCCB@n2011pmx.nt.schwa b.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020903183246.02613250@mail.earthlink.net> At 01:52 PM 9/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Looks like the Schwab site is out of the question. >We have "extra friends" in the building. Getting >ready for the "layoffs". > >Major bumer, No fun. > > >Can we use the >regular site? >The coffie shop would be very cool too, I will just have to print >out the code for viewing and review.... > > JB.... Either will work. Which do you prefer? >-----Original Message----- >From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:22 AM >To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >Thank s JB > > >Bennett, John wrote: > > Opps! > > Wow, I just know that I will be flamed to ash for this... > > > > I was thinking of the 26th Sept! > > > > Sorry! > > JB > >Looks like everyone is too lazy (a virtue!) to flame you. :) The 26th >is great with me. Where is the presentation going to be? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tran Forsythe [mailto:tran_fors@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:13 PM > > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. > > Thanks JB > > > > > > > > Well, it's on a Friday (I think some said they can't > > make Fridays, way back when we agreed on Thursdays), > > but I'm able to make that date. > > -Kurt > > > > --- "Bennett, John" wrote: > > > >>Hi all, > >>I was hoping that we can have a PM meting on the > >>27th of > >>Sept? > >> > >>We (me,JB, Matt Klunder, Elston, Jeremy) are wishing > >>to present some of the > >>nifty Web log reporting, Detection, Reporting that > >>we have been doing > >>here at work. > >> > >>The purpose of the 27th? You ask? Matt Klunder will > >>be flying in > >>for this event. Thus I am requesting some feedback. > >> > >>Thanks JB! > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com > >>[mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:23 AM > >>To: Phoenix.pm > >>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 08/22/2002 > >> > >> > >>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday August > >>22nd at 7:00PM. > >>It will be held at The Willow House, which is > >>located at 149 W. McDowell > >>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This > >>is a social meeting, > >>so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow > >>House has coffee, > >>and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are > >>hungry. If you want more > >>information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See > >>you there! > >> > >>Also, this coinsides with the Slashdot meetup > >>(http://slashdot.meetup.com/), so we might run into > >>some Slashdoters. > >>(If they show up.) :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 20:35:30 2002 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020903144241.00806870@pop.phnx.qwest.net> References: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFCCB@n2011pmx.nt.schwa b.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020903183417.02616ec0@mail.earthlink.net> At 02:42 PM 9/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >What about Channel 3 Headquarters? I have >the biggest crush on Liz Habeeb! =~) > >Tony I'm not sure we have a contact there any more. I guess you'll just have to catch the evening news. :) >At 01:52 PM 9/3/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Looks like the Schwab site is out of the question. > >We have "extra friends" in the building. Getting > >ready for the "layoffs". > > > >Major bumer, No fun. > > > > > >Can we use the > >regular site? > >The coffie shop would be very cool too, I will just have to print > >out the code for viewing and review.... > > > > JB.... > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:22 AM > >To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > >Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. > >Thank s JB > > > > > >Bennett, John wrote: > >> Opps! > >> Wow, I just know that I will be flamed to ash for this... > >> > >> I was thinking of the 26th Sept! > >> > >> Sorry! > >> JB > > > >Looks like everyone is too lazy (a virtue!) to flame you. :) The 26th > >is great with me. Where is the presentation going to be? > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tran Forsythe [mailto:tran_fors@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:13 PM > >> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > >> Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. > >> Thanks JB > >> > >> > >> > >> Well, it's on a Friday (I think some said they can't > >> make Fridays, way back when we agreed on Thursdays), > >> but I'm able to make that date. > >> -Kurt > >> > >> --- "Bennett, John" wrote: > >> > >>>Hi all, > >>>I was hoping that we can have a PM meting on the > >>>27th of > >>>Sept? > >>> > >>>We (me,JB, Matt Klunder, Elston, Jeremy) are wishing > >>>to present some of the > >>>nifty Web log reporting, Detection, Reporting that > >>>we have been doing > >>>here at work. > >>> > >>>The purpose of the 27th? You ask? Matt Klunder will > >>>be flying in > >>>for this event. Thus I am requesting some feedback. > >>> > >>>Thanks JB! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com > >>>[mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > >>>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:23 AM > >>>To: Phoenix.pm > >>>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 08/22/2002 > >>> > >>> > >>>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday August > >>>22nd at 7:00PM. > >>>It will be held at The Willow House, which is > >>>located at 149 W. McDowell > >>>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This > >>>is a social meeting, > >>>so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow > >>>House has coffee, > >>>and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are > >>>hungry. If you want more > >>>information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See > >>>you there! > >>> > >>>Also, this coinsides with the Slashdot meetup > >>>(http://slashdot.meetup.com/), so we might run into > >>>some Slashdoters. > >>>(If they show up.) :) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > >> http://finance.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > > > > >-- >even the safest course is fraught with peril From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Wed Sep 4 12:08:37 2002 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/05/2002 Message-ID: <3D763E15.3080101@bpxinternet.com> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, September 5th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. Scott will be presenting his ICFP entry, including: 1. breadth first recursion with map solving as a case study, using map decomposition into "blocks" as optimization 2. "intelligent" agents 3. "functional programming" If I'm wrong, Scott will correct me I'm sure. :) -- - Doug From John.Bennett at schwab.com Wed Sep 4 14:45:44 2002 From: John.Bennett at schwab.com (Bennett, John) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB Message-ID: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFCE4@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> Coffee! !!!!!!!!YES CAFINE! ....But we should invite channel 3.... -----Original Message----- From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:34 PM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB At 01:52 PM 9/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Looks like the Schwab site is out of the question. >We have "extra friends" in the building. Getting >ready for the "layoffs". > >Major bumer, No fun. > > >Can we use the >regular site? >The coffie shop would be very cool too, I will just have to print >out the code for viewing and review.... > > JB.... Either will work. Which do you prefer? >-----Original Message----- >From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:22 AM >To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >Thank s JB > > >Bennett, John wrote: > > Opps! > > Wow, I just know that I will be flamed to ash for this... > > > > I was thinking of the 26th Sept! > > > > Sorry! > > JB > >Looks like everyone is too lazy (a virtue!) to flame you. :) The 26th >is great with me. Where is the presentation going to be? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tran Forsythe [mailto:tran_fors@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:13 PM > > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. > > Thanks JB > > > > > > > > Well, it's on a Friday (I think some said they can't > > make Fridays, way back when we agreed on Thursdays), > > but I'm able to make that date. > > -Kurt > > > > --- "Bennett, John" wrote: > > > >>Hi all, > >>I was hoping that we can have a PM meting on the > >>27th of > >>Sept? > >> > >>We (me,JB, Matt Klunder, Elston, Jeremy) are wishing > >>to present some of the > >>nifty Web log reporting, Detection, Reporting that > >>we have been doing > >>here at work. > >> > >>The purpose of the 27th? You ask? Matt Klunder will > >>be flying in > >>for this event. Thus I am requesting some feedback. > >> > >>Thanks JB! > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com > >>[mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:23 AM > >>To: Phoenix.pm > >>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 08/22/2002 > >> > >> > >>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday August > >>22nd at 7:00PM. > >>It will be held at The Willow House, which is > >>located at 149 W. McDowell > >>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This > >>is a social meeting, > >>so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow > >>House has coffee, > >>and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are > >>hungry. If you want more > >>information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See > >>you there! > >> > >>Also, this coinsides with the Slashdot meetup > >>(http://slashdot.meetup.com/), so we might run into > >>some Slashdoters. > >>(If they show up.) :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > From Jeremy.Elston at schwab.com Wed Sep 4 15:24:15 2002 From: Jeremy.Elston at schwab.com (Elston, Jeremy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB Message-ID: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA8881C5F8A80@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> Why bother with channel 3, let's just invite Christie's Cabaret instead... -----Original Message----- From: Bennett, John [mailto:John.Bennett@schwab.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:46 PM To: 'phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' Cc: Klunder, Matthew Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB Coffee! !!!!!!!!YES CAFINE! ....But we should invite channel 3.... -----Original Message----- From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:34 PM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB At 01:52 PM 9/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Looks like the Schwab site is out of the question. >We have "extra friends" in the building. Getting >ready for the "layoffs". > >Major bumer, No fun. > > >Can we use the >regular site? >The coffie shop would be very cool too, I will just have to print >out the code for viewing and review.... > > JB.... Either will work. Which do you prefer? >-----Original Message----- >From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:22 AM >To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >Thank s JB > > >Bennett, John wrote: > > Opps! > > Wow, I just know that I will be flamed to ash for this... > > > > I was thinking of the 26th Sept! > > > > Sorry! > > JB > >Looks like everyone is too lazy (a virtue!) to flame you. :) The 26th >is great with me. Where is the presentation going to be? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tran Forsythe [mailto:tran_fors@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:13 PM > > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. > > Thanks JB > > > > > > > > Well, it's on a Friday (I think some said they can't > > make Fridays, way back when we agreed on Thursdays), > > but I'm able to make that date. > > -Kurt > > > > --- "Bennett, John" wrote: > > > >>Hi all, > >>I was hoping that we can have a PM meting on the > >>27th of > >>Sept? > >> > >>We (me,JB, Matt Klunder, Elston, Jeremy) are wishing > >>to present some of the > >>nifty Web log reporting, Detection, Reporting that > >>we have been doing > >>here at work. > >> > >>The purpose of the 27th? You ask? Matt Klunder will > >>be flying in > >>for this event. Thus I am requesting some feedback. > >> > >>Thanks JB! > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com > >>[mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:23 AM > >>To: Phoenix.pm > >>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 08/22/2002 > >> > >> > >>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday August > >>22nd at 7:00PM. > >>It will be held at The Willow House, which is > >>located at 149 W. McDowell > >>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This > >>is a social meeting, > >>so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow > >>House has coffee, > >>and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are > >>hungry. If you want more > >>information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See > >>you there! > >> > >>Also, this coinsides with the Slashdot meetup > >>(http://slashdot.meetup.com/), so we might run into > >>some Slashdoters. > >>(If they show up.) :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > From intertwingled at qwest.net Wed Sep 4 16:50:12 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. Thank s JB In-Reply-To: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA8881C5F8A80@n2011pmx.nt.schwa b.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020904145012.00826a90@pop.phnx.qwest.net> Hey, let's have the next meeting at Bandaid's on 7th Street and Thomas, I believe that's where it is. Great titty bar! Tony At 01:24 PM 9/4/02 -0700, you wrote: >Why bother with channel 3, let's just invite Christie's Cabaret instead... > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bennett, John [mailto:John.Bennett@schwab.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:46 PM >To: 'phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' >Cc: Klunder, Matthew >Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >Thank s JB > > >Coffee! >!!!!!!!!YES CAFINE! >....But we should invite channel 3.... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:34 PM >To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >Thank s JB > > >At 01:52 PM 9/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>Looks like the Schwab site is out of the question. >>We have "extra friends" in the building. Getting >>ready for the "layoffs". >> >>Major bumer, No fun. >> >> >>Can we use the >>regular site? >>The coffie shop would be very cool too, I will just have to print >>out the code for viewing and review.... >> >> JB.... > >Either will work. Which do you prefer? > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >>Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:22 AM >>To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >>Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >>Thank s JB >> >> >>Bennett, John wrote: >> > Opps! >> > Wow, I just know that I will be flamed to ash for this... >> > >> > I was thinking of the 26th Sept! >> > >> > Sorry! >> > JB >> >>Looks like everyone is too lazy (a virtue!) to flame you. :) The 26th >>is great with me. Where is the presentation going to be? >> >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tran Forsythe [mailto:tran_fors@yahoo.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:13 PM >> > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >> > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: JB asking about a meting on the 27 of Sept. >> > Thanks JB >> > >> > >> > >> > Well, it's on a Friday (I think some said they can't >> > make Fridays, way back when we agreed on Thursdays), >> > but I'm able to make that date. >> > -Kurt >> > >> > --- "Bennett, John" wrote: >> > >> >>Hi all, >> >>I was hoping that we can have a PM meting on the >> >>27th of >> >>Sept? >> >> >> >>We (me,JB, Matt Klunder, Elston, Jeremy) are wishing >> >>to present some of the >> >>nifty Web log reporting, Detection, Reporting that >> >>we have been doing >> >>here at work. >> >> >> >>The purpose of the 27th? You ask? Matt Klunder will >> >>be flying in >> >>for this event. Thus I am requesting some feedback. >> >> >> >>Thanks JB! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com >> >>[mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >> >>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:23 AM >> >>To: Phoenix.pm >> >>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 08/22/2002 >> >> >> >> >> >>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday August >> >>22nd at 7:00PM. >> >>It will be held at The Willow House, which is >> >>located at 149 W. McDowell >> >>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. This >> >>is a social meeting, >> >>so just show up, hang out, and have fun. The Willow >> >>House has coffee, >> >>and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are >> >>hungry. If you want more >> >>information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See >> >>you there! >> >> >> >>Also, this coinsides with the Slashdot meetup >> >>(http://slashdot.meetup.com/), so we might run into >> >>some Slashdoters. >> >>(If they show up.) :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >> > http://finance.yahoo.com >> > > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From John.Bennett at schwab.com Fri Sep 6 13:10:28 2002 From: John.Bennett at schwab.com (Bennett, John) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: JB just got this: ~~~~~~~~~ SYBASE DBA JOB IN PHX. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Message-ID: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFD02@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> Anyone? Contact Jessica directly. Coolness JB. -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Goody [mailto:JGoody@gw.ctg.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:20 PM To: John.Bennett@schwab.com Subject: Hi John: Hi John: Do you know anyone with 5+ years Sybase DBA experience that might be interested in a positon with CTG in the greater-Phoenix area? These are long-term, on-going openings and I can give you great detail if you can think of anyone. In the meantime, keep in touch and enjoy the evening! Regards, Jessica Goody, Sr. Recruiter CTG-CA, WA, OR, AZ phone: (408) 441-6777, x13 fax: (408) 441-8148 www.ctg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/phoenix-pm/attachments/20020906/14a5175b/attachment.htm From phaedrus at illogics.org Sun Sep 8 04:01:58 2002 From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Design Patterns Message-ID: Hi folks... I've written more examples, more prose, removed prose, and merged in content from other books (Object Oriented Design Heuristics proved to be an exceptional book, Refactoring Improving the Quality of Existing Code was pretty good, but Design Patterns Elements of Reusable Software I found disappointing). I'm really unhappy with the prose still. Reading it than reading something by Larry shows a chasm the size of the grand canyon. I have some of my things I need to merge in, merge in some examples from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (an excellent book). I haven't read the *original* Design Patterns book, by Chrisopher Alexandar, which was written for architecture, not computer science. Also, I've been meaning to make it down to ASU and pull Mark and Carl's book. There are entire sections I haven't touched and entire sections still on the first draft. After exchanging emails with some other perl folks who are working on similar projects and agreeing to "probably" collaborate, the text is now officially GNU Free Documentation License. Also, from mailing a dozen odd publishers (starting with O'Reilly and working down) the only reply I've gotten was from GNU, which was enthusastic and cheerful - and quick. Everyone else can sit and spin ;) Of course, GNU wouldn't pay any money, but they also wouldn't exclude other publishers. O'Reilly is starting to publish "community documentation". Anywho, I've got a long way to go, but its a heck of a lot better than the last revision. http://www.slowass.net/~phaedrus/perlpatterns/ Feedback, ideas, thoughts, examples of good and bad Perl applications most welcome. -scott From intertwingled at qwest.net Sun Sep 8 08:21:58 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Design Patterns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020908062158.007a3e00@pop.phnx.qwest.net> Errm, is this "concrete perl poetry"? There is a poetry night at Willow House. =) At 02:01 AM 9/8/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi folks... > >I've written more examples, more prose, removed prose, and merged >in content from other books (Object Oriented Design Heuristics proved >to be an exceptional book, Refactoring Improving the Quality of >Existing Code was pretty good, but Design Patterns Elements of Reusable >Software I found disappointing). > >I'm really unhappy with the prose still. Reading it than reading >something by Larry shows a chasm the size of the grand canyon. > >I have some of my things I need to merge in, merge in some examples from >Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (an excellent book). > >I haven't read the *original* Design Patterns book, by Chrisopher >Alexandar, which was written for architecture, not computer science. >Also, I've been meaning to make it down to ASU and pull Mark and Carl's >book. > >There are entire sections I haven't touched and entire sections still >on the first draft. > >After exchanging emails with some other perl folks who are working >on similar projects and agreeing to "probably" collaborate, the >text is now officially GNU Free Documentation License. Also, from >mailing a dozen odd publishers (starting with O'Reilly and working down) >the only reply I've gotten was from GNU, which was enthusastic and >cheerful - and quick. Everyone else can sit and spin ;) Of course, >GNU wouldn't pay any money, but they also wouldn't exclude other >publishers. O'Reilly is starting to publish "community documentation". > >Anywho, I've got a long way to go, but its a heck of a lot better >than the last revision. > >http://www.slowass.net/~phaedrus/perlpatterns/ > >Feedback, ideas, thoughts, examples of good and bad Perl applications >most welcome. > >-scott > > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From Mark.Pease at motorola.com Mon Sep 9 12:02:34 2002 From: Mark.Pease at motorola.com (Mark Pease) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Design Patterns References: Message-ID: <3D7CD42A.B063146A@motorola.com> Scott Walters wrote: > Also, I've been meaning to make it down to ASU and pull Mark and Carl's > book. > If you are making a special trip, I would say "don't bother" :-) The book is written for Perl 4.036 (Ah... remember when...) and doesn't cover design patterns (or, even algorithms,) but covers rapid prototyping, metrics, source control, etc. Shoot, I still have a copy or two kicking around. Maybe I should raffle them off (Proceeds to the Perl Foundation, of course!) > > http://www.slowass.net/~phaedrus/perlpatterns/ > > Feedback, ideas, thoughts, examples of good and bad Perl applications > most welcome. I'll give it a gander, and send you some feedback. -- Mark Pease Mark.Pease@motorola.com Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories perl@perl.sps.mot.com 2100 E. Elliot Rd. Phone: (480) 413-3919 Mail Stop: AZ34 EL741 Tempe, AZ 85284 Pager: (800) 381-3304 Fax: (480) 413-7918 Co-Author (with Carl Dichter) of "Software Engineering with Perl" From intertwingled at qwest.net Mon Sep 9 12:48:56 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Design Patterns In-Reply-To: <3D7CD42A.B063146A@motorola.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020909104856.007b8910@pop.phnx.qwest.net> Perl 4 will be supported forever! At 10:02 AM 9/9/02 -0700, you wrote: >Scott Walters wrote: >> Also, I've been meaning to make it down to ASU and pull Mark and Carl's >> book. >> > >If you are making a special trip, I would say "don't bother" :-) The >book is written for Perl 4.036 (Ah... remember when...) and doesn't >cover design patterns (or, even algorithms,) but covers rapid >prototyping, metrics, source control, etc. > >Shoot, I still have a copy or two kicking around. Maybe I should raffle >them off (Proceeds to the Perl Foundation, of course!) > >> >> http://www.slowass.net/~phaedrus/perlpatterns/ >> >> Feedback, ideas, thoughts, examples of good and bad Perl applications >> most welcome. > >I'll give it a gander, and send you some feedback. > >-- >Mark Pease Mark.Pease@motorola.com >Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories perl@perl.sps.mot.com >2100 E. Elliot Rd. Phone: (480) 413-3919 Mail Stop: AZ34 EL741 >Tempe, AZ 85284 Pager: (800) 381-3304 Fax: (480) 413-7918 > Co-Author (with Carl Dichter) of "Software Engineering with Perl" > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From John.Bennett at schwab.com Mon Sep 9 12:33:07 2002 From: John.Bennett at schwab.com (Bennett, John) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Design Patterns Message-ID: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFD0D@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> I am keeping my tar ball of the perl4 scr code./././ JB -----Original Message----- From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:49 AM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl Design Patterns Perl 4 will be supported forever! At 10:02 AM 9/9/02 -0700, you wrote: >Scott Walters wrote: >> Also, I've been meaning to make it down to ASU and pull Mark and Carl's >> book. >> > >If you are making a special trip, I would say "don't bother" :-) The >book is written for Perl 4.036 (Ah... remember when...) and doesn't >cover design patterns (or, even algorithms,) but covers rapid >prototyping, metrics, source control, etc. > >Shoot, I still have a copy or two kicking around. Maybe I should raffle >them off (Proceeds to the Perl Foundation, of course!) > >> >> http://www.slowass.net/~phaedrus/perlpatterns/ >> >> Feedback, ideas, thoughts, examples of good and bad Perl applications >> most welcome. > >I'll give it a gander, and send you some feedback. > >-- >Mark Pease Mark.Pease@motorola.com >Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories perl@perl.sps.mot.com >2100 E. Elliot Rd. Phone: (480) 413-3919 Mail Stop: AZ34 EL741 >Tempe, AZ 85284 Pager: (800) 381-3304 Fax: (480) 413-7918 > Co-Author (with Carl Dichter) of "Software Engineering with Perl" > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Sep 9 12:37:48 2002 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Design Patterns References: <3D7CD42A.B063146A@motorola.com> Message-ID: <3D7CDC6C.6050205@bpxinternet.com> Mark Pease wrote: > Scott Walters wrote: > >>Also, I've been meaning to make it down to ASU and pull Mark and Carl's >>book. >> > > > If you are making a special trip, I would say "don't bother" :-) The > book is written for Perl 4.036 (Ah... remember when...) and doesn't > cover design patterns (or, even algorithms,) but covers rapid > prototyping, metrics, source control, etc. > > Shoot, I still have a copy or two kicking around. Maybe I should raffle > them off (Proceeds to the Perl Foundation, of course!) Mark! Good to hear from you. That would be great! Maybe you could even autograph them. :) We still have to do the raffle for the O'reilly books. If no one else is interested in getting in on it, we'll have it next meeting. > >>http://www.slowass.net/~phaedrus/perlpatterns/ >> >>Feedback, ideas, thoughts, examples of good and bad Perl applications >>most welcome. > > > I'll give it a gander, and send you some feedback. > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Sep 23 16:17:24 2002 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/26/2002 Message-ID: <3D8F84E4.1070904@bpxinternet.com> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web log reporting and detection. From intertwingled at qwest.net Mon Sep 23 17:07:24 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/26/2002 In-Reply-To: <3D8F84E4.1070904@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020923150724.0083b100@pop.phnx.qwest.net> At 02:17 PM 9/23/02 -0700, you wrote: >We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. >It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell >Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has >coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you >want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! > >John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web >log reporting and detection. > > > Are the slashdot geeks gonna be there? =) Tony -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From John.Bennett at schwab.com Mon Sep 23 17:22:40 2002 From: John.Bennett at schwab.com (Bennett, John) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/26/2002 Message-ID: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFDBF@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> That would be fun! -----Original Message----- From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:07 PM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/26/2002 At 02:17 PM 9/23/02 -0700, you wrote: >We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. >It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell >Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has >coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you >want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! > >John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web >log reporting and detection. > > > Are the slashdot geeks gonna be there? =) Tony -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Sep 24 12:12:58 2002 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/26/2002 References: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFDBF@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> Message-ID: <3D909D1A.3030404@bpxinternet.com> Bennett, John wrote: > That would be fun! I just checked, and it looks like they're going to Bandersnatch. > > -----Original Message----- > From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@qwest.net] > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:07 PM > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 09/26/2002 > > > At 02:17 PM 9/23/02 -0700, you wrote: > >>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. >>It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell >>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has >>coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you >>want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! >> >>John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web >>log reporting and detection. >> >> >> > > > Are the slashdot geeks gonna be there? =) > > Tony > > > -- > even the safest course is fraught with peril > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Sep 24 15:20:11 2002 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Web Services (WSDL/UDDI) Message-ID: <3D90C8FB.6060309@bpxinternet.com> Anyone out there done anything with Perl and WSDL/UDDI? If so do you have any resources other than the obvious (w3.org, soaplite.com)? If you need any information, I'll be happy to provide more details. Thanks! From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Sep 26 12:39:19 2002 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 Message-ID: <3D934647.9010003@bpxinternet.com> Please RSVP... We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web log reporting and detection. From intertwingled at qwest.net Thu Sep 26 14:20:28 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 In-Reply-To: <3D934647.9010003@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020926122028.007a77b0@pop.phnx.qwest.net> Can I bring my own food? At 10:39 AM 9/26/02 -0700, you wrote: >Please RSVP... > >We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. >It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell >Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has >coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you >want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! > >John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web >log reporting and detection. > > > > > -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From intertwingled at qwest.net Thu Sep 26 14:45:10 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: I may need a ride.... Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020926124510.007b3100@pop.phnx.qwest.net> My jeep is acting up. Again. Is anyone in the area of Rural and University who can give me a ride? If so, please respond to me off list and we can arrange a pickup point. Otherwise I will try to coax my hunk of Chrysler junk downtown. Thanks, Tony -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From Jeremy.Elston at schwab.com Thu Sep 26 14:49:21 2002 From: Jeremy.Elston at schwab.com (Elston, Jeremy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 Message-ID: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA8881C5F8B02@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> Since I appear to be part of the presenting crew, I guess I will attend. :-) -----Original Message----- From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:39 AM To: Phoenix.pm Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 Please RSVP... We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web log reporting and detection. From John.Bennett at schwab.com Thu Sep 26 15:00:34 2002 From: John.Bennett at schwab.com (Bennett, John) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 Message-ID: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFDEF@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> Da! -----Original Message----- From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:39 AM To: Phoenix.pm Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 Please RSVP... We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web log reporting and detection. From intertwingled at qwest.net Thu Sep 26 15:46:47 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 In-Reply-To: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFDEF@n2011pmx.nt.schwa b.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020926134647.007a57f0@pop.phnx.qwest.net> At 01:00 PM 9/26/02 -0700, you wrote: >Da! > > >-----Original Message----- >From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:39 AM >To: Phoenix.pm >Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 > > >Please RSVP... > >We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. >It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell >Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has >coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you >want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! > >John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web >log reporting and detection. > > > > Nyet? -- even the safest course is fraught with peril From intertwingled at qwest.net Thu Sep 26 20:10:15 2002 From: intertwingled at qwest.net (intertwingled) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:49 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020926181015.007b4650@pop.phnx.qwest.net> >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:46:47 -0700 >To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >From: intertwingled >Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 >In-Reply-To: <8D3F682B0610D411874A00508B6FA88814FCFDEF@n2011pmx.nt.schwab.com> > >At 01:00 PM 9/26/02 -0700, you wrote: >>Da! >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] >>Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:39 AM >>To: Phoenix.pm >>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 09/26/2002 >> >> >>Please RSVP... >> >>We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday September 26th at 7:00PM. >>It will be held at The Willow House, which is located at 149 W. McDowell >>Rd., which is just West of Bowne on McDowell. The Willow House has >>coffee,and sandwiches, so bring some money if you are hungry. If you >>want more information, visit http://www.willowhouse.com/. See you there! >> >>John Bennett, Matt Klunder, Elston, and Jeremy will be presenting on Web >>log reporting and detection. >> >> >> >> > >Nyet? > So, anyone in the east valley can give me a ride to and from the meeting? THanks in advance, Tony -- even the safest course is fraught with peril