From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Thu Jan  3 07:58:09 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: A Note from Damian
Message-ID: <3C346371.1000504@bpxinternet.com>

Damian:
 > > I've been busily updating the talk, making it even more terrifying than
 > > previous versions, and I'm very much looking forward to giving it.

Doug:
 > We're honored to be the first guinea pigs, I mean, group to hear your
 > new presentation. :)

Damian:
<grin>

You should tell your group I've been saving this version till I had an
audience hardy enough to survive it. I think a band of Arizonians might 
be one
of the few groups rugged enough to make it through alive!

;-)

Damian



From Mark.Pease at motorola.com  Thu Jan  3 09:25:22 2002
From: Mark.Pease at motorola.com (Mark Pease)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: A Note from Damian
References: <3C346371.1000504@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C3477E2.C446C94C@motorola.com>

Doug Miles wrote:
> 
> Damian:
>  > > I've been busily updating the talk, making it even more terrifying than
>  > > previous versions, and I'm very much looking forward to giving it.
> 
> Doug:
>  > We're honored to be the first guinea pigs, I mean, group to hear your
>  > new presentation. :)
> 
> Damian:
> <grin>
> 
> You should tell your group I've been saving this version till I had an
> audience hardy enough to survive it. I think a band of Arizonians might
> be one
> of the few groups rugged enough to make it through alive!
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Damian

I hope that is not a nice way of saying, "So dense that they won't
understand, but able to sit through it anyway." :-)

Damian's talks are mind numbing, stretching, and funny. I am looking
forward to it!

-- 
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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Fri Jan  4 11:10:20 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: [Fwd: Jobs?]
Message-ID: <3C35E1FC.9080109@bpxinternet.com>

This is probably a headhunter, but I though some of you might be 
interested...

This is Bill, Accounts Manager for Intellisoft Technologies Inc, We
have several Perl Openings in CGI and OOPerl accross USA,
If you are in need of a job please feel free to send me a copy of
your updated resume,
I can be reached at

     email at : Bill@intellisofttech.com
     Phone No 972-607-1727*104
     Toll Free 1-888-456-3363*104
      ICQ #: 142055437
     Fax No : 972 413 7086

Thank You,

Bill




From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  6 21:29:01 2002
From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020106202832.033fec70@mail.earthlink.net>

I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
can't come up with something.


From edelweiss at qwest.net  Sun Jan  6 22:25:03 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020106202832.033fec70@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3C39231F.512D82BA@qwest.net>

Doug and Julie Miles wrote:

> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we
> can't come up with something.

Errm, what?



From phaedrus at illogics.org  Sun Jan  6 22:36:31 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020106202832.033fec70@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201062034380.29208-100000@straylight>


Hi Doug.

The laptop screen of Damian's is big enough for us, and the propogation
delay from reading the text is short.

I hope Damian is still up to betaing his speech on us. I'm still up for
the trip. Dinner is still the best part, IMHO.

Devil is in the detail.

-scott

On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Doug and Julie Miles wrote:

> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
> can't come up with something.
> 
> 


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Mon Jan  7 10:15:52 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608C8@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

How many people do we need to accommodate for?

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update


I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
can't come up with something.

From phaedrus at illogics.org  Mon Jan  7 11:54:19 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
In-Reply-To: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608C8@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201070952560.29208-100000@straylight>


I'm in.

I think Heather plans to go.

I might drag one or two other people.

Could we reserve a room at a resturant for the whole thing, and
I can plan to bring a large orange extension cord?

I'm guessing there won't be more then a dozen or so faces...

-scott

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> How many people do we need to accommodate for?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> 
> 
> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
> can't come up with something.
> 


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Mon Jan  7 13:02:20 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608D6@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

Off subject, but is Heather's sister going as well??

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Walters [mailto:phaedrus@illogics.org]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:54 AM
To: 'phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update



I'm in.

I think Heather plans to go.

I might drag one or two other people.

Could we reserve a room at a resturant for the whole thing, and
I can plan to bring a large orange extension cord?

I'm guessing there won't be more then a dozen or so faces...

-scott

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> How many people do we need to accommodate for?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> 
> 
> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
> can't come up with something.
> 

From phaedrus at illogics.org  Mon Jan  7 13:16:22 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
In-Reply-To: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608D6@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201071114350.29208-100000@straylight>


Good to know that Perl Mongers don't lack hormone, only tact ;)
No, Marisa went back to college, whereever shes going, which I
can't remember.

-scott

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> Off subject, but is Heather's sister going as well??
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Walters [mailto:phaedrus@illogics.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:54 AM
> To: 'phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
> Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> 
> 
> 
> I'm in.
> 
> I think Heather plans to go.
> 
> I might drag one or two other people.
> 
> Could we reserve a room at a resturant for the whole thing, and
> I can plan to bring a large orange extension cord?
> 
> I'm guessing there won't be more then a dozen or so faces...
> 
> -scott
> 
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> 
> > How many people do we need to accommodate for?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> > Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> > 
> > 
> > I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
> > able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
> > guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
> > ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
> > can't come up with something.
> > 
> 


From macnaughtan at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  7 13:43:26 2002
From: macnaughtan at hotmail.com (Heather Macnaughtan)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <F130Fc3DyJEXVxFDA9d00015a4c@hotmail.com>

Unfortunately she had to go back to school.  I'm sure she'll be there in 
spirit, though. :-D

>
>Off subject, but is Heather's sister going as well??
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Walters [mailto:phaedrus@illogics.org]
>Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:54 AM
>To: 'phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
>Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
>
>
>
>I'm in.
>
>I think Heather plans to go.
>
>I might drag one or two other people.
>
>Could we reserve a room at a resturant for the whole thing, and
>I can plan to bring a large orange extension cord?
>
>I'm guessing there won't be more then a dozen or so faces...
>
>-scott
>
>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
>
> > How many people do we need to accommodate for?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> > Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> >
> >
> > I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be
> > able to get something there by making different contacts, but no
> > guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any
> > ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we
> > can't come up with something.
> >


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From tran_fors at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  7 19:57:04 2002
From: tran_fors at yahoo.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201062034380.29208-100000@straylight>
Message-ID: <20020108015704.89961.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Scott Walters <phaedrus@illogics.org> wrote:

> The laptop screen of Damian's is big enough for us,

Well, I can probably (99% certain; I'll ask tomorrow)
bring along a projector from work, if the
restaurant/whatever doesn't mind us "uncluttering" a
wall to use.

-Kurt

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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan  8 11:12:10 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608C8@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <3C3B286A.4050505@bpxinternet.com>

Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> How many people do we need to accommodate for?


I've been saying 20 just to be safe.  I think we have between 10 and 15 
right now.  I need to tally it up again.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> 
> 
> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
> can't come up with something.
> 
> 




From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan  8 11:13:57 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201070952560.29208-100000@straylight>
Message-ID: <3C3B28D5.3020303@bpxinternet.com>

Scott Walters wrote:

> I'm in.
> 
> I think Heather plans to go.
> 
> I might drag one or two other people.
> 
> Could we reserve a room at a resturant for the whole thing, and
> I can plan to bring a large orange extension cord?


That would be fine, if we can find a restaurant that will accomodate 
10-20 people for 4 hours.  Any ideas?


> I'm guessing there won't be more then a dozen or so faces...
> 
> -scott
> 
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> 
> 
>>How many people do we need to accommodate for?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
>>Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
>>To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
>>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
>>
>>
>>I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
>>able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
>>guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
>>ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
>>can't come up with something.
>>
>>
> 
> 




From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan  8 11:15:11 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <20020108015704.89961.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C3B291F.2070101@bpxinternet.com>

Tran Forsythe wrote:

> --- Scott Walters <phaedrus@illogics.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The laptop screen of Damian's is big enough for us,
>>
> 
> Well, I can probably (99% certain; I'll ask tomorrow)
> bring along a projector from work, if the
> restaurant/whatever doesn't mind us "uncluttering" a
> wall to use.


That's cool.  I can probably bring ours if that doesn't work out.


From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM  Tue Jan  8 11:20:18 2002
From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF2503B3F917@tef00021.vitalps.com>

What about a conference room at a hotel?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [SMTP:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:14 AM
> To:	phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject:	Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> 
> Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> > I'm in.
> > 
> > I think Heather plans to go.
> > 
> > I might drag one or two other people.
> > 
> > Could we reserve a room at a resturant for the whole thing, and
> > I can plan to bring a large orange extension cord?
> 
> 
> That would be fine, if we can find a restaurant that will accomodate 
> 10-20 people for 4 hours.  Any ideas?
> 
> 
> > I'm guessing there won't be more then a dozen or so faces...
> > 
> > -scott
> > 
> > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>How many people do we need to accommodate for?
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> >>Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> >>To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> >>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> >>
> >>
> >>I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
> >>able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
> >>guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
> >>ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we
> 
> >>can't come up with something.
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Tue Jan  8 11:56:12 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608E3@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

Should we consider renting a meeting room at one of the hotels??

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update


I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
can't come up with something.


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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan  8 12:13:32 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF2503B3F917@tef00021.vitalps.com>
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Bryan Lane wrote:

> What about a conference room at a hotel?


I am going to send an email to O'Reilly, and see if there is anything 
they can do to help us out with a conference room at the hotel where the 
Bioinformatics conference is.  The main issue is whether or not we can 
get it for free.  I also will be checking with another contact to see if 
we can still work something out with UofA.  But, by all means, don't let 
that stop any of you from pursuing or voicing any ideas you have.  My 
options are not guaranteed by any means.


> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [SMTP:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
>>Sent:	Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:14 AM
>>To:	phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
>>Subject:	Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
>>
>>Scott Walters wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm in.
>>>
>>>I think Heather plans to go.
>>>
>>>I might drag one or two other people.
>>>
>>>Could we reserve a room at a resturant for the whole thing, and
>>>I can plan to bring a large orange extension cord?
>>>
>>
>>That would be fine, if we can find a restaurant that will accomodate 
>>10-20 people for 4 hours.  Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm guessing there won't be more then a dozen or so faces...
>>>
>>>-scott
>>>
>>>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>How many people do we need to accommodate for?
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
>>>>To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
>>>>Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
>>>>able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
>>>>guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
>>>>ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we
>>>>
>>>>can't come up with something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 




From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan  8 12:21:38 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608E3@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <3C3B38B2.8010409@bpxinternet.com>

Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> Should we consider renting a meeting room at one of the hotels??


A fine idea, but who is going to pony up the cash? :)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> 
> 
> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
> can't come up with something.
> 
> 
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From sharding at ccbill.com  Tue Jan  8 18:20:21 2002
From: sharding at ccbill.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
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On Tuesday 08 January 2002 01:21 pm, you wrote:
> Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> > Should we consider renting a meeting room at one of the hotels??
>
> A fine idea, but who is going to pony up the cash? :)

How much is it out of curiousity?


Shay



From edelweiss at qwest.net  Tue Jan  8 23:11:10 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608E3@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C3B38B2.8010409@bpxinternet.com> <200201090220.g092KOX74392@ara.cwie.net>
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Shay Harding wrote:

Is this some kind of second meeting with Damien?

> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 01:21 pm, you wrote:
> > Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> > > Should we consider renting a meeting room at one of the hotels??
> >
> > A fine idea, but who is going to pony up the cash? :)
>
> How much is it out of curiousity?
>
> Shay


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Wed Jan  9 09:49:13 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608E6@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

The only place I priced rather quickly was the Tucson Convention Center for
$120, seats like 40 people in a classroom layout, too big for our needs, I
was going to look at some of the hotels next that usually have meeting rooms
for 20 or less people.  There is also the thought of checking with Dark
Mountain Brewery that rents out there facility for meetings and they provide
catering and good wine and beer.  I have the feeling that O'Reilly will
probably come through for us though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shay Harding [mailto:sharding@ccbill.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:20 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update


On Tuesday 08 January 2002 01:21 pm, you wrote:
> Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> > Should we consider renting a meeting room at one of the hotels??
>
> A fine idea, but who is going to pony up the cash? :)

How much is it out of curiousity?


Shay



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From edelweiss at qwest.net  Wed Jan  9 10:53:47 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
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whose code this is I think I know
he's gone to greener pa$ture$ though
he will not see me stopping here
to curse, in vain, his program's flow

my digestive tract must think it queer
to stop without a pizza near
it formulates a hearty belch
the darkest evening of the year

this code is ugly, dark and deep,
but I have promises to keep
and lines of code before I sleep
and lines of code before I sleep

Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> The only place I priced rather quickly was the Tucson Convention Center for
> $120, seats like 40 people in a classroom layout, too big for our needs, I
> was going to look at some of the hotels next that usually have meeting rooms
> for 20 or less people.  There is also the thought of checking with Dark
> Mountain Brewery that rents out there facility for meetings and they provide
> catering and good wine and beer.  I have the feeling that O'Reilly will
> probably come through for us though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shay Harding [mailto:sharding@ccbill.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:20 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
>
> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 01:21 pm, you wrote:
> > Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> > > Should we consider renting a meeting room at one of the hotels??
> >
> > A fine idea, but who is going to pony up the cash? :)
>
> How much is it out of curiousity?
>
> Shay
>
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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan  9 10:44:30 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
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Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> The only place I priced rather quickly was the Tucson Convention Center for
> $120, seats like 40 people in a classroom layout, too big for our needs, I
> was going to look at some of the hotels next that usually have meeting rooms
> for 20 or less people.  There is also the thought of checking with Dark
> Mountain Brewery that rents out there facility for meetings and they provide
> catering and good wine and beer.  I have the feeling that O'Reilly will
> probably come through for us though.


Thank you!  I was going to suggest that someone check.  I've just been 
too busy following up on the two free options I have right now.  I am in 
the process of getting another contact from UofA, and that looks 
somewhat promising.  I haven't heard from O'Reilly yet.  One thing to 
keep in mind here is that even if we get a free facility, we still have 
gas money and dinner to pay for.  I guess we'll just let the individual 
car pools (when they are formed) work out how they want to pay for gas. 
  Thanks again for saving me some legwork!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shay Harding [mailto:sharding@ccbill.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:20 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 01:21 pm, you wrote:
> 
>>Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
>>
>>>Should we consider renting a meeting room at one of the hotels??
>>>
>>A fine idea, but who is going to pony up the cash? :)
>>
> 
> How much is it out of curiousity?
> 
> 
> Shay
> 
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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan  9 10:53:56 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
Message-ID: <3C3C75A4.4080701@bpxinternet.com>

I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society 
(http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this 
year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if 
others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If 
you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and 
I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to 
keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make 
sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not 
terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an 
exception in this case.)


From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM  Wed Jan  9 11:33:13 2002
From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF2503B3F920@tef00021.vitalps.com>

I think that's a great idea.  How much were you thinking about donating?
How much do you think is a good amount to donate?  $10.00?  More?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [SMTP:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:54 AM
> To:	Phoenix.pm
> Subject:	Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
> 
> I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society 
> (http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this 
> year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if 
> others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If 
> you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and 
> I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to 
> keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make 
> sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not 
> terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an 
> exception in this case.)

From edelweiss at qwest.net  Wed Jan  9 11:59:24 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss@qwest.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
References: <3C3C75A4.4080701@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C3C84FC.1E2CEEF9@qwest.net>

God Only Knows
what I'd be
without old Beach Boys albums,
Kernighan, Ritchie,
and C

Doug Miles wrote:

> I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society
> (http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this
> year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if
> others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If
> you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and
> I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to
> keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make
> sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not
> terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an
> exception in this case.)


From lajandy at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  9 11:36:57 2002
From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
In-Reply-To: <3C3C75A4.4080701@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20020109173657.29985.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com>

I like this idea.  I was thinking of donating anyway, but I like the
group donation idea.  

--- Doug Miles <doug.miles@bpxinternet.com> wrote:
> I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society 
> (http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this 
> year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if
> 
> others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor. 
> If 
> you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me,
> and 
> I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in
> to 
> keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to
> make 
> sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not 
> terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an 
> exception in this case.)
> 


=====


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From sharding at ccbill.com  Wed Jan  9 10:25:18 2002
From: sharding at ccbill.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
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On Wednesday 09 January 2002 11:53 am, you wrote:
> I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society
> (http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this
> year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if
> others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If
> you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and
> I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to
> keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make
> sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not
> terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an
> exception in this case.)

I was thinking of donating to that cause as well so I'm in to do it under 
Phoenix.pm.


Shay


From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan  9 12:21:12 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF2503B3F920@tef00021.vitalps.com>
Message-ID: <3C3C8A18.8060804@bpxinternet.com>

Bryan Lane wrote:

> I think that's a great idea.  How much were you thinking about donating?
> How much do you think is a good amount to donate?  $10.00?  More?


Whatever you want.  I figure every little bit helps, and if we pool it 
together, it'll be better (or at least look better ;) ).


> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [SMTP:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
>>Sent:	Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:54 AM
>>To:	Phoenix.pm
>>Subject:	Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
>>
>>I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society 
>>(http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this 
>>year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if 
>>others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If 
>>you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and 
>>I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to 
>>keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make 
>>sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not 
>>terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an 
>>exception in this case.)
>>
> 




From edelweiss at qwest.net  Wed Jan  9 13:25:00 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss@qwest.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF2503B3F920@tef00021.vitalps.com> <3C3C8A18.8060804@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C3C990C.76694030@qwest.net>


o/~ terminals in the night, exchanging ascii
whoops, we dropped a byte, please hit the break key o/~

Doug Miles wrote:

> Bryan Lane wrote:
>
> > I think that's a great idea.  How much were you thinking about donating?
> > How much do you think is a good amount to donate?  $10.00?  More?
>
> Whatever you want.  I figure every little bit helps, and if we pool it
> together, it'll be better (or at least look better ;) ).
>
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [SMTP:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:54 AM
> >>To:   Phoenix.pm
> >>Subject:      Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
> >>
> >>I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society
> >>(http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this
> >>year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if
> >>others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If
> >>you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and
> >>I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to
> >>keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make
> >>sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not
> >>terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an
> >>exception in this case.)
> >>
> >


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Thu Jan 10 09:53:04 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608F8@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

How about a picnic????

Better yet, is there a Tuscon.pm that might be able to help us out?

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update


I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
can't come up with something.


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From edelweiss at qwest.net  Thu Jan 10 10:38:42 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss@qwest.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
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Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

Drive up to the top of Mount Lemmon !!!

> How about a picnic????
>
> Better yet, is there a Tuscon.pm that might be able to help us out?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
>
> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we
> can't come up with something.
>
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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Thu Jan 10 10:28:24 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608F8@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <3C3DC128.6050700@bpxinternet.com>

Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> How about a picnic????
> 
> Better yet, is there a Tuscon.pm that might be able to help us out?


No Tucson.pm as of the last time I checked...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> 
> 
> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be 
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no 
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any 
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we 
> can't come up with something.
> 
> 
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From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Thu Jan 10 10:56:23 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608FB@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

The view is great, the drive is long however.

-----Original Message-----
From: edelweiss@qwest.net [mailto:edelweiss@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:39 AM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update


Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

Drive up to the top of Mount Lemmon !!!

> How about a picnic????
>
> Better yet, is there a Tuscon.pm that might be able to help us out?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
>
> I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be
> able to get something there by making different contacts, but no
> guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any
> ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we
> can't come up with something.
>
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From edelweiss at qwest.net  Thu Jan 10 13:53:14 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss@qwest.net)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608F8@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C3DC128.6050700@bpxinternet.com>
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There might be a Bisbee.pm, or a Douglas.pm.  You never know.

=)

Doug Miles wrote:

> Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
>
> > How about a picnic????
> >
> > Better yet, is there a Tuscon.pm that might be able to help us out?
>
> No Tucson.pm as of the last time I checked...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:29 PM
> > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> > Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
> >
> >
> > I just found out that our U of A plans have fallen through.  I might be
> > able to get something there by making different contacts, but no
> > guarantees.  Time to brainstorm!  Please let me know if you have any
> > ideas.  Time is running short on this, and we'll have to forget it if we
> > can't come up with something.
> >
> >
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From sharding at ccbill.com  Thu Jan 10 14:43:27 2002
From: sharding at ccbill.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Conway Update
In-Reply-To: <3C3DF12A.ABED098B@qwest.net>
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E608F8@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C3DC128.6050700@bpxinternet.com> <3C3DF12A.ABED098B@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200201102243.g0AMhTX74913@ara.cwie.net>

On Thursday 10 January 2002 02:53 pm, you wrote:
> There might be a Bisbee.pm, or a Douglas.pm.  You never know.

I don't think they have computers there


Shay

From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Fri Jan 11 12:01:33 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
References: <3C3C75A4.4080701@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C3F287D.4040505@bpxinternet.com>

Doug Miles wrote:

> I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society 
> (http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this 
> year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if 
> others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If 
> you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and 
> I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to 
> keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make 
> sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not 
> terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an 
> exception in this case.)

It has come to my attention that some people may not want to disclose 
how much they are donating (which makes perfect sense).  I was wondering 
if anyone has another idea for keeping accountablility without 
disclosure to the list.  Unless you all trust me implicitly. Bwwahahaha! :)


From edelweiss at qwest.net  Fri Jan 11 13:38:12 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (EdelSys Consulting)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
In-Reply-To: <3C3F287D.4040505@bpxinternet.com>
References: <3C3C75A4.4080701@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020111123812.0079d100@pop.phnx.uswest.net>

At 11:01 AM 1/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Doug Miles wrote:
>
>> I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society 
>> (http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this 
>> year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if 
>> others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If 
>> you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and 
>> I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to 
>> keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make 
>> sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not 
>> terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an 
>> exception in this case.)
>
>It has come to my attention that some people may not want to disclose 
>how much they are donating (which makes perfect sense).  I was wondering 
>if anyone has another idea for keeping accountablility without 
>disclosure to the list.  Unless you all trust me implicitly. Bwwahahaha! :)
>
>
>

I have a Commodore 64 computer I could donate.  =)


From phaedrus at illogics.org  Fri Jan 11 13:00:40 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
In-Reply-To: <3C3F287D.4040505@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201111056540.7276-100000@straylight>


Anyone care to nominate me (or anyone else) for the position of..

"Perl Mongers Phoenix Treasurer"

?

Seriously, if two (preferably trustworthy) people had the
information, they could police each other. Of course,
for very large amounts of money, the money should be sent
to YAS directly, and the cancelled check obtained.

I myself nominate Kurt, as he sometimes makes it to the
meetings, and he has little need to embezzel charity funds,
having an acceptably well paying job ;)

-scott

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Doug Miles wrote:

> Doug Miles wrote:
> 
> > I am planning on making a small donation to Yet Another Society 
> > (http://donate.yetanother.org/) for Damian and Dan Sugalski for this 
> > year.  I just thought it might be cool to pool some money together if 
> > others are interested.  We could then put Phoenix.pm as the donor.  If 
> > you are interested, speak up.  I was thinking about just paying me, and 
> > I'll make the donation.  Everyone can post what they are putting in to 
> > keep me honest. :)  I'm open to other ideas, also.  I just want to make 
> > sure that there is no opportunity for scandal. ;) (I'm usually not 
> > terribly comfortable with doing stuff like this, but I'll make an 
> > exception in this case.)
> 
> It has come to my attention that some people may not want to disclose 
> how much they are donating (which makes perfect sense).  I was wondering 
> if anyone has another idea for keeping accountablility without 
> disclosure to the list.  Unless you all trust me implicitly. Bwwahahaha! :)
> 
> 


From tran_fors at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 16:54:47 2002
From: tran_fors at yahoo.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201111056540.7276-100000@straylight>
Message-ID: <20020111225447.55985.qmail@web14104.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Scott Walters <phaedrus@illogics.org> wrote:
> 
> Anyone care to nominate me (or anyone else) for the
> position of..
> 
> "Perl Mongers Phoenix Treasurer"
> 
> ?
> 
> Seriously, if two (preferably trustworthy) people
> had the
> information, they could police each other. Of
> course,
> for very large amounts of money, the money should be
> sent
> to YAS directly, and the cancelled check obtained.
> 
> I myself nominate Kurt, as he sometimes makes it to
> the
> meetings, and he has little need to embezzel charity
> funds,
> having an acceptably well paying job ;)

*laugh* Well, I thank you for the nomination ;)  I do
trust Doug w/ my donation though, so for this one-time
thing I think a treasurer's a bit much.  If we start
doing things that require managing money though, sure,
I'm game. ;)  (Hmm.. an AGP GeForce 3 costs how much
again?...)

-Kurt

ps: Like anyone in our group is stupid enough to
embezzle from a group of geeks; that unlucky soul
might find his monitor & keyboard in his bed (bad
Godfather reference - horse's head, computer head..
what?  Why're you all looking at me like that? 
Umm.... I'll go sit in the corner then, shall I?)

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From phaedrus at illogics.org  Fri Jan 11 17:49:10 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
In-Reply-To: <20020111225447.55985.qmail@web14104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201111548570.7276-100000@straylight>


.... my computer is already in my bed.....

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tran Forsythe wrote:

> 
> --- Scott Walters <phaedrus@illogics.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone care to nominate me (or anyone else) for the
> > position of..
> > 
> > "Perl Mongers Phoenix Treasurer"
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Seriously, if two (preferably trustworthy) people
> > had the
> > information, they could police each other. Of
> > course,
> > for very large amounts of money, the money should be
> > sent
> > to YAS directly, and the cancelled check obtained.
> > 
> > I myself nominate Kurt, as he sometimes makes it to
> > the
> > meetings, and he has little need to embezzel charity
> > funds,
> > having an acceptably well paying job ;)
> 
> *laugh* Well, I thank you for the nomination ;)  I do
> trust Doug w/ my donation though, so for this one-time
> thing I think a treasurer's a bit much.  If we start
> doing things that require managing money though, sure,
> I'm game. ;)  (Hmm.. an AGP GeForce 3 costs how much
> again?...)
> 
> -Kurt
> 
> ps: Like anyone in our group is stupid enough to
> embezzle from a group of geeks; that unlucky soul
> might find his monitor & keyboard in his bed (bad
> Godfather reference - horse's head, computer head..
> what?  Why're you all looking at me like that? 
> Umm.... I'll go sit in the corner then, shall I?)
> 
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From phaedrus at illogics.org  Fri Jan 11 18:15:02 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201111548570.7276-100000@straylight>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201111611130.7276-100000@straylight>


Doug doesn't want to be in a position where everyone has to assume
he is doing a sensative job correctly. This is understandable.
Since we will all know the total, would it be acceptable to all
concerned parties to anonymously record the donation amounts,
and verify that that total matches the number on the check that
Doug hands to Damian?

If anyone answers "yes" after a moment's thought, I'll put
a quick CGI up on HTTP daemon that doesn't log connections and
post the URL, for people to anonymously record their contributions
with. Of course, if anyone tries to play a prank and lie about
their contribution, it will pay havok. Are me mature enough....?

-scott


On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Scott Walters wrote:

> 
> .... my computer is already in my bed.....
> 
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tran Forsythe wrote:
> 
> > 
> > --- Scott Walters <phaedrus@illogics.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Anyone care to nominate me (or anyone else) for the
> > > position of..
> > > 
> > > "Perl Mongers Phoenix Treasurer"
> > > 
> > > ?
> > > 
> > > Seriously, if two (preferably trustworthy) people
> > > had the
> > > information, they could police each other. Of
> > > course,
> > > for very large amounts of money, the money should be
> > > sent
> > > to YAS directly, and the cancelled check obtained.
> > > 
> > > I myself nominate Kurt, as he sometimes makes it to
> > > the
> > > meetings, and he has little need to embezzel charity
> > > funds,
> > > having an acceptably well paying job ;)
> > 
> > *laugh* Well, I thank you for the nomination ;)  I do
> > trust Doug w/ my donation though, so for this one-time
> > thing I think a treasurer's a bit much.  If we start
> > doing things that require managing money though, sure,
> > I'm game. ;)  (Hmm.. an AGP GeForce 3 costs how much
> > again?...)
> > 
> > -Kurt
> > 
> > ps: Like anyone in our group is stupid enough to
> > embezzle from a group of geeks; that unlucky soul
> > might find his monitor & keyboard in his bed (bad
> > Godfather reference - horse's head, computer head..
> > what?  Why're you all looking at me like that? 
> > Umm.... I'll go sit in the corner then, shall I?)
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
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> > 
> 
> 


From edelweiss at qwest.net  Fri Jan 11 21:06:51 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund
References: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201111611130.7276-100000@straylight>
Message-ID: <3C3FA84B.D557D121@qwest.net>

Scott Walters wrote:

a penny for your thoughts =)

> Doug doesn't want to be in a position where everyone has to assume
> he is doing a sensative job correctly. This is understandable.
> Since we will all know the total, would it be acceptable to all
> concerned parties to anonymously record the donation amounts,
> and verify that that total matches the number on the check that
> Doug hands to Damian?
>
> If anyone answers "yes" after a moment's thought, I'll put
> a quick CGI up on HTTP daemon that doesn't log connections and
> post the URL, for people to anonymously record their contributions
> with. Of course, if anyone tries to play a prank and lie about
> their contribution, it will pay havok. Are me mature enough....?
>
> -scott
>
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Scott Walters wrote:
>
> >
> > .... my computer is already in my bed.....
> >
> > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tran Forsythe wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > --- Scott Walters <phaedrus@illogics.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anyone care to nominate me (or anyone else) for the
> > > > position of..
> > > >
> > > > "Perl Mongers Phoenix Treasurer"
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, if two (preferably trustworthy) people
> > > > had the
> > > > information, they could police each other. Of
> > > > course,
> > > > for very large amounts of money, the money should be
> > > > sent
> > > > to YAS directly, and the cancelled check obtained.
> > > >
> > > > I myself nominate Kurt, as he sometimes makes it to
> > > > the
> > > > meetings, and he has little need to embezzel charity
> > > > funds,
> > > > having an acceptably well paying job ;)
> > >
> > > *laugh* Well, I thank you for the nomination ;)  I do
> > > trust Doug w/ my donation though, so for this one-time
> > > thing I think a treasurer's a bit much.  If we start
> > > doing things that require managing money though, sure,
> > > I'm game. ;)  (Hmm.. an AGP GeForce 3 costs how much
> > > again?...)
> > >
> > > -Kurt
> > >
> > > ps: Like anyone in our group is stupid enough to
> > > embezzle from a group of geeks; that unlucky soul
> > > might find his monitor & keyboard in his bed (bad
> > > Godfather reference - horse's head, computer head..
> > > what?  Why're you all looking at me like that?
> > > Umm.... I'll go sit in the corner then, shall I?)
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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> >
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From lajandy at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 15 01:03:36 2002
From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: ...and All Good Things...
In-Reply-To: <3C3FA84B.D557D121@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <20020115070336.63078.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>

It appears I have suddenly joined the ranks of the unemployed.  So,
anyone with job leads, be sure to push them this way too, in addition
to all the other places you may be pushing them...



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From phaedrus at illogics.org  Tue Jan 15 09:17:48 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: (leads and comments) Phoenix.pm: ...and All Good Things...
In-Reply-To: <20020115070336.63078.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201150702190.7276-100000@straylight>


Congrats, Andrew.

Feel free to send me your resume, when I see things that are up your
alley, my "Andrew" neuron will be more likely to fire.

As Perl programmers, we're in a good position to attack Unix sysadmin
jobs. Java jobs do exist still, and for some reason there are a lot of
SAP and SAS jobs. 

I don't want to diss Perl on the Perl list, and even when I'm not beinig
paid, I still sit around and write Perl, but my primary focus has been
to pick up new skills. I'm working on my Java certification, and eyeing
SAS as the next skill in the pipeline. Heather does a lot of her work
in SAS (statistics/dataset minipulation programming language). If anyone 
else is similiarly interested in diversifying, perhaps she can be 
persuaded to give an introductory talk =)

Quick tally of jobs listed on computerjobs.com a couple months back:
Top jobs:
1. Project Management
2. Database Systems
3. ERP (??)
4. Unix Development
5. Windows Development
6. E-Commerce
7. Networking

Industries reported *not* to be slumped are:
Auctions, Womens Interest, Gaming, Open Source, Entertainment,
Peer to Peer, Weblogs, and Sex.

Some leads:

Pete Klochancy
Atlantis Partners
2390 E Camelback suite 327
Phoenix AZ 8516
Java servlets programming/medical setting

Chance Cheatham, Recruiter, Genesys
chance@gtslink.com

Vanguard Group, Scottsdale Arizona - Financial Industry

empoloyment@ccbill.com - perl, mysql, ecomm, you will be asked to
sign a statement that you have no intellectual property, etc

chanlynum@aol.com - threads, http, sockets, java, C++

staffing@metriscompanies.com - head hunter

Discover/Morgan Stanley Dead Witter
Human Resources
Attn: Admin
2500 Lake Cook Rd
Riverwood IL 60015
Discover has local offices here, but process resumes through IL.
It takes a few follow up calls to get their attention.

Embedded web programming - name of company unknown - fax
resume to 480 736 9211, job #pi04242001. Looks like a head
hunter.

Linux Samba Apache SSH Perl Image Prcoessing C: drankin@uswest.net

Mayo Clinic Scottsdale, www.mayo.edu/mcs

All of these people were hiring at some point in the past month,
if they aren't now. Weither the positions are still open, I don't
know. Many of them I've applied to and never heard back, though I
was assured they received my resume.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Andrew Johnson wrote:

> It appears I have suddenly joined the ranks of the unemployed.  So,
> anyone with job leads, be sure to push them this way too, in addition
> to all the other places you may be pushing them...
> 
> 
> 


From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan 15 10:34:10 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: ...and All Good Things...
References: <20020115070336.63078.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C445A02.4030106@bpxinternet.com>

Andrew Johnson wrote:

> It appears I have suddenly joined the ranks of the unemployed.  So,
> anyone with job leads, be sure to push them this way too, in addition
> to all the other places you may be pushing them...
> 


Man! I'm sorry to hear that.  Was it layoffs, or did the company go under?


From lajandy at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 15 11:45:51 2002
From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: ...and All Good Things...
In-Reply-To: <3C445A02.4030106@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20020115174551.15818.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Doug Miles <doug.miles@bpxinternet.com> wrote:
> Andrew Johnson wrote:
> 
> > It appears I have suddenly joined the ranks of the unemployed.  So,
> > anyone with job leads, be sure to push them this way too, in
> addition
> > to all the other places you may be pushing them...
> > 
> 
> 
> Man! I'm sorry to hear that.  Was it layoffs, or did the company go
> under?
> 

This weekend, the investors decided to try sell the company.  In order
to package it for sale, they laid off half the staff.  



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From eden.li at asu.edu  Wed Jan 16 00:32:21 2002
From: eden.li at asu.edu (Eden Li)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
Message-ID: <000b01c19e57$8feaaef0$3914a8c0@wulong>

So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
many emails :(

eden


From edelweiss at qwest.net  Wed Jan 16 04:49:10 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <000b01c19e57$8feaaef0$3914a8c0@wulong>
Message-ID: <3C455AA6.544B1AD@qwest.net>

Eden Li wrote:

> So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> many emails :(
>
> eden

That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
down to Tucson to see Damien?

Tony



From phaedrus at illogics.org  Wed Jan 16 05:28:50 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
In-Reply-To: <3C455AA6.544B1AD@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201160322100.7276-100000@straylight>


Tony,

I've only bits and clues.

Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
AFAIK. 

Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
do this. I would if I could...

None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.

Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
projector from work.

There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 

Happy insomnia,
-scott



On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:

> Eden Li wrote:
> 
> > So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> > many emails :(
> >
> > eden
> 
> That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
> when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
> down to Tucson to see Damien?
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Wed Jan 16 09:39:42 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60920@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

I've been to Tucson several times and have co-workers that are former
residents that could be called to help for a location, I've been holding my
breath that O'Reilly or U of A will come through with a freebie room that we
can use.  What do we have, a little over a week left??  I suppose I could
start making some phone calls and ask some questions to get discussion going
again.

-Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Walters [mailto:phaedrus@illogics.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:29 AM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian status



Tony,

I've only bits and clues.

Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
AFAIK. 

Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
do this. I would if I could...

None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.

Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
projector from work.

There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 

Happy insomnia,
-scott



On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:

> Eden Li wrote:
> 
> > So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> > many emails :(
> >
> > eden
> 
> That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
> when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
> down to Tucson to see Damien?
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 


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From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Wed Jan 16 09:58:17 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60921@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

Okay,
First call was to Marriott University Park Hotel, has a meeting room that
would comfortably sit 12-20 people in classroom/presentation format for $150
(5pm - 9pm on the 27th).  Diner would start at $23.95/person (Ouch).  The
$150 is what I was expecting for any meeting room in Tucson, but I can do
some more digging if you want.  I say we do diner separately at a restaurant
after the presentation if we want to go down this route.

Also, is the convention at the BioSphere 2 (Oracle)??  If so, we might want
to check to see if BioSphere has a room available that night.  Oracle is a
fair drive from Tucson.

$0.02

Craig

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From: Scott Walters [mailto:phaedrus@illogics.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:29 AM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian status



Tony,

I've only bits and clues.

Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
AFAIK. 

Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
do this. I would if I could...

None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.

Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
projector from work.

There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 

Happy insomnia,
-scott



On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:

> Eden Li wrote:
> 
> > So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> > many emails :(
> >
> > eden
> 
> That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
> when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
> down to Tucson to see Damien?
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 


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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 16 14:43:42 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <000b01c19e57$8feaaef0$3914a8c0@wulong>
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Eden Li wrote:

> So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> many emails :(
> 


Here's the scoop from O'Reilly:


 > Dear Doug,        (cc:  Denise)
 >
 > The Goldwater Boardroom (the O'Reilly VIP Meeting Room) has a
 > permanently fixed marble table in the center of the room that is
 > surrounded by 10 executive style chairs.
 >
 > Damian has already contacted me and reserved the VIP Meeting Room from
 > 4pm to 7pm on Sunday, January 27th for the Phoenix Perl Mongers.  Let
 > me know if I can assist with anything else.
 >
 > Kind Regards,
 > Gretchen Bartholomew

So we're set.  I'm going to start working on the restaurant again.  I'll 
let you know about that as soon as I find something out.  We can start 
discussing transportation issues now.  Once we get everything figured 
out, I'll post with all of the details in one place to minimize 
confusion.  Below is the list of people going.  I may have missed some. 
  If you are going and you aren't on the list, or if you are on the list 
and you aren't going, let me know.

Erik Tank
Mark Pease
Craig Frooninckx
Doug Miles
Kurt
Bryan Lane
Thomas Whitney
Eden Li
Andrew Johnson
Scott Walters


From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 16 14:50:53 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:35 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <000b01c19e57$8feaaef0$3914a8c0@wulong> <3C455AA6.544B1AD@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <3C45E7AD.907@bpxinternet.com>

edelweiss wrote:

> Eden Li wrote:
> 
> 
>>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
>>many emails :(
>>
>>eden
>>
> 
> That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
> when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
> down to Tucson to see Damien?
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 
> 

Sorry to exasperate you.  I've noticed you've been posting a lot, but 
didn't see you ask what the status is.  The details are in another 
email, but we have the O'Reilly VIP Meeting Room is the Goldwater Room 
at The Westin La Paloma Resort & Spa from 4:00pm to 7:00pm Sunday 
January 27th.




From edelweiss at qwest.net  Wed Jan 16 15:40:24 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <000b01c19e57$8feaaef0$3914a8c0@wulong> <3C45E5FE.8090406@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C45F348.3CC9B518@qwest.net>

So, didn't you guys visit Damian down in Tucson one time already?
Or am I getting confused by all the emails?  I thought I read one email
where he mentioned phoenix.pm in his diary.

Tony

Doug Miles wrote:

> Eden Li wrote:
>
> > So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> > many emails :(
> >
>
> Here's the scoop from O'Reilly:
>
>  > Dear Doug,        (cc:  Denise)
>  >
>  > The Goldwater Boardroom (the O'Reilly VIP Meeting Room) has a
>  > permanently fixed marble table in the center of the room that is
>  > surrounded by 10 executive style chairs.
>  >
>  > Damian has already contacted me and reserved the VIP Meeting Room from
>  > 4pm to 7pm on Sunday, January 27th for the Phoenix Perl Mongers.  Let
>  > me know if I can assist with anything else.
>  >
>  > Kind Regards,
>  > Gretchen Bartholomew
>
> So we're set.  I'm going to start working on the restaurant again.  I'll
> let you know about that as soon as I find something out.  We can start
> discussing transportation issues now.  Once we get everything figured
> out, I'll post with all of the details in one place to minimize
> confusion.  Below is the list of people going.  I may have missed some.
>   If you are going and you aren't on the list, or if you are on the list
> and you aren't going, let me know.
>
> Erik Tank
> Mark Pease
> Craig Frooninckx
> Doug Miles
> Kurt
> Bryan Lane
> Thomas Whitney
> Eden Li
> Andrew Johnson
> Scott Walters


From edelweiss at qwest.net  Wed Jan 16 15:42:11 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <000b01c19e57$8feaaef0$3914a8c0@wulong> <3C455AA6.544B1AD@qwest.net> <3C45E7AD.907@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C45F3B3.2843A8D@qwest.net>

OH, heh, for some weird reason I thought you guys had already visited
Tucson, and that you were planning a second trip.  Weird.  =)
OK, I will stop posting now.   =D

Tony

Doug Miles wrote:

> edelweiss wrote:
>
> > Eden Li wrote:
> >
> >
> >>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> >>many emails :(
> >>
> >>eden
> >>
> >
> > That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
> > when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
> > down to Tucson to see Damien?
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Sorry to exasperate you.  I've noticed you've been posting a lot, but
> didn't see you ask what the status is.  The details are in another
> email, but we have the O'Reilly VIP Meeting Room is the Goldwater Room
> at The Westin La Paloma Resort & Spa from 4:00pm to 7:00pm Sunday
> January 27th.


From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 16 15:22:06 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201160322100.7276-100000@straylight>
Message-ID: <3C45EEFE.3070500@bpxinternet.com>

Scott Walters wrote:

> Tony,
> 
> I've only bits and clues.
> 
> Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
> AFAIK. 


If there are no objections, just get the money to me by Jan 25 (check or 
cash).  If you aren't comfortable with that, you can contribute on your 
own. :)


> Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
> been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
> do this. I would if I could...


Solved.


> None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
> resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
> extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.


Still need a restaurant.  I've seen a couple of suggestions, but don't 
have any way to judge.  I'm planning on calling the hotel for a suggestion.


> Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
> projector from work.


Still might need to do this, I don't know yet.


> There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
> for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 


Happily we'll have both.  Be sure to let me know whether or not you are 
staying for dinner, so I can get a head count for reservations.

Nicely summarized!

 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:
> 
> 
>>Eden Li wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
>>>many emails :(
>>>
>>>eden
>>>
>>That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
>>when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
>>down to Tucson to see Damien?
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 




From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 16 15:23:09 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60921@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <3C45EF3D.6050903@bpxinternet.com>

Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> Okay,
> First call was to Marriott University Park Hotel, has a meeting room that
> would comfortably sit 12-20 people in classroom/presentation format for $150
> (5pm - 9pm on the 27th).  Diner would start at $23.95/person (Ouch).  The
> $150 is what I was expecting for any meeting room in Tucson, but I can do
> some more digging if you want.  I say we do diner separately at a restaurant
> after the presentation if we want to go down this route.
> 
> Also, is the convention at the BioSphere 2 (Oracle)??  If so, we might want
> to check to see if BioSphere has a room available that night.  Oracle is a
> fair drive from Tucson.
> 
> $0.02
> 
> Craig


Thanks for checking into this Craig!  I looks like we won't need it.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Walters [mailto:phaedrus@illogics.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:29 AM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
> 
> 
> 
> Tony,
> 
> I've only bits and clues.
> 
> Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
> AFAIK. 
> 
> Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
> been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
> do this. I would if I could...
> 
> None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
> resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
> extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.
> 
> Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
> projector from work.
> 
> There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
> for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 
> 
> Happy insomnia,
> -scott
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:
> 
> 
>>Eden Li wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
>>>many emails :(
>>>
>>>eden
>>>
>>That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
>>when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
>>down to Tucson to see Damien?
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 16 15:52:45 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <000b01c19e57$8feaaef0$3914a8c0@wulong> <3C455AA6.544B1AD@qwest.net> <3C45E7AD.907@bpxinternet.com> <3C45F3B3.2843A8D@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <3C45F62D.9000200@bpxinternet.com>

edelweiss wrote:

> OH, heh, for some weird reason I thought you guys had already visited
> Tucson, and that you were planning a second trip.  Weird.  =)
> OK, I will stop posting now.   =D


Nope, the diary entry was just for publicity.


> Tony
> 
> Doug Miles wrote:
> 
> 
>>edelweiss wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Eden Li wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
>>>>many emails :(
>>>>
>>>>eden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
>>>when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
>>>down to Tucson to see Damien?
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Sorry to exasperate you.  I've noticed you've been posting a lot, but
>>didn't see you ask what the status is.  The details are in another
>>email, but we have the O'Reilly VIP Meeting Room is the Goldwater Room
>>at The Westin La Paloma Resort & Spa from 4:00pm to 7:00pm Sunday
>>January 27th.
>>
> 
> 




From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Wed Jan 16 16:06:55 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E6092A@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

Do we have a meeting coming up before the 25th?

-----Original Message-----
From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian status


Scott Walters wrote:

> Tony,
> 
> I've only bits and clues.
> 
> Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
> AFAIK. 


If there are no objections, just get the money to me by Jan 25 (check or 
cash).  If you aren't comfortable with that, you can contribute on your 
own. :)


> Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
> been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
> do this. I would if I could...


Solved.


> None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
> resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
> extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.


Still need a restaurant.  I've seen a couple of suggestions, but don't 
have any way to judge.  I'm planning on calling the hotel for a suggestion.


> Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
> projector from work.


Still might need to do this, I don't know yet.


> There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
> for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 


Happily we'll have both.  Be sure to let me know whether or not you are 
staying for dinner, so I can get a head count for reservations.

Nicely summarized!

 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:
> 
> 
>>Eden Li wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
>>>many emails :(
>>>
>>>eden
>>>
>>That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
>>when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
>>down to Tucson to see Damien?
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 




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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 16 16:25:16 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E6092A@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <3C45FDCC.4090907@bpxinternet.com>

Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> Do we have a meeting coming up before the 25th?
>


Sorry, no. :)  Putting this thing in Tucson together is turning into a 
full time job, so I haven't even been able to think about another 
meeting.  We'll get back on track next month.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
> 
> 
> Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> 
>>Tony,
>>
>>I've only bits and clues.
>>
>>Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
>>AFAIK. 
>>
> 
> 
> If there are no objections, just get the money to me by Jan 25 (check or 
> cash).  If you aren't comfortable with that, you can contribute on your 
> own. :)
> 
> 
> 
>>Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
>>been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
>>do this. I would if I could...
>>
> 
> 
> Solved.
> 
> 
> 
>>None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
>>resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
>>extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.
>>
> 
> 
> Still need a restaurant.  I've seen a couple of suggestions, but don't 
> have any way to judge.  I'm planning on calling the hotel for a suggestion.
> 
> 
> 
>>Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
>>projector from work.
>>
> 
> 
> Still might need to do this, I don't know yet.
> 
> 
> 
>>There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
>>for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 
>>
> 
> 
> Happily we'll have both.  Be sure to let me know whether or not you are 
> staying for dinner, so I can get a head count for reservations.
> 
> Nicely summarized!
> 
>  
> 
>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Eden Li wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
>>>>many emails :(
>>>>
>>>>eden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
>>>when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
>>>down to Tucson to see Damien?
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From phaedrus at illogics.org  Wed Jan 16 16:42:01 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
In-Reply-To: <3C45FDCC.4090907@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201161441200.7276-100000@straylight>


Awesome. Good work, Doug.
Thanks to everyone else working on this (Craig).
Sorry to be a backseat driver, I'm just really excited =)

-scott

On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Doug Miles wrote:

> Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> 
> > Do we have a meeting coming up before the 25th?
> >
> 
> 
> Sorry, no. :)  Putting this thing in Tucson together is turning into a 
> full time job, so I haven't even been able to think about another 
> meeting.  We'll get back on track next month.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM
> > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
> > 
> > 
> > Scott Walters wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Tony,
> >>
> >>I've only bits and clues.
> >>
> >>Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
> >>AFAIK. 
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > If there are no objections, just get the money to me by Jan 25 (check or 
> > cash).  If you aren't comfortable with that, you can contribute on your 
> > own. :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
> >>been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
> >>do this. I would if I could...
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Solved.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
> >>resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
> >>extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Still need a restaurant.  I've seen a couple of suggestions, but don't 
> > have any way to judge.  I'm planning on calling the hotel for a suggestion.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
> >>projector from work.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Still might need to do this, I don't know yet.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
> >>for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Happily we'll have both.  Be sure to let me know whether or not you are 
> > staying for dinner, so I can get a head count for reservations.
> > 
> > Nicely summarized!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >>On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Eden Li wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> >>>>many emails :(
> >>>>
> >>>>eden
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
> >>>when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
> >>>down to Tucson to see Damien?
> >>>
> >>>Tony
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM  Wed Jan 16 17:04:23 2002
From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF2503B3F937@tef00021.vitalps.com>

Yes!  Great job to everyone who put this together!  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Scott Walters [SMTP:phaedrus@illogics.org]
> Sent:	Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:42 PM
> To:	phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject:	Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
> 
> 
> Awesome. Good work, Doug.
> Thanks to everyone else working on this (Craig).
> Sorry to be a backseat driver, I'm just really excited =)
> 
> -scott
> 
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Doug Miles wrote:
> 
> > Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> > 
> > > Do we have a meeting coming up before the 25th?
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry, no. :)  Putting this thing in Tucson together is turning into a 
> > full time job, so I haven't even been able to think about another 
> > meeting.  We'll get back on track next month.
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM
> > > To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> > > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Damian status
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Scott Walters wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>Tony,
> > >>
> > >>I've only bits and clues.
> > >>
> > >>Doug is still trying to solve how to securely store and forward funds,
> > >>AFAIK. 
> > >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If there are no objections, just get the money to me by Jan 25 (check
> or 
> > > cash).  If you aren't comfortable with that, you can contribute on
> your 
> > > own. :)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>Realisticly, we don't have a conference room, though renting one has
> > >>been suggested. This could be solved now if someone were motivated to
> > >>do this. I would if I could...
> > >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Solved.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>None of us know Tuscon well enough to make reservations at a suitable
> > >>resturant. If we had reservations, a seperate room, and a large orange
> > >>extention cord, we'd be in bussiness.
> > >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still need a restaurant.  I've seen a couple of suggestions, but don't
> 
> > > have any way to judge.  I'm planning on calling the hotel for a
> suggestion.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>Kurt and Doug have both commented that they could check out a data
> > >>projector from work.
> > >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still might need to do this, I don't know yet.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>There has been no concensus taken on weither it's worth the trip
> > >>for mearly dinner with Damian, and no presentation. 
> > >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Happily we'll have both.  Be sure to let me know whether or not you
> are 
> > > staying for dinner, so I can get a head count for reservations.
> > > 
> > > Nicely summarized!
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >>On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, edelweiss wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Eden Li wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>So what exactly is the status with Damian?  (I deleted too
> > >>>>many emails :(
> > >>>>
> > >>>>eden
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>That's what I'VE been trying to find out.  I got a bit exasperated
> > >>>when no one answered.  Didn't the phoenix.pm group already drive
> > >>>down to Tucson to see Damien?
> > >>>
> > >>>Tony
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Thu Jan 17 15:54:51 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the fact
that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel great
frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex set of
object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another debugger
exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I don't have
to learn new commands in a jam?

-Craig


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From Mark.Pease at motorola.com  Thu Jan 17 16:06:14 2002
From: Mark.Pease at motorola.com (Mark Pease)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com>

Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> 
> I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the fact
> that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel great
> frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex set of
> object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another debugger
> exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I don't have
> to learn new commands in a jam?
> 

I use three different "GUI" debuggers. The first is the Perl TK
Debugger. You need to have Tk installed, but I use this the most. It's
free and available on CPAN.

The 2ed is Komodo from ActiveState. I use this in the Perl class I teach
at Chandler-Gilbert CC. It's slooowww and cost real money unless you are
not using it to do for profit development.

The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
paper at OSCON this year on this system.

I hope that this is of some help!
-- 
Mark Pease                                     Mark.Pease@motorola.com
Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories             perl@perl.sps.mot.com
2200 W. Broadway Rd.   Phone:(480)655-6950        Mail Stop: AZ09 M350
Mesa, AZ 85202         Pager:(800)381-3304           FAX:(480)655-6192
   Co-Author (with Carl Dichter) of "Software Engineering with Perl"

From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Thu Jan 17 16:27:18 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com>
Message-ID: <3C474FC6.5080707@bpxinternet.com>

Mark Pease wrote:

> Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> 
>>I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the fact
>>that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel great
>>frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex set of
>>object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another debugger
>>exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I don't have
>>to learn new commands in a jam?
>>
>>
> 
> I use three different "GUI" debuggers. The first is the Perl TK
> Debugger. You need to have Tk installed, but I use this the most. It's
> free and available on CPAN.


BTW, the name is Devel::ptkdb.  I'll second this.  ptkdb rocks!


> The 2ed is Komodo from ActiveState. I use this in the Perl class I teach
> at Chandler-Gilbert CC. It's slooowww and cost real money unless you are
> not using it to do for profit development.
> 
> The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
> editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
> paper at OSCON this year on this system.


And maybe your favorite Perl Mongers group after? :)


> I hope that this is of some help!
> 




From Mark.Pease at motorola.com  Thu Jan 17 16:50:21 2002
From: Mark.Pease at motorola.com (Mark Pease)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com> <3C474FC6.5080707@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C47552D.CFA9C82C@motorola.com>

Doug Miles wrote:
> 
> Mark Pease wrote:
> >
> > The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
> > editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
> > paper at OSCON this year on this system.
> 
> And maybe your favorite Perl Mongers group after? :)

I don't know. It might be a little hard for my to get to New York after
the conference.

Oh. Wait. You mean Phoenix.pm? I could do that, if we could meet on a
tuesday.

I hope to present three papers, two of which I could repeat.

-- 
Mark Pease                                     Mark.Pease@motorola.com
Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories             perl@perl.sps.mot.com
2200 W. Broadway Rd.   Phone:(480)655-6950        Mail Stop: AZ09 M350
Mesa, AZ 85202         Pager:(800)381-3304           FAX:(480)655-6192
   Co-Author (with Carl Dichter) of "Software Engineering with Perl"

From edelweiss at qwest.net  Thu Jan 17 17:53:06 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com> <3C474FC6.5080707@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C4763E2.DA7B56A9@qwest.net>

Have you tried good old IEBEYBALL ?  =)

Tony

Doug Miles wrote:

> Mark Pease wrote:
>
> > Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> >
> >>I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the fact
> >>that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel great
> >>frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex set of
> >>object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another debugger
> >>exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I don't have
> >>to learn new commands in a jam?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I use three different "GUI" debuggers. The first is the Perl TK
> > Debugger. You need to have Tk installed, but I use this the most. It's
> > free and available on CPAN.
>
> BTW, the name is Devel::ptkdb.  I'll second this.  ptkdb rocks!
>
> > The 2ed is Komodo from ActiveState. I use this in the Perl class I teach
> > at Chandler-Gilbert CC. It's slooowww and cost real money unless you are
> > not using it to do for profit development.
> >
> > The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
> > editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
> > paper at OSCON this year on this system.
>
> And maybe your favorite Perl Mongers group after? :)
>
> > I hope that this is of some help!
> >


From Eden.Li at asu.edu  Thu Jan 17 17:38:34 2002
From: Eden.Li at asu.edu (Eden.Li@asu.edu)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
In-Reply-To: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <1011310714.3c47607a78bba@webmail.asu.edu>

IIRC, there's something called tkdb or something to that
nature especially for perl.  You could probably dig around
CPAN or perl.com or tpj.com.  I saw it in a perl journal
article.

eden

Quoting Frooninckx Craig - cfroon <Craig.Frooninckx@acxiom.com>:
> I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the
> fact
> that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel great
> frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex set
> of
> object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another
> debugger
> exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I don't
> have
> to learn new commands in a jam?
> 
> -Craig
> 
> 
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From whitneyt at agcs.com  Thu Jan 17 17:55:44 2002
From: whitneyt at agcs.com (Thomas Whitney)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com> <3C474FC6.5080707@bpxinternet.com> <3C4763E2.DA7B56A9@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <3C476480.6499077B@agcs.com>

I prefer the good old print STDERR "I am in method x $var\n" :-)

Tom

edelweiss wrote:

> Have you tried good old IEBEYBALL ?  =)
>
> Tony
>
> Doug Miles wrote:
>
> > Mark Pease wrote:
> >
> > > Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> > >
> > >>I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the fact
> > >>that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel great
> > >>frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex set of
> > >>object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another debugger
> > >>exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I don't have
> > >>to learn new commands in a jam?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I use three different "GUI" debuggers. The first is the Perl TK
> > > Debugger. You need to have Tk installed, but I use this the most. It's
> > > free and available on CPAN.
> >
> > BTW, the name is Devel::ptkdb.  I'll second this.  ptkdb rocks!
> >
> > > The 2ed is Komodo from ActiveState. I use this in the Perl class I teach
> > > at Chandler-Gilbert CC. It's slooowww and cost real money unless you are
> > > not using it to do for profit development.
> > >
> > > The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
> > > editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
> > > paper at OSCON this year on this system.
> >
> > And maybe your favorite Perl Mongers group after? :)
> >
> > > I hope that this is of some help!
> > >


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Thu Jan 17 16:34:40 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60937@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

Mark,
Any chance of getting you to talk about it at a pm meeting in the future??
I've recently discovered gvim and would like to start using it, and if you
have an a system that incorporates with gvim, the more the reason to use it.

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pease [mailto:Mark.Pease@motorola.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:06 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger


Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> 
> I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the
fact
> that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel great
> frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex set of
> object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another debugger
> exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I don't
have
> to learn new commands in a jam?
> 

I use three different "GUI" debuggers. The first is the Perl TK
Debugger. You need to have Tk installed, but I use this the most. It's
free and available on CPAN.

The 2ed is Komodo from ActiveState. I use this in the Perl class I teach
at Chandler-Gilbert CC. It's slooowww and cost real money unless you are
not using it to do for profit development.

The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
paper at OSCON this year on this system.

I hope that this is of some help!
-- 
Mark Pease                                     Mark.Pease@motorola.com
Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories             perl@perl.sps.mot.com
2200 W. Broadway Rd.   Phone:(480)655-6950        Mail Stop: AZ09 M350
Mesa, AZ 85202         Pager:(800)381-3304           FAX:(480)655-6192
   Co-Author (with Carl Dichter) of "Software Engineering with Perl"


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From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Thu Jan 17 17:08:35 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E6093C@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

Yea,  I just downloaded and installed ptkdb and tk to go with, and found the
first bug in a couple of minutes, very nice!!!  Thanks Mark and Doug!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:27 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger


Mark Pease wrote:

> Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> 
>>I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the
fact
>>that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel great
>>frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex set of
>>object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another debugger
>>exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I don't
have
>>to learn new commands in a jam?
>>
>>
> 
> I use three different "GUI" debuggers. The first is the Perl TK
> Debugger. You need to have Tk installed, but I use this the most. It's
> free and available on CPAN.


BTW, the name is Devel::ptkdb.  I'll second this.  ptkdb rocks!


> The 2ed is Komodo from ActiveState. I use this in the Perl class I teach
> at Chandler-Gilbert CC. It's slooowww and cost real money unless you are
> not using it to do for profit development.
> 
> The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
> editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
> paper at OSCON this year on this system.


And maybe your favorite Perl Mongers group after? :)


> I hope that this is of some help!
> 




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From tran_fors at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 17 18:42:38 2002
From: tran_fors at yahoo.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c19fb9$08609cc0$0401a8c0@dario>


From: "Mark Pease" <Mark.Pease@motorola.com>
> The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR.

*wince* This isn't any reference to User Friendly, is it?  I can do without
the paperclip, thankyouverymuch, if so ;)

-Kurt


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From sharding at ccbill.com  Thu Jan 17 19:22:37 2002
From: sharding at ccbill.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
In-Reply-To: <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com>
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com>
Message-ID: <200201180322.g0I3MY601017@ara.cwie.net>

On Thursday 17 January 2002 05:06 pm, you wrote:
> Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
> > I've coded myself into a corner and now have to give into accepting the
> > fact that I need a debugger to work myself out of the corner.  I feel
> > great frustration with the perl debugger, getting around a very complex
> > set of object oriented packages, is there another option??  Does another
> > debugger exist that (forgive me for even thinking this...) has a GUI so I
> > don't have to learn new commands in a jam?
>
> I use three different "GUI" debuggers. The first is the Perl TK
> Debugger. You need to have Tk installed, but I use this the most. It's
> free and available on CPAN.
>
> The 2ed is Komodo from ActiveState. I use this in the Perl class I teach
> at Chandler-Gilbert CC. It's slooowww and cost real money unless you are
> not using it to do for profit development.
>
> The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
> editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
> paper at OSCON this year on this system.
>
> I hope that this is of some help!

Ooo, can I have the vim one? :) I use VIM exclusively for all my coding... 
Perl, C, C++, whatever. I just make maps to run perl and gcc so I never have 
to leave the editor.

Any of these debuggers work with Perl XS code? Maybe help track down memory 
leaks and such? I just finished an alpha version of Crypt::OpenSSL::BIO but I 
think there's a few things not quite right. Anyone have any experience with 
XS that can provide some insight to a problem I'm having? Heck anyone have 
some experience with openssl since some of their functions don't seem to work 
(did find two bugs in their header files so maybe it isn't me? :))


Shay

From Mark.Pease at motorola.com  Fri Jan 18 00:20:14 2002
From: Mark.Pease at motorola.com (Mark Pease)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
In-Reply-To: <200201180322.g0I3MY601017@ara.cwie.net>
Message-ID: <B86D0CAE.AE8%Mark.Pease@motorola.com>

On 1/17/02 6:22 PM, "Shay Harding" <sharding@ccbill.com> wrote:

> 
> Ooo, can I have the vim one? :) I use VIM exclusively for all my coding...
> Perl, C, C++, whatever. I just make maps to run perl and gcc so I never have
> to leave the editor.
> 

It looks like opened my big oscular orifice too soon! OK, here is what I'll
do, I'll quickly finish up the current functionality and then alpha release
to Phoenix.pm. I should have something that I would like you to see in about
three weeks (with everything else going on!)

How's that?

Mark.


From swessels at usgn.net  Fri Jan 18 01:19:34 2002
From: swessels at usgn.net (Scott Wessels)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <B86D0CAE.AE8%Mark.Pease@motorola.com>
Message-ID: <002501c19ff0$7b37b3a0$e8590344@ph.cox.net>




> On 1/17/02 6:22 PM, "Shay Harding" <sharding@ccbill.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Ooo, can I have the vim one? :) I use VIM exclusively for all my
coding...
> > Perl, C, C++, whatever. I just make maps to run perl and gcc so I never
have
> > to leave the editor.
> >
>
> It looks like opened my big oscular orifice too soon! OK, here is what
I'll
> do, I'll quickly finish up the current functionality and then alpha
release
> to Phoenix.pm. I should have something that I would like you to see in
about
> three weeks (with everything else going on!)
>
> How's that?
>
> Mark.
>
>

I for one can hardly wait.  VIM is already an excellent editor (even the
win32 port), any extensions to it would be fantastic.


From edelweiss at qwest.net  Fri Jan 18 02:31:07 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <B86D0CAE.AE8%Mark.Pease@motorola.com> <002501c19ff0$7b37b3a0$e8590344@ph.cox.net>
Message-ID: <3C47DD4B.ECFA1BD2@qwest.net>

Is this Scott Wessels of the nuclear wessels?? =)

Scott Wessels wrote:

> > On 1/17/02 6:22 PM, "Shay Harding" <sharding@ccbill.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ooo, can I have the vim one? :) I use VIM exclusively for all my
> coding...
> > > Perl, C, C++, whatever. I just make maps to run perl and gcc so I never
> have
> > > to leave the editor.
> > >
> >
> > It looks like opened my big oscular orifice too soon! OK, here is what
> I'll
> > do, I'll quickly finish up the current functionality and then alpha
> release
> > to Phoenix.pm. I should have something that I would like you to see in
> about
> > three weeks (with everything else going on!)
> >
> > How's that?
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> >
>
> I for one can hardly wait.  VIM is already an excellent editor (even the
> win32 port), any extensions to it would be fantastic.


From kellewic at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 18 02:27:54 2002
From: kellewic at yahoo.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <B86D0CAE.AE8%Mark.Pease@motorola.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c19ffa$0715e3c0$0201a8c0@poria1.az.home.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Pease" <Mark.Pease@motorola.com>
To: <phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger


> On 1/17/02 6:22 PM, "Shay Harding" <sharding@ccbill.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Ooo, can I have the vim one? :) I use VIM exclusively for all my
coding...
> > Perl, C, C++, whatever. I just make maps to run perl and gcc so I never
have
> > to leave the editor.
> >
>
> It looks like opened my big oscular orifice too soon! OK, here is what
I'll
> do, I'll quickly finish up the current functionality and then alpha
release
> to Phoenix.pm. I should have something that I would like you to see in
about
> three weeks (with everything else going on!)
>
> How's that?
>
> Mark.

Heck yeah, I'll alpha test it for ya.


Shay





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From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Fri Jan 18 09:47:29 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E6093E@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

I'm game...

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pease [mailto:Mark.Pease@motorola.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 11:20 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger


On 1/17/02 6:22 PM, "Shay Harding" <sharding@ccbill.com> wrote:

> 
> Ooo, can I have the vim one? :) I use VIM exclusively for all my coding...
> Perl, C, C++, whatever. I just make maps to run perl and gcc so I never
have
> to leave the editor.
> 

It looks like opened my big oscular orifice too soon! OK, here is what I'll
do, I'll quickly finish up the current functionality and then alpha release
to Phoenix.pm. I should have something that I would like you to see in about
three weeks (with everything else going on!)

How's that?

Mark.


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From swessels at usgn.net  Fri Jan 18 11:34:36 2002
From: swessels at usgn.net (Scott Wessels)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <B86D0CAE.AE8%Mark.Pease@motorola.com> <002501c19ff0$7b37b3a0$e8590344@ph.cox.net> <3C47DD4B.ECFA1BD2@qwest.net>
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> Is this Scott Wessels of the nuclear wessels?? =)
>
> Scott Wessels wrote:
>
> > > On 1/17/02 6:22 PM, "Shay Harding" <sharding@ccbill.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ooo, can I have the vim one? :) I use VIM exclusively for all my
> > coding...
> > > > Perl, C, C++, whatever. I just make maps to run perl and gcc so I
never
> > have
> > > > to leave the editor.
> > > >
> > >
> > > It looks like opened my big oscular orifice too soon! OK, here is what
> > I'll
> > > do, I'll quickly finish up the current functionality and then alpha
> > release
> > > to Phoenix.pm. I should have something that I would like you to see in
> > about
> > > three weeks (with everything else going on!)
> > >
> > > How's that?
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I for one can hardly wait.  VIM is already an excellent editor (even the
> > win32 port), any extensions to it would be fantastic.
>
>

well I'm not glowing, in so far as I know! :)

...but, uh, no. I can't think of any nuclear affiliation that I might have.
Although, I did work work with Shay a while back.


From swessels at usgn.net  Fri Jan 18 12:18:56 2002
From: swessels at usgn.net (Scott Wessels)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <B86D0CAE.AE8%Mark.Pease@motorola.com> <002501c19ff0$7b37b3a0$e8590344@ph.cox.net> <3C47DD4B.ECFA1BD2@qwest.net> <004901c1a046$6690b900$e8590344@ph.cox.net>
Message-ID: <010b01c1a04c$97c037c0$e8590344@ph.cox.net>

>
>
> > Is this Scott Wessels of the nuclear wessels?? =)
> >
> > Scott Wessels wrote:
> >
> > > > On 1/17/02 6:22 PM, "Shay Harding" <sharding@ccbill.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ooo, can I have the vim one? :) I use VIM exclusively for all my
> > > coding...
> > > > > Perl, C, C++, whatever. I just make maps to run perl and gcc so I
> never
> > > have
> > > > > to leave the editor.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > It looks like opened my big oscular orifice too soon! OK, here is
what
> > > I'll
> > > > do, I'll quickly finish up the current functionality and then alpha
> > > release
> > > > to Phoenix.pm. I should have something that I would like you to see
in
> > > about
> > > > three weeks (with everything else going on!)
> > > >
> > > > How's that?
> > > >
> > > > Mark.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I for one can hardly wait.  VIM is already an excellent editor (even
the
> > > win32 port), any extensions to it would be fantastic.
> >
> >
>
> well I'm not glowing, in so far as I know! :)
>
> ...but, uh, no. I can't think of any nuclear affiliation that I might
have.
> Although, I did work work with Shay a while back.
>
>

hmm, found the reference (Chekov)... don't I feel stoopeed


From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Fri Jan 18 12:41:29 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Debugger
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60932@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net> <3C474AD6.A750B4F7@motorola.com> <3C474FC6.5080707@bpxinternet.com> <3C47552D.CFA9C82C@motorola.com>
Message-ID: <3C486C59.7080008@bpxinternet.com>

Mark Pease wrote:

> Doug Miles wrote:
> 
>>Mark Pease wrote:
>>
>>>The last is a system I developed that I call VIGOR. It uses the VIM
>>>editor (thus you can develop with VIM and VIGOR :-) I hope to present a
>>>paper at OSCON this year on this system.
>>>
>>And maybe your favorite Perl Mongers group after? :)
>>
> 
> I don't know. It might be a little hard for my to get to New York after
> the conference.


I asked for that. :)


> Oh. Wait. You mean Phoenix.pm? I could do that, if we could meet on a
> tuesday.


Sure.  Just let me know when.


> I hope to present three papers, two of which I could repeat.
> 
> 




From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Fri Jan 18 12:58:17 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund Update
Message-ID: <3C487049.2000801@bpxinternet.com>

After thinking about my idea of us donating as a group, I started 
thinking about the tax implications.  To make a long story short, I 
called my tax person.  She said that the deductions won't work for you 
guys because you can't prove what I did with the money.  Oh well. 
Foiled again.  :)  So anyway, if you are interested, please donate 
individually.  Here is the information:

http://www.perl-foundation.org/index.cgi?page=pr#pr-drive


From edelweiss at qwest.net  Fri Jan 18 14:00:59 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Save the Damian Fund Update
References: <3C487049.2000801@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C487EFB.FD326FEC@qwest.net>

Right now I am taking donations for the Save the Anthony fund,
so Damian will have to wait.  =/

Doug Miles wrote:

> After thinking about my idea of us donating as a group, I started
> thinking about the tax implications.  To make a long story short, I
> called my tax person.  She said that the deductions won't work for you
> guys because you can't prove what I did with the money.  Oh well.
> Foiled again.  :)  So anyway, if you are interested, please donate
> individually.  Here is the information:
>
> http://www.perl-foundation.org/index.cgi?page=pr#pr-drive


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Tue Jan 22 12:13:37 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Damian Pilgrimage
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E6096C@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

It's getting close to the time for our trip to Tucson.  My plans are to head
down early to make a stop in wine country before the meeting and head back
right after diner.  Did we decide on a gift or a restaurant??

-Craig


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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan 22 13:55:56 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
Message-ID: <3C4DC3CC.9010403@bpxinternet.com>

Who:
Damian Conway and Phoenix.pm

What:
Extreme Perl and Dinner

Where:
The Goldwater Boardroom VIP Meeting Room (ask at front desk) at:

The Westin La Paloma Resort and Spa
3800 E. Sunrise Drive
Tucson, Arizona 85718
Phone: (520)742-6000

Directions from I10:
Take I-10 East towards Tucson. Take exit number 248 and merge onto W. 
Ina Road. W. Ina Road becomes E. Skyline Road. Continue straight and 
turn onto E. Sunrise Road.

http://maps.yahoo.com/py/pmap.py?Pyt=Typ&addr=3800+E.+Sunrise+Drive&city=Tucson&state=AZ&slt=32.308700&sln=-110.905500&mlt=32.308600&mln=-110.935900&zip=85718-3302&country=us&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=7&cs=9&name=&desc=&off=w

El Charro Cafe
6310 E Broadway Blvd
Tucson, AZ 85710
(520) 745-1922

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=prt&1g=LBB%2fGUegVgfaluvYg%2b1StQ%3d%3d&1y=US&r=f&2a=6310%20E%20Broadway%20Blvd&2s=AZ&2c=Tucson&1l=nlc0hvb3ZP4%3d&2g=b%2fBZHzh5Qr%2bRBWX3Tx8GMw%3d%3d&did=1011661961&1a=3800%20E%20Sunrise%20Dr&un=m&2y=US&1s=AZ&1c=Tucson&2l=%2fnxTjMW7QrM%3d&go=1&ct=NA

When:
Sunday, January 27th 2002 from 4:00pm to 7:00pm
Reservations are at 7:30pm

Why:
If you have to ask, I can't help you... :)

Carpools will be self organizing.  I you need a ride, ask.  If you can 
take people, let us know.  I have an Arizona T-shirt as a gift to 
Damian.  Kurt is bringing a projector.  I am bringing a backup 
projector, hardcopies of Damian's presentation, and the T-shirt.  If 
people in the different carpool groups have cell phones, I can 
distribute a list so we can keep in touch if need be.

Here is the final list.  If there are changes, I need to know ASAP, as 
I've already made reservations.  Please let me know if you are NOT going 
to dinner.  At this point I'm assuming (uh-oh) that all ARE going.

Damian Conway
Doug Miles
Erik Tank
Mark Pease
Craig Frooninckx
Kurt
Bryan Lane
Thomas Whitney
Eden Li
Andrew Johnson
Scott Walters
Marc Chung



From macnaughtan at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 22 14:29:37 2002
From: macnaughtan at hotmail.com (Heather Macnaughtan)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
Message-ID: <F143N33HFnwpGR881Np00000ca4@hotmail.com>

I'm really sorry I have to miss this, but I'll be in DC.  Please give Damian 
a BIG hug and kiss for me. :-)  Have fun & take photos for the web page!
-Heather


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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan 22 14:48:49 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
References: <F143N33HFnwpGR881Np00000ca4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C4DD031.7080401@bpxinternet.com>

Heather Macnaughtan wrote:

> I'm really sorry I have to miss this, but I'll be in DC.  Please give 
> Damian a BIG hug and kiss for me. :-)  Have fun & take photos for the 
> web page!
> -Heather

Speaking of pictures, does anyone have a digital camera?  Sorry, I'm too 
poor to have one of those. :)


From Mark.Pease at motorola.com  Tue Jan 22 15:00:38 2002
From: Mark.Pease at motorola.com (Mark Pease)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
References: <F143N33HFnwpGR881Np00000ca4@hotmail.com> <3C4DD031.7080401@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C4DD2F6.13AD43FE@motorola.com>

Doug Miles wrote:
> 
> Heather Macnaughtan wrote:
> 
> > I'm really sorry I have to miss this, but I'll be in DC.  Please give
> > Damian a BIG hug and kiss for me. :-)  Have fun & take photos for the
> > web page!
> > -Heather
> 
> Speaking of pictures, does anyone have a digital camera?  Sorry, I'm too
> poor to have one of those. :)

I can bring one. Should I bring the Digital Camcorder? :-)
-- 
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Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories             perl@perl.sps.mot.com
2200 W. Broadway Rd.   Phone:(480)655-6950        Mail Stop: AZ09 M350
Mesa, AZ 85202         Pager:(800)381-3304           FAX:(480)655-6192
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From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Tue Jan 22 15:33:22 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E60972@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

I've got a digital camera that I can bring if you want to bring the Dig
Camcorder...

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pease [mailto:Mark.Pease@motorola.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:01 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage


Doug Miles wrote:
> 
> Heather Macnaughtan wrote:
> 
> > I'm really sorry I have to miss this, but I'll be in DC.  Please give
> > Damian a BIG hug and kiss for me. :-)  Have fun & take photos for the
> > web page!
> > -Heather
> 
> Speaking of pictures, does anyone have a digital camera?  Sorry, I'm too
> poor to have one of those. :)

I can bring one. Should I bring the Digital Camcorder? :-)
-- 
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Motorola DigitalDNA(tm) Laboratories             perl@perl.sps.mot.com
2200 W. Broadway Rd.   Phone:(480)655-6950        Mail Stop: AZ09 M350
Mesa, AZ 85202         Pager:(800)381-3304           FAX:(480)655-6192
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From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Tue Jan 22 15:34:02 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
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Heather, 
Should we set up a net meeting for you???
-Craig

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:30 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage


I'm really sorry I have to miss this, but I'll be in DC.  Please give Damian

a BIG hug and kiss for me. :-)  Have fun & take photos for the web page!
-Heather


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From macnaughtan at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 22 15:56:31 2002
From: macnaughtan at hotmail.com (Heather Macnaughtan)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
Message-ID: <F90oXmpUFT2k9SeADXX00026342@hotmail.com>

Virtual Damian!  I like it.  :-)  I won't be available on Sunday (travel) 
but I'd love to see the lecture after the fact.  I wonder if we'd be allowed 
to put it on the web site?  If not, I'll settle for the photos.


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From whitneyt at agcs.com  Tue Jan 22 19:25:14 2002
From: whitneyt at agcs.com (Thomas Whitney)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
References: <3C4DC3CC.9010403@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C4E10FA.87A6DD96@agcs.com>

Is it too late to add another. I have a friend who had some change of plans and she would love to go.

Tom

Doug Miles wrote:

> Who:
> Damian Conway and Phoenix.pm
>
> What:
> Extreme Perl and Dinner
>
> Where:
> The Goldwater Boardroom VIP Meeting Room (ask at front desk) at:
>
> The Westin La Paloma Resort and Spa
> 3800 E. Sunrise Drive
> Tucson, Arizona 85718
> Phone: (520)742-6000
>
> Directions from I10:
> Take I-10 East towards Tucson. Take exit number 248 and merge onto W.
> Ina Road. W. Ina Road becomes E. Skyline Road. Continue straight and
> turn onto E. Sunrise Road.
>
> http://maps.yahoo.com/py/pmap.py?Pyt=Typ&addr=3800+E.+Sunrise+Drive&city=Tucson&state=AZ&slt=32.308700&sln=-110.905500&mlt=32.308600&mln=-110.935900&zip=85718-3302&country=us&B
> El Charro Cafe
> 6310 E Broadway Blvd
> Tucson, AZ 85710
> (520) 745-1922
>
> http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=prt&1g=LBB%2fGUegVgfaluvYg%2b1StQ%3d%3d&1y=US&r=f&2a=6310%20E%20Broadway%20Blvd&2s=AZ&2c=Tucson&1l=nlc0hvb3ZP4%3d&2g=b%2fBZHzh5Qr%2bRBWX3Tx8GMw%3d%3d&did=1011661961&1a=3800%20E%20Sunr
> When:
> Sunday, January 27th 2002 from 4:00pm to 7:00pm
> Reservations are at 7:30pm
>
> Why:
> If you have to ask, I can't help you... :)
>
> Carpools will be self organizing.  I you need a ride, ask.  If you can
> take people, let us know.  I have an Arizona T-shirt as a gift to
> Damian.  Kurt is bringing a projector.  I am bringing a backup
> projector, hardcopies of Damian's presentation, and the T-shirt.  If
> people in the different carpool groups have cell phones, I can
> distribute a list so we can keep in touch if need be.
>
> Here is the final list.  If there are changes, I need to know ASAP, as
> I've already made reservations.  Please let me know if you are NOT going
> to dinner.  At this point I'm assuming (uh-oh) that all ARE going.
>
> Damian Conway
> Doug Miles
> Erik Tank
> Mark Pease
> Craig Frooninckx
> Kurt
> Bryan Lane
> Thomas Whitney
> Eden Li
> Andrew Johnson
> Scott Walters
> Marc Chung


From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 23 11:14:15 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
References: <3C4DC3CC.9010403@bpxinternet.com> <3C4E10FA.87A6DD96@agcs.com>
Message-ID: <3C4EEF67.8080106@bpxinternet.com>

Thomas Whitney wrote:

> Is it too late to add another. I have a friend who had some change of plans and she would love to go.


No, just add her name to the list.  I'll wait a couple of days to see if 
there are any other changes, and call to change the reservations.


>>Damian Conway
>>Doug Miles
>>Erik Tank
>>Mark Pease
>>Craig Frooninckx
>>Kurt
>>Bryan Lane
>>Thomas Whitney
>>Eden Li
>>Andrew Johnson
>>Scott Walters
>>Marc Chung
>>
> 
> 




From whitneyt at agcs.com  Wed Jan 23 11:50:23 2002
From: whitneyt at agcs.com (Thomas Whitney)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
References: <3C4DC3CC.9010403@bpxinternet.com> <3C4E10FA.87A6DD96@agcs.com> <3C4EEF67.8080106@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3C4EF7DF.FABB8FE7@agcs.com>


Doug Miles wrote:

> Thomas Whitney wrote:
>
> > Is it too late to add another. I have a friend who had some change of plans and she would love to go.
>
> No, just add her name to the list.  I'll wait a couple of days to see if
> there are any other changes, and call to change the reservations.
>
> >>Damian Conway
> >>Doug Miles
> >>Erik Tank
> >>Mark Pease
> >>Craig Frooninckx
> >>Kurt
> >>Bryan Lane
> >>Thomas Whitney
> >>Eden Li
> >>Andrew Johnson
> >>Scott Walters
> >>Marc Chung
> >>Happy Kush
> >
> >


From lajandy at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 24 02:22:05 2002
From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
In-Reply-To: <3C4EEF67.8080106@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20020124082205.72343.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>


Hey, who's driving?  I kinda need a ride, since I don't have a clue as
to where we're going...



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From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Thu Jan 24 10:22:51 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E6098F@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

Andrew,
I'm going down early to do some wine country before hand, if you don't mind
the excursion, your welcome to ride with me.

-Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Johnson [mailto:lajandy@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:22 AM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage



Hey, who's driving?  I kinda need a ride, since I don't have a clue as
to where we're going...



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From tran_fors at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 24 10:56:00 2002
From: tran_fors at yahoo.com (Tran Forsythe)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
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--- Andrew Johnson <lajandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey, who's driving?  I kinda need a ride, since I
> don't have a clue as
> to where we're going...

I am; I'll likely be starting off in the Metro (mall)
area.  Where-all are the rest of the potential
car-poolers taking off from?

Btw, all, from experience driving to Tucson (I drove
down every weekend for about a year to game), a couple
tips... and forgive me if you've all driven there
before:
1) It's better to have someone else in the car; the
drive back at night is long, boring, and thus can be
dangerous if you don't have someone to chat with.
2) Watch out for the speed trap; just as you enter
Tucson, the speed limit drops to 65 then 55 within a
3-4 mile stretch.  It's very easy to miss at least one
of the signs.


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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Fri Jan 25 15:11:16 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
References: <20020124082205.72343.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C51C9F4.1050508@bpxinternet.com>

Andrew Johnson wrote:

> Hey, who's driving?  I kinda need a ride, since I don't have a clue as
> to where we're going...
> 

I hope by now that everyone has transportation.  Speak now if you don't. 
  Also, if you have Damian's book you might want to bring it to see if 
you can get it signed.


From phaedrus at illogics.org  Fri Jan 25 20:04:50 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
In-Reply-To: <3C51C9F4.1050508@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201251802540.7276-100000@straylight>


Andrew - what part of town do you live in?

I'm considering driving (if I can get passengers) and I'm
also considering taking a ride offered to me. I want to make
sure that everyone whos going gets there... or something like that.
People may reply to me directly.

-scott

On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Doug Miles wrote:

> Andrew Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Hey, who's driving?  I kinda need a ride, since I don't have a clue as
> > to where we're going...
> > 
> 
> I hope by now that everyone has transportation.  Speak now if you don't. 
>   Also, if you have Damian's book you might want to bring it to see if 
> you can get it signed.
> 
> 


From phaedrus at illogics.org  Tue Jan 29 01:27:49 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
In-Reply-To: <3C51C9F4.1050508@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201282325130.7276-100000@straylight>


https://donate.perl-foundation.org/index.pl?node=Contribution+Info

...for anyone thinking of contributing to the Enslave Damian fund.
Was good to see everyone in Tucson, and man-alive, that must have
been everyone... never seen so many Perl Mongers in once place...

Someone needs to go on record with this: the service at that
resturant was dreadful. 

Have fun sleeping, folks, I've got bugs to fix... bwahahhaaha!

-scott


From edelweiss at qwest.net  Tue Jan 29 02:27:46 2002
From: edelweiss at qwest.net (edelweiss)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Final Plans for Damian Pilgrimage
References: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201282325130.7276-100000@straylight>
Message-ID: <3C565D02.D2E751F8@qwest.net>

Scott Walters wrote:

> https://donate.perl-foundation.org/index.pl?node=Contribution+Info
>
> ...for anyone thinking of contributing to the Enslave Damian fund.
> Was good to see everyone in Tucson, and man-alive, that must have
> been everyone... never seen so many Perl Mongers in once place...
>
> Someone needs to go on record with this: the service at that
> resturant was dreadful.
>
> Have fun sleeping, folks, I've got bugs to fix... bwahahhaaha!
>
> -scott

bah, humbug.

=P


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Tue Jan 29 15:27:56 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Pictures from Damian Pilgrimage
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E609E5@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

Tilda-Tilda??


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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Tue Jan 29 16:03:08 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Pictures from Damian Pilgrimage
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Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> Tilda-Tilda??
> 

Are you saying that we have to be in scalar context to get the pictures? ;)


From Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com  Tue Jan 29 16:45:41 2002
From: Craig.Frooninckx at acxiom.com (Frooninckx Craig - cfroon)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Pictures from Damian Pilgrimage
Message-ID: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E609EA@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>

No, I forgot to attach the picture, but I resent it with the attachment,
none of me emails with pictures have come across yet, and the first one went
out this morning at 9am, I wonder if the server is holding it up because of
the attachment...

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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:03 PM
To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Pictures from Damian Pilgrimage


Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> Tilda-Tilda??
> 

Are you saying that we have to be in scalar context to get the pictures? ;)


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From whitneyt at agcs.com  Tue Jan 29 17:50:25 2002
From: whitneyt at agcs.com (Thomas Whitney)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Pictures from Damian Pilgrimage
References: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E609EA@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <3C573541.BD772C09@agcs.com>

Are the pictures going on the phoenix.pm web page?

Tom

Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:

> No, I forgot to attach the picture, but I resent it with the attachment,
> none of me emails with pictures have come across yet, and the first one went
> out this morning at 9am, I wonder if the server is holding it up because of
> the attachment...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:03 PM
> To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Pictures from Damian Pilgrimage
>
> Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
>
> > Tilda-Tilda??
> >
>
> Are you saying that we have to be in scalar context to get the pictures? ;)
>
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From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 29 19:57:59 2002
From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Pictures from Damian Pilgrimage
In-Reply-To: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E609EA@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom
 .net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020129185705.02e87a70@mail.earthlink.net>

At 03:45 PM 1/29/02 -0700, you wrote:
>No, I forgot to attach the picture, but I resent it with the attachment,
>none of me emails with pictures have come across yet, and the first one went
>out this morning at 9am, I wonder if the server is holding it up because of
>the attachment...

Yep.  It looks like they bounced.  Just send them to me 
(doug.miles@bpxinternet.com) and I'll get them up on the web site.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:03 PM
>To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
>Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Pictures from Damian Pilgrimage
>
>
>Frooninckx Craig - cfroon wrote:
>
> > Tilda-Tilda??
> >
>
>Are you saying that we have to be in scalar context to get the pictures? ;)
>
>
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From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 29 20:16:51 2002
From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:36 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Job: looking for freelance Perl programmer
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020129191637.02f58ec0@mail.earthlink.net>

Anyone who is interested, contact Gretel directly.

>From: "Gretel Hakanson" <gretel@sandwebdesign.com>
>To: <perlguy@earthlink.net>
>Subject: looking for freelance Perl programmer
>Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:28:03 -0700
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
>
>Hi Doug,
>I saw your name & e-mail on the Perl Mongers web site. I am writing 
>because I'm looking for a freelance Perl programmer to help me with a web 
>project. Is this appropriate to ask you? Do you know of anyone in your 
>group who might be interested in working with me (a web developer) on an 
>e-commerce site? I live in Prescott and do freelance web work. I know some 
>Perl but not enough (I should actually join your group b/c I need to learn 
>more). I'm happy to provide more details, just let me know.
>
>
>thanks,
>
>Gretel Hakanson
>gretel@sandwebdesign.com
><http://www.sandwebdesign.com>www.sandwebdesign.com
>Web site design, scripting, and maintenance
>928-717-1414



From nishfish at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 29 20:29:01 2002
From: nishfish at yahoo.com (N)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <6B681776AD07ED4EBEEA5D961E431088E609E5@phxmx02.Corp.Acxiom.net>
Message-ID: <20020130022901.63310.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi
I have a SQL loading question.  have a flat text file
that is generated every day, the contents of which I
need loaded into a SQL database. The file is comma
delimited and each value in the text file corresponds
to a field in my SQL database. When i extract the
elements and run the loader against the file, I get
the following error:
Could not execute sql statement: at
C:\Perl\perfloader.pl line 31, <NISHANT> line 6
  The number at the end ie: 6 corresponds to the
number of entries in the flat text file.
I have attached my loader program and the text file as
well and was wondering if any body knew what the issue
was.
Also, I have a text file, the values that are
delimited by "|" and  Iam having difficulty using the
split command to extract the elements.
Thank you
Rgds
Nishant
PS: I use a system DSN connection against the SQL db


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From kellewic at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 29 21:14:31 2002
From: kellewic at yahoo.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
References: <20020130022901.63310.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c1a93c$3c870ca0$0201a8c0@poria1.az.home.com>

$input_file="util.txt";
open(NISHANT,$input_file);
while (<NISHANT>) {
   foreach $lines ($_) {
      chomp $_;
      push (@lines,$lines);
   }
}

I am kind of confused about the above code. Is anything even placed into
@lines? Couldn't this just be written as:

$input_file="util.txt";
open(NISHANT,$input_file);
@lines = <NISHANT>;
close NISHANT;

or better yet since the close() is placed at the end of the code do:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------
#!/usr/bin/perl
use OLE;
$conn = CreateObject OLE "ADODB.Connection" || die "CreateObject: $!";
$conn->Open('sort_data');   # connect to data source

open NISHANT, "util.txt";
while (<NISHANT>) {
    chomp;
   ($tester, $ww, $util) = split ',';
   $conn->Execute("INSERT into utilization (id, tester_name, ww, util)
VALUES ('$tester', '$ww', '$util ')")
            | | die "Could not execute sql statement: $!";
}

close NISHANT;
$conn->Close();
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------


Shay


----- Original Message -----
From: "N" <nishfish@yahoo.com>
To: <phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:29 PM
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question


> Hi
> I have a SQL loading question.  have a flat text file
> that is generated every day, the contents of which I
> need loaded into a SQL database. The file is comma
> delimited and each value in the text file corresponds
> to a field in my SQL database. When i extract the
> elements and run the loader against the file, I get
> the following error:
> Could not execute sql statement: at
> C:\Perl\perfloader.pl line 31, <NISHANT> line 6
>   The number at the end ie: 6 corresponds to the
> number of entries in the flat text file.
> I have attached my loader program and the text file as
> well and was wondering if any body knew what the issue
> was.
> Also, I have a text file, the values that are
> delimited by "|" and  Iam having difficulty using the
> split command to extract the elements.
> Thank you
> Rgds
> Nishant
> PS: I use a system DSN connection against the SQL db
>
>
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From nishfish at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 29 22:43:44 2002
From: nishfish at yahoo.com (N)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <001e01c1a93c$3c870ca0$0201a8c0@poria1.az.home.com>
Message-ID: <20020130044344.71033.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>

Shay
I get the folowing error message when I run the
program: 
Could not execute sql statement: at C:\Perl\loader.pl
line 13, <NISHANT> line 1.

 Do you know why I get this error and how I might go
about debugging it?

Thanks 
Rgds
NP


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From nishfish at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 29 23:05:54 2002
From: nishfish at yahoo.com (N)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <001e01c1a93c$3c870ca0$0201a8c0@poria1.az.home.com>
Message-ID: <20020130050554.84753.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>

Shay
I get the folowing error message when I run the
program: 
Could not execute sql statement: at C:\Perl\loader.pl
line 13, <NISHANT> line 1.

 Do you know why I get this error and how I might go
about debugging it?

Thanks 
Rgds
NP

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From kellewic at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 29 23:57:27 2002
From: kellewic at yahoo.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
References: <20020130050554.84753.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c1a952$ffa80b60$0201a8c0@poria1.az.home.com>

Try printing the entire query and see what it's sending to the database.
Make sure the values are quoted correctly. I am unfamiliar with particulars
of running Perl under Windows. Make sure you are getting the values into
your variables that you think you're getting.


Shay

----- Original Message -----
From: "N" <nishfish@yahoo.com>
To: <phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Cc: <kellewic@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question


> Shay
> I get the folowing error message when I run the
> program:
> Could not execute sql statement: at C:\Perl\loader.pl
> line 13, <NISHANT> line 1.
>
>  Do you know why I get this error and how I might go
> about debugging it?
>
> Thanks
> Rgds
> NP
>
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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 30 10:53:36 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
References: <20020130022901.63310.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C582510.5080200@bpxinternet.com>

N wrote:

> Hi
> I have a SQL loading question.  have a flat text file
> that is generated every day, the contents of which I
> need loaded into a SQL database. The file is comma
> delimited and each value in the text file corresponds
> to a field in my SQL database. When i extract the
> elements and run the loader against the file, I get
> the following error:
> Could not execute sql statement: at
> C:\Perl\perfloader.pl line 31, <NISHANT> line 6
>   The number at the end ie: 6 corresponds to the
> number of entries in the flat text file.
> I have attached my loader program and the text file as
> well and was wondering if any body knew what the issue
> was.
> Also, I have a text file, the values that are
> delimited by "|" and  Iam having difficulty using the
> split command to extract the elements.
> Thank you
> Rgds
> Nishant
> PS: I use a system DSN connection against the SQL db
> 


I would add:

print "$sql_insert\n";

at line 31.  Then take that query that is displayed, and cut and paste 
it into whatever sql tool you have to see if it executes that way. 
Also, along the lines with what shay said earlier, you should be able to 
do everyting in one while loop.  You shouldn't neet the foreach loop at 
all.  This will simplify the program.  Also, do you have any program 
that actually works making this database connection?  If not, maybe 
there is an issue with the way you are connecting and/or executing the 
query.  I'm not a windows guy, so I'm not familiar with the way you are 
doing it.  If that doesn't work, maybe you should try DBI and DBD::ODBC 
or something.





From nishfish at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 30 11:24:28 2002
From: nishfish at yahoo.com (N)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <3C582510.5080200@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20020130172428.80047.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi
I put in the print statement like you said and got the
following message.

INSERT into utilization (id,tester_name,ww,util)VALUES
('TER01','04','98.60% ')
Could not execute sql statement: at
C:\Perl\perfloader.pl line 32, <NISHANT> line 6.

it is inserting the first line and then errors out at
the last line.
The wierd thing is I use the same ODBC connection and
can do inserts into the very same db from command
line/user input.
I pasted the insert statement using the SQL Enterprise
manager and the insert syntax works okay
Thanks for your help
Rgds
NP

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From nishfish at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 30 11:27:51 2002
From: nishfish at yahoo.com (N)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <3C582510.5080200@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20020130172751.71161.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi
I had yet another question....are there any drivers or
perl modules i could use so that I can load a text
file from UNIX into a windows db?

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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 30 11:44:05 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
References: <20020130172428.80047.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C5830E5.4080300@bpxinternet.com>

N wrote:

> Hi
> I put in the print statement like you said and got the
> following message.
> 
> INSERT into utilization (id,tester_name,ww,util)VALUES
> ('TER01','04','98.60% ')
> Could not execute sql statement: at
> C:\Perl\perfloader.pl line 32, <NISHANT> line 6.
> 
> it is inserting the first line and then errors out at
> the last line.
> The wierd thing is I use the same ODBC connection and
> can do inserts into the very same db from command
> line/user input.
> I pasted the insert statement using the SQL Enterprise
> manager and the insert syntax works okay
> Thanks for your help
> Rgds
> NP

One other thought occurred to me.  Try taking the die off of the Execute 
statement.  Are you sure that Execute returns true on success?  This is 
a long shot. :)


From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 30 11:45:44 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
References: <20020130172751.71161.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C583148.5050204@bpxinternet.com>

N wrote:

> Hi
> I had yet another question....are there any drivers or
> perl modules i could use so that I can load a text
> file from UNIX into a windows db?
> 

I think we need more information.  What do you mean by "load a text file 
from UNIX"?  Is it on a remote UNIX server, or is it a local file with 
UNIX line endings?



From nishfish at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 30 12:12:58 2002
From: nishfish at yahoo.com (N)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <3C5830E5.4080300@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20020130181258.50622.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Doug
I took off the die statement and put a print "success"
at the end. It got till thee and printed out each line
as it is parsing through it but made no insert
Rgds
N

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From nishfish at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 30 12:15:07 2002
From: nishfish at yahoo.com (N)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <3C583148.5050204@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20020130181507.81600.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>

I have file on a unix server and need the
info(actually it is the same file I am having troubles
with now) loaded to a MSSQL database on an NT machine
and was wondering if there was a way I could make a
database connection from the UNIX server to the NT
database through perl rather than writing an ftp
function to send the file over and then an NT perl db
loader picking it up and then inserting the values in
the database.
Rgds
N

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From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com  Wed Jan 30 12:34:24 2002
From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
References: <20020130181507.81600.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C583CB0.2090402@bpxinternet.com>

N wrote:

> I have file on a unix server and need the
> info(actually it is the same file I am having troubles
> with now) loaded to a MSSQL database on an NT machine
> and was wondering if there was a way I could make a
> database connection from the UNIX server to the NT
> database through perl rather than writing an ftp
> function to send the file over and then an NT perl db
> loader picking it up and then inserting the values in
> the database.
> Rgds
> N

DBI/DBD::ODBC should do what you want.  Anyone out there have experience 
with this?


From sharding at ccbill.com  Wed Jan 30 15:26:59 2002
From: sharding at ccbill.com (Shay Harding)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
References: <20020130181507.81600.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> <3C583CB0.2090402@bpxinternet.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c1a9d4$defa6fc0$0201a8c0@poria1.az.home.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Miles" <doug.miles@bpxinternet.com>
To: <phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question


> N wrote:
>
> > I have file on a unix server and need the
> > info(actually it is the same file I am having troubles
> > with now) loaded to a MSSQL database on an NT machine
> > and was wondering if there was a way I could make a
> > database connection from the UNIX server to the NT
> > database through perl rather than writing an ftp
> > function to send the file over and then an NT perl db
> > loader picking it up and then inserting the values in
> > the database.
> > Rgds
> > N
>
> DBI/DBD::ODBC should do what you want.  Anyone out there have experience
> with this?

No experience but I think DBD::ODBC is probably an XS interface to some .dll
on Windows so it might only run on Windows? I doubt it is pure Perl so it
probably won't run under UNIX. There are ODBC drivers that you can install
on UNIX, but once again, I typically don't interface with Windows so I can't
say for sure. I am certain you can go the other way though: Windows ->
UNIX -> Windows where the Windows box selects off the UNIX database (I
presume either MySQL or MSQL?) then insert into the Windows box via
DBD::ODBC. Something typical might look like this:

#!perl

use DBI;
my $odbc = DBI->connect("DBI:odbc:database:server", "user", "pass");   #
This might not be syntactically correct
my $unix = DBI->connect("DBI:mysql:database:server", "user", "pass");  # I
know this is correct

my $sth = $unix->prepare("SELECT some data");
$sth->execute;

while (my $data = $sth->fetchrow_arrayref){
    $odbc->do("INSERT the data into Windows database");
}

$sth->finish;   # not usually necessary
$odbc->disconnect;
$unix->disconnect;


It really doesn't matter what database is running on the UNIX server as this
should work for Oracle, Sybase, Postgres, MySQL, mSQL, etc.

Shay


From phaedrus at illogics.org  Wed Jan 30 16:52:31 2002
From: phaedrus at illogics.org (Scott Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <20020130172428.80047.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201301444010.7276-100000@straylight>


N,

1. Don't ignore failure. It's failing for a reason.
2. Add this to your die statement: (I can't remember what your DBI handle is 
called so I'm calling it $dbh in this example:)
  $dbh->execute("sql here") or die("died! reason? maybe! " . $dbh->err);
  This will get the error message from DBI so we can see what went wrong.
  Post this back to the list - the source code and the output in the
  same message - and I'll take another hack at it.
3. This same approach should work to inserting text files. If the
text files have ' marks in them, you can escape them:
$file =~ s/'/''/g;
4. You mentioned you were having a hard time splitting on |. It is
a regex special character, so you have to put a backslash in front of it
to use it as a normal character: @ar = split /\|/, $string;

Now, run that again, and tell me what the die message is...

-scott

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, N wrote:

> Hi
> I put in the print statement like you said and got the
> following message.
> 
> INSERT into utilization (id,tester_name,ww,util)VALUES
> ('TER01','04','98.60% ')
> Could not execute sql statement: at
> C:\Perl\perfloader.pl line 32, <NISHANT> line 6.
> 
> it is inserting the first line and then errors out at
> the last line.
> The wierd thing is I use the same ODBC connection and
> can do inserts into the very same db from command
> line/user input.
> I pasted the insert statement using the SQL Enterprise
> manager and the insert syntax works okay
> Thanks for your help
> Rgds
> NP
> 
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From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 30 17:21:03 2002
From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Fwd: Re: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020130161919.03881930@mail.earthlink.net>


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>
>N wrote:
>
>>I have file on a unix server and need the
>>info(actually it is the same file I am having troubles
>>with now) loaded to a MSSQL database on an NT machine
>>and was wondering if there was a way I could make a
>>database connection from the UNIX server to the NT
>>database through perl rather than writing an ftp
>>function to send the file over and then an NT perl db
>>loader picking it up and then inserting the values in
>>the database.
>>Rgds
>>N
>
>DBI/DBD::ODBC should do what you want.  Anyone out there have experience 
>with this?

Here is a list of FAQs from the DBD::ODBC man page that may help:

What is DBD::ODBC? Why can't I connect? Do I need an ODBC driver? What is 
the ODBC driver manager?
These, general questions lead to needing definitions.

1) ODBC Driver - the driver that the ODBC manager uses to connect and 
interact with the RDBMS. You DEFINITELY need this to connect to any 
database. For Win32, they are plentiful and installed with many 
applications. For Linux/Unix, some hunting is required, but you may find 
something useful at:

         http://www.openlinksw.com
         http://www.easysoft.com
         http://www.intersolv.com



2) ODBC Driver Manager - the piece of software which interacts with the 
drivers for the application. It "hides" some of the differences between the 
drivers (i.e. if a function call is not supported by a driver, it 'hides' 
that and informs the application that the call is not supported. DBD::ODBC 
needs this to talk to drivers. Under Win32, it is built in to the OS. Under 
Unix/Linux, in most cases, you will want to use freeODBC, unixODBC or 
iODBC. iODBC was bundled with DBD::ODBC, but you will need to find one 
which suits your needs. Please see www.openlinksw.com, www.easysoft.com or 
www.iodbc.org

3) DBD::ODBC. DBD::ODBC uses the driver manager to talk to the ODBC 
driver(s) on your system. You need both a driver manager and driver 
installed and tested before working with DBD::ODBC. You need to have a DSN 
(see below) configured *and* TESTED before being able to test DBD::ODBC.

4) DSN -- Data Source Name. It's a way of referring to a particular 
database by any name you wish. The name itself can be configured to hide 
the gory details of which type of driver you need and the connection 
information you need to provide. For example, for some databases, you need 
to provide a TCP address and port. You can configure the DSN to have use 
information when you refer to the DSN.

Where do I get an ODBC driver manager for Unix/Linux?
DBD::ODBC comes with one (iODBC). In the DBD::ODBC source release is a 
directory named iodbcsrc. There are others. UnixODBC, FreeODBC and some of 
the drivers will come with one of these managers. For example Openlink's 
drivers (see below) come with the iODBC driver manager. Easysoft supplies 
both ODBC-ODBC bridge software and unixODBC.

How do I access a MS SQL Server database from Linux?
Try using drivers from http://www.openlinksw.com or www.easysoft.com The 
multi-tier drivers have been tested with Linux and Redhat 5.1.

How do I access an MS-Access database from Linux?
I believe you can use the multi-tier drivers from 
http://www.openlinksw.com, however, I have not tested this. Also, I believe 
there is a commercial solution from http://www.easysoft.com. I have not 
tested this.

If someone does have more information, please, please send it to me and I 
will put it in this FAQ.

Almost all of my tests for DBD::ODBC fail. They complain about not being 
able to connect or the DSN is not found.
Please, please test your configuration of ODBC and driver before trying to 
test DBD::ODBC. Most of the time, this stems from the fact that the DSN (or 
ODBC) is not configured properly. iODBC comes with a odbctest program. 
Please use it to verify connectivity.

For Unix -> Windows DB see Tom Lowery's write-up.
http://tlowery.hypermart.net/perl_dbi_dbd_faq.html#HowDoIAccessMSWindowsDB




From nishfish at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 30 18:14:23 2002
From: nishfish at yahoo.com (N)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:16:37 2004
Subject: Phoenix.pm: PERL-SQL question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.20.0201301444010.7276-100000@straylight>
Message-ID: <20020131001423.59664.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Scott
I figured out what the probem was. It was not in the
perl code at all. What happened was that the DBA who
designed the database, specified the "id' field to be
an auto increment and I didnt know that and was
passing a "null" value from the loader and hence there
was a conflict in the database itself and hence loads
were failing.
I would like to express my gratitude to you and
everybody who helped me trouble shoot this problem.
Regards
Nishant

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