From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jan 11 12:28:53 2001 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 01/16/2001 Message-ID: <3A5DFB65.6C917AED@bpxinternet.com> Well, after a long vacation, I'm ready to get back in the swing of things. I'd like to invite all of you lurkers (you know who you are) to make a New Years resolution (we know how well that works) and come on out for the meeting. I'd like to discuss direction for this year, so come and add your vote (no chads, I promise). We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, January 16th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. I'll be presenting a template based web site building tool that I'm working on, and begging for presenters. :) -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From phaedrus at contactdesigns.com Thu Jan 11 09:30:17 2001 From: phaedrus at contactdesigns.com (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 01/16/2001 In-Reply-To: <3A5DFB65.6C917AED@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: I can't present anything. I've completely burnt out on Perl and regressed to programming in bash. (Kidding!). I expect to be there. As usual, I'll try to drag people with me. -scott On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Doug Miles wrote: > Well, after a long vacation, I'm ready to get back in the swing of > things. I'd like to invite all of you lurkers (you know who you are) to > make a New Years resolution (we know how well that works) and come on > out for the meeting. I'd like to discuss direction for this year, so > come and add your vote (no chads, I promise). > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, January 16th at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > I'll be presenting a template based web site building tool that I'm > working on, and begging for presenters. :) > > -- > - Doug > > Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jan 11 13:54:37 2001 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 01/16/2001 References: Message-ID: <3A5E0F7D.AC5A32EE@bpxinternet.com> Scott Walters wrote: > > I can't present anything. I've completely burnt out on Perl and > regressed to programming in bash. (Kidding!). I expect to be there. > As usual, I'll try to drag people with me. Try rendering them unconscious first. I find that that always helps. :) -- - Doug Encrypted with ROT-26 - all attempts to decrypt are illegal under the DMCA! From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Thu Jan 11 14:07:51 2001 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 01/16/2001 Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F21239@tef00021.vitalps.com> I'll be there! -----Original Message----- From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:29 AM To: Phoenix.pm Cc: Rose Keys Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 01/16/2001 Well, after a long vacation, I'm ready to get back in the swing of things. I'd like to invite all of you lurkers (you know who you are) to make a New Years resolution (we know how well that works) and come on out for the meeting. I'd like to discuss direction for this year, so come and add your vote (no chads, I promise). We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, January 16th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. I'll be presenting a template based web site building tool that I'm working on, and begging for presenters. :) -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From Cakperldev at aol.com Fri Jan 12 07:18:42 2001 From: Cakperldev at aol.com (Cakperldev@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? Message-ID: <48.ffefca4.27905e32@aol.com> Hi, I'm new to the list and just checking to see if anyone is out there. CAK From mark at wcws.com Fri Jan 12 09:57:09 2001 From: mark at wcws.com (Mark A. Sharkey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? References: <48.ffefca4.27905e32@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A5F2955.B193FCF2@wcws.com> ....uhhhh, I'm here. Mark -- Do you want the power and flexibility of having your own iServer without the risk or hassle of maintaining it yourself? Professional management of your iServer account http://www.iServerPros.com @---------------------------@-----------------------@ | Mark A. Sharkey | mailto:mark@wcws.com | | World Class Web Sites | http://www.wcws.com | | | 800 844 4434 | | Custom CGI Scripts | 480 461 9765 | | Perl PHP MySQL JavaScript | 480 461 9312 (fax) | @---------------------------@-----------------------@ Cakperldev@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > I'm new to the list and just checking to see if anyone is out there. > CAK From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Fri Jan 12 10:59:17 2001 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F2123A@tef00021.vitalps.com> Hello, Welcome. I'm Bryan. Are you comming to the meeting on Tuesday? -----Original Message----- From: Cakperldev@aol.com [mailto:Cakperldev@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:19 AM To: phoenix-pm-list@pm.org Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? Hi, I'm new to the list and just checking to see if anyone is out there. CAK From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Fri Jan 12 11:12:57 2001 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? References: <48.ffefca4.27905e32@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A5F3B19.3C42C315@bpxinternet.com> Cakperldev@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > I'm new to the list and just checking to see if anyone is out there. > CAK Hi, I'm Doug Miles, head of Phoenix.pm. We're here. We're just not very chatty I guess. I just announced the next meeting. I'll send you the announcement privately, I case you missed it. Welcome! -- - Doug Encrypted with ROT-26 - all attempts to decrypt are illegal under the DMCA! From eden.li at asu.edu Fri Jan 12 12:15:50 2001 From: eden.li at asu.edu (Eden Li) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/07/2000 References: <3A2FC99B.5720146C@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <006d01c07cc3$b1669190$f700a8c0@advcomputer.com> Mark me there. Eden Li eden.li@asu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Miles" To: "Phoenix.pm" Cc: "Rose Keys" Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 10:32 AM Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 12/07/2000 | Please RSVP. | | This will be the last meeting of this year. Happy Holidays! | | We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, December 7th at 7:00PM. | It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, | which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking | lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the | receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot | that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. | Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, | which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. | | I'll be presenting a server side alternative to image maps, and if I | have time, my maze module. | | -- | - Doug | | Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. | From phaedrus at contactdesigns.com Fri Jan 12 12:13:45 2001 From: phaedrus at contactdesigns.com (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? In-Reply-To: <48.ffefca4.27905e32@aol.com> Message-ID: Cakperldev, Howdy. Yes, there are people around. Mostly lurkers, though. We've got a lot of people that *don't* want to be identified, actually. -scott On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 Cakperldev@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to the list and just checking to see if anyone is out there. > CAK > From sinck at ugive.com Fri Jan 12 15:39:44 2001 From: sinck at ugive.com (sinck@ugive.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? References: <48.ffefca4.27905e32@aol.com> Message-ID: <14943.31136.941213.336261@owmyeye.ugive.com> \_ Yes, there are people around. Mostly lurkers, though. We've got a \_ lot of people that *don't* want to be identified, actually. Heh. Now I'm all a-curious and itchy to know who doesn't want to fess up to being on the phoenix.pm list. For instance, is the VB head designer on the list? :-) David From janis at primenet.com Fri Jan 12 16:57:52 2001 From: janis at primenet.com (Janis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? In-Reply-To: <14943.31136.941213.336261@owmyeye.ugive.com> from "sinck@ugive.com" at Jan 12, 2001 02:39:44 PM Message-ID: <200101122258.PAA25703@usr01.primenet.com> > > \_ Yes, there are people around. Mostly lurkers, though. We've got a > \_ lot of people that *don't* want to be identified, actually. > > Heh. Now I'm all a-curious and itchy to know who doesn't want to fess > up to being on the phoenix.pm list. > Me! Don't tell anyone I'm here. -Heather (and, oh yeah, I'll try to make it Tues.) From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Fri Jan 12 18:50:15 2001 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? In-Reply-To: References: <48.ffefca4.27905e32@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010112174832.01e5dcc0@mail.earthlink.net> At 01:13 PM 1/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >Cakperldev, > >Howdy. > >Yes, there are people around. Mostly lurkers, though. We've got a lot of >people that *don't* want >to be identified, actually. Cool! I didn't realize we were subversive! OOPS. I didn't say that. This didn't happen, and I wasn't here. :) From Cakperldev at aol.com Fri Jan 12 20:22:31 2001 From: Cakperldev at aol.com (Cakperldev@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Anybody Home? Message-ID: //Heh. Now I'm all a-curious and itchy to know who doesn't want to fess //up to being on the phoenix.pm list. //For instance, is the VB head designer on the list? :-) I heard Bill Gates was lurking on this list looking for talent to steal. CAK From Cakperldev at aol.com Fri Jan 12 20:33:48 2001 From: Cakperldev at aol.com (Cakperldev@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Ah nuts! Message-ID: <57.10293f0c.2791188c@aol.com> I'm afraid that my son has soccer on Tue and Thur nights. Guess I'll have to shoot for the next meeting. See you then. CAK From Eden.Li at asu.edu Fri Jan 12 20:48:09 2001 From: Eden.Li at asu.edu (Eden.Li@asu.edu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Ah nuts! References: <57.10293f0c.2791188c@aol.com> Message-ID: <006f01c07d0b$44b74e70$d6862040@tumor> mmm... nuts.... From: > I'm afraid that my son has soccer on Tue and Thur nights. Guess I'll have to > shoot for the next meeting. See you then. From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Jan 16 10:35:21 2001 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 01/16/2001 Message-ID: <3A647849.5337C4F6@bpxinternet.com> Please RSVP if you haven't already. Well, after a long vacation, I'm ready to get back in the swing of things. I'd like to invite all of you lurkers (you know who you are) to make a New Years resolution (we know how well that works) and come on out for the meeting. I'd like to discuss direction for this year, so come and add your vote (no chads, I promise). We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, January 16th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. I'll be presenting a template based web site building tool that I'm working on, and begging for presenters. :) -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From lajandy at yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 10:46:24 2001 From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 01/16/2001 Message-ID: <20010116164624.11044.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> --- Doug Miles wrote: > Please RSVP if you haven't already. > I'll be there. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Tue Jan 16 17:26:59 2001 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: Final Info for O'Reilly P2P Conference Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116162649.01e23aa0@mail.earthlink.net> >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:44:26 -0800 (PST) >From: Denise Olliffe >To: djmilesfamily@earthlink.net >Subject: Final Info for O'Reilly P2P Conference > >O'Reilly's P2P Conference is February 14-16, in San Francisco, CA. > >This will be my last mailing for this conference (I promise). > >Please pass along conference info to your group members--they >may have no other way to receive the information. > >If you haven't entered the raffle to win one of two free passes to P2P, >please do so by the deadline of February 1st. Winners will be >announced on Feb. 2nd. If you did not receive my email about the >raffle, and would like further info, I'd be happy to send it. > >The O'Reilly Conference on P2P explores the business and technical >questions raised by the most revolutionary new Internet applications >since the Web. Napster, Gnutella, Freenet, Infrasearch, SETI@Home, >Popular Power, Groove, Jabber, UDDI, you name it, they'll (see list >below) all be there under one roof, providing a unique opportunity to >meet and learn from the technology and business innovators who are >shaping the next generation of pervasive technologies. > >For more information on the speakers or to register for the O'Reilly >Peer-toPeer Conference, see: http://conferences.oreilly.com/p2p/ > >Speakers are: > >David Anderson, Director SETI@home & Chief Technology of United >Devices Inc. >Michael Bauer, VP of Product Marketing, Jabber.com >Andreas Becker, Senior Consultant, Diebold Deutschland GmbH >Jamie Bernardin, Co-Founder, DataSynapse >Greg Bolcer, CTO, Endeavors Technology >Dan Bricklin >Greg Broiles, CEO, Turtledove >Marshall Burns, President, Ennex Corporation >Larry Cheng, Associate, Battery Ventures >Mike Clary >Ward Cunningham, Cofounder, Cunningham and Cunningham >Roger Dingledine, Security Philosopher, Reputation Technologies, Inc. >Cory Doctorow, Co-Founder and Chief Evangelist, OpenCola >Rael Dornfest, Maven, Developer, O'Reilly Network >Edd Dumbill, Managing Editor, XML.com >Andre Durand, General Manager, Jabber.com, Inc. >John Ellis, Columnist and Consultant, Fast Company magazine and >the New York Press >Wesley Felter, Editor, Hack the Planet Weblog >Jim Gallagher, Ackme >Lucas Gonze, Cofounder and CEO, WorldOS Corporation >Jonathan Hare, President, CEO and Co-Founder, Consilient >Jamey Harvey, Founder, co-President & Chief Product Officer, Ikimbo. >John Hebeler, Roku >Justin Hibbard, Senior Writer, Red Herring >Michael Hitz, CTO, skyfish.com >Theodore Hong, Developer, Freenet Project >Christian Huitema, Trustee, Internet Society >Bill Joy, Chief Scientist, Sun Microsystems >Gene Kan, CEO, InfraSearch >Rohit Khare, founding member of Jabber.com's Technical Advisory Board >Alexis Kopikis, Co-founder, WorldStreet >Larry Lessig, Professor of Law, Stanford Law School >Andrew Mahon, Director, Strategic Marketing, Groove Networks, Inc. >Scott Miller, Indiana University >Nelson Minar, Chief Technology Officer, Popular Power >Dana Moore, Roku >Zach Nelson, President and CEO, myCIO.com >Darren New, Senior Technical Staff, Invisible Worlds, Inc. >Tim O'Reilly, President and CEO, O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. >Ray Ozzie, Founder and CEO, Groove Networks >Shelley Powers, Consultant/Author, Burning Bird Enterprises >Karl Schroeder, Structured Document Designer, OpenCOLA >Clay Shirky, Partner for Technology and Product Strategy, >The Accelerator Group >Marc Stiegler, Consultant/Author >David Stutz, Software Architect, Microsoft Corporation >Michael Tanne, CEO, XDegrees >Kelly Truelove, Founder & CEO, Clip2 >Mark R. Walker, Intel Corporation >Bryce Wilcox, Mojo Nation >Brandon Wiley, Author, University of Texas >Dave Winer, CEO, UserLand Software > >Speaker biographies are available at: >http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/p2p/speakers.html > >--Denise From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Tue Jan 16 17:27:26 2001 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: O'Reilly Seeks Open Source and Perl Experts Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116162720.01e22dd0@mail.earthlink.net> >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:43:30 -0800 (PST) >From: Denise Olliffe >To: djmilesfamily@earthlink.net >Subject: O'Reilly Seeks Open Source and Perl Experts > > > >O'Reilly User Group Program Members: > >O'REILLY SEEKS OPEN SOURCE AND PERL EXPERTS TO PRESENT AT >THE O'REILLY OPEN SOURCE CONVENTION AND PERL CONFERENCE 5.0 >July 23-27, 2001 in San Diego, CA > >Developer & Programmer Convention Focuses on Emerging Techniques for >Open Source and Perl Communities > >O'Reilly & Associates has posted a Call for Participation soliciting >masters of Open Source and Perl technologies, who are interested in >leading tutorial and conference sessions at the 2001 O'Reilly Open >Source Convention and Perl Conference 5. Session speakers are sought >for three classes of talks: tutorial programs, convention >presentations, and refereed papers. > >The submission deadline for all proposals is February 1, 2001. >Presenters will be notified of selection results by March 1, 2001. > >For complete information about our submission and acceptance process >for the O'Reilly Open Source Convention, go to, >http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon2001/call.html > >The program committee invites submissions of tutorials or convention >presentations on topics of interest to programmers. The tracks at the >Open Source Convention will be: > >XML >MySQL >Apache >PHP >Python >Mozilla >Linux >Tcl >Zope > >For complete information about our submission and acceptance process >for the O'Reilly Perl Conference 5, go to, >http://conferences.oreilly.com/perl5/ > >Here are some suggested topics for Perl proposals: > >Perl 6 >Perl 5 >Internals >Threads >The Web >I18N/L10N XML >SOAP/XML-RPC/CORBA >LDAP >Linking Perl and C/C++/Java >The Compiler >Databases >GUIs and Graphics >P2P >.NET > >Please pass this information along to your members. > >If you would like to post a banner on your website for the O'Reilly >Open Source Convention and/or Perl Conference 5.0, please contact me. > >If you would like brochures for the either, I'd be happy to send some >once they are released--just let me know how many. > >Thanks, >Denise From lajandy at yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 03:08:48 2001 From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Larry Wall Interview on lwn.net Message-ID: <20010118090848.72377.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com> Just thought I'd break the silence and let you guys know about an interview Linux Weekly News did with Larry Wall (you know, that guy that came up with Perl). The article is here: http://lwn.net/2001/features/LarryWall/ The interview is somewhat long, and Larry talks about everything from his 1977 Honda Accord to anime to, oh yeah, Perl. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Cakperldev at aol.com Fri Jan 19 08:06:35 2001 From: Cakperldev at aol.com (Cakperldev@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Advocacy Message-ID: <1e.102ff00d.2799a3eb@aol.com> Hi there everyone. Hope Tuesday's meeting went well. I have a question about advocacy that I'd like your thoughts on. First, some background. I work for the Phoenix Municipal Court in the IST department writing and maintaining software for our Court Management System. This system is written in a language called JAM. The system is currently character based and the court would like to move to GUI. There are a number of possible commercial solutions all of which have some drawbacks so I took the liberty of developing and demonstrating a possible perl/Tk solution for my boss as another option. He is interested in it but has some reservations about converting our entire system to perl. I have already used perl to solve some really sticky problems in our system so he knows that perl can do the job. His concerns are about the longevity and viability of perl as a language. Will it be around in two years? Who maintains it? If we update our database, where do we get new drivers? Who supports it? That kind of thing. So my question to you is, if you were in my place, what resources would you point your boss to in order to improve his/her comfort level with perl as a real world solution? Thanks CAK From sinck at ugive.com Fri Jan 19 08:39:12 2001 From: sinck at ugive.com (sinck@ugive.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Advocacy References: <1e.102ff00d.2799a3eb@aol.com> Message-ID: <14952.20880.120106.587752@owmyeye.ugive.com> \_ He is interested in it but has some reservations about converting \_ our entire system to perl. I have already used perl to solve some \_ really sticky problems in our system so he knows that perl can do \_ the job. His concerns are about the longevity and viability of perl \_ as a language. Will it be around in two years? Who maintains it? If \_ we update our database, where do we get new drivers? Who supports \_ it? That kind of thing. \_ So my question to you is, if you were in my place, what resources would you \_ point your boss to in order to improve his/her comfort level with perl as a \_ real world solution? First, there's probably a perl advocacy howto floating around someplace offa the main websites. You might also get mileage out of the linux advocacy howto. As to your particular questions: The language is available and will be around indefinitely, however porting it run on the OS and hardware of your choice in 10 years might be better left to the robotic programmer assistant. :-) The community maintains it, which is it's strength and weakness. If you discover a big or interesting problem with something, you'll prolly have lots of eyeballs looking at it. If it's less glamorous, the community might not even notice you (worst case). Updating drivers depends on your database, your interface, and the phase of the moon. Please keep changes to all three to a minimum. If you named the database, that would help give a more specific answer. Support is offered commercially through several places, talk to google. Before, I'd say pick up TPJ anad flip through it, but that's not quite a viable solution. The biggest thing to consider here is not the technical whizbang features like herds of regexen grepping slowly across the data plains, but things *managers* care about, some of which you have already shown here: cost accountability maintainability productivity increase liability factors Think like a manager who wants the bottom line to be better this year than last.... If you can't make a good case based on those factors, it's probably best not to argue. :-) David From root at slowass.net Fri Jan 19 11:50:36 2001 From: root at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Advocacy In-Reply-To: <1e.102ff00d.2799a3eb@aol.com> Message-ID: CAK, Rhote answers follow, you've all been warned ;) (This is a frequently asked question, btw). On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Cakperldev@aol.com wrote: > Hi there everyone. Hope Tuesday's meeting went well. > > I have a question about advocacy that I'd like your thoughts on. > > First, some background. > > I work for the Phoenix Municipal Court in the IST department writing and > maintaining software for our Court Management System. This system is written > in a language called JAM. The system is currently character based and the > court would like to move to GUI. There are a number of possible commercial > solutions all of which have some drawbacks so I took the liberty of > developing and demonstrating a possible perl/Tk solution for my boss as > another option. > > He is interested in it but has some reservations about converting our entire > system to perl. I have already used perl to solve some really sticky problems > in our system so he knows that perl can do the job. His concerns are about > the longevity and viability of perl as a language. Will it be around in two Perl is probably the most popular langauge for web usage (can anyone confirm or deny this?). Perl comes with all major Linux distributions and installs by default. ActiveState markets it and support for Windows. Microsoft has announced plans to officially support it for Windows (and has funded ActiveStates development). > years? Who maintains it? If we update our database, where do we get new > drivers? Who supports it? That kind of thing. Hundreds of people maintain in. The licenses its distributed under assure that the right to distribute source and maintain it will never be revoked. Since anyone can write a database driver for it, its only a matter of time untill any new database is added. Open source software is far more reliable then closed source software on this matter: rather then support being a question of profits, its a matter of need. As soon as a qualified person needs the support, it's written. Since Perl supports several databases natively in addition to ODBC, it already has more comprehensive database support then VB (how does it compare to Java? I don't know what or how many database drivers Java has, but Perl must compare favorably on this front). > > So my question to you is, if you were in my place, what resources would you > point your boss to in order to improve his/her comfort level with perl as a > real world solution? I tend to tell employers point blank, that programmers LIKE to program in Perl, and they are better off with programs who want to program in the language they are using, rather then paying huge figures trying to find someone who is willing to program in a given language. Perfectly qualified, intelligent programmers often resort to programming COBOL and RPG just because of the money. > > Thanks > CAK > Hope this helps. Apology in advance for any misinformation. The alert readers of this list will surely correct me ;) -scott From root at slowass.net Fri Jan 19 11:50:36 2001 From: root at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Advocacy In-Reply-To: <1e.102ff00d.2799a3eb@aol.com> Message-ID: CAK, Rhote answers follow, you've all been warned ;) (This is a frequently asked question, btw). On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Cakperldev@aol.com wrote: > Hi there everyone. Hope Tuesday's meeting went well. > > I have a question about advocacy that I'd like your thoughts on. > > First, some background. > > I work for the Phoenix Municipal Court in the IST department writing and > maintaining software for our Court Management System. This system is written > in a language called JAM. The system is currently character based and the > court would like to move to GUI. There are a number of possible commercial > solutions all of which have some drawbacks so I took the liberty of > developing and demonstrating a possible perl/Tk solution for my boss as > another option. > > He is interested in it but has some reservations about converting our entire > system to perl. I have already used perl to solve some really sticky problems > in our system so he knows that perl can do the job. His concerns are about > the longevity and viability of perl as a language. Will it be around in two Perl is probably the most popular langauge for web usage (can anyone confirm or deny this?). Perl comes with all major Linux distributions and installs by default. ActiveState markets it and support for Windows. Microsoft has announced plans to officially support it for Windows (and has funded ActiveStates development). > years? Who maintains it? If we update our database, where do we get new > drivers? Who supports it? That kind of thing. Hundreds of people maintain in. The licenses its distributed under assure that the right to distribute source and maintain it will never be revoked. Since anyone can write a database driver for it, its only a matter of time untill any new database is added. Open source software is far more reliable then closed source software on this matter: rather then support being a question of profits, its a matter of need. As soon as a qualified person needs the support, it's written. Since Perl supports several databases natively in addition to ODBC, it already has more comprehensive database support then VB (how does it compare to Java? I don't know what or how many database drivers Java has, but Perl must compare favorably on this front). > > So my question to you is, if you were in my place, what resources would you > point your boss to in order to improve his/her comfort level with perl as a > real world solution? I tend to tell employers point blank, that programmers LIKE to program in Perl, and they are better off with programs who want to program in the language they are using, rather then paying huge figures trying to find someone who is willing to program in a given language. Perfectly qualified, intelligent programmers often resort to programming COBOL and RPG just because of the money. > > Thanks > CAK > Hope this helps. Apology in advance for any misinformation. The alert readers of this list will surely correct me ;) -scott From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Fri Jan 19 11:24:22 2001 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Advocacy References: <1e.102ff00d.2799a3eb@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A687846.A1B61543@bpxinternet.com> Cakperldev@aol.com wrote: > > Hi there everyone. Hope Tuesday's meeting went well. > > I have a question about advocacy that I'd like your thoughts on. > > First, some background. > > I work for the Phoenix Municipal Court in the IST department writing and > maintaining software for our Court Management System. This system is written > in a language called JAM. The system is currently character based and the > court would like to move to GUI. There are a number of possible commercial > solutions all of which have some drawbacks so I took the liberty of > developing and demonstrating a possible perl/Tk solution for my boss as > another option. > > He is interested in it but has some reservations about converting our entire > system to perl. I have already used perl to solve some really sticky problems > in our system so he knows that perl can do the job. His concerns are about > the longevity and viability of perl as a language. Will it be around in two > years? Who maintains it? If we update our database, where do we get new > drivers? Who supports it? That kind of thing. > > So my question to you is, if you were in my place, what resources would you > point your boss to in order to improve his/her comfort level with perl as a > real world solution? > > Thanks > CAK Here is a list of real world success stories with perl: http://perl.oreilly.com/news/success_stories.html Here is a perl advocacy site: http://www.perl.org/ topics include: Enterprise level support On-site training Perl is Y2K compliant Perl reduces business risks To answer some of the questions myself > His concerns are about the longevity and viability of perl as a language. > Will it be around in two years? Perl has already been around for over ten years. Compare this to Java. ;) Actually, it can be argued that Open Source programs have more longevity than commercial programs. A company can choose to drop support of a product at any time. They can also go out of business. With Open Source, as long as people are interested in the program, it will be improved and supported. Given people working on the project can come and go, but there is still a base of support. >Who maintains it? The perl community. As long as there are people using perl (which will be a long time) it will be maintained. Perl 6 is being developed now, but there is already a plan in place to continue support of Perl 5. > If we update our database, where do we get new drivers? CPAN. If it is a currently supported database (of which there are quite a few) you can bet that you won't be the only one interested in supporting new features of new database versions. > Who supports it? Again, you can get free support from the community: This list http://www.perlmonks.org/ Usenet There is also commercial support available. Check http://www.perl.org/. -- - Doug Encrypted with ROT-26 - all attempts to decrypt are illegal under the DMCA! From Cakperldev at aol.com Sat Jan 20 15:15:58 2001 From: Cakperldev at aol.com (Cakperldev@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Thanks Message-ID: Thanks for the responses. I hadn't thought of pushing the MicroSloth angle. Managers view that kind of thing as an indication of stability. Thanks also for the perlmonks link. I hadn't been there yet. Catch you later. CAK From pablo at zunigatech.com Sat Jan 20 17:30:07 2001 From: pablo at zunigatech.com (Pablo Velasquez) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Thanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010120161953.00ab3100@mail.zunigatech.com> Hey all, Here's a link to Damian Conway's website. The Perl community is sponsoring him for a year... http://yetanother.org/damian/ Also, I check this often (along with http://www.slashdot.org/) http://news.perl.org/ Happy hacking. -Pablo From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Jan 22 12:04:07 2001 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Thanks References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010120161953.00ab3100@mail.zunigatech.com> Message-ID: <3A6C7617.44D6DD96@bpxinternet.com> Pablo Velasquez wrote: > > Hey all, > Here's a link to Damian Conway's website. The Perl community is sponsoring > him for a year... > > http://yetanother.org/damian/ > > Also, I check this often (along with http://www.slashdot.org/) > > http://news.perl.org/ > > Happy hacking. > > -Pablo Don't forget http://use.perl.org/! -- - Doug Encrypted with ROT-26 - all attempts to decrypt are illegal under the DMCA! From forsythe at primenet.com Mon Jan 22 22:37:08 2001 From: forsythe at primenet.com (Tran Forsythe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Advocacy References: Message-ID: <008301c084f6$2770d0a0$0301a8c0@tran> On Friday, January 19, 2001 10:50 AM "Scott Walters" wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Cakperldev@aol.com wrote: > > He is interested in it but has some reservations about converting our entire > > system to perl. I have already used perl to solve some really sticky problems > > in our system so he knows that perl can do the job. His concerns are about > > the longevity and viability of perl as a language. Will it be around in two > > Perl is probably the most popular langauge for web usage (can anyone confirm > or deny this?). Perl comes with all major Linux distributions and installs > by default. ActiveState markets it and support for Windows. Microsoft has > announced plans to officially support it for Windows (and has funded ActiveStates > development). > > > years? Who maintains it? If we update our database, where do we get new > > drivers? Who supports it? That kind of thing. I came in late, so most of the good answers are taken ;) The only thing I can add is that ActiveState also (aside from Windows) distributes binary versions of Solaris and Linux that run right out of the box. They're pretty efficient install packages at that. So, if you're running any of the above OS's, you can get official support from ActiveState if you use theirs. Hope this doesn't come too late, -Kurt ------ "Push to test." "Release to detonate." -Brad Morrison From forsythe at primenet.com Mon Jan 22 22:37:08 2001 From: forsythe at primenet.com (Tran Forsythe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl Advocacy References: Message-ID: <008301c084f6$2770d0a0$0301a8c0@tran> On Friday, January 19, 2001 10:50 AM "Scott Walters" wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Cakperldev@aol.com wrote: > > He is interested in it but has some reservations about converting our entire > > system to perl. I have already used perl to solve some really sticky problems > > in our system so he knows that perl can do the job. His concerns are about > > the longevity and viability of perl as a language. Will it be around in two > > Perl is probably the most popular langauge for web usage (can anyone confirm > or deny this?). Perl comes with all major Linux distributions and installs > by default. ActiveState markets it and support for Windows. Microsoft has > announced plans to officially support it for Windows (and has funded ActiveStates > development). > > > years? Who maintains it? If we update our database, where do we get new > > drivers? Who supports it? That kind of thing. I came in late, so most of the good answers are taken ;) The only thing I can add is that ActiveState also (aside from Windows) distributes binary versions of Solaris and Linux that run right out of the box. They're pretty efficient install packages at that. So, if you're running any of the above OS's, you can get official support from ActiveState if you use theirs. Hope this doesn't come too late, -Kurt ------ "Push to test." "Release to detonate." -Brad Morrison From phaedrus at contactdesigns.com Sat Jan 27 01:45:28 2001 From: phaedrus at contactdesigns.com (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Thanks In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010120161953.00ab3100@mail.zunigatech.com> Message-ID: Kurt, Do you have that sample client/server UDP that you demo'd once? I wouldn't mind a digital copy of that (having lost my paper one), if its not a problem. Gotta do some UDP/TCP proxy stuff, and I'm sure I could recreate what you did, but my brain hasn't had it's oil changed in about 5,000 miles and I think one of the lobes is flat. Thanks YO YO YO WUSSUP Y'ALL! (sorry, its late). -scott From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Jan 29 13:00:49 2001 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 Message-ID: <3A75BDE1.DE9CABC2@bpxinternet.com> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system. -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From root at slowass.net Mon Jan 29 14:40:05 2001 From: root at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 In-Reply-To: <3A75BDE1.DE9CABC2@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: (From the bottom of the page on the website of the machine that netcraft has the longist recorded uptime on, at 903 days:) This web site is being brought to you by the blazing power of a 386/40 with 8M of memory. Just more proof that the computer industry is ripping you off. Anyway, I just wanted to reply and comment that I'm offended Doug called it a template system. It's just what I use to do template like things with ;) -scott On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Doug Miles wrote: > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system. > > -- > - Doug > > Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Wed Jan 31 13:49:28 2001 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 Message-ID: <3A786C48.2C4D9A1E@bpxinternet.com> Please RSVP. Come watch Scott get revenge for that templating system comment! :) We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system. -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From lajandy at yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 13:54:06 2001 From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:19 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 In-Reply-To: <3A786C48.2C4D9A1E@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <20010131195406.43795.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> I'll be there. --- Doug Miles wrote: > Please RSVP. Come watch Scott get revenge for that templating system > comment! :) > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at > 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The > parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the > lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of > McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main > lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system. > > -- > - Doug > > Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. ===== __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Wed Jan 31 13:58:55 2001 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:20 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F21275@tef00021.vitalps.com> I don't think I will be able to make it tonight. I'll try to come next time. I have to be here working my little brain until it smokes. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:49 PM To: Phoenix.pm Cc: Rose Keys Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 Please RSVP. Come watch Scott get revenge for that templating system comment! :) We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system. -- - Doug Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From lajandy at yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 14:22:10 2001 From: lajandy at yahoo.com (Andrew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:20 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 In-Reply-To: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F21275@tef00021.vitalps.com> Message-ID: <20010131202210.91200.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> But the meeting is tomorrow night, right? Today is Jan 31... --- Bryan Lane wrote: > I don't think I will be able to make it tonight. I'll try to come > next > time. I have to be here working my little brain until it smokes. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:49 PM > To: Phoenix.pm > Cc: Rose Keys > Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 > > > Please RSVP. Come watch Scott get revenge for that templating system > comment! :) > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at > 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The > parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the > lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of > McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main > lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system. > > -- > - Doug > > Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. ===== __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jimm at amug.org Wed Jan 31 14:45:22 2001 From: jimm at amug.org (jim mckay) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:20 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 In-Reply-To: <3A786C48.2C4D9A1E@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <20010131134523-r01010600-55a67c3d@24.21.124.54> I'm gonna try and be there, no guarantee though.. Jim M On 1/31/01 at 12:49 PM, doug.miles@bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) wrote: > Please RSVP. Come watch Scott get revenge for that templating system > comment! :) > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system. > > -- > - Doug > > Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. > From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Wed Jan 31 14:43:15 2001 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:20 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF25F21276@tef00021.vitalps.com> Details, details.... I meant tomorrow, but my fingers typed tonight:) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Johnson [mailto:lajandy@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:22 PM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: RE: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 But the meeting is tomorrow night, right? Today is Jan 31... --- Bryan Lane wrote: > I don't think I will be able to make it tonight. I'll try to come > next > time. I have to be here working my little brain until it smokes. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:49 PM > To: Phoenix.pm > Cc: Rose Keys > Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 > > > Please RSVP. Come watch Scott get revenge for that templating system > comment! :) > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at > 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The > parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the > lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of > McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main > lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system. > > -- > - Doug > > Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. ===== __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From janis at primenet.com Wed Jan 31 14:47:27 2001 From: janis at primenet.com (Janis) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:20 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 In-Reply-To: <3A786C48.2C4D9A1E@bpxinternet.com> from "Doug Miles" at Jan 31, 2001 12:49:28 PM Message-ID: <200101312047.NAA04749@usr07.primenet.com> I'll be there if I can sit in the front row and throw M&Ms. -Heather From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Wed Jan 31 18:58:02 2001 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:20 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: O'Reilly Announces elists.oreilly.com Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010131175739.04030d90@mail.earthlink.net> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:52:01 -0800 (PST) >From: Denise Olliffe >To: djmilesfamily@earthlink.net >Subject: O'Reilly Announces elists.oreilly.com > >Hello UG Leaders: > >We've recently started the O'Reilly Email Lists. > >elists.oreilly.com helps you get just the O'Reilly news you >want with customizable email lists. You can find out about >new books, get weekly oreilly.com updates and O'Reilly Network >newsletters, learn the latest about our conferences, and more. > >The information on elists is separate from the announcements >I send to you as part of the user group program. Some info >may be similar in content. > >Please pass this info to your members. They can sign up at >elists.oreilly.com. > >:) >Denise From Eden.Li at asu.edu Wed Jan 31 19:58:26 2001 From: Eden.Li at asu.edu (Eden.Li@asu.edu) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:20 2004 Subject: Reminder: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 02/01/2001 References: <3A786C48.2C4D9A1E@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <004c01c08bf2$78a15780$d6862040@tumor> ARE ESS VEE PEA EE DEE EE ENN (eden :) From: "Doug Miles" > Please RSVP. Come watch Scott get revenge for that templating system > comment! :) > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, February 1st at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > Scott Walters will be presenting his templating system.