From root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net Mon Jun 5 05:14:56 2000 From: root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 06/01/2000 In-Reply-To: <392EE76A.7E0DEEC2@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: Hey folks... I think I completely forgot to attend =( I'm in danger of losing my "regular" status. I promise to make the next one... how did the presentation go? Does Doug's indexing engine suck or rule? =) -scott On Fri, 26 May 2000, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > For real this time... > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, June 1st at 7:00PM. > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > I'll be presenting a simple indexing and search engine. Feedback is > encouraged. > > -- > For a list of the ways which technology has failed > to improve our quality of life, press 3. > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Jun 5 17:30:27 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Douglas E. Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 06/01/2000 References: Message-ID: <393C2A03.D814DA2D@bpxinternet.com> Scott Walters wrote: > > Hey folks... > > I think I completely forgot to attend =( > I'm in danger of losing my "regular" status. > I promise to make the next one... how did the presentation go? Does Doug's > indexing engine suck or rule? =) Hmmm. I might have to whip up a ballot stuffing perl script. :) -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From pablo at zunigatech.com Tue Jun 6 11:20:57 2000 From: pablo at zunigatech.com (Pablo Velasquez) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 06/01/2000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00060609244800.00766@pvelasquez> Greetings: The meeting was excellent (module rules! :). I learned a great deal. I've found the meetings to be a solid professional resource and would encourage people to attend when possible. -Pablo On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > Hey folks... > > I think I completely forgot to attend =( > I'm in danger of losing my "regular" status. > I promise to make the next one... how did the presentation go? Does Doug's > indexing engine suck or rule? =) > > -scott > > On Fri, 26 May 2000, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > > > For real this time... > > > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, June 1st at 7:00PM. > > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > > > I'll be presenting a simple indexing and search engine. Feedback is > > encouraged. > > > > -- > > For a list of the ways which technology has failed > > to improve our quality of life, press 3. > > -- From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Tue Jun 6 11:25:49 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 06/01/2000 Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDB5B@ws000135.vitalps.com> Although I didn't attend last weeks meeting, I would agree with Pablo, "I've found the meetings to be a solid professional resource and would encourage people to attend when possible." Well said Pablo. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Pablo Velasquez [mailto:pablo@zunigatech.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:21 AM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 06/01/2000 Greetings: The meeting was excellent (module rules! :). I learned a great deal. I've found the meetings to be a solid professional resource and would encourage people to attend when possible. -Pablo On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > Hey folks... > > I think I completely forgot to attend =( > I'm in danger of losing my "regular" status. > I promise to make the next one... how did the presentation go? Does Doug's > indexing engine suck or rule? =) > > -scott > > On Fri, 26 May 2000, Douglas E. Miles wrote: > > > For real this time... > > > > We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Thursday, June 1st at 7:00PM. > > It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, > > which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking > > lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the > > receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot > > that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. > > Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, > > which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. > > > > I'll be presenting a simple indexing and search engine. Feedback is > > encouraged. > > > > -- > > For a list of the ways which technology has failed > > to improve our quality of life, press 3. > > -- From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Wed Jun 7 09:40:08 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 06/01/2000 References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDB5B@ws000135.vitalps.com> Message-ID: <393E5EC8.273BB03@bpxinternet.com> Bryan Lane wrote: > > Although I didn't attend last weeks meeting, I would agree with Pablo, "I've > found the meetings to be a solid professional resource and would encourage > people to attend when possible." Well said Pablo. > > Bryan And I'd like to thank all the presenters, and all the attendees for making it so! -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jun 8 11:27:48 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: [Fwd: Re: Wanted: Perl Guru] (Local opportunity) Message-ID: <393FC984.B0D6EC36@bpxinternet.com> Forwarded from the PLUG list > > I hope I am not abusing the list with this post, but our company is > > looking for a perl programmer to modify some cybercash scripts. > > Probably wont take a decent perl programmer long at all to do our > > modifications. I am sorry if this post is offensive to the nature of > > PLUG-discuss, but I am just trying to get some cash in the pockets of > > the list members before my boss calls some company to do it. Contact > > me off the list if you feel qualified for the job. Again, if I have > > offended anyone by posting this on PLUG-discuss I apologize. Thanks. Reply to joel@silverw.com (Joel Dudley) From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jun 8 15:04:08 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages Message-ID: <393FFC38.151CBD58@bpxinternet.com> PDF - http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprtTR.pdf Postscript - http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprtTR.ps.gz From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Thu Jun 8 18:57:29 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDB6F@ws000135.vitalps.com> Very informative. It seemed to be an in depth study. I thought Java should be considered a scripting language. Perhaps I just don't know enough about Java. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:04 PM To: Phoenix.pm Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages PDF - http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprtTR.pdf Postscript - http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprtTR.ps.gz From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jun 8 19:12:03 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDB6F@ws000135.vitalps.com> Message-ID: <39403653.5B368364@bpxinternet.com> Bryan Lane wrote: > > Very informative. It seemed to be an in depth study. I thought Java should > be considered a scripting language. Perhaps I just don't know enough about > Java. I'm guessing since Java's bytecode form is written to disk, and then that is executed, instead of just one step, and since it is not a true system binary like C/C++, it was put into a separate category. Does anyone know if any of the other scripting languages are compiled into bytecode and then executed like perl, or do they use some other method? -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net Thu Jun 8 09:02:10 2000 From: root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages In-Reply-To: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDB6F@ws000135.vitalps.com> Message-ID: Bryan, It's a pretty fuzzy defination... haven't read the study yet... egcs gcc compiles Java bytecode or Java source to executeable machine code now, but Perl can be compiled into an exe which is just the Perl interpriter linked to the byte code. egcs gcc, if I understand correctly, completely foregoes the byte code in generating machine code... on the other hand, all attempts to compile very dynamic languages like bash and Scheme fail... by defination, every line must be expanded and reparsed every pass in bash, and everything is a mutable list in Scheme which can change over time, and usually does... Java in contrast is extremely static, and Perl is reasonably static =) I hope this notes finds everyone in good wealth. cheers! -scott On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Bryan Lane wrote: > Very informative. It seemed to be an in depth study. I thought Java should > be considered a scripting language. Perhaps I just don't know enough about > Java. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:04 PM > To: Phoenix.pm > Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages > > > PDF - http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprtTR.pdf > Postscript - http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprtTR.ps.gz > From edelsys at swlink.net Fri Jun 9 04:44:39 2000 From: edelsys at swlink.net (EdelSys Consulting) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: good article on perl (I found it via /. !) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/06/rosler.html Highlights: I think the lack of a firm, stable, well-defined foundation is the major inhibitor for the continuing commercial evolution of Perl. Perl is superior to Visual Basic in every way imaginable. . . . to me OO is a big yawner. =) From davewarner98 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 9 10:52:58 2000 From: davewarner98 at yahoo.com (Dave Warner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages Message-ID: <20000609155258.2621.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Python is also written to bytecode (.pyc) files and then executed. The bytecodes (like those of Java's) are architecture and os independent. If you are old (like me) you may remember UCSD Pascal (on the Apple II), which was one of the first pseudo-code compilers. Dave Warner --- Doug Miles wrote: > Bryan Lane wrote: > > > > Very informative. It seemed to be an in depth > study. I thought Java should > > be considered a scripting language. Perhaps I > just don't know enough about > > Java. > > I'm guessing since Java's bytecode form is written > to disk, and then > that is executed, instead of just one step, and > since it is not a true > system binary like C/C++, it was put into a separate > category. Does > anyone know if any of the other scripting languages > are compiled into > bytecode and then executed like perl, or do they use > some other method? > > -- > - Doug > > "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell > the > word you first thought of." > --Burt Bacharach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Fri Jun 9 11:06:32 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDB71@ws000135.vitalps.com> Thanks! I think I understand a little better where they are coming from. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Walters [mailto:root@nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:02 AM To: 'phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages Bryan, It's a pretty fuzzy defination... haven't read the study yet... egcs gcc compiles Java bytecode or Java source to executeable machine code now, but Perl can be compiled into an exe which is just the Perl interpriter linked to the byte code. egcs gcc, if I understand correctly, completely foregoes the byte code in generating machine code... on the other hand, all attempts to compile very dynamic languages like bash and Scheme fail... by defination, every line must be expanded and reparsed every pass in bash, and everything is a mutable list in Scheme which can change over time, and usually does... Java in contrast is extremely static, and Perl is reasonably static =) I hope this notes finds everyone in good wealth. cheers! -scott On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Bryan Lane wrote: > Very informative. It seemed to be an in depth study. I thought Java should > be considered a scripting language. Perhaps I just don't know enough about > Java. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:04 PM > To: Phoenix.pm > Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages > > > PDF - http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprtTR.pdf > Postscript - http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~prechelt/Biblio/jccpprtTR.ps.gz > From rna at testpt.com Fri Jun 9 11:19:03 2000 From: rna at testpt.com (Robert Ambrose) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Help w/ module In-Reply-To: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDB71@ws000135.vitalps.com> Message-ID: I'm trying to install the MIME-tools package. It needs IO:::Stringy 1.211 to install. Does anyone know where IO:::Stringy 1.211 lives? TIA, rna From root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net Thu Jun 8 23:27:05 2000 From: root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages In-Reply-To: <20000609155258.2621.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dave, BCPL had an "ocode" layer as well - same thing as Pascal P-code or Java's byte code... ahhh, BCPL. Now that was a language. -scott On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Dave Warner wrote: > Python is also written to bytecode (.pyc) files and > then executed. The bytecodes (like those of Java's) > are architecture and os independent. If you are old > (like me) you may remember UCSD Pascal (on the Apple > II), which was one of the first pseudo-code compilers. > > > Dave Warner > > > > --- Doug Miles wrote: > > Bryan Lane wrote: > > > > > > Very informative. It seemed to be an in depth > > study. I thought Java should > > > be considered a scripting language. Perhaps I > > just don't know enough about > > > Java. > > > > I'm guessing since Java's bytecode form is written > > to disk, and then > > that is executed, instead of just one step, and > > since it is not a true > > system binary like C/C++, it was put into a separate > > category. Does > > anyone know if any of the other scripting languages > > are compiled into > > bytecode and then executed like perl, or do they use > > some other method? > > > > -- > > - Doug > > > > "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell > > the > > word you first thought of." > > --Burt Bacharach > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > From sinck at corp.quepasa.com Fri Jun 9 11:27:11 2000 From: sinck at corp.quepasa.com (sinck@corp.quepasa.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Help w/ module References: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDB71@ws000135.vitalps.com> Message-ID: <14657.6879.675573.852390@charybdis.corp.quepasa.com> \_ I'm trying to install the MIME-tools package. It needs IO:::Stringy 1.211 \_ to install. Does anyone know where IO:::Stringy 1.211 lives? Have you checked CPAN? Or try: perl -MCPAN -e shell at the prompt. David From davewarner98 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 9 11:36:43 2000 From: davewarner98 at yahoo.com (Dave Warner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages Message-ID: <20000609163643.13099.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Scott, I've still got my copy of BCPL on Hollerith cards. Dave --- Scott Walters wrote: > > Dave, > > BCPL had an "ocode" layer as well - same thing as > Pascal P-code or Java's > byte code... ahhh, BCPL. Now that was a language. > > -scott > > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Dave Warner wrote: > > > Python is also written to bytecode (.pyc) files > and > > then executed. The bytecodes (like those of > Java's) > > are architecture and os independent. If you are > old > > (like me) you may remember UCSD Pascal (on the > Apple > > II), which was one of the first pseudo-code > compilers. > > > > > > Dave Warner > > > > > > > > --- Doug Miles wrote: > > > Bryan Lane wrote: > > > > > > > > Very informative. It seemed to be an in depth > > > study. I thought Java should > > > > be considered a scripting language. Perhaps I > > > just don't know enough about > > > > Java. > > > > > > I'm guessing since Java's bytecode form is > written > > > to disk, and then > > > that is executed, instead of just one step, and > > > since it is not a true > > > system binary like C/C++, it was put into a > separate > > > category. Does > > > anyone know if any of the other scripting > languages > > > are compiled into > > > bytecode and then executed like perl, or do they > use > > > some other method? > > > > > > -- > > > - Doug > > > > > > "A synonym is a word you use when you can't > spell > > > the > > > word you first thought of." > > > --Burt Bacharach > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > > http://photos.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net Fri Jun 9 00:35:17 2000 From: root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Interesting paper comparing programming languages In-Reply-To: <20000609163643.13099.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Awesome!! Bring them for show and tell at the next Perl meeting... I gotta see that... -scott On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Dave Warner wrote: > Scott, > > I've still got my copy of BCPL on Hollerith cards. > > > Dave > > --- Scott Walters > wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > BCPL had an "ocode" layer as well - same thing as > > Pascal P-code or Java's > > byte code... ahhh, BCPL. Now that was a language. > > > > -scott > > > > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Dave Warner wrote: > > > > > Python is also written to bytecode (.pyc) files > > and > > > then executed. The bytecodes (like those of > > Java's) > > > are architecture and os independent. If you are > > old > > > (like me) you may remember UCSD Pascal (on the > > Apple > > > II), which was one of the first pseudo-code > > compilers. > > > > > > > > > Dave Warner > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Miles wrote: > > > > Bryan Lane wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Very informative. It seemed to be an in depth > > > > study. I thought Java should > > > > > be considered a scripting language. Perhaps I > > > > just don't know enough about > > > > > Java. > > > > > > > > I'm guessing since Java's bytecode form is > > written > > > > to disk, and then > > > > that is executed, instead of just one step, and > > > > since it is not a true > > > > system binary like C/C++, it was put into a > > separate > > > > category. Does > > > > anyone know if any of the other scripting > > languages > > > > are compiled into > > > > bytecode and then executed like perl, or do they > > use > > > > some other method? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > - Doug > > > > > > > > "A synonym is a word you use when you can't > > spell > > > > the > > > > word you first thought of." > > > > --Burt Bacharach > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > > > http://photos.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > From chaosppp at corp.earthlink.net Fri Jun 9 12:57:30 2000 From: chaosppp at corp.earthlink.net (Phil Hartfield) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Help w/ module In-Reply-To: <14657.6879.675573.852390@charybdis.corp.quepasa.com> from "sinck@corp.quepasa.com" at Jun 09, 2000 09:27:11 AM Message-ID: <200006091757.KAA20409@asylum.phx3.mindspring.net> 1.212 was out Jun 2nd Phil Hartfield chaosppp@corp.earthlink.net sinck@corp.quepasa.com wrote: > > > > > \_ I'm trying to install the MIME-tools package. It needs IO:::Stringy 1.211 > \_ to install. Does anyone know where IO:::Stringy 1.211 lives? > > Have you checked CPAN? > > Or try: > > perl -MCPAN -e shell > > at the prompt. > > David > From chaosppp at corp.earthlink.net Fri Jun 9 13:10:05 2000 From: chaosppp at corp.earthlink.net (Phil Hartfield) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Help w/ module In-Reply-To: <200006091757.KAA20409@asylum.phx3.mindspring.net> from "Phil Hartfield" at Jun 09, 2000 10:57:30 AM Message-ID: <200006091810.LAA22400@asylum.phx3.mindspring.net> Hmmm i would be on 1.213 soon: Manifying blib/man3/IO::InnerFile.3 /usr/bin/pod2man: lib/IO/InnerFile.pm is missing required section: SYNOPSIS Manifying blib/man3/IO::WrapTie.3 Phil Phil Hartfield wrote: > > 1.212 was out Jun 2nd > > Phil Hartfield > chaosppp@corp.earthlink.net > > sinck@corp.quepasa.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > \_ I'm trying to install the MIME-tools package. It needs IO:::Stringy 1.211 > > \_ to install. Does anyone know where IO:::Stringy 1.211 lives? > > > > Have you checked CPAN? > > > > Or try: > > > > perl -MCPAN -e shell > > > > at the prompt. > > > > David > > > From ammon at ucglink.net Fri Jun 9 15:15:22 2000 From: ammon at ucglink.net (Ammon Cooke) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> I'm trying to write an upload script that doesn't have a lot of features it just uploads to a set directory, & sends an e-mail notifying me that someone uploaded something. I found a script that did this & I've made a few modifications to the script, but now when it should upload it throws a 500 error the error log says: Malformed multipart POST httpd.apache: [Fri Jun 9 14:07:02 2000] [error] [client 172.16.1.55] Premature end of script headers: /home/httpd/cgi-bin/phoneup-test.cgi I was just wondering if some one could possibly point me to what area of the script might throw this error. Thanks, & if I have posted this to the wrong group just tell me & I will Go else where to post. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/phoenix-pm/attachments/20000609/5870d516/attachment.htm From sinck at corp.quepasa.com Fri Jun 9 15:22:38 2000 From: sinck at corp.quepasa.com (sinck@corp.quepasa.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! References: <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> Message-ID: <14657.21006.571728.318711@charybdis.corp.quepasa.com> \_ I'm trying to write an upload script that doesn't have a lot of features it \_ just uploads to a set directory, & sends an e-mail notifying me that \_ someone uploaded something. I found a script that did this & I've made a \_ few modifications to the script, but now when it should upload it throws a \_ 500 error the error log says: \_ \_ Malformed multipart POST \_ httpd.apache: [Fri Jun 9 14:07:02 2000] [error] [client 172.16.1.55] \_ Premature end of script headers: /home/httpd/cgi-bin/phoneup-test.cgi \_ \_ I was just wondering if some one could possibly point me to what area of \_ the script might throw this error. 1) man rcs/cvs/... 2) use version control religously 3) diff my-broken-script.cgi my-virgin-source.cgi 4) perl -cw my-broken-script.cgi 5) perl my-broken-script.cgi Proceed down the list until you get something that looks like an issue. David From ammon at ucglink.net Fri Jun 9 15:52:27 2000 From: ammon at ucglink.net (Ammon Cooke) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: <14657.21006.571728.318711@charybdis.corp.quepasa.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609144510.00bc85a0@mail.ucglink.net> I'm new to this group, & relatively new to programing, would you please be more clear? ><1) man rcs/cvs/...> What does this mean? >2) use version control religously I have been careful to do this. >3) diff my-broken-script.cgi my-virgin-source.cgi diff? >4) perl -cw my-broken-script.cgi -cw? >5) perl my-broken-script.cgi > >Proceed down the list until you get something that looks like an >issue. > >David From sinck at corp.quepasa.com Fri Jun 9 16:00:50 2000 From: sinck at corp.quepasa.com (sinck@corp.quepasa.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! References: <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609144510.00bc85a0@mail.ucglink.net> Message-ID: <14657.23298.432457.263015@charybdis.corp.quepasa.com> \_ I'm new to this group, & relatively new to programing, would you please be \_ more clear? \_ \_ ><1) man rcs/cvs/...> \_ What does this mean? Type 'man rcs' or 'man cvs' at the prompt. It'll cough manual pages on you. \_ >2) use version control religously \_ I have been careful to do this. That's good to know. \_ >3) diff my-broken-script.cgi my-virgin-source.cgi \_ \_ diff? ... reports differences between two files. Presumably if it worked and then you did something to break it, it'll show up when compared against the virgin code. \_ >4) perl -cw my-broken-script.cgi \_ -cw? Check for syntax errors and throw warnings. man perlrun \_ \_ >5) perl my-broken-script.cgi If you're not firing the script up on a unix box (I assumed so b/c of the apache error), you'll need to do the local variant mambo of what I said. YMMV. David From chaosppp at corp.earthlink.net Fri Jun 9 16:09:31 2000 From: chaosppp at corp.earthlink.net (Phil Hartfield) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609144510.00bc85a0@mail.ucglink.net> from "Ammon Cooke" at Jun 09, 2000 02:52:27 PM Message-ID: <200006092109.OAA16428@asylum.phx3.mindspring.net> Ammon Cooke wrote: > > I'm new to this group, & relatively new to programing, would you please be > more clear? > > ><1) man rcs/cvs/...> > What does this mean? co -l file; vi file ; echo $your_reason_for_change | ci -u file or cvs co file; vi file ; cvs commit > >2) use version control religously > I have been careful to do this. Thats >1) above > >3) diff my-broken-script.cgi my-virgin-source.cgi > > diff? man diff NAME diff - find differences between two files SYNOPSIS diff [options] from-file to-file DESCRIPTION In the simplest case, diff compares the contents of the two files from-file and to-file. A file name of - stands for text read from the standard input. As a special case, diff - - compares a copy of standard input to itself. > >4) perl -cw my-broken-script.cgi > -cw? from man perl: -c causes Perl to check the syntax of the script and then exit without executing it. Actually, it will execute BEGIN, END, and use blocks, because these are considered as occurring outside the execution of your program. Very important to do perl -c perl.file before sticking something in production. You do that about once... (the 2-3 hour cleanup is a lesson in and of itself) -w prints warnings about variable names that are mentioned only once, and scalar variables that are used before being set. Also warns about redefined subroutines, and references to undefined filehandles or filehandles opened read-only that you are attempting to write on. Also warns you if you use values as a number that doesn't look like numbers, using an array as though it were a scalar, if your subroutines recurse more than 100 deep, and innumerable other things. I prefer to use #!/usr/bin/perl -w for the -w part :) Phil > >5) perl my-broken-script.cgi > > > >Proceed down the list until you get something that looks like an > >issue. > > > >David > From kev at primenet.com Fri Jun 9 16:12:00 2000 From: kev at primenet.com (Kevin Buettner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: Ammon Cooke "Re: Phoenix.pm: help!" (Jun 9, 2:52pm) References: <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609144510.00bc85a0@mail.ucglink.net> Message-ID: <1000609211200.ZM15997@saguaro.lan> On Jun 9, 2:52pm, Ammon Cooke wrote: > ><1) man rcs/cvs/...> > What does this mean? Look at the man pages for rcs, cvs, etc. I.e, consult the documentation for one of these version control utilities. > >2) use version control religously > I have been careful to do this. Good. What are you using? > >3) diff my-broken-script.cgi my-virgin-source.cgi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Interchange these arguments. (You still get useful output even as is, but if you ever need to make a patch for someone, you'd better get used to putting the "old" file first. > > diff? Do a "man diff" for more info. But, in a nutshell, the diff program shows you the list of differences between two versions of a file or two directories with the same files. You will probably want to use one or more option flags with diff because by default, it produces output suitable for feeding into ed. I recommend "diff -up" for most purposes, but occassionally "diff --side-by-side" is useful too. (But do look at the documentation for diff. If you're not familiar with it already, you should be. It is an incredibly useful tool.) > >4) perl -cw my-broken-script.cgi > -cw? -c is check -w is warn From chaosppp at corp.earthlink.net Fri Jun 9 16:14:19 2000 From: chaosppp at corp.earthlink.net (Phil Hartfield) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> from "Ammon Cooke" at Jun 09, 2000 02:15:22 PM Message-ID: <200006092114.OAA17139@asylum.phx3.mindspring.net> Ammon Cooke wrote: > > --=====================_334039843==_.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I'm trying to write an upload script that doesn't have a lot of features it > just uploads to a set directory, & sends an e-mail notifying me that > someone uploaded something. I found a script that did this & I've made a > few modifications to the script, but now when it should upload it throws a > 500 error the error log says: > > Malformed multipart POST > httpd.apache: [Fri Jun 9 14:07:02 2000] [error] [client 172.16.1.55] > Premature end of script headers: /home/httpd/cgi-bin/phoneup-test.cgi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Almost always a compile-time error. I mean, if it doesn't compile, it can't output correct HTTP headers eh? Phil Disclaimer: Compile in this sense being the creation of the perl interpreters internal byte-code versus the production of an actual standalone executable. > I was just wondering if some one could possibly point me to what area of > the script might throw this error. > > Thanks, & if I have posted this to the wrong group just tell me & I will Go > else where to post. > > --=====================_334039843==_.ALT > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > I'm trying to write an upload script that doesn't have a lot of features > it just uploads to a set directory, & sends an e-mail notifying me > that someone uploaded something. I found a script that did this & > I've made a few modifications to the script, but now when it should > upload it throws a 500 error the error log says:
>
> Malformed multipart POST
> httpd.apache: [Fri Jun  9 14:07:02 2000] [error] [client > 172.16.1.55] Premature end of script headers: > /home/httpd/cgi-bin/phoneup-test.cgi
>
> I was just wondering if some one could possibly point me to what area of > the script might throw this error.
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> Thanks, & if I have posted this to the wrong group just tell me & > I will Go else where to post.
>          > > --=====================_334039843==_.ALT-- > From edelsys at swlink.net Fri Jun 9 16:31:09 2000 From: edelsys at swlink.net (EdelSys Consulting) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000609143109.0097d100@swlink.net> At 02:15 PM 6/9/00 -0600, you wrote: >&& I've made a few modifications to the script, but now when it should >upload it throws a 500 error the error log says: > > Malformed multipart POST > 9 14:07:02 2000] [error] [client 172.16.1.55] Premature end of script >headers: /home/httpd/cgi-bin/phoneup-test.cgi > > I was just wondering if some one could possibly point me to what area of >the script might throw this error. > >&& I will Go else where to post. > Look atchyer web server error logs. Also, you can just start removing your modifications until the script starts working again. Tony From ammon at ucglink.net Fri Jun 9 19:00:19 2000 From: ammon at ucglink.net (Ammon Cooke) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: <14657.23298.432457.263015@charybdis.corp.quepasa.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609144510.00bc85a0@mail.ucglink.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609173421.00ba6510@mail.ucglink.net> Type 'man rcs' or 'man cvs' at the prompt. It'll cough manual pages on you. One problem: I don't get a prompt. I am on a WinNT network using SAMBA to access our Linux webserver. >\_ >2) use version control religously >\_ I have been careful to do this. >That's good to know. > > >\_ >3) diff my-broken-script.cgi my-virgin-source.cgi >\_ >\_ diff? > >... reports differences between two files. Presumably if it worked >and then you did something to break it, it'll show up when compared >against the virgin code. > >\_ >4) perl -cw my-broken-script.cgi >\_ -cw? > >Check for syntax errors and throw warnings. > >man perlrun > >\_ >\_ >5) perl my-broken-script.cgi > >If you're not firing the script up on a unix box (I assumed so b/c of >the apache error), you'll need to do the local variant mambo of what I >said. > >YMMV. > >David From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Sat Jun 10 16:15:37 2000 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609173421.00ba6510@mail.ucglink.net> References: <14657.23298.432457.263015@charybdis.corp.quepasa.com> <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609144510.00bc85a0@mail.ucglink.net> Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000610140727.02bdd700@mail.earthlink.net> This is a program that I have used when desperate, and without shell access: #!/usr/bin/perl my $output = `/usr/bin/perl -cw /export/clients/development/hit_stats/log_hit.cgi 2>&1`; my $output =~ s/\n/
\n/g; print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; print "cgi_debug output \n"; print "

$Output

"; Put this program in a cgi directory. I wouldn't recommend leaving this running after you're done with it, as it might be a security risk. Just change the paths to point to where your perl is located, and change the part after the '-cw' to point to the program you want to debug. Then point your browser to this program, and it will run perl -cw on the program and display the output to the browser. Good luck! At 06:00 PM 6/9/00 -0600, you wrote: >Type 'man rcs' or 'man cvs' at the prompt. It'll cough manual pages >on you. > >One problem: I don't get a prompt. I am on a WinNT network using SAMBA to >access our Linux webserver. > >>\_ >2) use version control religously >>\_ I have been careful to do this. >>That's good to know. >> >> >>\_ >3) diff my-broken-script.cgi my-virgin-source.cgi >>\_ >>\_ diff? >> >>... reports differences between two files. Presumably if it worked >>and then you did something to break it, it'll show up when compared >>against the virgin code. >> >>\_ >4) perl -cw my-broken-script.cgi >>\_ -cw? >> >>Check for syntax errors and throw warnings. >> >>man perlrun >> >>\_ >>\_ >5) perl my-broken-script.cgi >> >>If you're not firing the script up on a unix box (I assumed so b/c of >>the apache error), you'll need to do the local variant mambo of what I >>said. >> >>YMMV. >> >>David > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Tue Jun 13 13:42:17 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Meeting 06/20/2000 Message-ID: <39468089.492315B4@bpxinternet.com> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, June 20th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. The illustrious Scott Walters will be presenting on lambdas and constraint systems. If you don't know what they are, come and find out. :) -- For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3. From ammon at ucglink.net Wed Jun 14 16:21:36 2000 From: ammon at ucglink.net (Ammon Cooke) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: help! In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000610140727.02bdd700@mail.earthlink.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609173421.00ba6510@mail.ucglink.net> <14657.23298.432457.263015@charybdis.corp.quepasa.com> <3.0.6.32.20000609024439.009c8a80@swlink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609140717.00bc4be0@mail.ucglink.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000609144510.00bc85a0@mail.ucglink.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000614152004.00bc9a60@mail.ucglink.net> Sorry for the delay, I took a vacation & went to Bryce Canyon National Park. Thank you all for your help, I think I have figured out what I need to. From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Jun 19 13:29:18 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Reminder: Meeting 06/20/2000 Message-ID: <394E667E.289DB151@bpxinternet.com> We'll be having a Phoenix.pm meeting Tuesday, June 20th at 7:00PM. It will be held at Bowne, which is located at 1500 N. Central Avenue, which is on the Southwest corner of Central and McDowell. The parking lot is gated, so just press the button on the intercom, and tell the receptionist that you are there for the Perl meeting. Park in the lot that is straight ahead from the entrance on the South side of McDowell. Park in any uncovered, non-reserved space. Proceed to the main lobby, which is on the Northeast side of the parking lot. The illustrious Scott Walters will be presenting on lambdas and constraint systems. If you don't know what they are, come and find out. :) -- For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3. From djmilesfamily at earthlink.net Wed Jun 21 00:16:37 2000 From: djmilesfamily at earthlink.net (Doug and Julie Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: O'Reilly Offering Discount to Convention Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000620221620.0283c870@mail.earthlink.net> >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:36:32 -0700 (PDT) >From: Denise Olliffe >To: djmilesfamily@earthlink.net >Subject: O'Reilly Offering Discount to Convention > >I have some great news to pass on to your group... > >The Early Bird discount for the O'Reilly Open Source Convention and >Perl Conference 4.0 officially ended as of June 19th. As a special >promo offer to UGs, O'Reilly will continue extending the Early Bird >Pricing to O'Reilly UG members only. > >This savings applies to both the Tutorials and Conference Sessions. >Conference Sessions price--$795 ($895 regular price). Tutorial pricing >depends on number taken-- learn more, save more. > >To receive this discount - use the special promotion code: 1010. There >is a field on the registration form that will ask for this code. > >Please pass this special savings info onto your members! > >For registration, pricing, or general information about the O'Reilly >Open Source Convention, go to: >http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon2000/ > >Hope to see you there! >--Denise > > > From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Wed Jun 21 11:24:02 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: O'Reilly Offering Discount to Convention Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDBC7@tef00021.vitalps.com> I'm about $790.00 too light:) -----Original Message----- From: Doug and Julie Miles [mailto:djmilesfamily@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:17 PM To: phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Phoenix.pm: Fwd: O'Reilly Offering Discount to Convention >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:36:32 -0700 (PDT) >From: Denise Olliffe >To: djmilesfamily@earthlink.net >Subject: O'Reilly Offering Discount to Convention > >I have some great news to pass on to your group... > >The Early Bird discount for the O'Reilly Open Source Convention and >Perl Conference 4.0 officially ended as of June 19th. As a special >promo offer to UGs, O'Reilly will continue extending the Early Bird >Pricing to O'Reilly UG members only. > >This savings applies to both the Tutorials and Conference Sessions. >Conference Sessions price--$795 ($895 regular price). Tutorial pricing >depends on number taken-- learn more, save more. > >To receive this discount - use the special promotion code: 1010. There >is a field on the registration form that will ask for this code. > >Please pass this special savings info onto your members! > >For registration, pricing, or general information about the O'Reilly >Open Source Convention, go to: >http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon2000/ > >Hope to see you there! >--Denise > > > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Wed Jun 21 17:07:57 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: OT: Python Job Message-ID: <39513CBD.D7A4EC5E@bpxinternet.com> Anyone out there a Python programmer? If you are and are looking for a job, let me know. We had a head-hunter call here looking for someone. -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From edelsys at swlink.net Wed Jun 21 17:26:11 2000 From: edelsys at swlink.net (EdelSys Consulting) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: OT: Python Job In-Reply-To: <39513CBD.D7A4EC5E@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000621152611.007cd4e0@swlink.net> At 03:07 PM 6/21/00 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone out there a Python programmer? If you are and are looking for a >job, let me know. We had a head-hunter call here looking for someone. > >-- >- Doug > >"A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the >word you first thought of." >--Burt Bacharach > I can't stand headhunters. They are vermin. -- -- Anthony R. Nemmer -- EdelSys Consulting -- edelsys@edelsys.com -- (480) 968-6438 -- P.O. Box 1883, Tempe, Arizona 85280-1883 -- From root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net Wed Jun 21 05:20:50 2000 From: root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: OT: Python Job In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000621152611.007cd4e0@swlink.net> Message-ID: Hmm. Perhaps we should encourage companies to view the listins on perl.org, or any of the job sites on the web directly, rather then pay a headhunter to do exactly the same for them. How do we get the message out? I would love to see their scam fall as well... -scott On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, EdelSys Consulting wrote: > At 03:07 PM 6/21/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Anyone out there a Python programmer? If you are and are looking for a > >job, let me know. We had a head-hunter call here looking for someone. > > > >-- > >- Doug > > > >"A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the > >word you first thought of." > >--Burt Bacharach > > > > I can't stand headhunters. They are vermin. > > > -- > -- Anthony R. Nemmer -- EdelSys Consulting -- edelsys@edelsys.com > -- (480) 968-6438 -- P.O. Box 1883, Tempe, Arizona 85280-1883 > -- > > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Wed Jun 21 17:25:46 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: OT: Python Job References: Message-ID: <395140EA.51699CC4@bpxinternet.com> He, he! This is great, I was expecting to get flamed about Python... Scott Walters wrote: > > Hmm. > Perhaps we should encourage companies to view the listins on perl.org, or > any of the job sites on the web directly, rather then pay a headhunter to > do exactly the same for them. How do we get the message out? I would love > to see their scam fall as well... > > -scott > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, EdelSys Consulting wrote: > > > At 03:07 PM 6/21/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >Anyone out there a Python programmer? If you are and are looking for a > > >job, let me know. We had a head-hunter call here looking for someone. > > > > > >-- > > >- Doug > > > > > >"A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the > > >word you first thought of." > > >--Burt Bacharach > > > > > > > I can't stand headhunters. They are vermin. > > > > > > -- > > -- Anthony R. Nemmer -- EdelSys Consulting -- edelsys@edelsys.com > > -- (480) 968-6438 -- P.O. Box 1883, Tempe, Arizona 85280-1883 > > -- > > > > -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net Wed Jun 21 05:36:48 2000 From: root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: OT: Python Job In-Reply-To: <395140EA.51699CC4@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: Oh, so you admit, you were TRYING to get flamed! On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > He, he! This is great, I was expecting to get flamed about Python... > > Scott Walters wrote: > > > > Hmm. > > Perhaps we should encourage companies to view the listins on perl.org, or > > any of the job sites on the web directly, rather then pay a headhunter to > > do exactly the same for them. How do we get the message out? I would love > > to see their scam fall as well... > > > > -scott > > > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, EdelSys Consulting wrote: > > > > > At 03:07 PM 6/21/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Anyone out there a Python programmer? If you are and are looking for a > > > >job, let me know. We had a head-hunter call here looking for someone. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >- Doug > > > > > > > >"A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the > > > >word you first thought of." > > > >--Burt Bacharach > > > > > > > > > > I can't stand headhunters. They are vermin. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Anthony R. Nemmer -- EdelSys Consulting -- edelsys@edelsys.com > > > -- (480) 968-6438 -- P.O. Box 1883, Tempe, Arizona 85280-1883 > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > - Doug > > "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the > word you first thought of." > --Burt Bacharach > From davewarner98 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 21 18:02:14 2000 From: davewarner98 at yahoo.com (Dave Warner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:11 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: OT: Python Job Message-ID: <20000621230214.15131.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Doug, I'm not looking for a job right now, but I couldn't pass this opportunity by. Take a look at: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/python/2000/06/21/webclient.html Are you going to the Perl Conference? If so, hopefully I'll see you there. I'm moving to the Sedona area next Friday - been busy getting ready for the move and rolling out a major enhancement to my day-job app. Miss the meetings. Dave Warner --- Doug Miles wrote: > Anyone out there a Python programmer? If you are > and are looking for a > job, let me know. We had a head-hunter call here > looking for someone. > > -- > - Doug > > "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell > the > word you first thought of." > --Burt Bacharach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Beaves at aol.com Thu Jun 22 02:27:13 2000 From: Beaves at aol.com (Beaves@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Decisions, decisions Message-ID: <75.5cdeec0.268319d1@aol.com> Hello, yous'all (Jersey boy visits Texas) OK, I'm looking for some input. I am wondering the best way to set up a certain MySQL table column (or columns). In my Internet Contact Manager, each group record currently has about 10 integer columns that indicate various customized priviledege levels for certain funtions (such as search, email, invite, postmessage, etc). Theses privililedge levels will not usually be searched, but will of course be called up each time that group is accessed. In general database terms, what are the pros and cons of: 1)Keeping the current modus apparandi (most certainly mispelled...) versus 2)Changing the priviledges to a single column of a (currently) 10 digit int or char, and parsing the privilidges each time the group is accessed. Just wondering. To make this a legitimate Perl Post, I'll add an intersting tidbit from Damian Conway's book "Object Oriented Perl". I always wondered exactly how a method was searched for before finally giving up. My concern was usually centered around where a given package's AUTOLOAD routine fit in to the heirarchy. The term for this procedure, as I came to find out, is called 'dispatching' a method. If $obj->method() is called: 1: Look in the objects class for sub 'method' (simple enough) 2: ELSE, Search @ISA, stepping through each parent class, depth first, left to right. 3: ELSE, Look in UNIVERAL for the sub 'method.' 4: ELSE, do steps 1,2,3, but now look for the sub 'AUTOLOAD'. 5: Give up and throw and exception. ("Can't locate object method "method" via package "Class") If this piques your curiosity, you might want to grab the latest TPJ. Conway has a neat article about Multiple Dispatching and Dispatch Tables, which can be used to 'improve' the dispatching of methods to suit your needs. Lastly, I just finished 'objectizing' the code that my ICM message board uses. I used a lot of the techniques from Conway's book. It might make for topic of interest to some of you on some hot muggy Tuesday night, and I'd be glad to stumble through my design (or plagiarism) steps. I am curious to see how others approach the initial design phase of programming. OK, Yous'all can go now... Tim shameless ICM plug: http://www.azwebs.com/cgi-local/icm/icm.cgi 100% perl generated, and MySQL used exclusively From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jun 22 13:04:51 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: OT: Python Job References: Message-ID: <39525543.BF0E3B9C@bpxinternet.com> Just trying to see if you guys are awake. :) Scott Walters wrote: > > Oh, so you admit, you were TRYING to get flamed! > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > > > He, he! This is great, I was expecting to get flamed about Python... > > > > Scott Walters wrote: > > > > > > Hmm. > > > Perhaps we should encourage companies to view the listins on perl.org, or > > > any of the job sites on the web directly, rather then pay a headhunter to > > > do exactly the same for them. How do we get the message out? I would love > > > to see their scam fall as well... > > > > > > -scott > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, EdelSys Consulting wrote: > > > > > > > At 03:07 PM 6/21/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Anyone out there a Python programmer? If you are and are looking for a > > > > >job, let me know. We had a head-hunter call here looking for someone. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >- Doug > > > > > > > > > >"A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the > > > > >word you first thought of." > > > > >--Burt Bacharach > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't stand headhunters. They are vermin. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- Anthony R. Nemmer -- EdelSys Consulting -- edelsys@edelsys.com > > > > -- (480) 968-6438 -- P.O. Box 1883, Tempe, Arizona 85280-1883 > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > - Doug > > > > "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the > > word you first thought of." > > --Burt Bacharach > > -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jun 22 13:07:40 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: OT: Python Job References: <20000621230214.15131.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <395255EC.9D5B7B7B@bpxinternet.com> Dave Warner wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > I'm not looking for a job right now, but I > couldn't pass this opportunity by. Take a look at: > > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/python/2000/06/21/webclient.html > > Are you going to the Perl Conference? If so, > hopefully I'll see you there. I'm moving to the > Sedona area next Friday - been busy getting ready for > the move and rolling out a major enhancement to my > day-job app. Miss the meetings. No, not this year. My vacation conflicts. :( Maybe next year. Does this mean we're going to have a Sedona.pm? :) -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jun 22 13:09:50 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Decisions, decisions References: <75.5cdeec0.268319d1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3952566E.1595D092@bpxinternet.com> Deal! When do you want to present? Beaves@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, yous'all (Jersey boy visits Texas) > > OK, I'm looking for some input. I am wondering the best way to set up a > certain MySQL table column (or columns). > > In my Internet Contact Manager, each group record currently has about 10 > integer columns that indicate various customized priviledege levels for > certain funtions (such as search, email, invite, postmessage, etc). Theses > privililedge levels will not usually be searched, but will of course be > called up each time that group is accessed. > > In general database terms, what are the pros and cons of: > 1)Keeping the current modus apparandi (most certainly mispelled...) > > versus > > 2)Changing the priviledges to a single column of a (currently) 10 digit int > or char, and parsing the privilidges each time the group is accessed. > > Just wondering. > > To make this a legitimate Perl Post, I'll add an intersting tidbit from > Damian Conway's book "Object Oriented Perl". I always wondered exactly how a > method was searched for before finally giving up. My concern was usually > centered around where a given package's AUTOLOAD routine fit in to the > heirarchy. The term for this procedure, as I came to find out, is called > 'dispatching' a method. > > If $obj->method() is called: > 1: Look in the objects class for sub 'method' (simple enough) > 2: ELSE, Search @ISA, stepping through each parent class, depth first, left > to right. > 3: ELSE, Look in UNIVERAL for the sub 'method.' > 4: ELSE, do steps 1,2,3, but now look for the sub 'AUTOLOAD'. > 5: Give up and throw and exception. ("Can't locate object method "method" > via package "Class") > > If this piques your curiosity, you might want to grab the latest TPJ. Conway > has a neat article about Multiple Dispatching and Dispatch Tables, which can > be used to 'improve' the dispatching of methods to suit your needs. > > Lastly, I just finished 'objectizing' the code that my ICM message board > uses. I used a lot of the techniques from Conway's book. It might make for > topic of interest to some of you on some hot muggy Tuesday night, and I'd be > glad to stumble through my design (or plagiarism) steps. I am curious to see > how others approach the initial design phase of programming. > > OK, Yous'all can go now... > > Tim > > shameless ICM plug: > http://www.azwebs.com/cgi-local/icm/icm.cgi > 100% perl generated, and MySQL used exclusively -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jun 22 13:30:50 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101 Message-ID: <39525B5A.4A406EF7@bpxinternet.com> Any interest in me presenting Perl 101 again? If so, speak now. Also, I had a request for a next level presentation. Any interest in that? Insert feedback here... :) -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From bywise at excite.com Thu Jun 22 13:48:33 2000 From: bywise at excite.com (byron wise) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101 Message-ID: <4816517.961699713881.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Just wondering what kind of topics are covered with your PERL 101? Best regards, Byron Wise Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -=[Yoda]=- _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From jforsmo at home.com Thu Jun 22 14:21:23 2000 From: jforsmo at home.com (James Forsmo) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101 In-Reply-To: <39525B5A.4A406EF7@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: I'd like to attend a Perl 101. I've been trying to learn on my own and I'm sure I could benefit from something like that. James Forsmo From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Thu Jun 22 14:20:09 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101 References: <4816517.961699713881.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com> Message-ID: <395266E9.D307CCD4@bpxinternet.com> Go to the web site (Thanks Tim!) at: phoenix.pm.org and click on perl 101 to see my outline. byron wise wrote: > > Just wondering what kind of topics are covered with your PERL 101? > Best regards, > Byron Wise > Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to > hate, hate leads to suffering. > -=[Yoda]=- > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Thu Jun 22 14:54:54 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101 Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDBE9@tef00021.vitalps.com> I would like to have a Perl 102 presentation, but I wouldn't mind sitting through a 101 refresher. -----Original Message----- From: doug.miles@bpxinternet.com [mailto:doug.miles@bpxinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 11:31 AM To: Phoenix.pm Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101 Any interest in me presenting Perl 101 again? If so, speak now. Also, I had a request for a next level presentation. Any interest in that? Insert feedback here... :) -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From coyotl at primenet.com Thu Jun 22 23:07:56 2000 From: coyotl at primenet.com (Glen G. Walker) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101 In-Reply-To: <39525B5A.4A406EF7@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > Any interest in me presenting Perl 101 again? If so, speak now. Also, > I had a request for a next level presentation. Any interest in that? Yes and Yes. Even I would show up for that! (That's right, I would ditch fencing!!) From jforsmo at home.com Fri Jun 23 09:05:35 2000 From: jforsmo at home.com (James Forsmo) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101, 102 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perl 102 would interest me as well (after Perl 101, of course). -- James Forsmo From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Fri Jun 23 13:12:01 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl 101 References: Message-ID: <3953A871.5EF43322@bpxinternet.com> Glen! Dude! I was beginning to think you'd been run through at fencing practice. We do have one meeting on Thursday nights now, so maybe you won't have to ditch. :) "Glen G. Walker" wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > > > Any interest in me presenting Perl 101 again? If so, speak now. Also, > > I had a request for a next level presentation. Any interest in that? > > Yes and Yes. Even I would show up for that! (That's right, I would ditch > fencing!!) -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Jun 26 11:00:59 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article Message-ID: <39577E3B.24D2D943@bpxinternet.com> Pretty good UCITA Article for the non-technical person. Does anyone know when this is comming to Arizona? I don't know about you, but I want to fight this... http://laweekly.com/ink/00/22/cyber-gunn.shtml _______________________________________________ Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From jforsmo at home.com Mon Jun 26 12:25:02 2000 From: jforsmo at home.com (James Forsmo) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article In-Reply-To: <39577E3B.24D2D943@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: I'd heard a bit about this new proposed legislation, but this article really spelled things out. This is pure evil. Also, is there a meeting this week? I want to start attending. James Forsmo From root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net Mon Jun 26 01:12:48 2000 From: root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article In-Reply-To: <39577E3B.24D2D943@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: Hmm. Reading this, it sounds like it will give software writters further room to hang themselves with, and allow them to become even more slothly. Most major companies favor regulations that make it harder to work in their industry, thus weeding out the weak and small. If, under the protection of this bill, Microsoft is allowed to become buggier, and more hostile twards consumers, free software can only benefit. Before I read the article, I assumed it might be something like Germany's software laws: that you ARE liable for what your software does, and you can't disclaim it - more accountability, not less. This would damage free software, as they would be accountable for those rare bugs that did crop up, and they would be restricted from beta releases that allow the final testing to be done by the consumer. This sounds just like Bill's work, weither or not it is. I can only hope that like Steve Jobs, we all eventually wise up and realize we were betrayed. -scott On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > Pretty good UCITA Article for the non-technical person. Does anyone > know when this is comming to Arizona? I don't know about you, but I > want to fight this... > > http://laweekly.com/ink/00/22/cyber-gunn.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Jun 26 13:59:24 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Meeting was: (Re: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article) References: Message-ID: <3957A80C.A9E9DCE6@bpxinternet.com> James Forsmo wrote: > > I'd heard a bit about this new proposed legislation, but this article really > spelled things out. This is pure evil. > > Also, is there a meeting this week? I want to start attending. > > James Forsmo The meetings are (normally) the 1st Thursday and the 3rd Tuesday of every month. Please check this list for announcements and cancellations first though. Some people from out of town showed up unannounced for a meeting that was canceled one time :) -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From doug.miles at bpxinternet.com Mon Jun 26 14:12:45 2000 From: doug.miles at bpxinternet.com (Doug Miles) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article References: Message-ID: <3957AB2D.BBFDD4A0@bpxinternet.com> Scott Walters wrote: > > Hmm. > Reading this, it sounds like it will give software writters further room > to hang themselves with, and allow them to become even more slothly. Most > major companies favor regulations that make it harder to work in their > industry, thus weeding out the weak and small. If, under the protection of > this bill, Microsoft is allowed to become buggier, and more hostile twards > consumers, free software can only benefit. Before I read the article, I > assumed it might be something like Germany's software laws: that you ARE > liable for what your software does, and you can't disclaim it - more > accountability, not less. This would damage free software, as they would > be accountable for those rare bugs that did crop up, and they would be > restricted from beta releases that allow the final testing to be done by > the consumer. This sounds just like Bill's work, weither or not it is. I > can only hope that like Steve Jobs, we all eventually wise up and realize > we were betrayed. I'm afraid that UCITA is the worst of both worlds. It protects the big guys, but screws the consumer and the small developer. Read this: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ucita.html -- - Doug "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." --Burt Bacharach From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Mon Jun 26 14:37:01 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDBFF@tef00021.vitalps.com> That is a very interesting viewpoint.... I guess it is giving them more rope to hang themselves with, but in the mean time, it makes it hard for consumers. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Walters [mailto:root@nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:13 PM To: Phoenix.pm Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article Hmm. Reading this, it sounds like it will give software writters further room to hang themselves with, and allow them to become even more slothly. Most major companies favor regulations that make it harder to work in their industry, thus weeding out the weak and small. If, under the protection of this bill, Microsoft is allowed to become buggier, and more hostile twards consumers, free software can only benefit. Before I read the article, I assumed it might be something like Germany's software laws: that you ARE liable for what your software does, and you can't disclaim it - more accountability, not less. This would damage free software, as they would be accountable for those rare bugs that did crop up, and they would be restricted from beta releases that allow the final testing to be done by the consumer. This sounds just like Bill's work, weither or not it is. I can only hope that like Steve Jobs, we all eventually wise up and realize we were betrayed. -scott On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > Pretty good UCITA Article for the non-technical person. Does anyone > know when this is comming to Arizona? I don't know about you, but I > want to fight this... > > http://laweekly.com/ink/00/22/cyber-gunn.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > From root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net Mon Jun 26 03:04:59 2000 From: root at nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article In-Reply-To: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDBFF@tef00021.vitalps.com> Message-ID: Hmm. Doug's link definately augmented the law link's version of the story. I'm now envisioning the Makefile's displaying the GNU license (which disclaims liability), and I'm envisioning sites like Geocities be more allied with Microsoft and large software vendors to prevent release of "secret" information, and I'm envisioning Microsoft suits of organizations like FSF, Corel, etc. This is a very good time for Microsoft to cash in on the "lawlessness" of the Internet as it stands. As GNU has always pointed out, irresponcible behavior gives the big guys more fuel. Any law which the software giants can concoct will be viewed by state goverment as bringing order to an out of control Internet. Hmm. I'm babbeling this morning. Viva la resistance!! -scott On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Bryan Lane wrote: > That is a very interesting viewpoint.... I guess it is giving them more > rope to hang themselves with, but in the mean time, it makes it hard for > consumers. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Walters [mailto:root@nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:13 PM > To: Phoenix.pm > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article > > > > Hmm. > Reading this, it sounds like it will give software writters further room > to hang themselves with, and allow them to become even more slothly. Most > major companies favor regulations that make it harder to work in their > industry, thus weeding out the weak and small. If, under the protection of > this bill, Microsoft is allowed to become buggier, and more hostile twards > consumers, free software can only benefit. Before I read the article, I > assumed it might be something like Germany's software laws: that you ARE > liable for what your software does, and you can't disclaim it - more > accountability, not less. This would damage free software, as they would > be accountable for those rare bugs that did crop up, and they would be > restricted from beta releases that allow the final testing to be done by > the consumer. This sounds just like Bill's work, weither or not it is. I > can only hope that like Steve Jobs, we all eventually wise up and realize > we were betrayed. > > -scott > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > > > Pretty good UCITA Article for the non-technical person. Does anyone > > know when this is comming to Arizona? I don't know about you, but I > > want to fight this... > > > > http://laweekly.com/ink/00/22/cyber-gunn.shtml > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM Mon Jun 26 15:32:25 2000 From: Bryan.Lane at VITALPS.COM (Bryan Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article Message-ID: <219B26AF200FD411A11200805FE6EF250CDC02@tef00021.vitalps.com> I agree. I'm wondering what will happen on a nation wide scale. Specifically, I wonder if someone is going to challenge the law as unconstitutional and win. It would be ironic if a big media company began battle for the FSF! Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Walters [mailto:root@nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 1:05 AM To: 'phoenix-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' Subject: RE: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article Hmm. Doug's link definately augmented the law link's version of the story. I'm now envisioning the Makefile's displaying the GNU license (which disclaims liability), and I'm envisioning sites like Geocities be more allied with Microsoft and large software vendors to prevent release of "secret" information, and I'm envisioning Microsoft suits of organizations like FSF, Corel, etc. This is a very good time for Microsoft to cash in on the "lawlessness" of the Internet as it stands. As GNU has always pointed out, irresponcible behavior gives the big guys more fuel. Any law which the software giants can concoct will be viewed by state goverment as bringing order to an out of control Internet. Hmm. I'm babbeling this morning. Viva la resistance!! -scott On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Bryan Lane wrote: > That is a very interesting viewpoint.... I guess it is giving them more > rope to hang themselves with, but in the mean time, it makes it hard for > consumers. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Walters [mailto:root@nebuchadnezzar.slowass.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:13 PM > To: Phoenix.pm > Subject: Re: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article > > > > Hmm. > Reading this, it sounds like it will give software writters further room > to hang themselves with, and allow them to become even more slothly. Most > major companies favor regulations that make it harder to work in their > industry, thus weeding out the weak and small. If, under the protection of > this bill, Microsoft is allowed to become buggier, and more hostile twards > consumers, free software can only benefit. Before I read the article, I > assumed it might be something like Germany's software laws: that you ARE > liable for what your software does, and you can't disclaim it - more > accountability, not less. This would damage free software, as they would > be accountable for those rare bugs that did crop up, and they would be > restricted from beta releases that allow the final testing to be done by > the consumer. This sounds just like Bill's work, weither or not it is. I > can only hope that like Steve Jobs, we all eventually wise up and realize > we were betrayed. > > -scott > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Doug Miles wrote: > > > Pretty good UCITA Article for the non-technical person. Does anyone > > know when this is comming to Arizona? I don't know about you, but I > > want to fight this... > > > > http://laweekly.com/ink/00/22/cyber-gunn.shtml > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > From p at dancris.com Tue Jun 27 10:00:27 2000 From: p at dancris.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Unix Admin Opening Message-ID: Hello fellow Perl geeks, My company is looking for 3 Unix System/Web Admins. You need good Unix, Apache, Networking and of course Perl skills. The servers that we administer run Linux, FreeBSD, BSDI and SCO. Super skills like sendmail are a plus. I work for Direct Alliance, (parent company is Insight). We provide direct to market sales via the web and a sales force. Our clients are mostly fortune 500 companies. Sorry for the off topic post but I thought that it would be nicer to hire someone from the list. Please send your resumes to my work address pjones@direct-alliance.com Thanks, -- ........................................................................ : Peter J Jones : Unix/Perl Geek : : Surprise, Arizona : Four Wheeling : : www.dancris.com/~p : Jesus Freak : :...................................:..................................: :"... it doesn't work anymore, get me some black tape!" -- Bill Kitchen: :......................................................................: From mark at wcws.com Tue Jun 27 22:15:06 2000 From: mark at wcws.com (Mark A. Sharkey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmers Message-ID: <39596DBA.8EF37A96@wcws.com> Hello, I am in desperate need of Perl or Perl/MySQL or PHP/MySQL programmers. I'm willing to hire people for full or part-time positions, and willing to have them salaried (W2) or contract (1099). I need to be able to talk to you during regular business hours (preferably by phone); however, you can do your work after hours. You will be doing the work out of your house (or at your current employer's office). Deadlines are always unrealistic, most coding is on sloppily written scripts, and the margin for error is very slim. Any takers? I can get you started on your first job within minutes (and it will be do immediately after that)! -- Do you want the power and flexibility of having your own iServer without the risk or hassle of maintaining it yourself? Professional management of your iServer account http://www.iServerPros.com @---------------------------@-----------------------@ | Mark A. Sharkey | mailto:mark@wcws.com | | World Class Web Sites | http://www.wcws.com | | | 800 844 4434 | | Custom CGI Scripts | 480 461 9765 | | Perl PHP MySQL JavaScript | 480 461 9312 (fax) | @---------------------------@-----------------------@ From mark at wcws.com Tue Jun 27 22:24:42 2000 From: mark at wcws.com (Mark A. Sharkey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmers References: <39596DBA.8EF37A96@wcws.com> Message-ID: <39596FFA.2DB9E0EF@wcws.com> I mean, ...it will be *due* immediately after that. Call anytime, day or night. If I don't answer, leave me a message. Thanks. Mark "Mark A. Sharkey" wrote: > I can get you started on your first job within minutes (and it will be do > immediately after that)! -- Do you want the power and flexibility of having your own iServer without the risk or hassle of maintaining it yourself? Professional management of your iServer account http://www.iServerPros.com @---------------------------@-----------------------@ | Mark A. Sharkey | mailto:mark@wcws.com | | World Class Web Sites | http://www.wcws.com | | | 800 844 4434 | | Custom CGI Scripts | 480 461 9765 | | Perl PHP MySQL JavaScript | 480 461 9312 (fax) | @---------------------------@-----------------------@ From joelnelson at home.net Tue Jun 27 23:05:13 2000 From: joelnelson at home.net (Joel Nelson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmers References: <39596DBA.8EF37A96@wcws.com> Message-ID: <39597979.1649D9B@home.net> Hmmmmm, no mention of salary ranges. Not interested in changing if it's not worth it. Wouldn't consider myself a guru but very adaquate. Can you give a range? Joel Nelson "Mark A. Sharkey" wrote: > Hello, > > I am in desperate need of Perl or Perl/MySQL or PHP/MySQL programmers. > > I'm willing to hire people for full or part-time positions, and willing to have > them salaried (W2) or contract (1099). I need to be able to talk to you during > regular business hours (preferably by phone); however, you can do your work > after hours. You will be doing the work out of your house (or at your current > employer's office). > > Deadlines are always unrealistic, most coding is on sloppily written scripts, > and the margin for error is very slim. Any takers? > > I can get you started on your first job within minutes (and it will be do > immediately after that)! > > -- > Do you want the power and flexibility of having your own > iServer without the risk or hassle of maintaining it yourself? > > Professional management of your iServer account > http://www.iServerPros.com > > @---------------------------@-----------------------@ > | Mark A. Sharkey | mailto:mark@wcws.com | > | World Class Web Sites | http://www.wcws.com | > | | 800 844 4434 | > | Custom CGI Scripts | 480 461 9765 | > | Perl PHP MySQL JavaScript | 480 461 9312 (fax) | > @---------------------------@-----------------------@ From mark at wcws.com Wed Jun 28 00:21:46 2000 From: mark at wcws.com (Mark A. Sharkey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: Perl programmers References: <39596DBA.8EF37A96@wcws.com> <39597979.1649D9B@home.net> Message-ID: <39598B6A.45561F5B@wcws.com> Typical ranges have been from $35/hour-$85/hour, depending on skill level for contractors. Around $50k-$80K for salaried employees. Mark Joel Nelson wrote: > > Hmmmmm, no mention of salary ranges. Not interested in changing if it's not worth > it. Wouldn't consider myself a guru but very adaquate. Can you give a range? > > Joel Nelson > > "Mark A. Sharkey" wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I am in desperate need of Perl or Perl/MySQL or PHP/MySQL programmers. > > > > I'm willing to hire people for full or part-time positions, and willing to have > > them salaried (W2) or contract (1099). I need to be able to talk to you during > > regular business hours (preferably by phone); however, you can do your work > > after hours. You will be doing the work out of your house (or at your current > > employer's office). > > > > Deadlines are always unrealistic, most coding is on sloppily written scripts, > > and the margin for error is very slim. Any takers? > > > > I can get you started on your first job within minutes (and it will be do > > immediately after that)! > > > > -- > > Do you want the power and flexibility of having your own > > iServer without the risk or hassle of maintaining it yourself? > > > > Professional management of your iServer account > > http://www.iServerPros.com > > > > @---------------------------@-----------------------@ > > | Mark A. Sharkey | mailto:mark@wcws.com | > > | World Class Web Sites | http://www.wcws.com | > > | | 800 844 4434 | > > | Custom CGI Scripts | 480 461 9765 | > > | Perl PHP MySQL JavaScript | 480 461 9312 (fax) | > > @---------------------------@-----------------------@ -- Do you want the power and flexibility of having your own iServer without the risk or hassle of maintaining it yourself? Professional management of your iServer account http://www.iServerPros.com @---------------------------@-----------------------@ | Mark A. Sharkey | mailto:mark@wcws.com | | World Class Web Sites | http://www.wcws.com | | | 800 844 4434 | | Custom CGI Scripts | 480 461 9765 | | Perl PHP MySQL JavaScript | 480 461 9312 (fax) | @---------------------------@-----------------------@ From tcpeter at my-deja.com Wed Jun 28 01:15:06 2000 From: tcpeter at my-deja.com (Tim Peter) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: UCITA Article References: <39577E3B.24D2D943@bpxinternet.com> Message-ID: <395997E9.DDEEDC6C@my-deja.com> Doug Miles wrote: > Pretty good UCITA Article for the non-technical person. Does anyone > know when this is comming to Arizona? I don't know about you, but I > want to fight this... A good place to check would be http://www.ucitanews.com. It keeps tabs on the current status of the law throughout the country, and presents what appears to be a fairly balanced view of the law. By the way, a balanced view of this law (IMHO, of course), is remarkable, given how insidious this piece of...legislation truly is. Cheers. Tim From mdearman at inficad.com Wed Jun 28 16:05:54 2000 From: mdearman at inficad.com (Michael Dearman) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:16:12 2004 Subject: Phoenix.pm: printindusty.com form problem References: <39596DBA.8EF37A96@wcws.com> Message-ID: <395A68B2.A21E75CA@inficad.com> Hey Mark, Spoke with you earlier this am, and we went over the industry.com site's problem with the too long of a string as the param 'require'. At least for the older AOL clients. I finally got my caffeine level topped off, and went and got a CGI book to fill a hole in my library. Had always envisioned using something other that just plan ole CGI. But I guess I forgot the maxim that most work is maintenace. I'll correct that gap. Anway. Now that I see that that 'require' param is just a long string and not a set of key/val pairs (duh), yes I guess one way would be to break that string up into 2 params (e.g. require1 and require2) and taking a guess, by the way that string is formated, that then the script is splitting the pairs into a hash? That the 2 variables could be merged into the single data structure that the algorithm uses. But not seeing the algorithm envolved, and not knowing if that structure is being used for something other than simpl checking the required fields in the form (like maybe also checking for existing records in the db? before creating a new one), hard to say for sure if that could in anyway affect the use of the algorithm for the other forms that it processes. So, I'll take a chance and really show my ignorance with suggesting something that's probably a real hack, but may possibly hold down the fort with the least disruption until a more elegant solution is pondered. And that is - Don't pass that long winded string in the first place. * Mark that form/page with an identifier (name=bogus001) * Hard code the data structure directly into the script * check for the identifier and use the hardcoded data for that particular page * A big comment in the HTML noting the hack and pointing to the necessity of having to change the script also if the form changes. Yuck! For sure, this is ugly. Michael Dearman --------------- -Opey "...but .5?" -Andy "That's just a ratio. 2.5 kids out of 100 don't get enough to eat" -Opey "But half a kid! Pooooor Haratio"