From casey at geeknest.com  Fri Jul  1 09:56:51 2005
From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:56:51 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
Message-ID: <20050701165651.GF366@geeknest.com>

Wednesday the 13th. Dan and I would like to dicuss a proposition with
anyone who's interested in doing something really really cool for Perl
here in Pittsburgh. :-)

Let's call it the PPW talk. (Pronounce that "pew" if you want. Or just
spit on yourself. Or just use the letters.)

  Casey West

-- 
Shooting yourself in the foot with Modula-2 
After realizing that you can't actually accomplish anything in this
language, you shoot yourself in the head. 


From chris at cwinters.com  Fri Jul  1 11:19:54 2005
From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:19:54 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701165651.GF366@geeknest.com>
References: <20050701165651.GF366@geeknest.com>
Message-ID: <20050701181954.GA8921@www.openinteract.org>

* Casey West (casey at geeknest.com) [050701 13:09]:
> Wednesday the 13th. Dan and I would like to dicuss a proposition with
> anyone who's interested in doing something really really cool for Perl
> here in Pittsburgh. :-)
> 
> Let's call it the PPW talk. (Pronounce that "pew" if you want. Or just
> spit on yourself. Or just use the letters.)

Sounds great! Are we still down with Barrie + Co.'s location?

Are we allowed to speculate on what 'PPW' stands for? (My guess:
'Pittsburgh Perl Workshop')

Chris

-- 
Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com)
Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988

From casey at geeknest.com  Fri Jul  1 11:09:30 2005
From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:09:30 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701181954.GA8921@www.openinteract.org>
References: <20050701165651.GF366@geeknest.com>
	<20050701181954.GA8921@www.openinteract.org>
Message-ID: <20050701180930.GG366@geeknest.com>

It was Friday, July 01, 2005 when Chris Winters took the soap box, saying:
: * Casey West (casey at geeknest.com) [050701 13:09]:
: > Wednesday the 13th. Dan and I would like to dicuss a proposition with
: > anyone who's interested in doing something really really cool for Perl
: > here in Pittsburgh. :-)
: > 
: > Let's call it the PPW talk. (Pronounce that "pew" if you want. Or just
: > spit on yourself. Or just use the letters.)
: 
: Sounds great! Are we still down with Barrie + Co.'s location?

Yes. I'm hoping Rob Blackwell will post something about it. I'm going
to get him pgh.pm.org credentials today. I'm going to pass them out
like candy so you may get email from me. :-)

: Are we allowed to speculate on what 'PPW' stands for? (My guess:
: 'Pittsburgh Perl Workshop')

Yes and yes.

  Casey West

-- 
Losing a technical argument? Try this:
  Our support infrastructure simply can't handle the volume that change
  would involve.


From robertblackwell at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  1 11:10:59 2005
From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:10:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701181954.GA8921@www.openinteract.org>
Message-ID: <20050701181059.71672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Chris Winters <chris at cwinters.com> wrote:

> * Casey West (casey at geeknest.com) [050701 13:09]:
> > Wednesday the 13th. Dan and I would like to dicuss a proposition with
> > anyone who's interested in doing something really really cool for Perl
> > here in Pittsburgh. :-)
> > 
> > Let's call it the PPW talk. (Pronounce that "pew" if you want. Or just
> > spit on yourself. Or just use the letters.)
> 
> Sounds great! Are we still down with Barrie + Co.'s location?
> 
> Are we allowed to speculate on what 'PPW' stands for? (My guess:
> 'Pittsburgh Perl Workshop')
> 
> Chris

If we are guessing.  'PPW' translates to  "70 cent beer!" some how ... right?
(For those of you not at YAPC sorry for the inside joke.)
> -- 
> Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com)
> Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988
> _______________________________________________
> pgh-pm mailing list
> pgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm
> 


Robert Blackwell 
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AIM: robertdblackwell 
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Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From robertblackwell at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  1 11:19:16 2005
From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701180930.GG366@geeknest.com>
Message-ID: <20050701181916.2969.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Casey West <casey at geeknest.com> wrote:

> It was Friday, July 01, 2005 when Chris Winters took the soap box, saying:
> : * Casey West (casey at geeknest.com) [050701 13:09]:
> : > Wednesday the 13th. Dan and I would like to dicuss a proposition with
> : > anyone who's interested in doing something really really cool for Perl
> : > here in Pittsburgh. :-)
> : > 
> : > Let's call it the PPW talk. (Pronounce that "pew" if you want. Or just
> : > spit on yourself. Or just use the letters.)
> : 
> : Sounds great! Are we still down with Barrie + Co.'s location?
> 
> Yes. I'm hoping Rob Blackwell will post something about it. I'm going
> to get him pgh.pm.org credentials today. I'm going to pass them out
> like candy so you may get email from me. :-)

I will send it out.  Will this take the whole time? If not I will do my little talk on: 

* Communitating with Text

Examples and Tools to express yourself with plain text.
It was inspired by http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html.  But it was not word
that got me but a visio diagram that describe a single table in a database that got me fired up.


> : Are we allowed to speculate on what 'PPW' stands for? (My guess:
> : 'Pittsburgh Perl Workshop')
> 
> Yes and yes.
> 
>   Casey West
> 
> -- 
> Losing a technical argument? Try this:
>   Our support infrastructure simply can't handle the volume that change
>   would involve.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pgh-pm mailing list
> pgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm
> 


Robert Blackwell 
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AIM: robertdblackwell 
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Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From chris at cwinters.com  Fri Jul  1 11:45:21 2005
From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:45:21 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701181059.71672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050701181954.GA8921@www.openinteract.org>
	<20050701181059.71672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050701184521.GA15161@www.openinteract.org>

* Robert Blackwell (robertblackwell at yahoo.com) [050701 14:25]:
>... 
> If we are guessing.  'PPW' translates to  "70 cent beer!" some how ... right?
> (For those of you not at YAPC sorry for the inside joke.)

...which translates to "Chief's Cafe" for all us Pittsburghers :-)

Chris

-- 
Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com)
Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988

From chris at cwinters.com  Fri Jul  1 11:47:18 2005
From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:47:18 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701181916.2969.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050701180930.GG366@geeknest.com>
	<20050701181916.2969.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050701184718.GB15161@www.openinteract.org>

* Robert Blackwell (robertblackwell at yahoo.com) [050701 14:33]:
>...
> I will send it out.  Will this take the whole time? If not I will do
> my little talk on:
> 
> * Communitating with Text
> 
> Examples and Tools to express yourself with plain text.  It was
> inspired by http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html.
> But it was not word that got me but a visio diagram that describe a
> single table in a database that got me fired up.

FWIW, I found a pretty nifty sequence-digramming tool that uses
plaintext as the source for the generated diagram:

  http://www.zanthan.com/itymbi/archives/cat_sequence.html

Much nicer for doing version control + diffs...

Chris

-- 
Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com)
Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988

From robertblackwell at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  1 11:56:17 2005
From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:56:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701184718.GB15161@www.openinteract.org>
Message-ID: <20050701185617.18718.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Chris Winters <chris at cwinters.com> wrote:

> * Robert Blackwell (robertblackwell at yahoo.com) [050701 14:33]:
> >...
> > I will send it out.  Will this take the whole time? If not I will do
> > my little talk on:
> > 
> > * Communitating with Text
> > 
> > Examples and Tools to express yourself with plain text.  It was
> > inspired by http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html.
> > But it was not word that got me but a visio diagram that describe a
> > single table in a database that got me fired up.
> 
> FWIW, I found a pretty nifty sequence-digramming tool that uses
> plaintext as the source for the generated diagram:
> 
>   http://www.zanthan.com/itymbi/archives/cat_sequence.html
> 
> Much nicer for doing version control + diffs...

Sweet!  I will add it to my talk for sure. 



> 
> Chris
> 
> -- 
> Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com)
> Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988
> _______________________________________________
> pgh-pm mailing list
> pgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm
> 


Robert Blackwell 
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Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
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Skype: rblackwe

From robert at robertblackwell.com  Fri Jul  1 12:13:56 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:13:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Poster
Message-ID: <20050701191356.60049.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>


I want to make up some posters to advertise the meetings.  Does anyone have a pointer to the new
Onion logo and its terms of use?  

Robert Blackwell 
robert at robertblackwell.com 
AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From chris at cwinters.com  Fri Jul  1 12:34:14 2005
From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:34:14 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Poster
In-Reply-To: <20050701191356.60049.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050701191356.60049.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050701193414.GA18691@www.openinteract.org>

* Robert Blackwell (robert at robertblackwell.com) [050701 15:28]:
> I want to make up some posters to advertise the meetings.  Does
> anyone have a pointer to the new Onion logo and its terms of use?

I think the Perl Foundation holds the copyright so I'd email Allison
Randal (allison at perl.org) for info (I didn't see anything on the
site).

Chris

-- 
Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com)
Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988

From robert at robertblackwell.com  Fri Jul  1 12:34:32 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Poster
In-Reply-To: <20050701193414.GA18691@www.openinteract.org>
Message-ID: <20050701193432.4281.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

 
> I think the Perl Foundation holds the copyright so I'd email Allison
> Randal (allison at perl.org) for info (I didn't see anything on the
> site).

I looked here, there and everywhere without success.  I notice that not only does
http://www.perlfoundation.org/ not have a pointer to the onion they use the camel and that odd
thing of a logo.

I thought I might find a patch of onions of various shapes and sizes to pick from ... but alas no
onions there.

Any way a sent an email to Allison Randal (allison at perl.org) for some onion info.

So ... are there any graphics people among us who want to make a poster? (once the onion is found)

I thought we could just do a PDF thing and fellow Perl Mongers print and distribute them at book
stores and universities and ...



Robert Blackwell 
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AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From Dan at DWright.Org  Fri Jul  1 13:16:03 2005
From: Dan at DWright.Org (Daniel J. Wright)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Poster
Message-ID: <2819.216.92.130.24.1120248963.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>


(Re-sending after an initial failure)


You'd probably have to talk to Alison to get that info.   However, it
appears that the camel PM logo is fair game, with a caveat:

  http://www.pm.org/faq/index.html

Regarding our talk time, I expect that the talk will be short, but the
discussion afterwards will take a while.   So, we should probably plan on
going last.  That way if the discussion last a while, we can just continue
the conversation over food.

For those of you that are subscribed to the mailing list, but don't
ordinarily come to PGH-PM meetings (i.e. James and Jonathan), this is one
you do not want miss!

For those of you that already figured things out, please keep it quiet. 
We're not ready to announce publicly what's going on yet.

Thanks,
-Dan

>
> I want to make up some posters to advertise the meetings.  Does anyone
have a pointer to the new
> Onion logo and its terms of use?
>
> Robert Blackwell
> robert at robertblackwell.com
> AIM: robertdblackwell
> Yahoo!: robertblackwell
> Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
> http://www.robertblackwell.com
> Skype: rblackwe
> _______________________________________________
> pgh-pm mailing list
> pgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm
>




From barries at slaysys.com  Fri Jul  1 15:01:25 2005
From: barries at slaysys.com (Barrie Slaymaker)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:01:25 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701181916.2969.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050701181916.2969.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42C5BD35.2060408@slaysys.com>


>* Communitating with Text
>
>Examples and Tools to express yourself with plain text.
>It was inspired by http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html.  But it was not word
>that got me but a visio diagram that describe a single table in a database that got me fired up.
>  
>
Hear, hear!  (sic).

I can talk a bit about SOP, a plain text outliner that we use internally 
too, if there's time.  And read up on ReStructured Text :).

- Barrie


From casey at geeknest.com  Fri Jul  1 15:05:49 2005
From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:05:49 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701181916.2969.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050701180930.GG366@geeknest.com>
	<20050701181916.2969.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050701220549.GI366@geeknest.com>

It was Friday, July 01, 2005 when Robert Blackwell took the soap box, saying:
: I will send it out.

Cool.

: Will this take the whole time?

No. We'll go last. Get the cool stuff out of the way.

  Casey West

-- 
"Please leave your values at the front desk."
 --In a Paris Hotel Elevator


From jo2y at midnightlinux.com  Fri Jul  1 15:30:01 2005
From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:30:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Poster
In-Reply-To: <2819.216.92.130.24.1120248963.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>
References: <2819.216.92.130.24.1120248963.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0507011828010.21657@yar.midnightlinux.com>

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Daniel J. Wright wrote:

> For those of you that are subscribed to the mailing list, but don't
> ordinarily come to PGH-PM meetings (i.e. James and Jonathan), this is one
> you do not want miss!

I tried once recently! I just forgot to write down the address and ended 
up driving up and down Baum before getting bored.

-james


From robert at robertblackwell.com  Fri Jul  1 17:24:16 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:24:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] should have bee titled ... PGH pm stuff ... :)
Message-ID: <20050702002416.10614.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

http://use.perl.org/~autrijus/journal/25452

Cool some PGH-PM stuff mentioned.



Robert Blackwell 
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AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From robert at robertblackwell.com  Thu Jul  7 04:07:46 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 04:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh Perl Mongers | Meeting | Wednesday July 13,
	2005 19:00
Message-ID: <20050707110746.87719.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

*Technical Gathering*


*Location*

  Slaymaker Systems, Inc.
  4914 Baum Blvd.
  Pittsburgh, PA 15213

  Wednesday July 11, 2005
  19:00

*Talks*

*Communitating with Text* - Robert Blackwell 

Examples and Tools to express yourself with plain text.  It was sort of inspired by
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html.  But it was not word that got me but a
visio diagram that describe a single table in a database that got me fired up.  Feel free to share
if you have a tool or example you like.


*PPW talk* - Casey West & Dan Wright*

Dan and Casey would like to dicuss  a proposition with
anyone who's interested in doing something really really cool for Perl
here in Pittsburgh. (Pronounce that "pew" if you want. Or just
spit on yourself. Or just use the letters.) 


*After Talks*

We will go to a Restaurant/Bar for food and drink after the talk.
The last few meetings we have gone to Sharp Edge Beer Emporium (http://www.sharpedgebeer.com/).
That may or may not be where we go this meeting.
(Sorry but, the beer is not $0.70.)


Robert Blackwell 



Robert Blackwell 
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AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From robert at robertblackwell.com  Thu Jul  7 06:45:19 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:45:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Cool Tool? -> JSSh - a TCP/IP JavaScript Shell Server for
	Mozilla
Message-ID: <20050707134520.18593.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

I was wanting to show this in the cool tools time at the next mongers meeting.  I am going to have
a change to play with it.  I have been looking at doing some remote web testing using Mozilla and
found this ...
JSSh - a TCP/IP JavaScript Shell Server for Mozilla
http://www.croczilla.com/jssh

WOW! Looks rather cool.  

Your milage may vary.

Robert


Robert Blackwell 
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AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From robert at robertblackwell.com  Fri Jul  8 08:35:54 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Perl tutorials
Message-ID: <20050708153554.90434.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

Fellow Mongers,

I was just wondering if any fellow mongers would be interested in helping with some type of Perl
intro class.  (This would not compete with http://www.stonehenge.com/).  It would be something
free to further introduce people in Pittsburgh to Perl.  

We would need people to help get the  word out, find space, develop the class, teach the class,
etc.
I could not do this alone.

Is this just crazy or could we make it work?

Thanks
Robert

Robert Blackwell 
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AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From casey at geeknest.com  Fri Jul  8 08:46:34 2005
From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:46:34 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Perl tutorials
In-Reply-To: <20050708153554.90434.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050708153554.90434.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <603EFBFD-FED4-4FB1-B195-5623674E3DF8@geeknest.com>


On Jul 8, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Robert Blackwell wrote:

> I was just wondering if any fellow mongers would be interested in  
> helping with some type of Perl
> intro class.  (This would not compete with http:// 
> www.stonehenge.com/).  It would be something
> free to further introduce people in Pittsburgh to Perl.

This should be given at PPW. :-)

-- 
Casey West



From robertblackwell at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  8 11:43:48 2005
From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050701181954.GA8921@www.openinteract.org>
Message-ID: <20050708184349.59873.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>


> 
> Are we allowed to speculate on what 'PPW' stands for? (My guess:
> 'Pittsburgh Perl Workshop')
> 
> Chris

My guess is Pittsburgh Perl Whirl where we cruise up and down the three rivers on the Clipper
fleet coding perl.

Robert Blackwell 
robert at robertblackwell.com 
AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From casey at geeknest.com  Fri Jul  8 12:21:49 2005
From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:21:49 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Talks for the next monger meeting
In-Reply-To: <20050708184349.59873.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050708184349.59873.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7008F515-3A41-4A4D-9FDC-473D0E26A5A7@geeknest.com>

On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Robert Blackwell wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Are we allowed to speculate on what 'PPW' stands for? (My guess:
>> 'Pittsburgh Perl Workshop')
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> My guess is Pittsburgh Perl Whirl where we cruise up and down the  
> three rivers on the Clipper
> fleet coding perl.

Oh so close. ;-)

Come to the meeting and find out!

-- 
Casey West



From ceo at fat24.com  Sat Jul  9 06:20:37 2005
From: ceo at fat24.com (Jim Rose)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:20:37 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Perl & Sci Fi Friday
Message-ID: <3CDE6488-F07C-11D9-AD4C-000393A64BC2@fat24.com>

Help

My wife is infuriated by my allegiance to Sci Fi Friday (Stargate SG1, 
Stargate Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica).  The new season starts this 
Friday.  I know I'm in for 13 weeks of weekly fighting to defend my 
right to enjoy what she argues is a non-productive waste of time, and 
what I consider essential to my intellectual life.  Is there anyone out 
there in the Pittsburgh PM that faces similar persecution, anyone who 
would be interested in forming a Sci Fi Friday Perl discussion club?  
This way, Perl people could socialize, enjoy 3 hours of the best 
television ever made, and discuss Perl on the commercial breaks ->  
making my wife's arguments mute since such gatherings will now be 
related to my professional life.  No formal discussions or lectures 
(not to replace the monthly gatherings), but a pure social side of Perl 
that centers around the best damn television ever written...

Jim
A Lurker on Pittsburgh PM


From robertblackwell at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  9 08:35:08 2005
From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Perl & Sci Fi Friday
In-Reply-To: <3CDE6488-F07C-11D9-AD4C-000393A64BC2@fat24.com>
Message-ID: <20050709153508.55623.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

> anyone who would be interested in forming a Sci Fi Friday Perl discussion club?  

I could be interested in that but I don't know that I could make it every Friday.  
Where would me meet?  


Robert Blackwell 
robert at robertblackwell.com 
AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From ceo at fat24.com  Sat Jul  9 10:12:08 2005
From: ceo at fat24.com (Jim Rose)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:12:08 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Perl & Sci Fi Friday
In-Reply-To: <20050709153508.55623.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <94BA8334-F09C-11D9-AD4C-000393A64BC2@fat24.com>

Location wise, the [set of limitations] seems to be that it has to be 
somewhere where we can assert control over a TV, and that the TV has to 
be connected either to cable or satellite.  My home would be fine, 
excepting my TV is small and would annoy those who like larger screens. 
  Maybe calling up some CMU connections can get us a campus room???

On Saturday, July 9, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Robert Blackwell wrote:

>> anyone who would be interested in forming a Sci Fi Friday Perl 
>> discussion club?
>
> I could be interested in that but I don't know that I could make it 
> every Friday.
> Where would me meet?
>
>
> Robert Blackwell
> robert at robertblackwell.com
> AIM: robertdblackwell
> Yahoo!: robertblackwell
> Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
> http://www.robertblackwell.com
> Skype: rblackwe
>


From ceo at fat24.com  Mon Jul 11 14:38:07 2005
From: ceo at fat24.com (Jim Rose)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:38:07 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Sci-Fi Friday Perl Lessons
Message-ID: <120CBE5D-F254-11D9-B823-000393A64BC2@fat24.com>

Just a thought:  Why can't we merge these two issues?  We get a room at 
Pitt or CMU with a TV, invite students to join our Sci-Fi meeting, and 
in exchange, teach Perl nuggets to whomever appears?


From lenzo at cepstral.com  Tue Jul 12 08:57:42 2005
From: lenzo at cepstral.com (Kevin Lenzo)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:57:42 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Perl tutorials
In-Reply-To: <603EFBFD-FED4-4FB1-B195-5623674E3DF8@geeknest.com>
References: <20050708153554.90434.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
	<603EFBFD-FED4-4FB1-B195-5623674E3DF8@geeknest.com>
Message-ID: <BBB9F342-BF7D-44A4-849A-CD679098362D@cepstral.com>

I have a two-part tutorial that I was giving at
Linuxworld and other venues.  It's in LaTeX, but
I think the first module is really good and may
be useful as a starting point.  The second one is
really material that may be cannibalized by the
first.

Kevin

On Jul 8, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Casey West wrote:

>
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Robert Blackwell wrote:
>
>
>> I was just wondering if any fellow mongers would be interested in
>> helping with some type of Perl
>> intro class.  (This would not compete with http://
>> www.stonehenge.com/).  It would be something
>> free to further introduce people in Pittsburgh to Perl.
>>
>
> This should be given at PPW. :-)
>
> -- 
> Casey West
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pgh-pm mailing list
> pgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm
>


From robert at robertblackwell.com  Tue Jul 12 09:58:45 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Perl tutorials
In-Reply-To: <BBB9F342-BF7D-44A4-849A-CD679098362D@cepstral.com>
Message-ID: <20050712165845.35355.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Kevin Lenzo <lenzo at cepstral.com> wrote:

> I have a two-part tutorial that I was giving at
> Linuxworld and other venues.  It's in LaTeX, but
> I think the first module is really good and may
> be useful as a starting point.  The second one is
> really material that may be cannibalized by the
> first.
> 
> Kevin
> 

BTW:  Glad to hear you are ok.  

This is wonderfull.  When we get a little more details put toghether I would like to get a copy.  



Robert Blackwell 
robert at robertblackwell.com 
AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From Dan at DWright.Org  Tue Jul 12 13:48:57 2005
From: Dan at DWright.Org (Daniel J. Wright)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:48:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Sci-Fi Friday Perl Lessons
In-Reply-To: <120CBE5D-F254-11D9-B823-000393A64BC2@fat24.com>
References: <120CBE5D-F254-11D9-B823-000393A64BC2@fat24.com>
Message-ID: <2048.216.92.130.24.1121201337.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com>


You should come to the meeting tomorrow, and we can discuss it.   :-)

-Dan

> Just a thought:  Why can't we merge these two issues?  We get a room at
> Pitt or CMU with a TV, invite students to join our Sci-Fi meeting, and
> in exchange, teach Perl nuggets to whomever appears?
>
> _______________________________________________
> pgh-pm mailing list
> pgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm
>


From robert at robertblackwell.com  Wed Jul 13 07:01:40 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh Perl Mongers | Meeting | Wednesday July 13,
	2005 19:00 That is tonight.
Message-ID: <20050713140141.30186.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

If you are reading on Wednesday July 13, 2005 there is a Perl Mongers meeting tonight.

This is just a reminder.


 *Technical Gathering*
 
 
 *Location*
 
   Slaymaker Systems, Inc.
   4914 Baum Blvd.
   Pittsburgh, PA 15213
 
   Wednesday July 11, 2005
   19:00
 
 *Talks*
 
 *Communitating with Text* - Robert Blackwell 
 
 Examples and Tools to express yourself with plain text.  It was sort of inspired by
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html.  But it was not word that got me but a
 visio diagram that describe a single table in a database that got me fired up.  Feel free to
 share if you have a tool or example you like.
 
 
 *PPW talk* - Casey West & Dan Wright*
 
 Dan and Casey would like to dicuss  a proposition with
 anyone who's interested in doing something really really cool for Perl
 here in Pittsburgh. (Pronounce that "pew" if you want. Or just
 spit on yourself. Or just use the letters.) 
 
 
 *After Talks*
 
 We will go to a Restaurant/Bar for food and drink after the talk.
 The last few meetings we have gone to Sharp Edge Beer Emporium (http://www.sharpedgebeer.com/).
 That may or may not be where we go this meeting.
 (Sorry but, the beer is not $0.70.)
 


Robert Blackwell 
robert at robertblackwell.com 
AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From robert at robertblackwell.com  Thu Jul 14 07:03:57 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:03:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Where is perl in Pittsurgh
Message-ID: <20050714140357.63913.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>

Fellow Mongers, 

I am working on beating the Pittsburgh Perl Mongers drum.  Also known as a membership drive.  I
think of it as Project Perlsburgh.  I am always sad to hear people tell me they code perl and
don't even know that Pgh.pm.org is alive again :(  We can put and end to that.


Plans of out reach:

- Follow up with www.pghtech.org to get us listed there and become part of their mailing
anouncments.

- Build the list of perl in Pittsburgh.  Find companies/non-profits/etc that are using perl in the
region.  This can be from job postings, contacts, etc.  If you know of companies please contact
them and let them know the Pittsburgh Perl Mongers are alive.  Or let me know who they are and I
will try to contact them.

- Make posters that will be distributed at bookstores, schools, etc with the PM info.  This is
still being designed.  

- use.perl.org post in journals and a story post.

- Other ideas ... Please let me know what else makes sense.

We have about 35 members on the mailing list.  I would like to get that number up to 100.  I know
of about 5 people that are not on the list and a few companies that probably don't know about us
that I will contact.  I bet you know some too.  Please do some outreach.

I really want to reach the perl programmers that don't know about the community.  They don't read
use.perl.org, www.perlmonks, they are not on irc, or mailing lists, etc.


Thanks
Robert







Robert Blackwell 
robert at robertblackwell.com 
AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From tom at moertel.com  Fri Jul 15 20:43:37 2005
From: tom at moertel.com (Tom Moertel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:43:37 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] More communicating with text: New IMDB-Rating Decoder Ring
Message-ID: <42D88269.7060506@moertel.com>

Inspired by Robert's talk, I recreated my IMDB Movie-Rating Decoder ring 
to mimic the data tables in old engineering and statistics books.  I was 
able to pack in a ton of data, including percentile scores for every 
film genre from Action to Western.

The decoder ring instantly turns a movie's rating on IMDB into a more 
useful number:  a percentile that shows where the movie ranks among all 
other movies.  For example, "Spider-Man 2" has a 7.9 rating on IMDB. 
With the decoder ring, I can tell that the movie is better than about 95 
percent of movies in general and better than about 97 percent of action 
movies.  "Fantastic Four," on the other hand has a 6.1 rating and ranks 
at an unimpressive 41 percent mark.  Just 1.8 IMDB points can make a big 
difference.

http://community.moertel.com/ss/space/IMDB+Movie-Rating+Decoder+Ring

Cheers,
Tom

From robert at robertblackwell.com  Mon Jul 18 10:24:30 2005
From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh Perl Mongers | Meeting | Thursday, August 11th
Message-ID: <20050718172430.23358.qmail@web54206.mail.yahoo.com>

Venue change for August!

*Social Gathering*

Our meetings are open to anyone interested in Perl, the talk topic, beer, geekdom, etc.  Please
join us.

*Location*

  Professional/Amateur Pinball Association's (PAPA) World Headquarters
  501 Keystone Dr.
  Carnegie, PA 15106
  Thursday, August 11th
  19:00



Our August technical gathering will not be held on the traditional date or place. Instead, we will
be meeting on Thursday, August 11th. We will be meeting on-site at the Professional/Amateur
Pinball Association's (PAPA) World Headquarters located in Carnegie, PA. Meeting time will still
be at 7:00

The 11th will mark the beginning of this year's world tournament. It should be a really good time.
Entry into the facility is free, and they have an eating area where we can grab some tables and
talk about Perl. After the meeting, there will be plenty of food on-site. Plus there will be over
170 pinball machines in the practice banks available for playing.

For more information about PAPA, including driving directions, please go to papa.org






Robert Blackwell 
robert at robertblackwell.com 
AIM: robertdblackwell 
Yahoo!: robertblackwell 
Jabber: robertblackwell at jabber.com
http://www.robertblackwell.com
Skype: rblackwe

From chris at cwinters.com  Tue Jul 19 05:27:55 2005
From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:27:55 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] [Fwd: [wplug] PittJUG Summer Slam]
Message-ID: <42DCF1CB.6000408@cwinters.com>

It's the first I've heard of this...

Chris

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [wplug] PittJUG Summer Slam
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:06:19 -0400
From: Carl Trusiak <carl_trusiak at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: General user list <wplug at wplug.org>
To: wplug at wplug.org

The Summer Slam IV:  Pittsburgh User Groups Unite
Whether you are a devout Java programmer, a developer committed to
Microsoft's .NET framework or an XMLer caught in the middle - or a DBA
working in Oracle or an IT professional dedicated to SQL Server - set aside
your differences for a day as PITTSBURGH USER GROUPS UNITE!

The summer socials for many of Pittsburgh's user groups, including AITP,
InfraGard, IRMAP, PittJUG, Pgh.NET, PghOUG, PSSUG, STC, TRCPA and WPEAF
have been combined for a unique night of networking and fun.   Attendees
will learn about the benefits and challenges of each technology through
informal conversations with your peers.  Appetizers will be provided and a
cash bar, as well as great raffle prizes will be available.

Date: Thursday, July 21
Time: 5:00-8:00 p.m.
Location: The Claddagh Irish Pub-Southside Works
http://www.claddaghirishpubs.com/locations.php
Price: Free
RSVP:  412.918.4229 or events at pghtech.org


_______________________________________________
wplug mailing list
wplug at wplug.org
http://www.wplug.org/mailman/listinfo/wplug

From casey at geeknest.com  Tue Jul 19 14:25:55 2005
From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:25:55 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] [Fwd: [wplug] PittJUG Summer Slam]
In-Reply-To: <42DCF1CB.6000408@cwinters.com>
References: <42DCF1CB.6000408@cwinters.com>
Message-ID: <321186B6-DB61-4B83-95D6-78E77163ED0F@geeknest.com>


On Jul 19, 2005, at 8:27 AM, Chris Winters wrote:

> It's the first I've heard of this...
>

Me too. I posted to wplug, and I plan to go. It's right by pair's  
office.

-- 
Casey West



From laweber at switch.com  Thu Jul 28 06:48:46 2005
From: laweber at switch.com (Weber, Larry A)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:48:46 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Windows Installation
Message-ID: <03F517C72D42284EBB48800AEF3E7D1D84D55F@exchptc1.switch.com>

I need to have ActiveState's Perl installed on both my local pc (for script
development) and on a network drive (for department use of my scripts).
Does anyone know how to modify an installation so that I can control where
ppm installs packages and where Perl looks for libraries, etc.. 

If I copy my local installation to the network drive, the network copy of
ppm installs packages onto my local machine and not the network
installation.  Same for libraries, etc.  I assume there must be
configuration files in there somewhere????

-laweber


From chris at cwinters.com  Thu Jul 28 07:24:05 2005
From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:24:05 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Windows Installation
In-Reply-To: <03F517C72D42284EBB48800AEF3E7D1D84D55F@exchptc1.switch.com>
References: <03F517C72D42284EBB48800AEF3E7D1D84D55F@exchptc1.switch.com>
Message-ID: <20050728142404.GA31569@www.openinteract.org>

* Weber, Larry A (laweber at switch.com) [050728 10:04]:
> I need to have ActiveState's Perl installed on both my local pc (for script
> development) and on a network drive (for department use of my scripts).
> Does anyone know how to modify an installation so that I can control where
> ppm installs packages and where Perl looks for libraries, etc.. 
> 
> If I copy my local installation to the network drive, the network copy of
> ppm installs packages onto my local machine and not the network
> installation.  Same for libraries, etc.  I assume there must be
> configuration files in there somewhere????

There's a script/batch-file 'reloc_perl' in the ActiveState bin/ that
I think will do part of what you want. But I think AS also stores some
settings in the registry so there may be some additional wrangling you
have to do.

The other, more lightweight thing you can do to modify where Perl
looks for libraries is set the PERL5LIB environment variable
(semicolon-delimited directories). These get added at runtime to your
@INC.

Chris

-- 
Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com)
Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988

From chris at cwinters.com  Thu Jul 28 12:16:45 2005
From: chris at cwinters.com ('Chris Winters')
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:16:45 -0400
Subject: [pgh-pm] Windows Installation
In-Reply-To: <03F517C72D42284EBB48800AEF3E7D1D84D561@exchptc1.switch.com>
References: <03F517C72D42284EBB48800AEF3E7D1D84D561@exchptc1.switch.com>
Message-ID: <20050728191645.GA19196@www.openinteract.org>

* Weber, Larry A (laweber at switch.com) [050728 14:53]:
> Thanks for the help, I think the relocate will work for me.
> 
> Occasionally I have trouble loading Perl modules.  Usually it is when ppm
> can't find them.  I have tried cpan.bat but that doesn't work well.  Do you
> know if there is a good description of the organization of Perl library
> files?  I just installed several packages using ppm.  Some were put in \lib,
> some in \site\lib, and some in \site\lib\auto.  I am trying to install
> Contextual::Return and having nothing but grief.

Both of these directories act as a module root, so either of these
would be loaded:

 \site\lib\Contextual\Return.pm
 \site\lib\auto\Contextual\Return.pm

If you want to create your own library directory that works whether
you're using your local or networked perl install, say in
'c:\work\perl', I think you can do:

 cd Contextual-Return-x.xx/
 perl Makefile.PL PREFIX=c:/work/perl
 nmake install

I'm not sure how to tell PPM to install to a separate directory. (And
if you don't have 'nmake.exe' on your path, google://download+nmake.)

Then when you run your script:

 set PERL5LIB=c:/work/perl
 perl myscript.pl

Chris

-- 
Chris Winters (http://www.cwinters.com)
Building enterprise-capable snack solutions since 1988