From jo2y at midnightlinux.com Thu Jan 1 22:13:28 2004 From: jo2y at midnightlinux.com (James O'Kane) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] infobot.org Message-ID: Does anyone know what's happened to infobot.org and/or Kevin Lenzo? Both seem to be AWOL. -james From chris at cwinters.com Fri Jan 2 20:00:47 2004 From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] website down? Message-ID: Is the pgh.pm.org website down? I was out of town for the Dec book-giveaway and didn't hear what was on tap for January. Chris PS - Happy new year! -- Chris Winters Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 21:05:11 2004 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (robertblackwell) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] website down?] Message-ID: <3FF63167.4090808@yahoo.com> Chris Winters wrote: > Is the pgh.pm.org website down? I was out of town for the Dec > book-giveaway and didn't hear what was on tap for January. > > Chris > > PS - Happy new year! > > -- > Chris Winters > Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > I get ping and lookup but not HTTP response. Are we on for January? C:\>nslookup pgh.pm.org Server: dns.nyc1.speakeasy.net Address: 216.254.95.2 Non-authoritative answer: Name: pgh.pm.org Address: 209.195.191.8 C:\>ping pgh.pm.org Pinging pgh.pm.org [209.195.191.8] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 209.195.191.8: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=53 Reply from 209.195.191.8: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=53 Reply from 209.195.191.8: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=53 Reply from 209.195.191.8: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=53 Ping statistics for 209.195.191.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 50ms, Maximum = 80ms, Average = 57ms From casey at geeknest.com Mon Jan 5 08:35:27 2004 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] website down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040105143527.GB89496@geeknest.com> It was Friday, January 02, 2004 when Chris Winters took the soap box, saying: : Is the pgh.pm.org website down? I was out of town for the Dec : book-giveaway and didn't hear what was on tap for January. It was only mostly dead. :-) A nasty runaway process was killing the server. I had to get a real vacation. I spent two weeks away from the Intarweb and I haven't been happier. As for January, I've heard rumors of folks wanting to talk about stuff but I haven't scheduled anything. Would two of you like to volunteer yourselves to talk about something? Adam, you mentioned to me you wanted to talk about building CPAN releasable distrubutions? Since the meeting is just on Wednesday of this week I'll understand if noone wants to put themselves out there. I will do one talk if that is the case, and of course we can go out to eat and drink! : PS - Happy new year! Ditto. Casey West -- "Real programmers don't work from 9 to 5. If any real programmers are around at 9am it's because they were up all night." --Unknown From chris at cwinters.com Mon Jan 5 08:53:46 2004 From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] website down? In-Reply-To: <20040105143527.GB89496@geeknest.com> References: <20040105143527.GB89496@geeknest.com> Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2004, at 9:35 AM, Casey West wrote: > I had to get a real vacation. I spent two weeks away from the > Intarweb and I haven't been happier. As for January, I've heard Good for you! > rumors of folks wanting to talk about stuff but I haven't scheduled > anything. > Would two of you like to volunteer yourselves to talk about something? I actually have a few things to talk about (Workflow and OpenInteract2), but I just realized that I'll be out of town (sunny FLA while you suckers are freezing your toes off!) starting January 14th... doh! Chris -- Chris Winters Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 From barries at slaysys.com Mon Jan 5 09:47:36 2004 From: barries at slaysys.com (Barrie Slaymaker) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] website down? In-Reply-To: References: <20040105143527.GB89496@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <20040105154722.GB4437@e.slaysys.com> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 09:53:46AM -0500, Chris Winters wrote: > > I actually have a few things to talk about (Workflow and > OpenInteract2), What are you using for workflow editing? I've been looking for a reasonable graph / diagram editor to use as a front end for various generative programming tasks (state machines and data flow mostly) for a while, but none have looked open source and good/easy enough to build what I want out of. - Barrie From chris at cwinters.com Mon Jan 5 10:13:51 2004 From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] website down? In-Reply-To: <20040105154722.GB4437@e.slaysys.com> References: <20040105143527.GB89496@geeknest.com> <20040105154722.GB4437@e.slaysys.com> Message-ID: <26AC1B2E-3F9A-11D8-A3F3-000A95DBDB3A@cwinters.com> On Jan 5, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Barrie Slaymaker wrote: > What are you using for workflow editing? > > I've been looking for a reasonable graph / diagram editor to use as a > front end for various generative programming tasks (state machines and > data flow mostly) for a while, but none have looked open source and > good/easy enough to build what I want out of. It's actually the other side of the coin, a generic (and simple!) workflow system to manage this stuff. It's just a state machine but geared toward everyday rather than academic problems. That said, the graphical designer used for the java-based OSWorkflow system [1] might be a good start. OSWorkflow is one of the reasons I wanted to stress simplicity in a Perl project. Chris [1] http://wiki.opensymphony.com/space/Getting+Started -- Chris Winters Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 From casey at geeknest.com Mon Jan 5 11:58:13 2004 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] website down? In-Reply-To: <20040105143527.GB89496@geeknest.com> References: <20040105143527.GB89496@geeknest.com> Message-ID: <20040105175813.GE89496@geeknest.com> It was Monday, January 05, 2004 when Casey West took the soap box, saying: : Since the meeting is just on Wednesday of this week I'll understand if : noone wants to put themselves out there. I will do one talk if that : is the case, and of course we can go out to eat and drink! I are dumb. Wednesday *next* week. I've got one talk scheduled. Anyone want the other slot? 5-30 minutes on a topic of your choice. Casey West -- Shooting yourself in the foot with C You shoot yourself in the foot. From barries at slaysys.com Mon Jan 5 12:56:15 2004 From: barries at slaysys.com (Barrie Slaymaker) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] Workflow editors, etc. In-Reply-To: <26AC1B2E-3F9A-11D8-A3F3-000A95DBDB3A@cwinters.com> References: <20040105143527.GB89496@geeknest.com> <20040105154722.GB4437@e.slaysys.com> <26AC1B2E-3F9A-11D8-A3F3-000A95DBDB3A@cwinters.com> Message-ID: <20040105185555.GD4437@e.slaysys.com> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 11:13:51AM -0500, Chris Winters wrote: > On Jan 5, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Barrie Slaymaker wrote: > >What are you using for workflow editing? > > It's actually the other side of the coin, a generic (and simple!) > workflow system to manage this stuff. It's just a state machine but > geared toward everyday rather than academic problems. Yeah, I needed something similar for non-Perl codebases, so I did StateML to let me spec a state machine and render it in, say PIC microcontroller C code. The main workflow feature I know normal state machines don't usually hack is the "split this thing (document, etc) and send it to 5 reviewers simultaneously, then gather reviews as they arrive and deal well with missing reviews" thing. But for embedded processing and normal UI design (two of the things we do a bunch of here), normal statemachine "workflows" suffice. > That said, the graphical designer used for the java-based OSWorkflow > system [1] might be a good start. I'll see if I can get it running somehere here, thanks for the pointer. Might have to roll something in wxPerl, eventually. > OSWorkflow is one of the reasons I > wanted to stress simplicity in a Perl project. Heh, I enjoyed the .NET vs. Java under/over designed OSS code critique that's been floating about recently :). Simplicity is vastly underrated, especially when combined with extensibility. - Barrie From chris at cwinters.com Sat Jan 10 21:48:01 2004 From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] so who's going to YAPC? Message-ID: Yes, YAPC 2004 is six months away, but the admirable fact that they planned it farther in advance should inspire us to create our plans early too. Or at least some preliminary plans... Barring emergencies I'll be going, and since it's only about 3 1/2 hours away (in Buffalo) I assume I'll be driving rather than flying. I also assume that we'll implement some ridesharing scheme as well -- not everyone has a car, or at least a car they can wrest from their SO for a few days... Hopefully we can coordinate something along those lines. Interested? Chris -- Chris Winters Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 From avi at finkel.org Sat Jan 10 23:19:49 2004 From: avi at finkel.org (Avi) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] so who's going to YAPC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4000DCF5.30809@finkel.org> I have a car that I get to use whenever I like, and I will almost certainly be driving -- I can fit 3 other people although if there's a lot of luggage and/or corpulence that might only be 2. Either way, I'd be willing to drive people up/back. --Avi Chris Winters wrote: > Yes, YAPC 2004 is six months away, but the admirable fact that they > planned it farther in advance should inspire us to create our plans > early too. Or at least some preliminary plans... > > Barring emergencies I'll be going, and since it's only about 3 1/2 > hours away (in Buffalo) I assume I'll be driving rather than flying. I > also assume that we'll implement some ridesharing scheme as well -- > not everyone has a car, or at least a car they can wrest from their SO > for a few days... Hopefully we can coordinate something along those > lines. > > Interested? > > Chris > > -- > Chris Winters > Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > > From robertblackwell at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 15:48:32 2004 From: robertblackwell at yahoo.com (robertblackwell) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] so who's going to YAPC? In-Reply-To: <4000DCF5.30809@finkel.org> References: <4000DCF5.30809@finkel.org> Message-ID: <4001C4B0.6070805@yahoo.com> Avi wrote: > I have a car that I get to use whenever I like, and I will almost > certainly be driving -- I can fit 3 other people although if there's a > lot of luggage and/or corpulence that might only be 2. Either way, > I'd be willing to drive people up/back. > > --Avi > > Chris Winters wrote: > >> Yes, YAPC 2004 is six months away, but the admirable fact that they >> planned it farther in advance should inspire us to create our plans >> early too. Or at least some preliminary plans... >> >> Barring emergencies I'll be going, and since it's only about 3 1/2 >> hours away (in Buffalo) I assume I'll be driving rather than flying. >> I also assume that we'll implement some ridesharing scheme as well -- >> not everyone has a car, or at least a car they can wrest from their >> SO for a few days... Hopefully we can coordinate something along >> those lines. >> >> Interested? >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> Chris Winters >> Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pgh-pm mailing list >> pgh-pm@mail.pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-pm mailing list > pgh-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-pm > I will be going. I will be driving just don't know if my wife will be going yet. Robert From casey at geeknest.com Mon Jan 12 09:49:18 2004 From: casey at geeknest.com (casey@geeknest.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:58 2004 Subject: [pgh-pm] Pittsburgh Perl Mongers | Meeting | 01.14.2004 Message-ID: <20040112154919.33DF2102A5@caseywest.com> *Technical Gathering* Two excellent talks. *Location* Agnew Moyer Smith, Inc. 3700 South Water Street Suite 300 http://amsite.com 01.14.2004 19:00 Directions: Directions and other: http://amsite.com/exchange/exchange.html *Talks* *Casey West* How to write a Perl module *Steve Grazzini* All about attributes.pm -- Casey West (via automation)