From enobacon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 00:42:13 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 00:42:13 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] The 2011 Perl 6 Coding Contest
Message-ID: <201201030042.13637.enobacon@gmail.com>

http://strangelyconsistent.org/blog/the-2011-perl-6-coding-contest

"...This is a contest for people who are aware that Perl 6 has 
been "officially released", and who want the perfect excuse to start 
playing around with the language. ..."
-- 

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From enobacon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 10:11:55 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:11:55 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] The 2011 Perl 6 Coding Contest
In-Reply-To: <190F588E-C6A9-427F-96DD-5250BB3DF17E@ohsu.edu>
References: <201201030042.13637.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<190F588E-C6A9-427F-96DD-5250BB3DF17E@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <201201031011.55598.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Tom Keller on Tuesday 03 January 2012 10:06:

>For those of us "behind the curve" here, the version history of
> submissions would make a great introduction to a Practical Perl6
> Programming book. ... I would buy it.

If anybody here decides to give it a whirl (sign up this week), consider 
posting your git repository after the contest is over.  We could take 
some time to review the code before meetings if there is interest.

--Eric
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 22:52:24 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:52:24 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] January Meeting next Thursday -- AMGSP2012 (Schwern rides
	a pail Moose)
Message-ID: <201201052252.25121.enobacon@gmail.com>


  Thu. January 12th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek - 1731 SE 10th Ave  
 
2012 is here, and that means it's time for the

 7th-ish Annual-ish Michael G Schwern pdx.pm Presentation

Presentation details to be determined.  (Rumored to be about small, 
furry creatures with antlers aka OOSE.)

  http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?January2012Meeting

As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab.
-- 

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From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 11:16:48 2012
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:16:48 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] January Meeting next Thursday -- AMGSP2012 (Schwern
 rides a pail Moose)
In-Reply-To: <201201052252.25121.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201201052252.25121.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAikAbz5H02h1fKM0EkmxYwZeM2dmv5n1gQc1=8Lv3nK=FQo9A@mail.gmail.com>

I was under the impression that it was a small creature like a mite.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 22:52, Seven till Seven <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Thu. January 12th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek - 1731 SE 10th Ave
>
> 2012 is here, and that means it's time for the
>
> ?7th-ish Annual-ish Michael G Schwern pdx.pm Presentation
>
> Presentation details to be determined. ?(Rumored to be about small,
> furry creatures with antlers aka OOSE.)
>
> ?http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?January2012Meeting
>
> As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab.
> --
>
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From jonathan at leto.net  Fri Jan  6 18:28:08 2012
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:28:08 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] January Meeting next Thursday -- AMGSP2012 (Schwern
 rides a pail Moose)
In-Reply-To: <201201052252.25121.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201201052252.25121.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABQG1aS+qKsWbpspxk+NnXJUUbaYt35WQ12a1k6GTZ1+wiWyOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

Sadly, I will be out of town. Please video this
Schwern-on-furry-creature action, for posterity.

Duke

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Seven till Seven <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Thu. January 12th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek - 1731 SE 10th Ave
>
> 2012 is here, and that means it's time for the
>
> ?7th-ish Annual-ish Michael G Schwern pdx.pm Presentation
>
> Presentation details to be determined. ?(Rumored to be about small,
> furry creatures with antlers aka OOSE.)
>
> ?http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?January2012Meeting
>
> As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab.
> --
>
> ? ? ? ?http://pdx.pm.org
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 16:25:41 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:25:41 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tomorrow -- AMGSP2012 (Schwern rides a pail Moose)
Message-ID: <201201111625.41655.enobacon@gmail.com>


  Thu. January 12th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek - 1731 SE 10th Ave  
 
2012 is here, and that means it's time for the

 7th-ish Annual-ish Michael G Schwern pdx.pm Presentation

Presentation details to be determined.  (Rumored to be about small, 
furry creatures with antlers aka OOSE.)

  http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/?January2012Meeting

As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab.
-- 

        http://pdx.pm.org

From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 14:29:17 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:29:17 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] tonight -- change of plans:  Unit Test Your Database!
Message-ID: <201201121429.17340.enobacon@gmail.com>


  Thu. January 12th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek - 1731 SE 10th Ave  

Schwern is unable to make it tonight due to unexpected externalities.

Instead, we'll have:

 Unit Test Your Database! with David Wheeler

 http://www.pgcon.org/2009/schedule/events/165.en.html

As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab.
-- 

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From kellert at ohsu.edu  Thu Jan 12 17:01:59 2012
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Tom Keller)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:01:59 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] error: Can't use string ("Workrequest::Utilities") as a
	HASH ref
Message-ID: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>

Greetings,
Writing a module Workrequest::Utilities with subroutine
##### code snippet ######
sub sample_range_fix {
my $params_ref = shift;
my $samples;
my $filename = $params_ref->{filename};
my $start = $params_ref->{start};
my $count = $params_ref->{count};
my $prefix = $params_ref->{prefix};
my $last = $start + $count -1;

for my $c ($start .. $last -1) {
if ( $c < 10 ) {
my $number = "0$c";
$samples .= "${prefix}_$number, ";
} else {
my $number = "$c";
$samples .= "${prefix}_$number, ";
}
$c++;
}
# add last sample w/o a comma
if ( $count < 10 ) {
$samples .= "${prefix}_0$last";
} else {
$samples .= "${prefix}_$last";
}
return $samples
}
##### end code snippet ######

I get the strict ref error when I call this method with:
##### code snippet ######
my %params = (
filename => $filename,
start => $start,
count => $count,
prefix => $prefix
);
my $samples = Workrequest::Utilities->sample_range_fix( %params );
##### end code snippet ######

I can't see what's wrong with it. Can you?

thanks for your help,
Tom
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From chromatic at wgz.org  Thu Jan 12 17:06:19 2012
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:06:19 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] error: Can't use string ("Workrequest::Utilities") as
	a HASH ref
In-Reply-To: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
References: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <201201121706.19867.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Thursday, January 12, 2012 at 05:01 PM, Tom Keller wrote:

> I can't see what's wrong with it. Can you?

Two problems: it's not a method, and it expects a hash reference.

	my $samples = Workrequest::Utilities::sample_range_fix( \%params );

-- c

From joshua at keroes.com  Thu Jan 12 17:06:32 2012
From: joshua at keroes.com (Joshua Keroes)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:06:32 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] error: Can't use string ("Workrequest::Utilities") as
 a HASH ref
In-Reply-To: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
References: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGPaCZgmWeBSYCWH_U66s3f6fHYkLaKfEoQWch6sDZBWMmt9gw@mail.gmail.com>

Try Workrequest::Utilities::sample_range_fix() instead. Using
->class_method() notation passes the class as the first argument.

Two more things:

   1. I suspect that $c++ line does nothing.
   2. sprintf or printf will handle that 0-prefixing with less code.


2012/1/12 Tom Keller <kellert at ohsu.edu>

> Greetings,
> Writing a module Workrequest::Utilities with subroutine
> ##### code snippet ######
> sub sample_range_fix {
> my $params_ref = shift;
>  my $samples;
> my $filename = $params_ref->{filename};
> my $start = $params_ref->{start};
>  my $count = $params_ref->{count};
> my $prefix = $params_ref->{prefix};
> my $last = $start + $count -1;
>
> for my $c ($start .. $last -1) {
> if ( $c < 10 ) {
> my $number = "0$c";
>  $samples .= "${prefix}_$number, ";
> } else {
> my $number = "$c";
>  $samples .= "${prefix}_$number, ";
> }
> $c++;
>  }
> # add last sample w/o a comma
> if ( $count < 10 ) {
> $samples .= "${prefix}_0$last";
>  } else {
> $samples .= "${prefix}_$last";
> }
>  return $samples
> }
> ##### end code snippet ######
>
> I get the strict ref error when I call this method with:
> ##### code snippet ######
> my %params = (
> filename => $filename,
> start => $start,
>  count => $count,
> prefix => $prefix
> );
> my $samples = Workrequest::Utilities->sample_range_fix( %params );
> ##### end code snippet ######
>
> I can't see what's wrong with it. Can you?
>
> thanks for your help,
> Tom
> MMI DNA Services Core Facility<http://www.ohsu.edu/xd/research/research-cores/dna-analysis/>
> 503-494-2442
> kellert at ohsu.edu
> Office: 6588 RJH (CROET/BasicScience)
>
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From kellert at ohsu.edu  Thu Jan 12 17:15:02 2012
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Tom Keller)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:15:02 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] error: Can't use string ("Workrequest::Utilities") as
 a HASH ref
In-Reply-To: <CAGPaCZgmWeBSYCWH_U66s3f6fHYkLaKfEoQWch6sDZBWMmt9gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
	<CAGPaCZgmWeBSYCWH_U66s3f6fHYkLaKfEoQWch6sDZBWMmt9gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3159D013-E6CB-49F8-A9C7-EBD1C3E308E5@ohsu.edu>

Thanks folks.
I use OO modules all the time, but haven't made one. So I forgot the difference.
and just missed that I'd not referenced the input hash.

thanks again,

Tom
kellert at ohsu.edu<mailto:kellert at ohsu.edu>
503-494-2442







On Jan 12, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Joshua Keroes wrote:

Try Workrequest::Utilities::sample_range_fix() instead. Using ->class_method() notation passes the class as the first argument.

Two more things:

 1.  I suspect that $c++ line does nothing.
 2.  sprintf or printf will handle that 0-prefixing with less code.

2012/1/12 Tom Keller <kellert at ohsu.edu<mailto:kellert at ohsu.edu>>
Greetings,
Writing a module Workrequest::Utilities with subroutine
##### code snippet ######
sub sample_range_fix {
my $params_ref = shift;
my $samples;
my $filename = $params_ref->{filename};
my $start = $params_ref->{start};
my $count = $params_ref->{count};
my $prefix = $params_ref->{prefix};
my $last = $start + $count -1;

for my $c ($start .. $last -1) {
if ( $c < 10 ) {
my $number = "0$c";
$samples .= "${prefix}_$number, ";
} else {
my $number = "$c";
$samples .= "${prefix}_$number, ";
}
$c++;
}
# add last sample w/o a comma
if ( $count < 10 ) {
$samples .= "${prefix}_0$last";
} else {
$samples .= "${prefix}_$last";
}
return $samples
}
##### end code snippet ######

I get the strict ref error when I call this method with:
##### code snippet ######
my %params = (
filename => $filename,
start => $start,
count => $count,
prefix => $prefix
);
my $samples = Workrequest::Utilities->sample_range_fix( %params );
##### end code snippet ######

I can't see what's wrong with it. Can you?

thanks for your help,
Tom
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503-494-2442<tel:503-494-2442>
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 10:58:19 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:58:19 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] prefixing, padding, and joining with commas
In-Reply-To: <CAGPaCZgmWeBSYCWH_U66s3f6fHYkLaKfEoQWch6sDZBWMmt9gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
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Message-ID: <201201131058.19557.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Joshua Keroes
# on Thursday 12 January 2012 17:06:

>? ?1. I suspect that $c++ line does nothing.
>? ?2. sprintf or printf will handle that 0-prefixing with less code.

Using sprintf(), map(), and join() eliminates the four instances of 
duplicate/pseudo-duplicate "$prefix . $something" code and reduces it 
to:

  join(', ', map {$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)} $start..$last)

Note the concatenation of commas onto $samples, plus the trailing case 
with special handling for "add last sample w/o a comma".  Using join() 
eliminates this special case at the end.

It is also more efficient (for large strings, repeated concatenation can 
be very expensive vs growing a list.)

Or, if you would rather read your code from left to right:

  use List::oo qw(L);
  L($start..$last)->map(sub{$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)})->join(', ');

--Eric
-- 
Issues of control, repair, improvement, cost, or just plain
understandability all come down strongly in favor of open source
solutions to complex problems of any sort.
--Robert G. Brown
---------------------------------------------------
    http://scratchcomputing.com
---------------------------------------------------

From kellert at ohsu.edu  Fri Jan 13 11:52:55 2012
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Tom Keller)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:52:55 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing question
In-Reply-To: <201201131058.19557.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
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join(', ', map {$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)} $start..$last); 
is much less clunky and elegantly handles the format issue. Thanks

May I ask aTesting question? 
Is this a reasonable way to test this function? 
Do you test just that the output looks like you expect, or do you test that your program gets the input too (even though GetOpt includes it's own test for the input?

 ( t/02-range_fix.t )
########## code snippet #########
#!perl -T

use lib '/Users/kellert/Computing/Git/Workrequest-Utilities/lib';		# for development on Edofleini
use Test::More  'no_plan';

BEGIN {
	use_ok( 'Workrequest::Utilities' );
}
$prefix = 'test';
$start = 8;
$count = 5;
$last = $start + $count -1;
$answer = 'test08, test09, test10, test11, test12';		## n.b. space between elements in csv list
$result =  join(', ', map {$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)} $start..$last);

diag( "Testing Workrequest::Utilities $Workrequest::Utilities::VERSION, Perl $], $^X" );
ok( defined $result, 'got a result from map' );
is( $result eq $answer, 1, "compare result to $answer" );		## 1 means TRUE
########  end code snippet #########

thanks,

Tom
kellert at ohsu.edu
503-494-2442







On Jan 13, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Eric Wilhelm wrote:

> # from Joshua Keroes
> # on Thursday 12 January 2012 17:06:
> 
>>    1. I suspect that $c++ line does nothing.
>>    2. sprintf or printf will handle that 0-prefixing with less code.
> 
> Using sprintf(), map(), and join() eliminates the four instances of 
> duplicate/pseudo-duplicate "$prefix . $something" code and reduces it 
> to:
> 
>  join(', ', map {$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)} $start..$last)
> 
> Note the concatenation of commas onto $samples, plus the trailing case 
> with special handling for "add last sample w/o a comma".  Using join() 
> eliminates this special case at the end.
> 
> It is also more efficient (for large strings, repeated concatenation can 
> be very expensive vs growing a list.)
> 
> Or, if you would rather read your code from left to right:
> 
>  use List::oo qw(L);
>  L($start..$last)->map(sub{$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)})->join(', ');
> 
> --Eric
> -- 
> Issues of control, repair, improvement, cost, or just plain
> understandability all come down strongly in favor of open source
> solutions to complex problems of any sort.
> --Robert G. Brown
> ---------------------------------------------------
>    http://scratchcomputing.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 14:10:12 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:10:12 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] February meeting topic (and speaker) needed
Message-ID: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>

Hi all,

We need a topic and a speaker for the February meeting (and the next few 
months, for that matter.)  What topics would you like to hear about?

Suggestions from last night's meeting:

  Perl on Android
  What's New in Perl 5.12/5.14 (or Year-in-Review)
  Getting Started on Win32
  AnyEvent.pm
  Web Frameworks
  Unit Testing Strategies
  Creating XS Modules
  Managing per-Application Dependencies
  Lightning Talks:  My Favorite Module
  CPAN Module Creation and Packaging

Please consider whether you could present on one of the topics mentioned 
in the coming months.  First-time speakers are welcome (and you might 
even just want to do half of a pair of half-length presentations.)  If 
you think you might be able to give a talk, please feel free to contact 
me about it off-list.

Thanks,
Eric
-- 
We did have a meeting wishlist page on the wiki at one point... that's 
the best part about a wiki!

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 15:09:57 2012
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:09:57 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] February meeting topic (and speaker) needed
In-Reply-To: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAikAbxBOj6TDrQ7s7XFcO+UhD5OKKDcm-qMLvjVZpGiP6fOcA@mail.gmail.com>

I could put on my dancer advocate hat if we wanted to do a web
framework lightning talk &| panel. Also as much as there are warts I
could do a small 'How ben uses dzil to build and maintain CPAN
modules, and how you could too with out much hassle' talk though again
I think the how to maintain CPAN modules should be a bit more
encompassing so also might be better suited to a lighting talk &|
panel setup.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 14:10, Eric Wilhelm <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We need a topic and a speaker for the February meeting (and the next few
> months, for that matter.) ?What topics would you like to hear about?
>
> Suggestions from last night's meeting:
>
> ?Perl on Android
> ?What's New in Perl 5.12/5.14 (or Year-in-Review)
> ?Getting Started on Win32
> ?AnyEvent.pm
> ?Web Frameworks
> ?Unit Testing Strategies
> ?Creating XS Modules
> ?Managing per-Application Dependencies
> ?Lightning Talks: ?My Favorite Module
> ?CPAN Module Creation and Packaging
>
> Please consider whether you could present on one of the topics mentioned
> in the coming months. ?First-time speakers are welcome (and you might
> even just want to do half of a pair of half-length presentations.) ?If
> you think you might be able to give a talk, please feel free to contact
> me about it off-list.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
> --
> We did have a meeting wishlist page on the wiki at one point... that's
> the best part about a wiki!
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list



-- 
benh~

http://about.notbenh.info

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 15:13:39 2012
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:13:39 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] February meeting topic (and speaker) needed
In-Reply-To: <CAAikAbxBOj6TDrQ7s7XFcO+UhD5OKKDcm-qMLvjVZpGiP6fOcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CAAikAbxBOj6TDrQ7s7XFcO+UhD5OKKDcm-qMLvjVZpGiP6fOcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAikAbysJp3V5Fcrd0_Qp-xgc98GnrTrduj9arCEYH92B0_JKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Something that's not on the list that I would find useful would be to
have a hardly structured gripe about getting to know perl session
where everyone that has not talked presents a few things that are
'wrong' or 'hard' in there opinion as a way to give us ways to improve
access to the perl community.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 15:09, benh <ben.hengst at gmail.com> wrote:
> I could put on my dancer advocate hat if we wanted to do a web
> framework lightning talk &| panel. Also as much as there are warts I
> could do a small 'How ben uses dzil to build and maintain CPAN
> modules, and how you could too with out much hassle' talk though again
> I think the how to maintain CPAN modules should be a bit more
> encompassing so also might be better suited to a lighting talk &|
> panel setup.
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 14:10, Eric Wilhelm <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We need a topic and a speaker for the February meeting (and the next few
>> months, for that matter.) ?What topics would you like to hear about?
>>
>> Suggestions from last night's meeting:
>>
>> ?Perl on Android
>> ?What's New in Perl 5.12/5.14 (or Year-in-Review)
>> ?Getting Started on Win32
>> ?AnyEvent.pm
>> ?Web Frameworks
>> ?Unit Testing Strategies
>> ?Creating XS Modules
>> ?Managing per-Application Dependencies
>> ?Lightning Talks: ?My Favorite Module
>> ?CPAN Module Creation and Packaging
>>
>> Please consider whether you could present on one of the topics mentioned
>> in the coming months. ?First-time speakers are welcome (and you might
>> even just want to do half of a pair of half-length presentations.) ?If
>> you think you might be able to give a talk, please feel free to contact
>> me about it off-list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
>> --
>> We did have a meeting wishlist page on the wiki at one point... that's
>> the best part about a wiki!
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>
>
>
> --
> benh~
>
> http://about.notbenh.info



-- 
benh~

http://about.notbenh.info

From exodist7 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 12:31:28 2012
From: exodist7 at gmail.com (Chad Granum)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:31:28 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] February meeting topic (and speaker) needed
In-Reply-To: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJFr3kvob92jS311PqdG2nVma4irkaCGJuXAHriqtnR3YdFsAw@mail.gmail.com>

I would be willing to do a "how to cleanup code" session. People can
bring scripts/modules that they know are ugly, such as 200+ line
functions,  large blocks of if/else/else/else and other monstrosities,
then I could bring it up and show how to clean it by factoring it into
smaller parts in manageable chunks. I would show how a successful
refactor preserves logic, but improves readability and testability.
Also showing that refactoring does not have to be scary as long as you
don't try to do a full re-write. I could also create some samples in
case nobody brings any.

Would anyone have interest in this?

-Chad

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Eric Wilhelm <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We need a topic and a speaker for the February meeting (and the next few
> months, for that matter.) ?What topics would you like to hear about?
>
> Suggestions from last night's meeting:
>
> ?Perl on Android
> ?What's New in Perl 5.12/5.14 (or Year-in-Review)
> ?Getting Started on Win32
> ?AnyEvent.pm
> ?Web Frameworks
> ?Unit Testing Strategies
> ?Creating XS Modules
> ?Managing per-Application Dependencies
> ?Lightning Talks: ?My Favorite Module
> ?CPAN Module Creation and Packaging
>
> Please consider whether you could present on one of the topics mentioned
> in the coming months. ?First-time speakers are welcome (and you might
> even just want to do half of a pair of half-length presentations.) ?If
> you think you might be able to give a talk, please feel free to contact
> me about it off-list.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
> --
> We did have a meeting wishlist page on the wiki at one point... that's
> the best part about a wiki!
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list

From gorthx at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 15:59:43 2012
From: gorthx at gmail.com (gabrielle)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:59:43 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] February meeting topic (and speaker) needed
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3kvob92jS311PqdG2nVma4irkaCGJuXAHriqtnR3YdFsAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>
	<CAJFr3kvob92jS311PqdG2nVma4irkaCGJuXAHriqtnR3YdFsAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHRs-_eoPrATsnXj6jbPrcZixW8QodO2PktTbhsPw3cZ5o8sWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Chad Granum <exodist7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would be willing to do a "how to cleanup code" session. People can
> bring scripts/modules that they know are ugly, such as 200+ line
> functions, ?large blocks of if/else/else/else and other monstrosities,
> then I could bring it up and show how to clean it by factoring it into
> smaller parts in manageable chunks. I would show how a successful
> refactor preserves logic, but improves readability and testability.
> Also showing that refactoring does not have to be scary as long as you
> don't try to do a full re-write. I could also create some samples in
> case nobody brings any.
>
> Would anyone have interest in this?

I'm always interested in refactoring.

gabrielle

From outgoing at SolutionsCreative.com  Sat Jan 14 21:19:14 2012
From: outgoing at SolutionsCreative.com (FilteredMessages)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:19:14 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] February meeting topic (and speaker) needed
Message-ID: <4F1261D2.7090509@SolutionsCreative.com>

If there is interest, in March or April (but not February) I could give 
a presentation titled:

"VoteFair ranking:  Math-based voting power for the 99%"

Note that Voting::VoteFairRanking is a Perl CPAN module that I uploaded 
some weeks ago -- after 20 years of development.

I'm already giving this presentation to the Westside Proggers group on 
January 26 (see Calagator for details), but I could repeat it, or a 
variation of it, for the PDX Perl Mongers group.

Here is the presentation description:  "Just-released open-source 
software that implements VoteFair ranking is now available to help us 
reach higher levels of voting fairness. You do voting when you click on 
Google search results, and you use voting results when you view the star 
rating of an Amazon product. Now learn how voting really works, how it 
is usually miscalculated -- intentionally in the case of elections -- 
and how it can be done to fully extract the wisdom in a group. Learn the 
math behind the puppet strings that connect politicians to the biggest 
campaign contributors. (Partial spoiler: The biggest unfairness is 
hidden in primary elections.) Also learn the math that eventually will 
cut those puppet strings. Along the way you will learn that there are 
different kinds of popularity."

FYI, I'm the author of /The Creative Problem Solver's Toolbox/ and 
/Ending The Hidden Unfairness In U.S. Elections/, the developer of the 
Dashrep programming language, and the developer of the software 
negotiation tool at www.NegotiationTool.com 
<http://www.NegotiationTool.com>.

If there is a preference for a shorter talk, I could give a presentation 
about the Dashrep language I created.  It's a text-manipulation 
language, with details at www.Dashrep.org.  The CPAN module 
Language::Dashrep is the engine that does the translation.

BTW, Eric Wilhelm knows who I am.

Richard Fobes

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From jonathan at leto.net  Wed Jan 18 07:53:26 2012
From: jonathan at leto.net (Jonathan "Duke" Leto)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:53:26 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing question
In-Reply-To: <863C8E49-F10C-49BA-AA9F-A1B664A32686@ohsu.edu>
References: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
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Howdy,

The test seems reasonable.

Some suggestions:

1) use strict + use warnings

2) Instead of

is($x eq $y, 'blarg')

this is better:

cmp_ok($x, 'eq', $y, 'blarg')

because you will get better error reporting from cmp_ok. It knows that
you are using 'eq', so it can say "hey, $x != $y", whereas the first
test will just say "this thing isn't true", which isn't nearly as
useful.

3) Consider using Test::Most. It has lots of awesomesauce.

Duke

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Tom Keller <kellert at ohsu.edu> wrote:
> join(', ', map {$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)} $start..$last);
> is much less clunky and elegantly handles the format issue. Thanks
>
> May I ask aTesting question?
> Is this a reasonable way to test this function?
> Do you test just that the output looks like you expect, or do you test that your program gets the input too (even though GetOpt includes it's own test for the input?
>
> ?( t/02-range_fix.t )
> ########## code snippet #########
> #!perl -T
>
> use lib '/Users/kellert/Computing/Git/Workrequest-Utilities/lib'; ? ? ? ? ? ? ? # for development on Edofleini
> use Test::More ?'no_plan';
>
> BEGIN {
> ? ? ? ?use_ok( 'Workrequest::Utilities' );
> }
> $prefix = 'test';
> $start = 8;
> $count = 5;
> $last = $start + $count -1;
> $answer = 'test08, test09, test10, test11, test12'; ? ? ? ? ? ? ## n.b. space between elements in csv list
> $result = ?join(', ', map {$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)} $start..$last);
>
> diag( "Testing Workrequest::Utilities $Workrequest::Utilities::VERSION, Perl $], $^X" );
> ok( defined $result, 'got a result from map' );
> is( $result eq $answer, 1, "compare result to $answer" ); ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ## 1 means TRUE
> ######## ?end code snippet #########
>
> thanks,
>
> Tom
> kellert at ohsu.edu
> 503-494-2442
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> # from Joshua Keroes
>> # on Thursday 12 January 2012 17:06:
>>
>>> ? ?1. I suspect that $c++ line does nothing.
>>> ? ?2. sprintf or printf will handle that 0-prefixing with less code.
>>
>> Using sprintf(), map(), and join() eliminates the four instances of
>> duplicate/pseudo-duplicate "$prefix . $something" code and reduces it
>> to:
>>
>> ?join(', ', map {$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)} $start..$last)
>>
>> Note the concatenation of commas onto $samples, plus the trailing case
>> with special handling for "add last sample w/o a comma". ?Using join()
>> eliminates this special case at the end.
>>
>> It is also more efficient (for large strings, repeated concatenation can
>> be very expensive vs growing a list.)
>>
>> Or, if you would rather read your code from left to right:
>>
>> ?use List::oo qw(L);
>> ?L($start..$last)->map(sub{$prefix . sprintf("%02d", $_)})->join(', ');
>>
>> --Eric
>> --
>> Issues of control, repair, improvement, cost, or just plain
>> understandability all come down strongly in favor of open source
>> solutions to complex problems of any sort.
>> --Robert G. Brown
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> ? ?http://scratchcomputing.com
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
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From andy at petdance.com  Wed Jan 18 07:57:14 2012
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:57:14 -0600
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing question
In-Reply-To: <CABQG1aSS5RwXYTgcMNzPRHWHJNLQMyJ1ZpDKRB9eEdg-bRtdCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E6C75437-CD8E-482B-98F4-B1FACAA77FF2@ohsu.edu>
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On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Jonathan Duke Leto wrote:

> is($x eq $y, 'blarg')
> 
> this is better:
> 
> cmp_ok($x, 'eq', $y, 'blarg')
> 
> because you will get better error reporting from cmp_ok. It knows that
> you are using 'eq', so it can say "hey, $x != $y", whereas the first
> test will just say "this thing isn't true", which isn't nearly as
> useful.


ok( $x eq $y, 'blarg' ) isn't informative.

is( $x, $y, 'blarg' ) tells you what's different.

cmp_ok( $x, 'eq', $y, 'blarg' ) is no more informative than the is() call.  cmp_ok should be used only if you want to compare using something other than 'eq'.

xoa


--
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From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 10:50:58 2012
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:50:58 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing question
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Another option is to not boil everything down to a single string to do
the test. Like Leto said, if you use Test::Differences (included when
you use Test::Most) then you'll have access to eq_or_diff that gives
you Data::Dumper-ish output for data structures when they fail. In the
example below take a look at the output (post __END__) and look at the
last row, note that it's flagged with '*' and you can see what's the
same and what's not.


#!/usr/bin/env perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use Test::Most qw{no_plan};

eq_or_diff
  [ qw{test08 test09 test10 test11 test13} ], # NOTE 13 rather then 12
to cause failure
  [ map{sprintf q{test%02d}, $_} 8..12 ],
  q{well do they match?}
;

__END__
not ok 1 - well do they match?
#   Failed test 'well do they match?'
#   at tom.t line 8.
# +----+----------+----------+
# | Elt|Got       |Expected  |
# +----+----------+----------+
# |   0|'test08'  |'test08'  |
# |   1|'test09'  |'test09'  |
# |   2|'test10'  |'test10'  |
# |   3|'test11'  |'test11'  |
# *   4|'test13'  |'test12'  *
# +----+----------+----------+
1..1
# Looks like you failed 1 test of 1.





2012/1/18 Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com>:
>
> On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Jonathan Duke Leto wrote:
>
> is($x eq $y, 'blarg')
>
> this is better:
>
> cmp_ok($x, 'eq', $y, 'blarg')
>
> because you will get better error reporting from cmp_ok. It knows that
> you are using 'eq', so it can say "hey, $x != $y", whereas the first
> test will just say "this thing isn't true", which isn't nearly as
> useful.
>
>
> ok( $x eq $y, 'blarg' ) isn't informative.
>
> is( $x, $y, 'blarg' ) tells you what's different.
>
> cmp_ok( $x, 'eq', $y, 'blarg' ) is no more informative than the is() call.
> ?cmp_ok should be used only if you want to compare using something other
> than 'eq'.
>
> xoa
>
>
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From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 10:52:47 2012
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:52:47 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Testing question
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oop, just noticed that I've got my get and expected reversed, sorry about that.

it should be :
eq_or_diff
 ?[ map{sprintf q{test%02d}, $_} 8..12 ],
 ?[ qw{test08 test09 test10 test11 test13} ], # NOTE 13 rather then 12
to cause failure
 ?q{well do they match?}
;


On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:50, benh <ben.hengst at gmail.com> wrote:
> Another option is to not boil everything down to a single string to do
> the test. Like Leto said, if you use Test::Differences (included when
> you use Test::Most) then you'll have access to eq_or_diff that gives
> you Data::Dumper-ish output for data structures when they fail. In the
> example below take a look at the output (post __END__) and look at the
> last row, note that it's flagged with '*' and you can see what's the
> same and what's not.
>
>
> #!/usr/bin/env perl
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use Test::Most qw{no_plan};
>
> eq_or_diff
> ?[ qw{test08 test09 test10 test11 test13} ], # NOTE 13 rather then 12
> to cause failure
> ?[ map{sprintf q{test%02d}, $_} 8..12 ],
> ?q{well do they match?}
> ;
>
> __END__
> not ok 1 - well do they match?
> # ? Failed test 'well do they match?'
> # ? at tom.t line 8.
> # +----+----------+----------+
> # | Elt|Got ? ? ? |Expected ?|
> # +----+----------+----------+
> # | ? 0|'test08' ?|'test08' ?|
> # | ? 1|'test09' ?|'test09' ?|
> # | ? 2|'test10' ?|'test10' ?|
> # | ? 3|'test11' ?|'test11' ?|
> # * ? 4|'test13' ?|'test12' ?*
> # +----+----------+----------+
> 1..1
> # Looks like you failed 1 test of 1.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/1/18 Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com>:
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Jonathan Duke Leto wrote:
>>
>> is($x eq $y, 'blarg')
>>
>> this is better:
>>
>> cmp_ok($x, 'eq', $y, 'blarg')
>>
>> because you will get better error reporting from cmp_ok. It knows that
>> you are using 'eq', so it can say "hey, $x != $y", whereas the first
>> test will just say "this thing isn't true", which isn't nearly as
>> useful.
>>
>>
>> ok( $x eq $y, 'blarg' ) isn't informative.
>>
>> is( $x, $y, 'blarg' ) tells you what's different.
>>
>> cmp_ok( $x, 'eq', $y, 'blarg' ) is no more informative than the is() call.
>> ?cmp_ok should be used only if you want to compare using something other
>> than 'eq'.
>>
>> xoa
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lester =>?andy at petdance.com?=>?www.petdance.com?=> AIM:petdance
>>
>>
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From: keithl at kl-ic.com (Keith Lofstrom)
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This is off topic, but some of you have Macs and play
with the code underneath the GUI.  I want to feed the
output of custom system scripts (mostly my ugly Perl)
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I'm integrating a Snow Leopard Mac Mini into a small
pond of Linux machines.  For email, the Linux machines
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On 2012.1.18 7:57 AM, Andy Lester wrote:
> cmp_ok( $x, 'eq', $y, 'blarg' ) is no more informative than the is() call.
>  cmp_ok should be used only if you want to compare using something other than
> 'eq'.

...or if you REALLY want to make sure 'eq' is used for the test.  Usually this
is only important when testing operator overloading.

is() doesn't always use 'eq'.  For example, it will consider "" and undef
different.

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From goatlove at khephera.net  Wed Jan 25 12:44:33 2012
From: goatlove at khephera.net (Clay Fouts)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:44:33 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Job opening
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11031.1327523895.2448.pdx-pm-list@pm.org>
References: <mailman.11031.1327523895.2448.pdx-pm-list@pm.org>
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Hi, Mongers.

I'm looking to hire a Perl developer for our "Open Source Integrated
Library Systems" team at LibLime/PTFS. Check out the job
description<https://www4.recruitingcenter.net/Clients/ptfscareers/PublicJobs/controller.cfm?jbaction=JobProfile&Job_Id=10071&esid=az>
for
a sketch of what's involved and our website <http://liblime.com/> and
Github<https://github.com/liblime> repo
for further context. We have several projects we work on, all web apps. Our
two primary products are LibLime Koha and LibLime Academic Koha. Both are
the catalogue/circulation management systems for libraries.

Please ignore standard HR job listing quirks, especially the "Core Java" in
the title. This work does not in any way involve Java. There is also no
need to move to Maryland or anywhere outside of where you currently live.

Feel welcome to ping me with questions and to forward this on to others you
think may be interested.

Cheers,
Clay

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From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 11:20:58 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:20:58 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] March, April, ... meeting topic (and speaker) needed
In-Reply-To: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <201201131410.12716.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201201261120.59172.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Eric Wilhelm
# on Friday 13 January 2012 14:10:

>We need a topic and a speaker for the February meeting (and the next
> few months, for that matter.) ?What topics would you like to hear
> about?

  http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?FutureMeetings

From our discussion thus far, I have tentatively added the following:

  March2012Meeting - Richard on Voting::VoteFairRanking
  April2012Meeting - Web Framework Panel (Ben, ...)
  May2012Meeting   - Getting Started / Dependencies
                     (win32, cpanm, local::lib)

We'll need Richard to confirm availability and more volunteers for 
presenting the parts of the following two meetings.

Please add to the ${Month}2012Meeting description pages if you are able 
to contribute to the session.  For May, I think it would be good to 
have 4-5 people each present a specific tool or walk-through an aspect 
of setting-up and working with the perl interpreter and modules.

Please discuss here or on irc.perl.org/#pdx.pm to coordinate topics and 
times.

Thanks,
Eric
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 14:35:11 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:35:11 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] February Meeting in 2 weeks -- Fearless Code Cleanup
Message-ID: <201201261435.11775.enobacon@gmail.com>

  Thu. February 9th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

topic:   Code cleanup and refactoring without the "scary".
speaker: Chad 'Exodist' Granum

Refactoring is something many developers approach with a great deal of 
fear. Sometimes you may need to refactor code that you do not 
understand. Sometimes there are no unit tests. Sometimes things can be 
scary.

Chad will be showing techniques for cleaning/refactoring code that will 
help avoid errors, and make things less scary. Ideally people will 
bring small/medium code samples or modules as examples. If nobody 
brings anything we may pull something off of cpan.

As usual, the meeting will be followed by social hour at the Lucky Lab.
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From enobacon at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 22:03:41 2012
From: enobacon at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:03:41 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Perl QA Hackathon 2012 - Your help is needed
Message-ID: <201201272203.41466.enobacon@gmail.com>

----------  Forwarded Message:  ----------

Subject:  Perl QA Hackathon 2012 - Your help is needed
Date: Friday 27 January 2012 06:40
From: "Philippe Bruhat (BooK)"

Dear Perl Mongers,

We are organizing the 2012 edition of the Perl QA Hackathon in Paris,
France, at the end of March 2012. http://2012.qa-hackathon.org/

Since I assume most people know what the Perl QA Hackathon is, I'll
 only give brief details on the event: we are inviting some of the best
 QA and CPAN experts in the Perl community to spend three days together
 to exchange and code in relation with those topics. The expected
 results are improvements to the CPAN and Test toolchains, as well as
 numerous fixes in a variety of CPAN distributions.

This is a work meeting, NOT a conference open to the general public:
 the attendees are selected and invited by the organizers. They will
 give their time, knowledge and energy for three days, all for the
 greater good of the community; this is why we would like to cover
 their costs to the best of our ability, by sponsoring travel,
 accomodation and catering for them.

The large number of attendees coming from outside Europe means we'll
 need to spend more on travel funds. We already have received
 significant sponsorship from companies and Perl organizations (and we
 are still looking for sponsors), but our current income doesn't fully
 cover our expected expenses. This is why we are now turning to the
 community, in the hope that the addition of small individual donations
 will help us close our budget gap and sponsor all attendees that need
 funding.

We have setup a PayPal account, and accept donations in three
currencies. The donate button and list of donors is available at:
http://2012.qa-hackathon.org/qa2012/donate.html

Our budget is public, so you can get a better view of how much
sponsors are giving, and how much we need:
http://2012.qa-hackathon.org/qa2012/budget.html

Any surplus from the event will be passed on in full to the
organizers of the next Perl QA Hackathon (scheduled for 2013).

Thanks a lot in advance,

Philippe Bruhat,
Laurent Boivin,
Perl QA Hackathon 2012 organizers




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From ElectionMethods at VoteFair.org  Mon Jan 30 21:56:16 2012
From: ElectionMethods at VoteFair.org (Richard Fobes)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:56:16 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] March topic: VoteFair ranking: Math-based voting power for
	the 99%
Message-ID: <4F278280.1020904@VoteFair.org>

# from Eric Wilhelm
> From our discussion thus far, I have tentatively added the following:
>  March2012Meeting - Richard on Voting::VoteFairRanking
> ...
> We'll need Richard to confirm availability ...

Yes, I'm available -- Thursday March 8 (right?) -- and I look forward to 
giving this presentation.  FYI, two Perl Mongers besides Eric privately 
expressed interest in this presentation.  Here are the presentation details:

Title: VoteFair ranking: Math-based voting power for the 99%

Description:

"Just-released open-source software that implements VoteFair ranking is 
now available to help us reach higher levels of voting fairness.  You do 
voting when you click on Google results, and you use voting results when 
you view the star rating of an Amazon product.  Now learn how voting 
really works, how it is usually miscalculated -- intentionally in the 
case of elections -- and how it can be done to fully extract the wisdom 
in a group.  Learn the math behind the puppet strings that connect 
politicians to the biggest campaign contributors.  (Partial spoiler: The 
biggest unfairness is hidden in primary elections.)  Also learn the math 
that eventually will cut those puppet strings.  Along the way you will 
learn that there are different kinds of popularity."

Planned duration: 40-45 minutes plus(!) discussion time
(If that's too long, I can leave out some material -- somehow.)
Requirement: projector

Last Thursday I gave this presentation to the (language-agnostic) 
Westside Proggers group and it was clearly appreciated, and the 
interactions were fun and insightful (for me as well as them).

BTW, I attended a PDX Perl Mongers meeting a few years ago, so I'm not a 
complete stranger.  And I've been programming in Perl since shortly 
after the transition from version 4 to version 5.

Richard Fobes
Author of "Ending The Hidden Unfairness In U.S. Elections"
and "The Creative Problem Solver's Toolbox"
Creator of the Dashrep programming language (the Dashrep engine is in 
the CPAN archives at: Language::Dashrep)