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From jaleto at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 10:24:10 2010
From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:24:10 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Calagator link for our next meeting
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Howdy,

Here is a handy calagator link for our next meeting, which allows you
to export to various calendar formats:

http://calagator.org/events/1250459532

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From jaleto at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 10:27:09 2010
From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:27:09 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] December PDX.pm Meeting This Wednesday Dec. 8th
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=-FAno_YzfBWS-RkuR5AJN=7B55MBzyif++Yww@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

Wed. December 8th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek ? 1731 SE 10th Ave.

We will be having three lightning-ish talks at PDX.pm this month.

Perl and Parrot in Google Code-In : Highlights and How To Get Involved
-- Jonathan "Duke" Leto

Tool::Bench : A Generalized Benchmarking Framework for Just About Anything
-- Ben Hengst

Graphics in Software Documentation : Why The Void?
-- Otto Hirr

Please come by and be sure to come hang out afterwards at the SE Lucky
Lab social hour, just a few blocks away.

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From nick2canz at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  7 15:44:24 2010
From: nick2canz at yahoo.com (Nick Wehr)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:44:24 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Configuration Management in Continuous Integration
	environments
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVmRYjme19TJU6SgFPSXL00oki5ZRvGoC12Czs@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

First off, beware, I'm a bit nutty when it comes to configuration
management. I've recently deployed a Hudson instance and wanted to move some
Catalyst projects into it. What I'd like to solicit feedback on here is: *how
are you managing your Perl dependencies in these build systems? *Here's some
goals I have:

   - do not assume any non-core modules are installed on the build platform
   - use specific version of modules in the built product - product is a
   Catalyst website for example (@inc or use lib)
   - need to archive specific version of CPAN dependencies offline; this
   means we can recreate a product without an internet connection
   - allow for the rebuild of dependencies when the build platform has
   changed; this is meant to address a platform change from 32bit to 64bit

What I'm looking at is either using local::lib or PREFIX & LIB w/ cpan. What
do you think?

Thanks in advance,
-nicholas
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From rmb32 at cornell.edu  Tue Dec  7 16:40:36 2010
From: rmb32 at cornell.edu (Robert Buels)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 16:40:36 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Configuration Management in Continuous
	Integration	environments
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I do exactly this.  I use Shipwright.

The Shipwright code is not very good.  It needs a rewrite.  It has lots 
of rough edges.

Shipwright bundles a bunch of dists together into a big super-dist kind 
of thing, and it has a build script that ties them together.  It can 
(buggily) crawl and import your dependencies when you import a Perl dist 
into it.

I use git to version this big ball of source code that Shipwright puts 
together for me.

Then, Shipwright can build the whole thing (compiling all the XS modules 
you have in there, etc) into a second ball of stuff under a single 
directory, which is deployable.

I take this directory and put it into a Debian package for deployment on 
our machines.

This all works pretty well.  The downsides are a.) the Shipwright code 
itself is fugly, making its many bugs hard to fix, and b.) Shipwright 
can't (or at least I haven't figured out how to make it) restart a 
failed build, which makes troubleshooting build problems time-consuming.

But all in all, this works pretty well.  You have snapshots of all the 
app's dependencies, and you can deploy the app to a machine without 
assuming any non-core modules.

If you want, grab dukeleto or me in #pdx-pm or at one of the meetings, 
and you can git-clone our deployment repo (several GB) and play around 
with it.

Rob

Nick Wehr wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> First off, beware, I'm a bit nutty when it comes to configuration 
> management. I've recently deployed a Hudson instance and wanted to move 
> some Catalyst projects into it. What I'd like to solicit feedback on 
> here is: /how are you managing your Perl dependencies in these build 
> systems? /Here's some goals I have:
> 
>     * do not assume any non-core modules are installed on the build platform
>     * use specific version of modules in the built product - product is
>       a Catalyst website for example (@inc or use lib)
>     * need to archive specific version of CPAN dependencies offline;
>       this means we can recreate a product without an internet connection
>     * allow for the rebuild of dependencies when the build platform has
>       changed; this is meant to address a platform change from 32bit to
>       64bit
> 
> What I'm looking at is either using local::lib or PREFIX & LIB w/ cpan. 
> What do you think?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> -nicholas
> 
> 
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From kyle at idealist.org  Wed Dec  8 16:59:30 2010
From: kyle at idealist.org (Kyle Dawkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:59:30 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Bad news, but some good news buried there
Message-ID: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>

Hey PDX perl folks

Just a quick note to shed a tear over the platform switch that just occurred here at Idealist.org.  

Since 1995, we (a small non-profit) ran a large, 100% mod_perl-based website (100K unique users per day, 1.2m registered users, millions of page views per week).   Over the past decade or so, we developed a very large web framework, its own custom-written ORM, some cool i18n functionality, clever cascading caching systems, etc.

The bad news is that on Sunday, we switched over to 100% Python-based system built from the ground up on newer tools (like the excellent SqlAlchemy), and running on a whole lot more servers.  The team of Python programmers who built it are a super talented bunch of peeps and they deserve great credit for their work, even though it's in Python! :)

The good news is that the Perl backend of the old site has been retired, and I've been given permission to open source all of the framework code.  Not really a huge consolation, I know, but maybe there's something useful in there to someone!  I am thinking maybe not, but you never know; there's a huge amount of good stuff in there... after all, it's served over a billion pages from a relatively small server setup.

At some point in the very near future, when I get a second, I'll put it up on github.

Cheers

Kyle
kyle at idealist.org

From szabgab at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 21:51:53 2010
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:51:53 +0200
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Bad news, but some good news buried there
In-Reply-To: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>
References: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinnw7oMkXF0eK+dk0u2wK=ad8vi7BAHDDOoB=mL@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kyle,

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Kyle Dawkins <kyle at idealist.org> wrote:

> The bad news is that on Sunday, we switched over to 100% Python-based system built from the ground up

IMHO it is sad but I'd like to understand why did this happen and how
was the process that lead to the development of a new system?
Why did they choose a different language than they already had?

regards

Gabor
http://szabgab.com/

From szabgab at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 22:46:25 2010
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:46:25 +0200
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Perl Mongers booth at SCALE 9x and (late) Call for papers
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=-3FMMPAi+C-67kF_rKhuruYkKgmm6Emwt317x@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikJWGZgSwkt7nJ-AKdYzWMU2dUepMePqsau7VfQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTi=djwRZgP0wc4xS37Amt9czQTC07PhCvOV=ik_n@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

It's a bit late and SCALE is not exactly next door to you but I hope
there are going to be a few people from Portland.pm who are interested
in this.

SCALE 9x ?The Southern California Linux Expo
http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ that is going to take place between
25-27 February 2011 in Los Angeles.

We are going to have a Perl Mongers booth there and we
need some help to be at that booth. More urgently, there
is still a chance to submit a talk proposal and present a Perl
based solution to some real world problem.

The dead-line is less than a week away so please hurry up
submitting your talk proposals.

13 Dec, 2010: Deadline for abstracts/proposals submissions
============

So please rush to their web site and submit a talk.

BTW we are using the TPF wiki to coordinate our presence at SCALE:
https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?events_2011_scale9x


regards
? Gabor

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From kyle at idealist.org  Wed Dec  8 23:28:09 2010
From: kyle at idealist.org (Kyle Dawkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:28:09 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Bad news, but some good news buried there
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinnw7oMkXF0eK+dk0u2wK=ad8vi7BAHDDOoB=mL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>
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Gabor

On Dec 8, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> The bad news is that on Sunday, we switched over to 100% Python-based system built from the ground up
> 
> IMHO it is sad but I'd like to understand why did this happen and how
> was the process that lead to the development of a new system?
> Why did they choose a different language than they already had?

Well, these things are never simple.  We'd grown a huge system over the years, and being a small non-profit, we'd never had the resources to "take out the garbage".  Our applications had accumulated a lot of "decay" over the years, and we had never once had time to go back and fix our "FIXMEs" and do our "TODOs".   Our site was also ugly, and didn't live up to modern post-Web-2.0 standards in terms of xhtml strictness, buzzword compliance and full-light-boxed-fanciness that everyone seems to expect these days.  I think this led to that irresistible urge that developers get to "rebuild from scratch", and I was essentially the lone voice of dissent.  I advocated spending some time cleaning things up and taking the time to do things we'd never been able to do, but instead the decision came down to rebuild from zero using more "modern" tools.

How it came to be Python is also complicated, but when this decision was made almost 3 years ago, Python was experiencing a huge upsurge in popularity thanks to Django (which, incidentally, we didn't use at all for the new version of the site) and this swayed the popular vote.   I suspect if we had the same decision to make now, we'd choose something else.  But it worked out well; we were able to hire some smart Python developers and the team built something cool.  It's not so hot for me, as I now have to write Python code, which in turn makes me want to stab my eyes out... :)

Over the course of the last decade+, we internally implemented and/or invented things that are now commonplace in other environments (page and component caching in memcache, advanced ORM techniques, complicated skinning and i18n techniques, code-free templates, etc... it's all in the framework that I'll open source soon).  That tells me that we were doing things right, but it also makes me sad that it's all getting tossed.

That's how it goes, I suppose!

Cheers

Kyle
kyle at idealist.org



From szabgab at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 00:55:16 2010
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:55:16 +0200
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Bad news, but some good news buried there
In-Reply-To: <BF262E03-86B0-4359-A582-75E3EBBC5530@idealist.org>
References: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>
	<AANLkTinnw7oMkXF0eK+dk0u2wK=ad8vi7BAHDDOoB=mL@mail.gmail.com>
	<BF262E03-86B0-4359-A582-75E3EBBC5530@idealist.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinC_qZNmPr2tueZJgeMPW=tu+L-mE-ORjs8mOT6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Kyle Dawkins <kyle at idealist.org> wrote:
>
> How it came to be Python is also complicated, but when this decision was made almost 3 years ago, Python was experiencing a huge upsurge in popularity thanks to Django (which, incidentally, we didn't use at all for the new version of the site) and this swayed the popular vote. ? I suspect if we had the same decision to make now, we'd choose something else. ?But it worked out well; we were able to hire some smart Python developers and the team built something cool.

May I further nag you and ask why do you think the decision would be
different and what do you think would be considered and maybe even
selected?

Gabor


-- 
Gabor Szabo? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://szabgab.com/
Perl Ecosystem Group ? ? ? http://perl-ecosystem.org/

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 07:20:56 2010
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:20:56 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Bad news, but some good news buried there
In-Reply-To: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>
References: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinRt=CwyvzMtSY9681jQWNOQU4ko7ZEtZTYNkgi@mail.gmail.com>

I think that I've had very similar conversations at just about every
job. I completely understand that sometimes it is just better to start
over, sad to see it go, but I'm anxiously awaiting seeing it up on
github. I would love to compare what you had and what we are currently
running at work.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 16:59, Kyle Dawkins <kyle at idealist.org> wrote:
> Hey PDX perl folks
>
> Just a quick note to shed a tear over the platform switch that just occurred here at Idealist.org.
>
> Since 1995, we (a small non-profit) ran a large, 100% mod_perl-based website (100K unique users per day, 1.2m registered users, millions of page views per week). ? Over the past decade or so, we developed a very large web framework, its own custom-written ORM, some cool i18n functionality, clever cascading caching systems, etc.
>
> The bad news is that on Sunday, we switched over to 100% Python-based system built from the ground up on newer tools (like the excellent SqlAlchemy), and running on a whole lot more servers. ?The team of Python programmers who built it are a super talented bunch of peeps and they deserve great credit for their work, even though it's in Python! :)
>
> The good news is that the Perl backend of the old site has been retired, and I've been given permission to open source all of the framework code. ?Not really a huge consolation, I know, but maybe there's something useful in there to someone! ?I am thinking maybe not, but you never know; there's a huge amount of good stuff in there... after all, it's served over a billion pages from a relatively small server setup.
>
> At some point in the very near future, when I get a second, I'll put it up on github.
>
> Cheers
>
> Kyle
> kyle at idealist.org
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 
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http://three.sentenc.es/

From jaleto at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 14:30:10 2010
From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:30:10 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Perl Mongers booth at SCALE 9x and (late) Call for
	papers
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=djwRZgP0wc4xS37Amt9czQTC07PhCvOV=ik_n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikJWGZgSwkt7nJ-AKdYzWMU2dUepMePqsau7VfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-3FMMPAi+C-67kF_rKhuruYkKgmm6Emwt317x@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=djwRZgP0wc4xS37Amt9czQTC07PhCvOV=ik_n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikwc7QYfS3wt1VFjw-5mzMjiEBdAEpXpdo+bv3P@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

Thanks for making this happen Gabor. I will be submitting a talk or three.

Duke

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Gabor Szabo <szabgab at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi,
>
> It's a bit late and SCALE is not exactly next door to you but I hope
> there are going to be a few people from Portland.pm who are interested
> in this.
>
> SCALE 9x ?The Southern California Linux Expo
> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ that is going to take place between
> 25-27 February 2011 in Los Angeles.
>
> We are going to have a Perl Mongers booth there and we
> need some help to be at that booth. More urgently, there
> is still a chance to submit a talk proposal and present a Perl
> based solution to some real world problem.
>
> The dead-line is less than a week away so please hurry up
> submitting your talk proposals.
>
> 13 Dec, 2010: Deadline for abstracts/proposals submissions
> ============
>
> So please rush to their web site and submit a talk.
>
> BTW we are using the TPF wiki to coordinate our presence at SCALE:
> https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?events_2011_scale9x
>
>
> regards
> ? Gabor
>
> --
> Gabor Szabo ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://szabgab.com/
> Perl Ecosystem Group ? ? ? http://perl-ecosystem.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>



-- 
Jonathan "Duke" Leto
jonathan at leto.net
http://leto.net

From fashizzlepop at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 15:13:05 2010
From: fashizzlepop at gmail.com (Brady Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:13:05 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] December PDX.pm Meeting This Wednesday Dec. 8th
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=-FAno_YzfBWS-RkuR5AJN=7B55MBzyif++Yww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-FAno_YzfBWS-RkuR5AJN=7B55MBzyif++Yww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D7B5E8A-875D-4258-A230-BA549435208B@gmail.com>

Hey guys,
Is there any way I could get my hands on any slides for the meeting last night? Unfortunately I couldn't make it. 

Thanks,
Brady

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jonathan Leto <jaleto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
> Wed. December 8th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek ? 1731 SE 10th Ave.
> 
> We will be having three lightning-ish talks at PDX.pm this month.
> 
> Perl and Parrot in Google Code-In : Highlights and How To Get Involved
> -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto
> 
> Tool::Bench : A Generalized Benchmarking Framework for Just About Anything
> -- Ben Hengst
> 
> Graphics in Software Documentation : Why The Void?
> -- Otto Hirr
> 
> Please come by and be sure to come hang out afterwards at the SE Lucky
> Lab social hour, just a few blocks away.
> 
> http://calagator.org/events/1250459532
> 
> Duke
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan "Duke" Leto
> jonathan at leto.net
> http://leto.net
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list

From ingy at ingy.net  Thu Dec  9 16:48:53 2010
From: ingy at ingy.net (Ingy dot Net)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:48:53 +1100
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Bad news, but some good news buried there
In-Reply-To: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>
References: <5AB8159A-6F61-47D0-A8CE-F7ABB8FCA52B@idealist.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfwOGvkj+d0-a4OFb3k8rLh3cKmAK7-BDRs+10@mail.gmail.com>

I'm confused. What's the bad news?

Is it that some Perl was replaced with some Python?

People, these languages are two members of the same family. Like brother and
sister. I program in both almost every day. Sometimes on projects that use
both together. The secret to good modern programming is finding good
components and also good people. Perl and Python are rife with both.

Going from open to closed is bad news. Nothing bad to see here. Move
along...

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Kyle Dawkins <kyle at idealist.org> wrote:

> Hey PDX perl folks
>
> Just a quick note to shed a tear over the platform switch that just
> occurred here at Idealist.org.
>
> Since 1995, we (a small non-profit) ran a large, 100% mod_perl-based
> website (100K unique users per day, 1.2m registered users, millions of page
> views per week).   Over the past decade or so, we developed a very large web
> framework, its own custom-written ORM, some cool i18n functionality, clever
> cascading caching systems, etc.
>
> The bad news is that on Sunday, we switched over to 100% Python-based
> system built from the ground up on newer tools (like the excellent
> SqlAlchemy), and running on a whole lot more servers.  The team of Python
> programmers who built it are a super talented bunch of peeps and they
> deserve great credit for their work, even though it's in Python! :)
>
> The good news is that the Perl backend of the old site has been retired,
> and I've been given permission to open source all of the framework code.
>  Not really a huge consolation, I know, but maybe there's something useful
> in there to someone!  I am thinking maybe not, but you never know; there's a
> huge amount of good stuff in there... after all, it's served over a billion
> pages from a relatively small server setup.
>
> At some point in the very near future, when I get a second, I'll put it up
> on github.
>
> Cheers
>
> Kyle
> kyle at idealist.org
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>
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From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 20:40:41 2010
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:40:41 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] December PDX.pm Meeting This Wednesday Dec. 8th
In-Reply-To: <8D7B5E8A-875D-4258-A230-BA549435208B@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-FAno_YzfBWS-RkuR5AJN=7B55MBzyif++Yww@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D7B5E8A-875D-4258-A230-BA549435208B@gmail.com>
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Last night was in the classroom so I ended up just talking but here
are the slides that I made up:

http://develonizer.com/talks/tool_bench


On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 15:13, Brady Sullivan <fashizzlepop at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Is there any way I could get my hands on any slides for the meeting last night? Unfortunately I couldn't make it.
>
> Thanks,
> Brady
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jonathan Leto <jaleto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Wed. December 8th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek ? 1731 SE 10th Ave.
>>
>> We will be having three lightning-ish talks at PDX.pm this month.
>>
>> Perl and Parrot in Google Code-In : Highlights and How To Get Involved
>> -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto
>>
>> Tool::Bench : A Generalized Benchmarking Framework for Just About Anything
>> -- Ben Hengst
>>
>> Graphics in Software Documentation : Why The Void?
>> -- Otto Hirr
>>
>> Please come by and be sure to come hang out afterwards at the SE Lucky
>> Lab social hour, just a few blocks away.
>>
>> http://calagator.org/events/1250459532
>>
>> Duke
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan "Duke" Leto
>> jonathan at leto.net
>> http://leto.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list



-- 
benh~

http://three.sentenc.es/

From igal at pragmaticraft.com  Fri Dec 10 10:57:44 2010
From: igal at pragmaticraft.com (Igal Koshevoy)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:57:44 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT: Winter Coders' Social - Tuesday, December 14th,
	6-11pm at ShopIgniter
Message-ID: <AANLkTim+TBtPXJX-0mh60bdXvgDSVw_NL1q0muFxf1=g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Perl Mongers,

WHAT
    Come join Portland's tech community and celebrate the closing of another
year. This is a fun, free annual event that members of many local user
groups get together at to mingle, eat and play games. This is the fourth
time the event's been held and it's been lots of fun every time. Please
bring a game to share if you have one! Bring something yummy to the potluck!
See you there!

WHEN
    Tuesday, December 14, 2010 from 6?11pm

WHERE
    Shopigniter Office
    411 NW Park ave, Suite 303
    Portland OR 97209

Add this event to your calendar: http://calagator.org/events/1250459402

-igal
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From jeff at zeroclue.com  Fri Dec 10 11:31:03 2010
From: jeff at zeroclue.com (Jeff Lavallee)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:31:03 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] December PDX.pm Meeting This Wednesday Dec. 8th
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=deSYh5KinwOkL8EzCReODxuYjVsNJy-y1RQfG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-FAno_YzfBWS-RkuR5AJN=7B55MBzyif++Yww@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D7B5E8A-875D-4258-A230-BA549435208B@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=deSYh5KinwOkL8EzCReODxuYjVsNJy-y1RQfG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5C4260E-988F-456B-92F5-28151301E7AA@zeroclue.com>

I ran across this project on reddit today - given the discussions we had after this week's meeting, it seems like it might be of interest to some folks.  It lets you create diagrams from ascii art.  Surprisingly, it's implemented in Java.  Perhaps a perl port would make a fun hackathon project?


http://ditaa.org/ditaa/


On Dec 9, 2010, at 8:40 PM, benh wrote:

> Last night was in the classroom so I ended up just talking but here
> are the slides that I made up:
> 
> http://develonizer.com/talks/tool_bench
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 15:13, Brady Sullivan <fashizzlepop at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> Is there any way I could get my hands on any slides for the meeting last night? Unfortunately I couldn't make it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brady
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jonathan Leto <jaleto at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Howdy,
>>> 
>>> Wed. December 8th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek ? 1731 SE 10th Ave.
>>> 
>>> We will be having three lightning-ish talks at PDX.pm this month.
>>> 
>>> Perl and Parrot in Google Code-In : Highlights and How To Get Involved
>>> -- Jonathan "Duke" Leto
>>> 
>>> Tool::Bench : A Generalized Benchmarking Framework for Just About Anything
>>> -- Ben Hengst
>>> 
>>> Graphics in Software Documentation : Why The Void?
>>> -- Otto Hirr
>>> 
>>> Please come by and be sure to come hang out afterwards at the SE Lucky
>>> Lab social hour, just a few blocks away.
>>> 
>>> http://calagator.org/events/1250459532
>>> 
>>> Duke
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jonathan "Duke" Leto
>>> jonathan at leto.net
>>> http://leto.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> benh~
> 
> http://three.sentenc.es/
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list


From enobacon at gmail.com  Sat Dec 11 12:42:36 2010
From: enobacon at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:42:36 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] ascii art
In-Reply-To: <D5C4260E-988F-456B-92F5-28151301E7AA@zeroclue.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-FAno_YzfBWS-RkuR5AJN=7B55MBzyif++Yww@mail.gmail.com>
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	<D5C4260E-988F-456B-92F5-28151301E7AA@zeroclue.com>
Message-ID: <201012111242.36635.enobacon@gmail.com>

# from Jeff Lavallee
# on Friday 10 December 2010 11:31:

>I ran across this project on reddit today - given the discussions we
> had after this week's meeting, it seems like it might be of interest
> to some folks. ?It lets you create diagrams from ascii art.
> ?Surprisingly, it's implemented in Java. ?Perhaps a perl port would
> make a fun hackathon project?
>
>
>http://ditaa.org/ditaa/

Was App::Asciio mentioned?  It is a gtk app which (IIRC) only draws and 
saves diagrams.  Apparently it also allows you to save in a data-model 
(non-ascii) format which allows further editing.

--Eric
-- 
"Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana."
--Groucho Marx
---------------------------------------------------
    http://scratchcomputing.com
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From szabgab at gmail.com  Sat Dec 11 12:57:50 2010
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:57:50 +0200
Subject: [Pdx-pm] visiting SCALE in LA and introducing PEG in Portland
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknBQhiVHSDY_EOzUoSk-69HvzCafA6s82v3yPp@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

some of you might have already read about the initiative of
Renee Baecker and myself called Perl Ecosystem Group[1].

In short, we are trying to engage the companies using Perl,
understanding what they are missing from the Perl world,
(so far it was mostly more developers), raising money from them,
promoting Perl and channeling some funds to the Perl community.

I am thinking of visiting SCALE in February and using this opportunity
to visit the "near-by"[2] cities with Perl Mongers but I need your
help for this.

Such visit would be a lot more useful if I can
1) introduce the Perl Ecosystem Group and the TPF events group
   to the local Perl Mongers (e.g. having an regular meeting) where,
   along the other presentations I could talk a few minutes about
   the initiative.

   That would provide an opportunity for people to discuss what we are
   trying to do and see how that can work with the local Perl Mongers.

2) Have meetings at a few Perl using companies in the area.
    I had such meeting in Vienna last April and two of the companies I
    met there are already member of PEG. Others remained interested.
    I think it is important to have such face to face meetings.

The former can be at any non-formal place such as you usual meeting
place or at a pub or whatever you like.

For the latter I'd need your help in building up contacts with managers
(e.g. CTOs, VP RnDs ) of the companies where you work. I'd be glad to
accept any help there.

Please send me e-mail on or off list regarding which companies you
might be able to get me introduced.

regards
  Gabor
[1] Perl Ecosystem Group       http://perl-ecosystem.org/
[2] coming from Israel, the whole West Coast of US is near-by to LA :)

-- 
Gabor Szabo
http://szabgab.com/

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Sat Dec 11 18:52:46 2010
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:52:46 -0800
Subject: [Pdx-pm] ascii art
In-Reply-To: <201012111242.36635.enobacon@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-FAno_YzfBWS-RkuR5AJN=7B55MBzyif++Yww@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=deSYh5KinwOkL8EzCReODxuYjVsNJy-y1RQfG@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5C4260E-988F-456B-92F5-28151301E7AA@zeroclue.com>
	<201012111242.36635.enobacon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimXhLJtTDaH+5Oa9=qJLWaqvRjfkTB739UNTThT@mail.gmail.com>

Yup, Asciio as well as inkscape, dot/graphviz, dia and a handfull of
other visio clones.

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:42, Eric Wilhelm <enobacon at gmail.com> wrote:
> # from Jeff Lavallee
> # on Friday 10 December 2010 11:31:
>
>>I ran across this project on reddit today - given the discussions we
>> had after this week's meeting, it seems like it might be of interest
>> to some folks. ?It lets you create diagrams from ascii art.
>> ?Surprisingly, it's implemented in Java. ?Perhaps a perl port would
>> make a fun hackathon project?
>>
>>
>>http://ditaa.org/ditaa/
>
> Was App::Asciio mentioned? ?It is a gtk app which (IIRC) only draws and
> saves diagrams. ?Apparently it also allows you to save in a data-model
> (non-ascii) format which allows further editing.
>
> --Eric
> --
> "Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana."
> --Groucho Marx
> ---------------------------------------------------
> ? ?http://scratchcomputing.com
> ---------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
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http://three.sentenc.es/

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 10:01:06 2010
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:01:06 -0800
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From pagaltzis at gmx.de  Tue Dec 14 10:52:37 2010
From: pagaltzis at gmx.de (Aristotle Pagaltzis)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:52:37 +0100
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Configuration Management in Continuous Integration
	environments
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* Robert Buels <rmb32 at cornell.edu> [2010-12-08 01:45]:
> Then, Shipwright can build the whole thing (compiling all the
> XS modules you have in there, etc) into a second ball of stuff
> under a single directory, which is deployable.

Do not miss this simple fact:
http://blog.plover.com/prog/lib.html

Regards,
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