From krisb at ring.org  Wed Oct  3 12:01:54 2007
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Parrot on Windows
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031149520.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>


	Hey, I am interested in starting to try out Parrot.  Since I am
doing all my work on Windows these days (=() I am trying to get it built
there.  It seems like a good time since it sounds like there is a mostly
working LUA port and I am also interested in learning LUA.

	I am trying to get compilation working with the microsoft Visual
Studio stuff, but I am not familiar enough to know how to run it outside
of the IDE.  I found this web page:

http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/msvc.html

which mentions: cl foo.c

So I tried:

"c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\vcvars32.bat"
parrot-0.4.16>perl Configure.pl
--cc="c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\cl.exe"
--link="C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\link.exe"

but I got:

...
Finding header files distributed with
Parrot..........................done.
Determining what C compiler and linker to use...Compilation failed with
'c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\cl.exe'


I don't see any specific directions in the readme or in online searching.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

-Kris


From allison at perl.org  Wed Oct  3 12:28:44 2007
From: allison at perl.org (Allison Randal)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:28:44 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Parrot on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031149520.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031149520.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <4703ED6C.9010701@perl.org>

I don't have a Windows dev machine, but I've copied Jerry, one of our 
most active Windows developers in Parrot.

Allison

Kris Bosland wrote:
> 	Hey, I am interested in starting to try out Parrot.  Since I am
> doing all my work on Windows these days (=() I am trying to get it built
> there.  It seems like a good time since it sounds like there is a mostly
> working LUA port and I am also interested in learning LUA.
> 
> 	I am trying to get compilation working with the microsoft Visual
> Studio stuff, but I am not familiar enough to know how to run it outside
> of the IDE.  I found this web page:
> 
> http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/msvc.html
> 
> which mentions: cl foo.c
> 
> So I tried:
> 
> "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\vcvars32.bat"
> parrot-0.4.16>perl Configure.pl
> --cc="c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\cl.exe"
> --link="C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\link.exe"
> 
> but I got:
> 
> ..
> Finding header files distributed with
> Parrot..........................done.
> Determining what C compiler and linker to use...Compilation failed with
> 'c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\cl.exe'
> 
> 
> I don't see any specific directions in the readme or in online searching.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Kris
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
> 
> 

From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 12:40:47 2007
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:40:47 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Parrot on Windows
In-Reply-To: <4703ED6C.9010701@perl.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031149520.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>
	<4703ED6C.9010701@perl.org>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400710031240v3e4fddf5k19e4b7842b64f441@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/07, Allison Randal <allison at perl.org> wrote:
> I don't have a Windows dev machine, but I've copied Jerry, one of our
> most active Windows developers in Parrot.
>
thanks, allison, i'll help kris. btw i joined the pdx-pm list some
time ago, so i'll catch the whole thread without anybody remembering
to copy me directly.

> Kris Bosland wrote:
> >       Hey, I am interested in starting to try out Parrot.  Since I am
> > doing all my work on Windows these days (=() I am trying to get it built
> > there.  It seems like a good time since it sounds like there is a mostly
> > working LUA port and I am also interested in learning LUA.
> >
great news, kris. welcome!

> >       I am trying to get compilation working with the microsoft Visual
> > Studio stuff, but I am not familiar enough to know how to run it outside
> > of the IDE.  I found this web page:
> >
> > http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/msvc.html
> >
> > which mentions: cl foo.c
> >
> > So I tried:
> >
> > "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\vcvars32.bat"
> > parrot-0.4.16>perl Configure.pl
> > --cc="c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\cl.exe"
> > --link="C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\link.exe"
> >
> > but I got:
> >
> > ..
> > Finding header files distributed with
> > Parrot..........................done.
> > Determining what C compiler and linker to use...Compilation failed with
> > 'c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\bin\cl.exe'
> >
> >
> > I don't see any specific directions in the readme or in online searching.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
you should look at README.win32.pod, in the top level directory of the
parrot distribution. there you'll find instructions for setting up
parrot using ms, borland, mingw, and intel compiler toolchains. i
believe these documents to be up to date, and if they are not, i'd
appreciate knowing where you run into trouble. one of the difficulties
in keeping these documents up to date is that README files are
typically read-once--once there env is set up, there's no need to
re-read.

if you have troubles, you can post here, parrot-porters at perl.org, or
mail me directly. and you'll just about always find me (particle) at
irc.perl.org#parrot.

good luck!
~jerry

From krisb at ring.org  Wed Oct  3 12:39:38 2007
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:39:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Parrot on Windows
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400710031240v3e4fddf5k19e4b7842b64f441@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031226010.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>



On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, jerry gay wrote:

> great news, kris. welcome!

	Hi, thanks!  =)

>
> > >       I am trying to get compilation working with the microsoft Visual
> > > Studio stuff, but I am not familiar enough to know how to run it outside
> > >
> you should look at README.win32.pod, in the top level directory of the
>
> if you have troubles, you can post here, parrot-porters at perl.org, or
> mail me directly. and you'll just about always find me (particle) at
> irc.perl.org#parrot.
>
> good luck!
> ~jerry

Thanks.  I am looking at:

# $Id: README.win32.pod 18551 2007-05-15 18:50:08Z fperrad $

I believe this is the file you are referring to.

As I was going to read this file carefully and give you feedback, I
created a test.c simple file to confirm operation of the VC compiler.  It
compiled and worked, and after that "perl Configure.pl" was able to get
past the compile issues.  I am guessing that there was some setup that
cl.exe (the VC command line executable) was able to figure out with my
simple command line, but before that was done the more complex command
line in the Configure.pl script was failing.

Right now, I am building with nmake, and I will run nmake test and let you
know if it works.  I would recommend adding a suggestion in README.win32
for a simple offline test, or include a simple test in Configure.pl, or
perhaps print out the command line of the failed test after Configure.pl
fails so that users can experiment or receive compiler support from there.

Thank you for your quick response, and I look forward to joining the
Parrot club!

-Kris


From krisb at ring.org  Wed Oct  3 13:03:11 2007
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Parrot on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031226010.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031302150.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>


nmake test results:

Failed Test                    Stat Wstat Total Fail  Failed  List of
Failed
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
t/compilers/pge/p5regex/p5rx.t              960    5   0.52%  78-80
135-136
t/examples/library.t              1   256     4    1  25.00%  2
t/examples/pasm.t                 1   256     6    1  16.67%  5
t/examples/shootout.t             3   768    20    3  15.00%  5 16-17
t/library/streams.t               2   512    20    2  10.00%  13 17
t/op/sprintf.t                              308  128  41.56%  11-13 33
37-45 47
                                                              51-61 63 65
67-68
                                                              100-113
115-121
                                                              124-130
133-140
                                                              142-143 145
148-
                                                              151 154-156
158-
                                                              160 162-165
167-
                                                              184 194-196
198-
                                                              199 205-209
211-
                                                              213 216-222
225-
                                                              232
15 tests and 623 subtests skipped.
Failed 6/333 test scripts, 98.20% okay. 140/7848 subtests failed, 98.22%
okay.
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: 'C:\Perl\bin\perl.exe' : return code '0xff'
Stop.


On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Kris Bosland wrote:

>
> Right now, I am building with nmake, and I will run nmake test and let you
> know if it works.  I would recommend adding a suggestion in README.win32
> for a simple offline test, or include a simple test in Configure.pl, or
> perhaps print out the command line of the failed test after Configure.pl
> fails so that users can experiment or receive compiler support from there.
>
> Thank you for your quick response, and I look forward to joining the
> Parrot club!
>
> -Kris
>


From krisb at ring.org  Wed Oct  3 13:40:50 2007
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Parrot on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031302150.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0710031338220.14372-100000@ender.ring.org>


Well, I guess LUA does not work at a basic level on Windows yet:

\parrot\parrot-0.4.16\languages\lua>..\..\parrot.exe lua.pbc
Lua 5.1 on Parrot  Copyright (C) 2005-2007, The Perl Foundation.
> print (2+2)
Method 'setfenv' not found
> print(2+2)
Method 'setfenv' not found
>

I noticed this a couple of times in the nmake test for lua:

#          got: 'lua.pbc: EVAL_1:45: cannot open xpto: Win32 is not POSIX.
Need Win32 developer!

so maybe there are still known issues.

If I have time, I may try to hunt up the 'setfenv' Method.

Thanks.

-Kris


From kellert at ohsu.edu  Fri Oct  5 14:47:09 2007
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Thomas Keller)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:47:09 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] DBI:SQLite and parameters
Message-ID: <5F6CD16B-4475-4B9F-B5CE-86D79614C740@ohsu.edu>

Greetings,
How does one use parameters wit SQLite via DBI?
I can't seem to find a decent on-line reference.

thanks,
Tom

Thomas J Keller PhD
kellert at ohsu.edu
4-2442


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From chromatic at wgz.org  Fri Oct  5 14:54:28 2007
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:54:28 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] DBI:SQLite and parameters
In-Reply-To: <5F6CD16B-4475-4B9F-B5CE-86D79614C740@ohsu.edu>
References: <5F6CD16B-4475-4B9F-B5CE-86D79614C740@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <200710051454.28593.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Friday 05 October 2007 14:47:09 Thomas Keller wrote:

> How does one use parameters wit SQLite via DBI?
> I can't seem to find a decent on-line reference.

What kind of parameters would you like to use?  I can think of connection 
parameters and bind parameters, but the answer's different for either.

-- c

From kellert at ohsu.edu  Fri Oct  5 15:25:06 2007
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Thomas Keller)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] DBI:SQLite and parameters
In-Reply-To: <200710051454.28593.chromatic@wgz.org>
References: <5F6CD16B-4475-4B9F-B5CE-86D79614C740@ohsu.edu>
	<200710051454.28593.chromatic@wgz.org>
Message-ID: <059B2B18-C2E3-4499-92AA-45BD23AAA16A@ohsu.edu>

I think I found it:
Instead of a '?' (as with PostgreSQL) you use ':1', etc.

Other than that DBI handles it in a standard way.

thanks,
Tom

Thomas J Keller PhD
kellert at ohsu.edu
4-2442


On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:54 PM, chromatic wrote:

> On Friday 05 October 2007 14:47:09 Thomas Keller wrote:
>
>> How does one use parameters wit SQLite via DBI?
>> I can't seem to find a decent on-line reference.
>
> What kind of parameters would you like to use?  I can think of  
> connection
> parameters and bind parameters, but the answer's different for either.
>
> -- c


From jshirley at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 15:43:56 2007
From: jshirley at gmail.com (J. Shirley)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:43:56 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] DBI:SQLite and parameters
In-Reply-To: <059B2B18-C2E3-4499-92AA-45BD23AAA16A@ohsu.edu>
References: <5F6CD16B-4475-4B9F-B5CE-86D79614C740@ohsu.edu>
	<200710051454.28593.chromatic@wgz.org>
	<059B2B18-C2E3-4499-92AA-45BD23AAA16A@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <756703690710051543x37dfab20vb9440ada752a0584@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/5/07, Thomas Keller <kellert at ohsu.edu> wrote:
>
> I think I found it:
> Instead of a '?' (as with PostgreSQL) you use ':1', etc.
>
> Other than that DBI handles it in a standard way.
>
> thanks,
> Tom
>
> Thomas J Keller PhD
> kellert at ohsu.edu
> 4-2442


I think you have something weird going on -- you are talking about bind
parameters, and they are the same with SQLite -- from the DBD::SQLite docs:

    use DBI qw(:sql_types);
    $dbh->{unicode} = 1;
    my $sth = $dbh->prepare
         ("INSERT INTO mytable (blobcolumn) VALUES (?)");
    $sth->bind_param(1, $binary_data, SQL_BLOB); # binary_data will
    # be stored as-is.

Note the "bind_param" and the "?" in the ->prepare query.

-J
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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 16:41:25 2007
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:41:25 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] still no meeting topic?
Message-ID: <200710051641.25151.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Is there a concensus?  Schwern and/or lightning talks?  I'm roughly 
counting 4 lightning talks.  If nothing is decided, I guess we'll wing 
it.  Anyway... Wednesday.

--Eric
-- 

        http://pdx.pm.org

From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 07:14:00 2007
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:14:00 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] still no meeting topic?
In-Reply-To: <200710051641.25151.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200710051641.25151.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0710070714p69f4bee2xfe98c8246e4e644a@mail.gmail.com>

Schwern, I didn't look at the PPW schedule, are your talks full hour
talks? could we do both?

On 10/5/07, Seven till Seven <scratchcomputing at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a concensus?  Schwern and/or lightning talks?  I'm roughly
> counting 4 lightning talks.  If nothing is decided, I guess we'll wing
> it.  Anyway... Wednesday.
>
> --Eric
> --
>
>         http://pdx.pm.org
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>


-- 
benh~

From kellert at ohsu.edu  Mon Oct  8 15:45:17 2007
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Thomas Keller)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:45:17 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] SVN and template toolkit
Message-ID: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>

Hi,
I thought I'd give subversion a try. So checked out my website files  
that I maintain with ttree (template toolkit).
I had updated the ttree.cfg file for this project, but ttree gave a  
bunch of "Permission denied" messages trying to update to .svn/ 
various_directories.

Is there a trick to using template toolkit and subversions?

thanks,
Tom K

Thomas J Keller PhD
kellert at ohsu.edu
4-2442


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From randall at sonofhans.net  Mon Oct  8 16:03:13 2007
From: randall at sonofhans.net (Randall Hansen)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:03:13 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] SVN and template toolkit
In-Reply-To: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>
References: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <31015F5B-7A3A-4B09-83A9-CCD2DBE2C6DC@sonofhans.net>

On Oct 8, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Thomas Keller wrote:

> Is there a trick to using template toolkit and subversions?

maybe add this (or something like it) to your local ttree.cfg:

     ignore  = \b(CVS|RCS|svn|swp)\b

r


From teknotus at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 16:36:40 2007
From: teknotus at gmail.com (Daniel Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:36:40 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] SVN and template toolkit
In-Reply-To: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>
References: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <ec0b5e080710081636k6abc393bk73d6b8c993f898bb@mail.gmail.com>

> I thought I'd give subversion a try. So checked out my website files that I
> maintain with ttree (template toolkit).
> I had updated the ttree.cfg file for this project, but ttree gave a bunch of
> "Permission denied" messages trying to update to .svn/various_directories.

I would do an "svn export" after a checkout, and get a copy clean of
all the .svn mess.

-- 
teknotus
Take Notice

From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Tue Oct  9 02:03:16 2007
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:03:16 +0200
Subject: [Pdx-pm] SVN and template toolkit
In-Reply-To: <ec0b5e080710081636k6abc393bk73d6b8c993f898bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>
	<ec0b5e080710081636k6abc393bk73d6b8c993f898bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200710091103.17349.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

Hi!

On Tuesday 09 October 2007, Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > I thought I'd give subversion a try. So checked out my website files that
> > I maintain with ttree (template toolkit).
> > I had updated the ttree.cfg file for this project, but ttree gave a bunch
> > of "Permission denied" messages trying to update to
> > .svn/various_directories.
>
> I would do an "svn export" after a checkout, and get a copy clean of
> all the .svn mess.

Developing on an exported copy is not such a good idea. That's because you 
cannot check it in afterwards as is, add extra files, trace which extra files 
were added to the working copy, etc. Developing is harder because the 
directory tree you're working with is not a working copy, and you cannot use 
the "svn" commands to manipulate it.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Homepage:        http://www.shlomifish.org/

If it's not in my E-mail it doesn't happen. And if my E-mail is saying
one thing, and everything else says something else - E-mail will conquer.
    -- An Israeli Linuxer

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 17:12:19 2007
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] meeting tomorrow night
Message-ID: <200710091712.20038.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

October 10th at 6:53pm, Free Geek

From selenamarie at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 14:33:19 2007
From: selenamarie at gmail.com (Selena Deckelmann)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:33:19 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] PostgreSQL Conference Fall 2007, Registration closing soon!
Message-ID: <2b5e566d0710101433q6e72c0fdtb17e0501ba6b896f@mail.gmail.com>

PostgreSQL Conference Fall 2007 is a 1-day conference happening on
October 20, 2007 on the beautiful Portland State University campus.
PSU's Computer Science Graduate Student Council is graciously hosting
an excellent group of speakers made up of prominent PostgreSQL
consultants, developers and advocates.

We've had incredible interest in our conference, and will be closing
registration soon.

If you haven't registered yet, do it now!

http://www.postgresqlconference.org

Registration is free for students, although we are asking for a $10
donation for the after-party. For all others, the fee is $60 for the
conference and dinner.  All proceeds go directly to Software in the
Public Interest, a 501(c)3 non-profit, and will be used for PostgreSQL
advocacy.

For detailed descriptions of the speakers and talks, please visit:

http://www.postgresqlconference.org/talks/

And here's the schedule:

*  8:00 - 8:45 - Coffee / Breakfast / Social (provided at the conference)
* 8:45 - 9:00 - Joshua Drake - A word from our sponsors
* 9:00 - 9:25 - Josh Berkus - Welcome to 8.3
* 9:25 - 10:20 - David Wheeler - Web 2.0 (Rails) applications with PostgreSQL

 -- 10 minute break --

* 10:30 - 11:20 - Robert Hodges - Scaling PostgreSQL Performance with
uni/cluster
* 11:20 - 12:10 - Neil Conway - Understanding Query Execution in PostgreSQL

* 12:10 - 13:15 - LUNCH (on your own)

* 13:15 - 13:45 - Mark Wong - PostgreSQL Performance
* 13:45 - 14:15 - Joshua Drake - PL/Proxy and Horizontal Scaling
* 14:15 - 15:05 - Web Sprague - PostGIS (geographic database)

 -- 10 minute break --

* 15:15 - 16:05 - David Fetter - Babel of procedural languages
* 16:05 - 17:00 - Robert Treat - PostgreSQL Partitioning, semantics,
pitfalls and implementation
* 17:00 - 17:25 - Josh Berkus - Stupid Solaris tricks
* 17:25 - 17:30 - Closing Remarks, Thanks, Where's the party?
* 17:30 - 18:00 - Travel to dinner/party
* 18:00 -- Dinner/Party at the Paramount Hotel till they kick us out
(provided by conference)

And once again, thanks to our sponsors:

Command Prompt: http://www.commandprompt.com/
Continuent: http://www.continuent.com/
EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com/
Greenplum : http://www.greenplum.com/
Hyperic: http://www.hyperic.com/
OmniTI: http://www.omniti.com/
OTG: http://www.otg-nc.com/
Sun: http://www.sun.com/
Truviso: http://www.truviso.com/

Other Sponsors:

PDXPUG: http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx
PSU: http://www.pdx.edu



-- 
Selena Deckelmann
PDXPUG - Portland PostgreSQL Users Group
http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx
http://www.postgresqlconference.org

From schwern at pobox.com  Wed Oct 10 15:25:25 2007
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:25:25 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] still no meeting topic?
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0710070714p69f4bee2xfe98c8246e4e644a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200710051641.25151.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<85ddf48b0710070714p69f4bee2xfe98c8246e4e644a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <470D5155.9060101@pobox.com>

benh wrote:
> Schwern, I didn't look at the PPW schedule, are your talks full hour
> talks? could we do both?

Yeah, they're full hour talks.  It would simplify my life if I didn't have to
present tonight.


-- 
I have a date with some giant cartoon robots and booze.

From schwern at pobox.com  Wed Oct 10 15:30:39 2007
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:30:39 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] SVN and template toolkit
In-Reply-To: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>
References: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <470D528F.6000801@pobox.com>

Thomas Keller wrote:
> Hi,
> I thought I'd give subversion a try. So checked out my website files
> that I maintain with ttree (template toolkit). 
> I had updated the ttree.cfg file for this project, but ttree gave a
> bunch of "Permission denied" messages trying to update to
> .svn/various_directories. 
> 
> Is there a trick to using template toolkit and subversions?

Smells like a basic Unix permissions issue.  Do you have write permission on
those files in question?  Is it possible you made the checkout with one user
(maybe the web user) and tried to commit with another (your personal account)?

To avoid this sort of thing, I'd recommend leaving the checkout your web site
is running on alone and have a second checkout to develop on.  Then when your
development is complete just do an "svn up" from the web site checkout.


-- 
Hating the web since 1994.

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 15:33:26 2007
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:33:26 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Meeting tonight
Message-ID: <200710101533.26465.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

  October 10th at 6:53pm, Free Geek

Lightning(ish) Talks (aka "Winging It")

  * collaborative editors/etc demo
  * geek2geek communication (or something)
  * the decision tree thing
  * a simple CPAN configurator
  * what is YAPC
  * and etc.

Or something like that...  We'll see what happens.

--Eric
-- 
"...our schools have been scientifically designed to
prevent overeducation from happening."
--William Troy Harris
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From ianburrell at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 16:55:10 2007
From: ianburrell at gmail.com (Ian Burrell)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:55:10 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] SVN and template toolkit
In-Reply-To: <470D528F.6000801@pobox.com>
References: <F0E9163A-EC64-4418-9B6A-AFFBA761FA21@ohsu.edu>
	<470D528F.6000801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <d91f09cd0710101655n2981f035m5ac543c92ad3685d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/10/07, Michael G Schwern <schwern at pobox.com> wrote:
> Thomas Keller wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I thought I'd give subversion a try. So checked out my website files
> > that I maintain with ttree (template toolkit).
> > I had updated the ttree.cfg file for this project, but ttree gave a
> > bunch of "Permission denied" messages trying to update to
> > .svn/various_directories.
> >
> > Is there a trick to using template toolkit and subversions?
>
> Smells like a basic Unix permissions issue.  Do you have write permission on
> those files in question?  Is it possible you made the checkout with one user
> (maybe the web user) and tried to commit with another (your personal account)?
>
> To avoid this sort of thing, I'd recommend leaving the checkout your web site
> is running on alone and have a second checkout to develop on.  Then when your
> development is complete just do an "svn up" from the web site checkout.
>

Subversion keeps all of the files in the .svn directory read-only to
prevent them being modified by other processes.  It must change the
permissions before it modifies them.

 - Ian

From keithl at kl-ic.com  Sun Oct 14 22:03:45 2007
From: keithl at kl-ic.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:03:45 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] regexp and semi-greedy match
Message-ID: <20071015050345.GA10501@gate.kl-ic.com>


As fly is to sledgehammer, my problem is to this group.  However.


I work with a proprietary program that starts with a basename foo,
and makes lots of files that look like:

foo-1.raw, foo-2.raw, ...  foo-9.raw, foo-10.raw, foo-11.raw
...  foo-99.raw, foo-100.raw, 

... et cetera.  It appends an integer sequence count and .raw to the
basename.  Another proprietary program takes these files and processes
them in alphabetical sort order:

foo-100,raw, foo-10.raw, foo-11.raw, ... , foo-1.raw, foo-20.raw, ...,
foo-2.raw, foo-30.raw, .... etc.

Which is wrong, and very ugly.  I can't rewrite either program.  Uglier. 

However, I can rename the files:  foo-1.raw --> foo-001.raw,
foo-10.raw --> foo-010.raw  etc.  So the trick is pattern matching the
number part and inserting some leading zeros.  This is tricky because
some perverse user could use a base file name of, say, foo-121.raw,
resulting in output files named foo-121.raw-1.raw .  I need to match
the second number 1, not the 121.

"Greedy" regexp is just a tiny bit too greedy.  If I use a pattern match
like:

   if( /(a-z0-9_.-)-(\d*)\.(raw)$/i ) {     # this does NOT work

Then the first group grabs the whole filename, leaving nothing for
the other two groups to grab, and the match fails.  I would like it
to produce $1=basename, $2=number to zero pad, $3=suffix.

What I ended up doing is cheesy:

   if( /(\w*)-(\d*)\.(raw)/i ) {    # this finds plausible target files
      my $r  = rindex( $_ , "-" );
      my $f  = substr( $_ , 0, $r );
      my $nt = substr( $_ , $r );
      $nt    =~ m/(\d*)\.(raw)$/i ;

... and my match output variables are $f, $1, $2 instead of $1, $2, $3 .
It works, but it is barfogenic, and it might match on files it shouldn't.
Hence the question:

*** QUESTION:  Is there a regexp that does a "successfully greedy" ***
*** match and splits out the match variables I want?               ***

Keith


Petty details:

My cheesy programs can be found at http://www.keithl.com/ndir (good) and
http://www.keithl.com/ndir1 (bad).  Please do not read them if you are
pregnant or have a weak heart.   I imagine Randal could do the same
job with a one-liner.  The examples in the email above are somewhat
simplified.  In real life there are multiple basenames, and two sets
of output files with -nnn.raw and -nnn.out appended, so (raw) becomes
(raw|out) .  Also, I prepend only enough zeros to each sequence of
files in a directory to make them all come out right, so no monsters
like -000023.raw, unless there are actually files with number parts
that long.  I do two passes, the first time to find the longest number
for each basename.

-- 
Keith Lofstrom          keithl at keithl.com         Voice (503)-520-1993
KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs

From tkil at scrye.com  Sun Oct 14 23:32:08 2007
From: tkil at scrye.com (Tkil)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:32:08 -0600
Subject: [Pdx-pm] regexp and semi-greedy match
In-Reply-To: <20071015050345.GA10501@gate.kl-ic.com> (Keith Lofstrom's message
	of "Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:03:45 -0700")
References: <20071015050345.GA10501@gate.kl-ic.com>
Message-ID: <glka47us7.fsf@brand.scrye.com>

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Lofstrom <keithl at kl-ic.com> writes:

Keith> foo-1.raw, foo-2.raw, ...  foo-9.raw, foo-10.raw, foo-11.raw
Keith> ...  foo-99.raw, foo-100.raw, 

So why not just use a greedy match for everything before the integer
count and ".raw"?  So long as you use "one or more" for the integer
count, and the ".raw" literally, it should Just Work (since the evil
hacker can't prevent the presence of /-\d+\.raw/ at the end of the
file names no matter what they specify).

| my $max_digits = 1;
| my $common_base;
| my @files;
| foreach my $filename ( glob '*.raw' )
| {
|     my ( $base, $num ) = ( $filename =~ m!^(.*)-(\d+?)\.raw$!i )
|       or die "$filename: unrecognized filename";
|     if ( ! defined $common_base ) {
|         $common_base = $base;
|     } else {
|         if ( $common_base ne $base ) {
|             die "$filename: new base '$base' " .
|                 "differs from old base '$common_base'"";
|     }
|     push @files, { orig_name => $filename, num => $num };
|     if ( $max_digits < length( $num ) ) { $max_digits = $length $num ; }
| }
| 
| my $format = $common_base . '-%0' . $max_digits . 'd.raw';
| 
| foreach my $href ( @files )
| {
|     my $orig = $href->{orig_name};
|     my $new  = sprintf $format, $href->{num};
|     rename $orig, $new
|       or warn "rename '$orig', '$new': $!";
| }

Hmm?

t.

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 23:48:55 2007
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:48:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] regexp and semi-greedy match
In-Reply-To: <20071015050345.GA10501@gate.kl-ic.com>
References: <20071015050345.GA10501@gate.kl-ic.com>
Message-ID: <200710142348.55623.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Keith Lofstrom
# on Sunday 14 October 2007 22:03:

>"Greedy" regexp is just a tiny bit too greedy. ?If I use a pattern
> match like:
>
>? ?if( /(a-z0-9_.-)-(\d*)\.(raw)$/i ) { ? ? # this does NOT work

I don't think it is a greedy bug.  The first group is literal.  Are you 
trying for a character class (needs square brackets) and why?

   m/^(.*)-(\d+)\.raw$/

I'm also not sure about the capturing on "raw", which is a constant.  
(Perhaps it is going to change and you want to capture anything which 
is not-a-dot until the end:  qr/-(\d+)\.([^.]+)$/ .)

Another trick in situations like this is to not bother capturing if you 
happen to have a disposable copy of the scalar.  Just whack the 
interesting and/or messy bits off of the end.

  my $num;
  if($scalar =~ s/-(\d+)\.raw$//) {
    $num = $1;
  }
  else {
    die "didn't expect that input"; # or you could next
  }

  # $scalar is now just the base bit

Another note:  "greedy" typically causes failed captures, not failed 
matches.  The greed comes into play when multiple .* (or similar) might 
match in more than one way.  The regexp engine resolves the ambiguity 
by stuffing as much as possible into the first submatch (but curbs its 
gluttony short of invalidating the entire match.)

In this case the \d* could cause the match to hit on a mal-formatted 
string (and your $1 would get the whole string.)  The \d+ and the 
\.raw$ anchor things though (and cause the whole match to fail if 
something went awry.)

--Eric
-- 
"Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana."
--Groucho Marx
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From joshua at keroes.com  Mon Oct 15 08:24:30 2007
From: joshua at keroes.com (Joshua Keroes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] regexp and semi-greedy match
In-Reply-To: <20071015050345.GA10501@gate.kl-ic.com>
References: <20071015050345.GA10501@gate.kl-ic.com>
Message-ID: <c67b68200710150824v3918ee84h7f1b35e4091e2bdf@mail.gmail.com>

Non-greedy preliminary match for basename then greedy \d match for int.

DB<1> $_ = 'foo-121.raw-456.raw';
DB<2> ($base, $int) = /^(.*?)-(\d+).raw$/
DB<3> printf " base=%s\n int=%s\n fill=%06d", $base, $int, $int;
 base=foo-121.raw
 int=456
 fill=000456

From keithl at kl-ic.com  Mon Oct 15 09:33:43 2007
From: keithl at kl-ic.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:33:43 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] regexp and semi-greedy match - THANKS!
In-Reply-To: <200710142348.55623.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <20071015050345.GA10501@gate.kl-ic.com>
	<200710142348.55623.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <20071015163343.GA13102@gate.kl-ic.com>

# from Keith Lofstrom
# on Sunday 14 October 2007 22:03:

>"Greedy" regexp is just a tiny bit too greedy. ?If I use a pattern
> match like:
>
>? ?if( /(a-z0-9_.-)-(\d*)\.(raw)$/i ) { ? ? # this does NOT work

On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 11:48:55PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> I don't think it is a greedy bug.  The first group is literal.  Are you 
> trying for a character class (needs square brackets) and why?
> 
>    m/^(.*)-(\d+)\.raw$/
...

Thank you!  I did forget the brackets, and I should have used \d+ .
The actual regexp, which captures files suffixed .raw or .out or
.RAW or .OUT and ignores other files (as mentioned in the boring
details), is now:

     m/(.*)-(\d+)\.(raw|out)$/i

... and that works fine.  Also as mentioned in the boring details,
I am trying to use the minimum number of digits necessary, mostly
because the second program (that uses the file list) seems to have
limited filename buffer space.  The new version of the rename program
is at http://www.keithl.com/ndir2 .  Again, do not show that to 
children, or read after eating.

Keith


PS: the two programs this sits between are part of a big, expensive
integrated circuit simulator CAD suite, which I use in place of an
ULTRA-expensive CAD suite, which I need to design chips.  Someday 
there will be an open source replacement, I hope, but until then
I am stuck with funky behavior.  Fortunately, Perl can repair much
file damage.   Also, I can send the Perl code to the proprietary
vendor and say "this is how the data SHOULD look.  Fix the CAD tool."

-- 
Keith Lofstrom          keithl at keithl.com         Voice (503)-520-1993
KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs

From teknotus at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 22:46:45 2007
From: teknotus at gmail.com (Daniel Johnson)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:46:45 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think the definition of failsafe is that things should
	do the safe thing if they fail
Message-ID: <ec0b5e080710172246x2a2b16sbdafa3e57fa9bc79@mail.gmail.com>

Don't write code like in the link!

http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/34680

-- 
teknotus
Take Notice

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 23:03:52 2007
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:03:52 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think the definition of failsafe is that things
	should do the safe thing if they fail
In-Reply-To: <ec0b5e080710172246x2a2b16sbdafa3e57fa9bc79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ec0b5e080710172246x2a2b16sbdafa3e57fa9bc79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200710172303.52160.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Daniel Johnson
# on Wednesday 17 October 2007 22:46:

>Don't write code like in the link!
>
>http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/34680

Yeah.  More importantly, don't run such code as root.

Note Abigail's method of using a dedicated, unprivileged user to install 
code from CPAN.  Then the only files at risk are your perl tree.

--Eric
-- 
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From schwern at pobox.com  Thu Oct 18 10:57:36 2007
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:57:36 -0400
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think the definition of failsafe is that things
 should do the safe thing if they fail
In-Reply-To: <200710172303.52160.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <ec0b5e080710172246x2a2b16sbdafa3e57fa9bc79@mail.gmail.com>
	<200710172303.52160.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <47179E90.4080206@pobox.com>

Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> # from Daniel Johnson
> # on Wednesday 17 October 2007 22:46:
> 
>> Don't write code like in the link!
>>
>> http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/34680
> 
> Yeah.  More importantly, don't run such code as root.
> 
> Note Abigail's method of using a dedicated, unprivileged user to install 
> code from CPAN.  Then the only files at risk are your perl tree.

That's troublesome because you then have to have different bin and man paths
and make sure PATH and MANPATH are all set up and oh god the burning.

You don't have to go that far.  CPAN.pm is perfectly capable of sudo'ing the
install phase.  Just do this:
http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=37249&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=58370

The first-time configurator recommends that approach.
http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=37249&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=58469


-- 
Ahh email, my old friend.  Do you know that revenge is a dish that is best
served cold?  And it is very cold on the Internet!

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 11:16:13 2007
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:16:13 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think the definition of failsafe is that things
	should do the safe thing if they fail
In-Reply-To: <47179E90.4080206@pobox.com>
References: <ec0b5e080710172246x2a2b16sbdafa3e57fa9bc79@mail.gmail.com>
	<200710172303.52160.ewilhelm@cpan.org> <47179E90.4080206@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <200710181116.13170.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Michael G Schwern
# on Thursday 18 October 2007 10:57:

>> Note Abigail's method of using a dedicated, unprivileged user to
>> install code from CPAN. ?Then the only files at risk are your perl
>> tree.
>
>That's troublesome because you then have to have different bin and man
> paths and make sure PATH and MANPATH are all set up and oh god the
> burning.

Well, yeah.  Too bad the install is done via `make install`.  Perhaps 
adding a stow step to cpan.pm or something would make that easier.

>You don't have to go that far. ?CPAN.pm is perfectly capable of
> sudo'ing the install phase.

Running cpan as a dedicated user with an sudo on the install phase would 
still be a good idea.  Luckily, the install action is usually pretty 
safe.  Losing your $HOME directory while running a test suite would 
sort of suck.

--Eric
-- 
Moving pianos is dangerous.
Moving pianos are dangerous.
Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
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From schwern at pobox.com  Thu Oct 18 11:47:24 2007
From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:47:24 -0400
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think the definition of failsafe is that things
 should do the safe thing if they fail
In-Reply-To: <200710181116.13170.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <ec0b5e080710172246x2a2b16sbdafa3e57fa9bc79@mail.gmail.com>
	<200710172303.52160.ewilhelm@cpan.org> <47179E90.4080206@pobox.com>
	<200710181116.13170.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <4717AA3C.20008@pobox.com>

Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> # from Michael G Schwern
> # on Thursday 18 October 2007 10:57:
> 
>>> Note Abigail's method of using a dedicated, unprivileged user to
>>> install code from CPAN.  Then the only files at risk are your perl
>>> tree.
>> That's troublesome because you then have to have different bin and man
>> paths and make sure PATH and MANPATH are all set up and oh god the
>> burning.
> 
> Well, yeah.  Too bad the install is done via `make install`.  Perhaps 
> adding a stow step to cpan.pm or something would make that easier.

The install step is configurable and I don't think there's anything stopping
you from saying... "make install DESTDIR=/usr/local/stow && stow ..."


-- 
Stabbing you in the face for your own good.

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 14:28:34 2007
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:28:34 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think the definition of failsafe is that things
	should do the safe thing if they fail
In-Reply-To: <4717AA3C.20008@pobox.com>
References: <ec0b5e080710172246x2a2b16sbdafa3e57fa9bc79@mail.gmail.com>
	<200710181116.13170.ewilhelm@cpan.org> <4717AA3C.20008@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <200710181428.35069.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Michael G Schwern
# on Thursday 18 October 2007 11:47:

>> Well, yeah. ?Too bad the install is done via `make install`.
>> ?Perhaps adding a stow step to cpan.pm or something would make that
>> easier.
>
>The install step is configurable and I don't think there's anything
> stopping you from saying... "make install DESTDIR=/usr/local/stow &&
> stow ..."

I suppose not.  DESTDIR=/usr/local/stow/cpan or so and just sudo the 
stow then.

Sounds like a presentation topic for Nov. 14th.  Now all we need is a 
volunteer.

--Eric
-- 
I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a
desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day.
--E.B. White
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From tex at off.org  Tue Oct 23 14:22:16 2007
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:22:16 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Should be easy, but...
Message-ID: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>

	Ok, so all I want to know is what the path is to my cgi script. Sounds
easy, but modperl changes $0 to /usr/sbin/apache2.
	Some random postings on the web indicate FindBin or FindBin::Real.
Perfect, even supposed to work with modperl. Ok, here we go.. ah...
Bin: /usr/sbin, Script: apache2, Realbin: /usr/sbin. Super.

	This should be taking 10 seconds, instead I've wasted the better part
of a day trying to figure this out. Surely I must be missing something
obvious, yes? Shouldn't the path to the currently executing script be simple
to find, like maybe even in the perl core simple?

	Austin

From kellert at ohsu.edu  Tue Oct 23 15:30:56 2007
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Thomas Keller)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:30:56 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Should be easy, but...
In-Reply-To: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>
References: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>
Message-ID: <DDF23FD6-A209-4BBA-BE62-305450B178D9@ohsu.edu>

install pmtools.pm and use the pmpath method
?

Tom
MMI Shared Resource Facility
503-494-2442
kellert at ohsu.edu



On Oct 23, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Austin Schutz wrote:

> 	Ok, so all I want to know is what the path is to my cgi script.  
> Sounds
> easy, but modperl changes $0 to /usr/sbin/apache2.
> 	Some random postings on the web indicate FindBin or FindBin::Real.
> Perfect, even supposed to work with modperl. Ok, here we go.. ah...
> Bin: /usr/sbin, Script: apache2, Realbin: /usr/sbin. Super.
>
> 	This should be taking 10 seconds, instead I've wasted the better part
> of a day trying to figure this out. Surely I must be missing something
> obvious, yes? Shouldn't the path to the currently executing script  
> be simple
> to find, like maybe even in the perl core simple?
>
> 	Austin
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list


From mike at collegenet.com  Tue Oct 23 15:29:34 2007
From: mike at collegenet.com (Mike Hitchcock)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:29:34 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Should be easy, but...
In-Reply-To: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>
References: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>
Message-ID: <471E75CE.40001@collegenet.com>

Use the SCRIPT_FILENAME environment variable?

-- 
Mike Hitchcock
VP, Systems Engineering
CollegeNET, Inc.

Austin Schutz wrote:
> 	Ok, so all I want to know is what the path is to my cgi script. Sounds
> easy, but modperl changes $0 to /usr/sbin/apache2.
> 	Some random postings on the web indicate FindBin or FindBin::Real.
> Perfect, even supposed to work with modperl. Ok, here we go.. ah...
> Bin: /usr/sbin, Script: apache2, Realbin: /usr/sbin. Super.
> 
> 	This should be taking 10 seconds, instead I've wasted the better part
> of a day trying to figure this out. Surely I must be missing something
> obvious, yes? Shouldn't the path to the currently executing script be simple
> to find, like maybe even in the perl core simple?
> 
> 	Austin
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From tex at off.org  Tue Oct 23 16:20:30 2007
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:20:30 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Should be easy, but...
In-Reply-To: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>
References: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>
Message-ID: <20071023232029.GC27663@gblx.net>

On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 02:22:16PM -0700, Austin Schutz wrote:
> 	Ok, so all I want to know is what the path is to my cgi script. Sounds
> easy, but modperl changes $0 to /usr/sbin/apache2.
> 	Some random postings on the web indicate FindBin or FindBin::Real.
> Perfect, even supposed to work with modperl. Ok, here we go.. ah...
> Bin: /usr/sbin, Script: apache2, Realbin: /usr/sbin. Super.
> 
> 	This should be taking 10 seconds, instead I've wasted the better part
> of a day trying to figure this out. Surely I must be missing something
> obvious, yes? Shouldn't the path to the currently executing script be simple
> to find, like maybe even in the perl core simple?
> 

	Of course! There's a cgi environment variable for it:
$ENV{SCRIPT_FILENAME}. So all I need to do is take the filename off the
end and use lib $that.

	..but mod_perl doesn't respect begin blocks, so I can't tweak the
name and put it in a use lib. I know! I'll make a symlink to the current
directory named $ENV{SCRIPT_FILENAME}foo, then use lib
"$ENV{SCRIPT_FILENAME}foo/lib/perl" so I can find my modules.

	Am I the only one who runs into this stuff? Does mod_python do
this nonsense?

	Austin

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 22:56:47 2007
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:56:47 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Should be easy, but...
In-Reply-To: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>
References: <20071023212216.GA27663@gblx.net>
Message-ID: <200710232256.47789.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Austin Schutz
# on Tuesday 23 October 2007 14:22:

>Ok, so all I want to know is what the path is to my cgi script. Sounds
>easy, but modperl changes $0 to /usr/sbin/apache2.

If you really need $0 and something changed that, then yes, you'll have 
to look in the environment (which will be specific to the environment 
(see also PAR.))

If you just want something relative to the current compilation unit, 
there's always __FILE__.  That is, if you're asking for $0 from within 
the main script, __FILE__ is the same -- and maybe closer to what you 
mean.

Probably an aside:  Anything looking at $0 from outside of the main 
script might smell like "action at a distance."

--Eric
-- 
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From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:41:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Apress User Group Newsletter, October 2007 Issue
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From jeff at vpservices.com  Fri Oct 26 09:33:23 2007
From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:33:23 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers
Message-ID: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com>

I need to find a hosting provider that has all of the usual suspects - 
*nix, shell access, modern perl, reasonable support, established track 
record, etc. - and some unusual ones (for this list at least) - PHP, 
well-tuned MySQL with drop, temp table, and lock table perms[1].  My 
immediate need is a home for a medium-sized Portland non-profit 
organization but eventually I'd like to move my own stuff there.

Please email me off list unless someone else is interested in the answers.

Thanks!

[1] I mention those perms because amazingly I have had three different 
ISPs tell me they supported those and then, when I tried, it turned out 
they didn't and wouldn't.

-- 
Jeff

From david.brewer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 13:20:25 2007
From: david.brewer at gmail.com (David Brewer)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:20:25 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com>
References: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com>
Message-ID: <2248649a0710261320r68b1eb03p79ec4b71ee9bc959@mail.gmail.com>

I thought I'd post my answer to the list as I know that personally I'm
always interested in gathering feedback about hosting providers.  :-)

If you're willing and able to do your server software installation
yourself, Slicehost (http://www.slicehost.com/) is a pretty attractive
choice.  You get a virtual private server with a choice of Linux
distribution and full access to do whatever you want, at what I
consider to be a very reasonable price.

David Brewer

On 10/26/07, Jeff Zucker <jeff at vpservices.com> wrote:
> I need to find a hosting provider that has all of the usual suspects -
> *nix, shell access, modern perl, reasonable support, established track
> record, etc. - and some unusual ones (for this list at least) - PHP,
> well-tuned MySQL with drop, temp table, and lock table perms[1].  My
> immediate need is a home for a medium-sized Portland non-profit
> organization but eventually I'd like to move my own stuff there.
>
> Please email me off list unless someone else is interested in the answers.
>
> Thanks!
>
> [1] I mention those perms because amazingly I have had three different
> ISPs tell me they supported those and then, when I tried, it turned out
> they didn't and wouldn't.
>
> --
> Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>

From jeff at vpservices.com  Fri Oct 26 14:00:31 2007
From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:00:31 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <2248649a0710261320r68b1eb03p79ec4b71ee9bc959@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com>
	<2248649a0710261320r68b1eb03p79ec4b71ee9bc959@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4722556F.2020807@vpservices.com>

David Brewer wrote:
> I thought I'd post my answer to the list as I know that personally I'm
> always interested in gathering feedback about hosting providers.  :-)
>
>   
Thanks, and thanks to the others who are responding, I'll summarize back 
to the list.

-- 
Jeff

> If you're willing and able to do your server software installation
> yourself, Slicehost (http://www.slicehost.com/) is a pretty attractive
> choice.  You get a virtual private server with a choice of Linux
> distribution and full access to do whatever you want, at what I
> consider to be a very reasonable price.
>
> David Brewer
>
> On 10/26/07, Jeff Zucker <jeff at vpservices.com> wrote:
>   
>> I need to find a hosting provider that has all of the usual suspects -
>> *nix, shell access, modern perl, reasonable support, established track
>> record, etc. - and some unusual ones (for this list at least) - PHP,
>> well-tuned MySQL with drop, temp table, and lock table perms[1].  My
>> immediate need is a home for a medium-sized Portland non-profit
>> organization but eventually I'd like to move my own stuff there.
>>
>> Please email me off list unless someone else is interested in the answers.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> [1] I mention those perms because amazingly I have had three different
>> ISPs tell me they supported those and then, when I tried, it turned out
>> they didn't and wouldn't.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>
>
>   


From cymberlaen at sprintpcs.com  Sun Oct 28 08:25:56 2007
From: cymberlaen at sprintpcs.com (Dennis H. Medley)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:25:56 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1193511614.15848.pdx-pm-list@pm.org>
References: <mailman.9.1193511614.15848.pdx-pm-list@pm.org>
Message-ID: <20071028082556.620322cd@BartonGentoo.nhhorses.biz>

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:00:14 -0700
David Brewer wrote:

> Slicehost

My thanks as well for this -- they DO look good.

Dennis H. Medley
Cymberlaen Software

From jeff at vpservices.com  Mon Oct 29 15:42:06 2007
From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:42:06 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers [Summary]
In-Reply-To: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com>
References: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com>
Message-ID: <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>

Not surprisingly, TIMTOWTDI for hosting providers.  I just wish two of 
you had recommended the same place to break the 7-way tie :-).  These 
all got one vote each:

linode
johncompanies
bluehost
slicehost
dreamhost
pair
westhost

Thanks all!

-- 
Jeff


From jshirley at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 15:49:39 2007
From: jshirley at gmail.com (J. Shirley)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:49:39 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers [Summary]
In-Reply-To: <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
References: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com> <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
Message-ID: <756703690710291549r14a5a057sdeadb5f97ac10b28@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/29/07, Jeff Zucker <jeff at vpservices.com> wrote:
>
> Not surprisingly, TIMTOWTDI for hosting providers.  I just wish two of
> you had recommended the same place to break the 7-way tie :-).  These
> all got one vote each:
>
> linode
> johncompanies
> bluehost
> slicehost
> dreamhost
> pair
> westhost
>
> Thanks all!
>
> --
> Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list



I vote for Linode and SliceHost equally.

Does that help? :)
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From david.brewer at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 16:03:07 2007
From: david.brewer at gmail.com (David Brewer)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:03:07 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers [Summary]
In-Reply-To: <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
References: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com> <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
Message-ID: <2248649a0710291603x6ebc91fai4845d0d6ffc8e760@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like you can very quickly pare that list down if you decide if
you're in the market for shared hosting (typically less setup work and
often cheaper, but also much less control and very frequently heavily
oversold) or VPS hosting (total control, but also total responsibility
to configure everything).

I'll be interested to see if anyone casts a tiebreaker vote now.  :-)

On 10/29/07, Jeff Zucker <jeff at vpservices.com> wrote:
> Not surprisingly, TIMTOWTDI for hosting providers.  I just wish two of
> you had recommended the same place to break the 7-way tie :-).  These
> all got one vote each:
>
> linode
> johncompanies
> bluehost
> slicehost
> dreamhost
> pair
> westhost
>
> Thanks all!
>
> --
> Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>

From jeff at vpservices.com  Mon Oct 29 16:11:11 2007
From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:11:11 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers [Summary]
In-Reply-To: <2248649a0710291603x6ebc91fai4845d0d6ffc8e760@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com> <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
	<2248649a0710291603x6ebc91fai4845d0d6ffc8e760@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4726688F.6070801@vpservices.com>

David Brewer wrote:
> Looks like you can very quickly pare that list down if you decide if
> you're in the market for shared hosting (typically less setup work and
> often cheaper, but also much less control and very frequently heavily
> oversold) or VPS hosting (total control, but also total responsibility
> to configure everything).
>
>   
Good point.  I'm thinking I will probably want shared hosting for the 
non-profit organization and VPS for myself.

-- 
Jeff
> I'll be interested to see if anyone casts a tiebreaker vote now.  :-)
>
> On 10/29/07, Jeff Zucker <jeff at vpservices.com> wrote:
>   
>> Not surprisingly, TIMTOWTDI for hosting providers.  I just wish two of
>> you had recommended the same place to break the 7-way tie :-).  These
>> all got one vote each:
>>
>> linode
>> johncompanies
>> bluehost
>> slicehost
>> dreamhost
>> pair
>> westhost
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> --
>> Jeff
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
>> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>>
>>     
>
>
>   


From jeff at vpservices.com  Tue Oct 30 11:54:37 2007
From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers [Summary]
In-Reply-To: <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
References: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com> <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
Message-ID: <47277DED.6020900@vpservices.com>

One last question on the (off) topic : has anyone ever heard of the 
provider digitalAid, supposedly they specialize in not-for-profits.

-- 
Jeff

From teknotus at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 12:18:02 2007
From: teknotus at gmail.com (Daniel Johnson)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:18:02 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT : hosting providers [Summary]
In-Reply-To: <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
References: <472216D3.5020802@vpservices.com> <472661BE.2070503@vpservices.com>
Message-ID: <ec0b5e080710301218x7cb91f6y6e1ee5e356a0d7ae@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/29/07, Jeff Zucker <jeff at vpservices.com> wrote:
> Not surprisingly, TIMTOWTDI for hosting providers.  I just wish two of
> you had recommended the same place to break the 7-way tie :-).  These
> all got one vote each:
>
> linode
> johncompanies
> bluehost
> slicehost
> dreamhost
> pair
> westhost

I work for a small webhosting provider.  As such I am somewhat in tune
with the hosting scene.  I would plug my own operation but we aren't
focused on perl hosting. From this list I would say dreamhost for
shared hosting, and slicehost for VPS.  Slicehost acts like they are
much bigger than they are which is a standard practice in the biz.
Always talk about your colo's data facility like it's your own.  This
doesn't nessisarily make them any better, or worse than the other guys
though.  The important part is what level of service they give you,
and how well designed their software setup is.  From a little DNS
digging it looks like their data center is this [1]

[1] http://www.datotel.com/virtualtour.htm

-- 
teknotus
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