From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 19:22:18 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:22:18 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] Registrations are open for OSDC 2006
Message-ID: <200610021922.18608.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

I usually say something funny when I forward e-mails, but I'm currently 
at a loss for pancakes.

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Subject: [pm_groups] Registrations are open for OSDC 2006
Date: Monday 02 October 2006 06:59 pm
From: Scott Penrose <scottp at dd.com.au>
To: Perl Monger Group Leaders <pm_groups at pm.org>

Hey PM Dudes,

Could you pass this on to your groups please.

Thanks

Scott

Registrations are open for the Open Source Developers' Conference 2006:
http://www.osdc.com.au/registration/index.html Book before 31st
October to
save $50 and get a free conference t-shirt!

The Open Source Developers' Conference is an Australian conference
covering
talks about software development for open source languages and
 projects; regardless of operating system. The technical program is
 running from 6th -
8th December 2006 and will be held in Melbourne, Victoria (at Monash
University's Caulfield Campus). We are planning to have 3 streams of
talks
over the three days with combined keynotes at the start and end of each
day. Morning and afternoon teas, and lunch will be provided. A
conference
dinner will be held on the night of the 6th.

Talks this year include:

     - "Mono - Migrating from Windows to Linux" by Dr. Trent Mifsud,
       Lecturer for the Faculty of Information Technology, Monash
University

     - "Data Warehousing HOWTO" by Evan Leybourn, Director of Looking
Glass
       Solutions

     - "J2EE and Open Source Innovation: The Relationship between Open
       Source and Standards" by Keith Pitty, Senior Consultant at
 Cirrus Technologies Pty Ltd

     - "Enterprise PHP" by Thorsten Rinne, Software Developer at
Mayflower
       GmbH / ThinkPHP

     - "Obfuscation, Golfing and Secret Operators in Perl" by Jos?
Castro,
       Team Leader at log

     - "A Rails/Django Comparison" by Alan Green, Cirrus Technologies
and
       Ben Askins, Sterland Computing

For a full list please visit:
http://osdc2006.cgpublisher.com/session_descriptions.html

Conference keynote presentors include Damian Conway, Randal L.
 Schwartz, Richard Farnsworth and others. On the 5th of December we are
 running a number of short tutorials. These cover Cascading Style
 Sheets, Open Source
Python GIS Hacks, Testing Web Applications with Perl, a Drupal
Tutorial, an
Introduction to Perl Template Toolkit and Building Large Scale Web
 Apps. For more information please visit:
http://www.osdc.com.au/papers/tutorials.html

We look forward to sharing this great conference with you.

Scott
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From krisb at ring.org  Thu Oct  5 08:25:33 2006
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] JavaScript Kwalitee
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0610050821531.23998-100000@ender.ring.org>


	I have written some JavaScript functions for a program I am
working on and now I would like to test them.  What JavaScript test
systems have people used?  Do they work on Win32?  Are they Perl/TAP
friendly?  Happy or Sad stories?

	I guess once JavaScript is running properly in Parrot this will be
a lot easier.

Thanks.

-Kris


From jerry.gay at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 08:47:37 2006
From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:47:37 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] JavaScript Kwalitee
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0610050821531.23998-100000@ender.ring.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0610050821531.23998-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <1d9a3f400610050847t3e528f91gc02f34c0f5abd375@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/5/06, Kris Bosland <krisb at ring.org> wrote:
>         I have written some JavaScript functions for a program I am
> working on and now I would like to test them.  What JavaScript test
> systems have people used?  Do they work on Win32?  Are they Perl/TAP
> friendly?  Happy or Sad stories?
>
have a look at openjsan.org (the javascript equivalent of cpan,) and
in particular at
http://openjsan.org/doc/t/th/theory/Test/Simple/0.21/index.html

>         I guess once JavaScript is running properly in Parrot this will be
> a lot easier.
>
probably, when there's a good parrot testing library that makes it
easy to write language-specific front ends to. some of us are already
working on it. i've been trying to keep my parrot TAP parser grammar
in sync with ovid's TAPx::Parser, for example.

~jerry

From jeff at vpservices.com  Thu Oct  5 09:00:56 2006
From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:00:56 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] JavaScript Kwalitee
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0610050821531.23998-100000@ender.ring.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0610050821531.23998-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <45252C38.7090705@vpservices.com>

Not quite testing, but I just have to mention my favorite JavaScript 
debugging tool: the FireBug Firefox extension which handles both 
JavaScript and CSS.

-- 
Jeff

Kris Bosland wrote:
> 	I have written some JavaScript functions for a program I am
> working on and now I would like to test them.  What JavaScript test
> systems have people used?  Do they work on Win32?  Are they Perl/TAP
> friendly?  Happy or Sad stories?
>
> 	I guess once JavaScript is running properly in Parrot this will be
> a lot easier.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Kris
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>
>
>   


From david at kineticode.com  Thu Oct  5 09:06:40 2006
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:06:40 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] JavaScript Kwalitee
In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400610050847t3e528f91gc02f34c0f5abd375@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0610050821531.23998-100000@ender.ring.org>
	<1d9a3f400610050847t3e528f91gc02f34c0f5abd375@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1E2A271-3DBC-411B-B176-A2F1F202D097@kineticode.com>

On Oct 5, 2006, at 08:47, jerry gay wrote:

> have a look at openjsan.org (the javascript equivalent of cpan,) and
> in particular at
> http://openjsan.org/doc/t/th/theory/Test/Simple/0.21/index.html

And let me know if you have any questions about Test.Simple. Download  
it here:

   http://openjsan.org/dist/t/th/theory/Test.Simple-0.21.tar.gz

And to see how it works, check out its own harness here:

   http://openjsan.org/src/t/th/theory/Test.Simple-0.21/tests/index.html

Best,

David

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 12:01:19 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:01:19 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Next Wed.  WxPerl for Fun and Profit
Message-ID: <200610051201.19771.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Hi all,

Here's the plan for next week's meeting.  If anyone would like to 
contribute a mini presentation on the Alien suite, please contact me 
off-list.

------------
October Meeting
  Wednesday Oct 11th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

wxPerl for Fun and Profit

Eric Wilhelm will talk about how to get started with the Perl bindings 
to the wxwidgets GUI toolkit. Eric has spent the last several months 
designing and building a large (7.5kLOC and growing in 62 modules) 
system complete with a comprehensive test suite, pluggable, reskinnable 
architecture, network-transparent connectivity, blah, blah, blah (ok, 
the blah part is done, but I'm still working on some of the other 
bits.)

The presentation will cover:

  o Web3.0 -- 1000x more responsive than Web2.0
  o WxWidgets/WxPerl overview
  o how cross platform is it?
  o finding documentation
  o installation on Windows, Mac, and Linux
  o code generation with wxglade (or not)
  o creating a sane object-oriented architecture while using an
    event-driven toolkit
  o events, hotkeys, and callbacks with closures, methods, and accessors
  o testing

--Eric
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From chromatic at wgz.org  Fri Oct  6 00:52:32 2006
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:52:32 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Portland questions
Message-ID: <200610060052.33010.chromatic@wgz.org>

Hi all,

You're all clever and highly socialized Portlandites, where I let myself out 
of O'Reilly Hillsboro once a week or so to admire the daystar before it burns 
my fair skin.  Does anyone have far better answers to John's questions than I 
do?

(If you want to forward this to a similarly geeky Stumptown-area list, please 
do.)

Please respond to John directly, unless you have a burning answer that we 
ought to know.

-- c

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Subject: Portland questions
From: John Littler <jlittler at mstation.org>

Portland, Oregon has long been one of the places you might
stop off at if you were doing the West Coast drive thing; say
traveling from LA up to the border. Along the way there is a
craggy coast, giant redwood trees and interesting small
communities.

Portland itself is on a river about 80 miles from the coast and
with a nice backdrop of Mt. Shasta. It has about half a million
people in the town proper and about two million in the whole
surrounding area. It's a nice size for getting around and the sort
of size where people haven't withdrawn into themselves for
protection against the cram-packed hordes.

Portland has also become a Liberal and alternative enclave with
all kinds of music and other activities and has the USA's
largest bookstore which takes up a city block.

Another plus is that the place is nowhere near as rainy as
somewhere like Seattle, Washington, which is a bit further
North.

Here we enlist the help of Portland resident, O'Reilly's technical
editor chromatic ...

Maybe first we can deal with where to stay: Let's say we have two
people and one is blessed with a big budget and the other with a
small one. Both like alternative and interesting places. Where
would you recommend they stay?

After they've checked in they'll look at the waterfront and the
distant mountains and wonder what to do next. Where would you point
them as far as general sightseeing is concerned?

After that they got a bit hungry and it's time for lunch anyway.
Being forward planners they're even thinking ahead to where dinner
might be had. What would you recommend?

Portland is well-known for its music and bands and for the fact
that the Dandy Warhols developed an area into a place for theatre
and music. Could you tell us a bit more about that?

What are the main venues in town? What sort of music is generally
played in them (I know this sort of info has a short usability span
generally)?

Portland is said to have more than its fair share of computer
geeks. What sort of geek-friendly activities are there?

Are there a lot of tech employers in the area?

Summing up the ethos of a place can be difficult, especially in
larger cities where ghettoization and/or cultural diversity lead
to many different places. People say that Portland has very much
an anti-authoritarian, questioning, alternative culture sort of
ethos. Is this just for three blocks in town or is it
generally true?

Cheers!
John





Please add any you feel are cool...
some links:
http://www.pova.org
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/176

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Date: 6 Oct 2006 18:40:30 -0400
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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Mon Oct  9 17:58:06 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:58:06 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, October 9
Message-ID: <200610091758.06570.ewilhelm@cpan.org>



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Subject: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, October 9
Date: Monday 09 October 2006 04:58 pm
From: "Marsee Henon" <marsee at oreilly.com>
To: ewilhelm at cpan.org

Hello,

Just a note to let you know that we have 33 new releases (wow!) in this
issue. In order to make this newsletter somewhat readable, I have left
out the book descriptions, please click on the URL for more information
on each title.

Thanks for looking,

Marsee

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for making your web pages behave in Internet Explorer.
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***Peter Krogh ("The DAM Book") at PhotoPlus Expo, New York,
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***Julieanne Kost ("Window Seat") Project: Photoshop Lightroom
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cities and dates, go to:
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Tapp cover concept to completion--posing, pixels, Photoshop, and
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***Scaling Dynamic Websites with Apache Modules
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From selena at chrisking.com  Tue Oct 10 10:08:56 2006
From: selena at chrisking.com (Selena Deckelmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:08:56 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] MEETING: 10/17/06, PostgreSQL 8.2 and MySQL caveats
Message-ID: <b1539300f8f8964f1c3ae840a9666601@chrisking.com>

Hello!

Topic: 	PostgreSQL 8.2 & MySQL caveats
Who: 	David Wheeler, Kineticode
When: 	10/17/06, 7pm
Where:  	FreeGeek, 1731 SE 10th Ave

David will talk about what's new and great about PostgreSQL 8.2.

For some hints as to what he might talk about:
	http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-8-2.html

Also, David has run into some fun issues with MySQL that he'd like to 
share.  We're all looking forward to it.

Beer at Lucky Lab afterward!

For newbies out there, I have two copes of the huge PostgreSQL book to 
give away.  Come to the meeting!

-selena


From kevin at scaldeferri.com  Tue Oct 10 11:23:02 2006
From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:23:02 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] OT: need big vehicle or help renting one
Message-ID: <2589BAB8-EBE2-4BEA-9DD6-05C19D3738B4@scaldeferri.com>

Hello,

I met a few of you at the August meeting, while I was in town house- 
hunting, and now I'm here and in a bit of a pickle.  I've been  
looking at used furniture, and made plans to pick up a bunch of stuff  
today - thinking I would rent a big truck or van.  Unfortunately, I  
just realized that I let my driver's license expire a couple weeks  
ago, so I can't rent a vehicle myself.  So, my question is, is there  
anyone on the list who either has a suitable vehicle or would be  
willing to help rent one (I would pay for it, of course), and can  
help me out for a couple hours this afternoon.  Please give me a call  
at 626-487-1763.


Many thanks,

-kevin

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 17:35:33 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:35:33 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Wed. MEETING:  WxPerl:  What I Learned the Hard Way
Message-ID: <200610101735.33651.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Meeting *tonight*  (well, tomorrow if you're not reading mail at work)

Update:  change of title and supposedly content

*special* Octoberfest promo for members only:  Bring a friend and I'll 
buy you both a beer (or lesser libation.)

** special special ** give a 5-min overview of Alien.pm and/or camelpack 
and get a free beer!  First person to e-mail me before noon wins it.

------------
October Meeting
  Wednesday Oct 11th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

Presenter:

  Eric Wilhelm

Topic:

  WxPerl:  What I Learned the Hard Way

OR:  How to have a decent and perlish architecture in spite of being 
subjected to obscenely verbose reams of C++ documentation, overly 
academic examples, slow wikis, and infection misconceptions.

  o wxWidgets -- what it is and what it can do for you
  o interlude:  mac users heckling loudly
  o Wx (aka wxPerl) -- crazy, but true!
  o dotReader:  an open-source e-book reader written in Perl
  o getting started / documentation
  o cross platform development (aka fun with vnc)
  o installation (aka fun with make/nmake/bake/shake/quake)
  o getting past getting started
  o code generation and why it is a good idea
  o event driven OOP -- how to have your cake without eating your hair
  o callbacks with closures, methods, and accessors
  o testing
  o building
  o testing
  o packaging and deployment on windows, mac, and linux
  o no really, testing
  o moose, Traits, and whatever else time allows

All this in a fun-filled and action-packed multimedia presentation 
followed by Beer!  I know I'll be there!

--Eric
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From xrdawson at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 16:40:09 2006
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:40:09 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] microphone for podcasting
Message-ID: <659b9ea30610111640jcd55b90qfc1b6a0761f493ad@mail.gmail.com>

Again, thanks to all that assisted with paying for the new microphone
for the podcasting.

Unfortunately, the brand new microphone is no longer at FreeGeek, as
far as I can tell.  Does anyone recall using it and putting it back in
the last few weeks?  Perhaps someone stashed it somewhere interesting?
 Or, did someone accidentally take it home and is now wondering what
to do with it?

I am planning to be at FreeGeek tonight for Eric's talk.  I can bring
another microphone for tonight, but I would love to recover the new
one I just got a few weeks back.  If not, I think there is enough
money to buy another one.

FreeGeek is such a great science experiment, an alternative black hole
sometimes, eh?

Chris

From xrdawson at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 16:48:27 2006
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:48:27 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] microphone for podcasting: FALSE ALARM
Message-ID: <659b9ea30610111648g4f546cew1f9b155754499a4d@mail.gmail.com>

Matrin from FreeGeek just informed me that the mic has been found!
You can stop searching your underwear drawers, and stop worrying that
your additional split personality went on another kleptomaniac
rampage.

Chris

From xrdawson at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 22:58:35 2006
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:58:35 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Wed. MEETING: WxPerl: What I Learned the Hard Way
In-Reply-To: <200610101735.33651.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200610101735.33651.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30610112258k2f3c51b8q127c6f5f3bade056@mail.gmail.com>

Podcast is up of Eric's discussion is up:

http://pdxpm.podasp.com

Thanks Eric!

Chris

On 10/10/06, Seven till Seven <scratchcomputing at gmail.com> wrote:
> Meeting *tonight*  (well, tomorrow if you're not reading mail at work)
>
> Update:  change of title and supposedly content
>
> *special* Octoberfest promo for members only:  Bring a friend and I'll
> buy you both a beer (or lesser libation.)
>
> ** special special ** give a 5-min overview of Alien.pm and/or camelpack
> and get a free beer!  First person to e-mail me before noon wins it.
>
> ------------
> October Meeting
>   Wednesday Oct 11th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.
>
> Presenter:
>
>   Eric Wilhelm
>
> Topic:
>
>   WxPerl:  What I Learned the Hard Way
>
> OR:  How to have a decent and perlish architecture in spite of being
> subjected to obscenely verbose reams of C++ documentation, overly
> academic examples, slow wikis, and infection misconceptions.
>
>   o wxWidgets -- what it is and what it can do for you
>   o interlude:  mac users heckling loudly
>   o Wx (aka wxPerl) -- crazy, but true!
>   o dotReader:  an open-source e-book reader written in Perl
>   o getting started / documentation
>   o cross platform development (aka fun with vnc)
>   o installation (aka fun with make/nmake/bake/shake/quake)
>   o getting past getting started
>   o code generation and why it is a good idea
>   o event driven OOP -- how to have your cake without eating your hair
>   o callbacks with closures, methods, and accessors
>   o testing
>   o building
>   o testing
>   o packaging and deployment on windows, mac, and linux
>   o no really, testing
>   o moose, Traits, and whatever else time allows
>
> All this in a fun-filled and action-packed multimedia presentation
> followed by Beer!  I know I'll be there!
>
> --Eric
> --
>
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> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 15:13:10 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:13:10 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] POE::Loop::Wx - a bridge that supports wxPerl's event loop
	from POE - search.cpan.org
Message-ID: <200610121513.10370.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Randal asked about this after last night's meeting.  I haven't played 
with it yet, but will be before the week is out.

  http://search.cpan.org/~mike/POE-Loop-Wx-0.03/lib/POE/Loop/Wx.pm

Note that `perl -MWx -e ""` will segfault if you have no display, so if 
you're running CPAN as root on Linux, you'll need to ssh -X, kdesudo, 
or whatever.

--Eric
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From Edward.Hille at xerox.com  Mon Oct 16 10:13:57 2006
From: Edward.Hille at xerox.com (Hille, Edward A)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:13:57 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Contract-to-hire opportunity at Xerox
Message-ID: <E2AC8250C45254458823ED8BA138DD840179D215@usa7061ms02.na.xerox.net>

I work for Xerox supporting a custom web application that runs
http://www.office.xerox.com/.   The scope of the team's responsibility
has recently expanded and we are looking to bring on another Perl
programmer.  Of course, we are not allowed to directly hire anyone and
instead have to go through a contract agency, but the idea is to convert
the right person before their contract expires.

Since we have to go through this initial "contractor" phase, any resumes
should be sent to carol.heard at adeccona.com.

The job has been posted here: http://jobs.perl.org/job/4763.

If you have any questions about the position or working at Xerox, you
can drop me a line.


Ted Hille
Internet Application Developer
http://www.office.xerox.com/


"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; In
practice, there is."
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From raanders at acm.org  Tue Oct 17 13:32:37 2006
From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:32:37 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
Message-ID: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>

I'm working on a module [0] that needs to do something I have not seen 
in any other module or documentation.  It may be my ignorance that is 
making this complicated.

I need to build a, sometimes, quite large hash table ( 40,000 - 470,000 
records ) one record at a time.  The method will return the key it is 
used to the caller so it can be used to key the rest of the data not 
passed in to the method.

Here is the sub.

sub add_addr {

     my $self = shift;
     my @stuff = @_;

     my $recid = $self->inc_recid();
     my $addr = join( $FldDelim, $recid, @stuff );
     $addr .= $RcdDelim;

     $self->{addr_data}->{$recid} = $addr;

     return $recid;
}

Is there a better way to do this?

[0] actually re-working a script into a module.


Thanks for any insights or ideas,
Rod
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From krisb at ring.org  Tue Oct 17 13:49:41 2006
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0610171348250.23998-100000@ender.ring.org>


	Any reason not to use an SQL database?  You may get better
performance.  SQLite is quite lightweight and easy.

-Kris

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:

> I'm working on a module [0] that needs to do something I have not seen
> in any other module or documentation.  It may be my ignorance that is
> making this complicated.
>
> I need to build a, sometimes, quite large hash table ( 40,000 - 470,000
> records ) one record at a time.  The method will return the key it is
> used to the caller so it can be used to key the rest of the data not
> passed in to the method.
>
> Here is the sub.
>
> sub add_addr {
>
>      my $self = shift;
>      my @stuff = @_;
>
>      my $recid = $self->inc_recid();
>      my $addr = join( $FldDelim, $recid, @stuff );
>      $addr .= $RcdDelim;
>
>      $self->{addr_data}->{$recid} = $addr;
>
>      return $recid;
> }
>
> Is there a better way to do this?
>
> [0] actually re-working a script into a module.
>
>
> Thanks for any insights or ideas,
> Rod
> --
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From jkeroes at eli.net  Tue Oct 17 14:34:21 2006
From: jkeroes at eli.net (Joshua Keroes)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:34:21 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
Message-ID: <C15A9A6D.5478%jkeroes@eli.net>


On 10/17/06 1:32 PM, "Roderick A. Anderson" <raanders at acm.org> wrote:
> I need to build a, sometimes, quite large hash table ( 40,000 - 470,000
> records ) one record at a time.  The method will return the key it is
> used to the caller so it can be used to key the rest of the data not
> passed in to the method.
> 
> sub add_addr {
> 
>      my $self = shift;
>      my @stuff = @_;
> 
>      my $recid = $self->inc_recid();
>      my $addr = join( $FldDelim, $recid, @stuff );

Not sure why you're putting the recid in both the key and the value - that's
just one more thing that might break. Oh, and it takes up additional storage
space.

>      $addr .= $RcdDelim;
> 
>      $self->{addr_data}->{$recid} = $addr;
> 
>      return $recid;
> }
> 
> Is there a better way to do this?

A few questions first:

Q: Instead of serializing @stuff, why not create a HoA?

Q: Depending on what you're using as a recid, you might be able to use an
AoA instead for some space savings.

Q: Why not use a DB instead?

That said, here's some code that implements this in a way that makes sense
to me; that is, storing an HoA and stringifying the output of each addr on
demand.


__BEGIN__

package Hash::Super;

# Using Spiffy for class/method generation because it makes for
# nice, short classes
use Spiffy qw/-base/;       # writes new()

field fld_delim => ":";     # creates get/set method w/ a default value
field rcd_delim => "\n";    # creates get/set method w/ a default value


# addr() - get/set method
#
# Usage:
#
#   $obj->addr( [qw/a b c/] );       # set next index to aref
#   $obj->addr( 5 => [qw/a b c/] );  # set any  index to aref
#   $obj->addr( 5 );                 # get addr at index 5
#   $obj->addr;                      # get last addr

sub addr {
    my $self  = shift;

    if ( ref $_[0] eq "ARRAY" ) {

        # User wants us to get next recid
        
        my $recid = $self->inc_recid or croak "Couldn't get new recid";
        my $aref  = shift;
        return $self->{addr_data}{$recid} = $aref;
    }
    elsif ( ref $_[1] eq "ARRAY" ) {

        # User passed a recid and aref

        my $recid = shift;
        my $aref  = shift;
        return $self->{addr_data}{$recid} = $aref;
    }
    else {

        # No args. Return last addr

        return $self->{addr_data}{$self->recid};
    }

    croak "Flow should never reach this point";
}


# Usage:
# 
#   my $str = $obj->to_str( ['a', 'b', 'c'] )

sub to_str {
    my $self = shift;
    my $aref = shift;
    croak "to_str needs an array ref arg" unless ref $aref eq "ARRAY"
    return join ($self->fld_delim, @{ $self->{addr_data}->{$recid} })
               . $self->rcd_delim;
}

{ # Closure

    my $singleton_recid = 0;
    
    sub inc_recid { $singleton_recid++ } # get only
    sub     recid { $singleton_recid   } # get only
}

1;

__END__

# Example code:

use Hash::Super;

my $superhash = Hash::Super->new;
$superhash->addr( [qw/a b whoops/] ); # Store incorrect first addr
$superhash->addr( 0 => [qw/a b c/] ); # Correct first addr
$superhash->addr( [qw/d e f/] );      # Store second addr

# $superhash = {
#    fld_delim => ":",
#    rcd_delim => "\n",
#    addr_data => {
#       0 => ['a', 'b', 'c'],
#       1 => ['d', 'e', 'f'],
#    },
# }

my $str = $superhash->to_str( $superhash->addr( 1 ) );

# $str = "d:e:f\n"

__END__


-Joshua








From russj at dimstar.net  Tue Oct 17 16:44:52 2006
From: russj at dimstar.net (Russ Johnson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:44:52 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Hash reference depricated..
Message-ID: <45356AF4.3030709@dimstar.net>

 From what I can see, the two routines here produce the same result.

for my $key ( keys %$DATA ) {
    my $value = %$DATA->{$key};
    print OUTFILE "$key => $value\n";
}

while ( my ($key, $value) = each(%$DATA) ) {
    print OUTFILE "$key => $value\n";
}

Except, the first one results in "Using a hash as a reference is 
deprecated at ./script.pl line 85." The second runs without errors.

Anyone see why?

-- 
Russ Johnson
Dimension 7/Stargate Online
http://www.dimstar.net

Top post? http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

Random thought #14 (Collect all 25)
"There is a point beyond which even justice becomes unjust." - Sophocles

From chromatic at wgz.org  Tue Oct 17 16:53:46 2006
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:53:46 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Hash reference depricated..
In-Reply-To: <45356AF4.3030709@dimstar.net>
References: <45356AF4.3030709@dimstar.net>
Message-ID: <200610171653.47133.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Tuesday 17 October 2006 16:44, Russ Johnson wrote:

>  From what I can see, the two routines here produce the same result.
>
> for my $key ( keys %$DATA ) {
>     my $value = %$DATA->{$key};
>     print OUTFILE "$key => $value\n";
> }
>
> while ( my ($key, $value) = each(%$DATA) ) {
>     print OUTFILE "$key => $value\n";
> }
>
> Except, the first one results in "Using a hash as a reference is
> deprecated at ./script.pl line 85." The second runs without errors.
>
> Anyone see why?

%$DATA->{$key} is more or less equivalent to %somehash->{$key}, which is one 
level of dereferencing too many.

-- c

From tex at off.org  Tue Oct 17 17:08:01 2006
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:08:01 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
Message-ID: <20061018000801.GB2891@gblx.net>

On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 01:32:37PM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> I'm working on a module [0] that needs to do something I have not seen 
> in any other module or documentation.  It may be my ignorance that is 
> making this complicated.
> 
> I need to build a, sometimes, quite large hash table ( 40,000 - 470,000 
> records ) one record at a time.  The method will return the key it is 
> used to the caller so it can be used to key the rest of the data not 
> passed in to the method.
> 
> Here is the sub.
> 
> sub add_addr {
> 
>      my $self = shift;
>      my @stuff = @_;
> 
>      my $recid = $self->inc_recid();
>      my $addr = join( $FldDelim, $recid, @stuff );
>      $addr .= $RcdDelim;
> 
>      $self->{addr_data}->{$recid} = $addr;
> 
>      return $recid;
> }
> 
> Is there a better way to do this?
> 
	There are innumerable "other" ways to do this (as other posts have
demonstrated). Better is somewhat subjective and also depends on your goal.

	Does it work? Is it maintainable? Is it fast enough? Are you embarking
on complex code which solves an already solved problem (i.e. is there an easier
way to do it on CPAN)?

	"maintainable" is usually critical. Having comments helps, following
convention helps. Having tests is very helpful (some would say critical,
especially when creating reusable code).

	Keeping your same logic (if it makes sense to you and works don't
fool with it) here is (more or less) how I would accomplish this, assuming no
other constraints like maximal performance:



package MyModule;

.. skipping init lines and other module docs

# Note the documentation states what it takes, what it does, what it returns,
# and error/exception usage. Note the documentation does _not_ use
# abbreviations. 

=head2 $self->add_addr(@stuff)

	Given @stuff representing an address, format and save in a record.
Returns a record ID. No error conditions are possible.

=cut

sub add_addr {
  my($self, @stuff) = @_;

  # Get a new record id
  my $recid = $self->inc_recid();
  # Format into an addr.
  my $addr = join( $FldDelim, $recid, @stuff );
  $addr .= $RcdDelim;

  # Save the addr in a hash keyed by recid.
  $self->{addr_data}->{$recid} = $addr;

  return $recid;
}
1;


	Here's a test:

t/add_addr.t

use MyModule;
use Test::More qw(no_plan);

MyModule->init();

@stuff=(1,2,3);
my($addr_holder) = MyModule->new();
# (Usually better would be to pass \@stuff, btw).
$recid = $addr_holder->add_addr(@stuff);
ok( $recid );
ok( $self->get_data($recid) = 'some text' );
...

	hth.

	Austin

From pdxpm at punch.net  Tue Oct 17 17:14:01 2006
From: pdxpm at punch.net (Tom Heady)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:14:01 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Hash reference depricated..
In-Reply-To: <45356AF4.3030709@dimstar.net>
References: <45356AF4.3030709@dimstar.net>
Message-ID: <453571C9.30309@punch.net>

Russ Johnson wrote:
>  From what I can see, the two routines here produce the same result.
> 
> for my $key ( keys %$DATA ) {
>     my $value = %$DATA->{$key};

You probably want:

     my $value = $DATA->{$key};


>     print OUTFILE "$key => $value\n";
> }
> 
> while ( my ($key, $value) = each(%$DATA) ) {
>     print OUTFILE "$key => $value\n";
> }
> 
> Except, the first one results in "Using a hash as a reference is 
> deprecated at ./script.pl line 85." The second runs without errors.
> 
> Anyone see why?
> 


From schwern at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 22:16:06 2006
From: schwern at gmail.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
Message-ID: <4535B896.7010202@gmail.com>

Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> I'm working on a module [0] that needs to do something I have not seen 
> in any other module or documentation.  It may be my ignorance that is 
> making this complicated.
> 
> I need to build a, sometimes, quite large hash table ( 40,000 - 470,000 
> records ) one record at a time.  The method will return the key it is 
> used to the caller so it can be used to key the rest of the data not 
> passed in to the method.

If memory consumption starts to become a problem you might want to consider using a DBM file (see AnyDBM_File).


> Here is the sub.
> 
> sub add_addr {
> 
>      my $self = shift;
>      my @stuff = @_;
> 
>      my $recid = $self->inc_recid();
>      my $addr = join( $FldDelim, $recid, @stuff );
>      $addr .= $RcdDelim;
> 
>      $self->{addr_data}->{$recid} = $addr;
> 
>      return $recid;
> }
> 
> Is there a better way to do this?

Hard to say without context as to how its being used, but I can make some observations.

Its kind of weird that you're flattening the $recid and @stuff into a delimited string.  It reduces the flexibility of your data, its easier to work with a list than an encoded string.  As a rule of thumb, separate formatting from functionality to increase flexibility.

And as Joshua pointed out, storing the key in the value is odd, though there are sometimes when its useful.

Oh, and lose the vowelless variable names because thy cn b hrd 2 rd.

So I would do this:

    # Functionality.
    sub add_address {
        my $self = shift;
        my @address = @_;

        my $id = $self->next_record_id();
        $self->{address_data}{$id} = \@address;

        return $id;
    }

and then flatten as necessary:

    # Formatting
    sub flatten_record {
        my($self, $id) = @_;

        my $address = $self->{address_data}{$id};
        return unless $address;

        return join( $Field_Delim, $id, @$address ) . $Record_Delim;
    }

From schwern at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 23:37:55 2006
From: schwern at gmail.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:37:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Personal perldoc server
Message-ID: <4535CBC3.3000606@gmail.com>

I need new glasses so I've been preferring to read module documentation in a web browser with color and formatting and large text.  search.cpan.org is nice but its also nice to read the documentation that's actually installed on your machine, its the right version and has any local hacks.

Using Pod::Find, Pod::Simple::HTML and HTTP::Server::Simple I hacked together a simple local perldoc server.  Simply run it and then use the supplied URL.  Pass in the name of your module as a path.

http://localhost:8123/perlrun
http://localhost:8123/HTTP::Server::Simple

The port and CSS are configurable.  By default it uses port 8123 and the search.cpan.org CSS.

http://www.schwern.org/~schwern/src/perldoc_server

If folks like it I might package it up for CPAN.

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 01:17:55 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:17:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Personal perldoc server
In-Reply-To: <4535CBC3.3000606@gmail.com>
References: <4535CBC3.3000606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200610180117.55859.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Michael G Schwern
# on Tuesday 17 October 2006 11:37 pm:

>The port and CSS are configurable. ?By default it uses port 8123 and
> the search.cpan.org CSS.
>http://www.schwern.org/~schwern/src/perldoc_server

Hey, I did something similar a while back, but maybe got a little silly 
with the html and still haven't figured out what the secret utf8 flag 
is for POD (anyone know where that is documented?) and then Allison 
mentioned Pod::Webserver.  I was going for "just this project's lib 
dir" rather than all of @INC.

  http://scratchcomputing.com/svn/podserver/trunk/

  http://search.cpan.org/search?module=Pod%3A%3AWebserver

Sounds like a great little project for the hackfest (Nov 10-12.)  Maybe 
we can even get better CPAN search builtin (I know I searched, but 
maybe I just don't know how to correctly operate search.cpan.org.)

--Eric
-- 
perl -e 'srand; print join(" ",sort({rand() < 0.5}
  qw(sometimes it is important to be consistent)));'
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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 01:51:47 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:51:47 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
Message-ID: <200610180151.47462.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Roderick A. Anderson
# on Tuesday 17 October 2006 01:32 pm:

>I need to build a, sometimes, quite large hash table ( 40,000 -
> 470,000 records ) one record at a time. ?

Is the question about a speed/memory problem or code style?  I would 
expect to see another comma before it became an issue (if that's really 
the top of the expected scope (unless you're trying to do build it up 
from zero for every hit on a webserver (don't do that.)))

  $ time perl -e 'my %h; $h{$_} = [$_, $_, $_] for(0..500_000);'

  real    0m3.456s
  user    0m3.261s
  sys     0m0.188s

> The method will return the 
> key it is used to the caller so it can be used to key the rest of the
> data not passed in to the method.

Sounds like a possible encapsulation problem.

I'll also second the comments about the join -- save that for output.  
And I'll throw in a cringe regarding the global (hopefully just 
package) variables $FldDelim and $RcdDelim (make that 4 cringes: one 
for camel casing plus the global per each.)

But we're just guessing at the real problem, which is why you need to 
build this hash table and how often you have to build it.  If this is 
anything besides some one-off code, you should really ponder if there 
is a way to avoid it because there's no way to do big cheaply, 
especially often.

--Eric
-- 
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From raanders at acm.org  Wed Oct 18 04:56:46 2006
From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:56:46 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
Message-ID: <4536167E.4030303@acm.org>

I'm sorry I was so vague.  This method will used to do three things.

One get the calling script's data, two do the first level of formatting 
of the data for the next step in the processing and three make it 
slightly easier to determine how many records there are.

This is for s-mail address processing for bulk mail.  FWIW - Mailroom 
Toolkit (MRTK) by Satori Software.  I work for a custom mail-piece 
publishing company.  (http://www.bydesignpublishing.com/)

So here is the rest-of-the-story.

The data comes from an output file generate by another process from our 
database.  There will be other information, besides the address stuff, 
that is needed to build the mail piece.

So a sample line of data and a label/header line might look like this:

fname<TAB>lname<TAB>address_1<TAB>address_2<TAB>city<TAB>state<TAB>zip<TAB>\
image_1<TAB>greeting<NL>

George<TAB>Bush<TAB>1600 Pennsylvania 
Ave.<TAB><TAB>Washington<TAB>DC<TAB>20500<TAB>12345.jpg<TAB>Dear George,<NL>

The calling script reads in the file, splits out the address fields, 
passes those to the add_addr method, gets the $recid back.  The other 
fields ( fname,lname,image_1,greeting) are stored in %therest using 
$recid as the key.

After all the data is passed in, method(s) will do some MRTK setup, pass 
the, _preformated_, values to the MRTK, which will certify and 
Postalsort the addresses.

The _ordered_ returned data, with the included $recid, will be used to 
build a new file from itself and %therest.

This file is then used to build the press files.

I now see that $self->{addr_data} doesn't have to be a hash.  An array 
will work since, as observed, I already have the $recid in the string.

Shorted story is ... Thanks.  All your comments and suggestions helped 
me clarify what I need to do.


Rod
-- 
Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> I'm working on a module [0] that needs to do something I have not seen 
> in any other module or documentation.  It may be my ignorance that is 
> making this complicated.
> 
> I need to build a, sometimes, quite large hash table ( 40,000 - 470,000 
> records ) one record at a time.  The method will return the key it is 
> used to the caller so it can be used to key the rest of the data not 
> passed in to the method.
> 
> Here is the sub.
> 
> sub add_addr {
> 
>      my $self = shift;
>      my @stuff = @_;
> 
>      my $recid = $self->inc_recid();
>      my $addr = join( $FldDelim, $recid, @stuff );
>      $addr .= $RcdDelim;
> 
>      $self->{addr_data}->{$recid} = $addr;
> 
>      return $recid;
> }
> 
> Is there a better way to do this?
> 
> [0] actually re-working a script into a module.
> 
> 
> Thanks for any insights or ideas,
> Rod


From david at kineticode.com  Wed Oct 18 10:39:38 2006
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:39:38 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Personal perldoc server
In-Reply-To: <200610180117.55859.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <4535CBC3.3000606@gmail.com> <200610180117.55859.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <9937E385-1DAE-4E86-A180-A54C2A4EB881@kineticode.com>

On Oct 18, 2006, at 01:17, Eric Wilhelm wrote:

> Hey, I did something similar a while back, but maybe got a little  
> silly
> with the html and still haven't figured out what the secret utf8 flag
> is for POD (anyone know where that is documented?)

It's

=encoding utf8

Documented in perlpod:

        "=encoding encodingname"
            This command is used for declaring the encoding of a  
document.
            Most users won't need this; but if your encoding isn't US- 
ASCII or
            Latin-1, then put a "=encoding encodingname" command  
early in the
            document so that pod formatters will know how to decode  
the docu-
            ment.  For encodingname, use a name recognized by the  
Encode::Sup-
            ported module.  Examples:

              =encoding utf8

              =encoding koi8-r

              =encoding ShiftJIS

              =encoding big5

Best,

David

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 12:15:37 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:15:37 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Personal perldoc server
In-Reply-To: <9937E385-1DAE-4E86-A180-A54C2A4EB881@kineticode.com>
References: <4535CBC3.3000606@gmail.com> <200610180117.55859.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<9937E385-1DAE-4E86-A180-A54C2A4EB881@kineticode.com>
Message-ID: <200610181215.37910.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from David E. Wheeler
# on Wednesday 18 October 2006 10:39 am:

>=encoding utf8
>
>Documented in perlpod:

Ah!  But, new somewhere after 5.8.4 and/or my perldoc package needs an 
update.  Well, let's add "check for updates" to the podserver and have 
it look on CPAN :-)

--Eric
-- 
The more you learn about Linux, the more you hate Windows.
--Gary Varnell
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From wcooley at nakedape.cc  Wed Oct 18 16:01:52 2006
From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:01:52 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <200610180151.47462.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org> <200610180151.47462.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <1161212513.7043.14.camel@willow.odshp.com>

On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 01:51 -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:

> I'll also second the comments about the join -- save that for output.  
> And I'll throw in a cringe regarding the global (hopefully just 
> package) variables $FldDelim and $RcdDelim (make that 4 cringes: one 
> for camel casing plus the global per each.)

How about two more cringes for the compressed 8-character variable
naming, instead of something legible like $record_delimiter and
$field_delimiter?  Time to replace that 300 baud modem with cable or
DSL!

Wil
-- 
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http://nakedape.cc
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From raanders at acm.org  Wed Oct 18 16:32:39 2006
From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:32:39 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <1161212513.7043.14.camel@willow.odshp.com>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org> <200610180151.47462.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<1161212513.7043.14.camel@willow.odshp.com>
Message-ID: <4536B997.4090400@acm.org>

Wil Cooley wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 01:51 -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> 
>> I'll also second the comments about the join -- save that for output.  
>> And I'll throw in a cringe regarding the global (hopefully just 
>> package) variables $FldDelim and $RcdDelim (make that 4 cringes: one 
>> for camel casing plus the global per each.)
> 
> How about two more cringes for the compressed 8-character variable
> naming, instead of something legible like $record_delimiter and
> $field_delimiter?

Hey. It looks cooler!

Who knows?

When I started the script version several months I tried to use the same 
names as the MRTK used.  In these two cases that was DELIMITER_FIELD and 
DELIMITER_RECORD.   To COBOL-ish so I picked RcdDelim and FldDelim as 
they allow visual alignment.

Again who knows.  As I re-write/transmogrify it I'll probably make them 
_all_ more human.

>  Time to replace that 300 baud modem with cable or
> DSL!

Losing the DSL the end of the month and Adelphia has been bought by Time 
Warner Telecomm so it is interesting trying to get a price or place 
order online.  That 300 baud modem is looking more likely daily -- well 
   actually a 56k is what I'll have to use if.


Rod
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> 
> Wil
> 
> 
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From kellert at ohsu.edu  Wed Oct 18 18:17:00 2006
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Thomas J Keller)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] [pdxpug] duplicate records
In-Reply-To: <4536AF4C.8080506@cs.pdx.edu>
References: <6A006225-5093-4F26-980C-571CD619DEF0@ohsu.edu>
	<47ed9e2ed59c142a86246f08842edc97@chrisking.com>
	<93479223-79AF-4ED3-A824-D1DBB646D5D5@ohsu.edu>
	<4536A981.9080601@cs.pdx.edu> <4536AF4C.8080506@cs.pdx.edu>
Message-ID: <9A7B1FCA-B215-40EB-8AC7-97A3D6E33E16@ohsu.edu>

The problem is that the primary keys are unique.
So SELECT DISTINCT * FROM original_table;
finds all the records, including the ones that are identical except  
for the id.

So the problem remains. I actually have 194 unique records and 12  
that are the same except for their id's.

Here's the new table:
passwords=# SELECT * FROM foobar;
password_id | username | password | object | url_address |  
description | status
-------------+----------+----------+--------+------------- 
+-------------+--------
(0 rows)

passwords=# INSERT INTO foobar (SELECT DISTINCT username,  
password,object,url_address,description,status FROM password);
ERROR:  column "password_id" is of type integer but expression is of  
type character varying
HINT:  You will need to rewrite or cast the expression.
passwords=# INSERT INTO foobar (SELECT * FROM password);
INSERT 0 206
passwords=# DELETE FROM foobar WHERE password_id >0;
DELETE 206
passwords=# INSERT INTO foobar (SELECT DISTINCT * FROM password);
INSERT 0 206

[The syntax in postgresQL is apparently a little different from your  
suggestion. ]

I think this is why I've stuck with FilemakerPro for so long. Please  
note: I can clean the FMP data before I export it. But this seems  
like a fairly common problem that should have a straightforward  
solution. sigh.

Thanks for your help.

Tom K

PS. the original table looks like this:
passwords=# \d password
                                         Table "public.password"
    Column    |          Type          |                            
Modifiers
-------------+------------------------ 
+----------------------------------------------------------------
password_id | integer                | not null default nextval 
('password_password_id_seq'::regclass)
username    | character varying(32)  | not null
password    | character varying(12)  | not null
object      | character(32)          | not null
url_address | character varying(64)  |
description | character varying(128) |
status      | character(8)           |
Indexes:
     "password_pk" PRIMARY KEY, btree (password_id)


On Oct 18, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Vassilis Papadimos wrote:

> Vassilis Papadimos wrote:
>> Thomas J Keller wrote:
>>> Excellent.
>>> So the first step is to create an empty table:
>>>
>>> passwords=# CREATE TABLE foo_bar LIKE original_table;
>>> ERROR:  syntax error at or near "LIKE" at character 22
>>> LINE 1: CREATE TABLE foo_bar LIKE original_table;
>> SQL doesn't have this "do what I mean" feature yet :-)
>
> Ahem... Apparently SQL *does* have this "do what I mean" feature  
> (or at least PostgreSQL does!) I've never heard of it before.
>
> But you have to write it like this:
>
> CREATE TABLE foo_bar (like original_table);
>
> (Including the parentheses.)
>
> I still like the
>
> SELECT DISTINCT * FROM original_table INTO foo_bar;
>
> solution though, two birds with one stone...
>
> Vassilis.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------(end of  
> broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
>



From tex at off.org  Wed Oct 18 21:07:23 2006
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:07:23 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <4536B997.4090400@acm.org>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org> <200610180151.47462.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<1161212513.7043.14.camel@willow.odshp.com>
	<4536B997.4090400@acm.org>
Message-ID: <20061019040723.GJ2891@gblx.net>

On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 04:32:39PM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> Wil Cooley wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 01:51 -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> > 
> >> I'll also second the comments about the join -- save that for output.  
> >> And I'll throw in a cringe regarding the global (hopefully just 
> >> package) variables $FldDelim and $RcdDelim (make that 4 cringes: one 
> >> for camel casing plus the global per each.)
> > 

	Since you were intending to create a module, $FldDelim and $RcdDelim
would be package variables. I don't see any cringeworthiness here beyond the
name compression. Camel casing is acceptable for a package variable, according
to the style guide - though it suggests the additional use of underscores
which to my mind are probably optional since the caps change works as a word
delimiter.

	ALL CAPS is for globals, but you shouldn't need those because globals
_are_ cringe worthy, as a general rule.

> > How about two more cringes for the compressed 8-character variable
> > naming, instead of something legible like $record_delimiter and
> > $field_delimiter?
> 
> Hey. It looks cooler!
> 
> Who knows?

	Therein is the real question. If everyone knows, which we all seem
to, it's probably fine though less readable. If your code has enough comments
easier names are probably not necessary. However, the converse is that if your
variables are easier to discern you don't need as many comments.

	There are lots of places where the perl internals look like
idx = st->dest.u.op.pc[i] (no comments) and module code that looks like
$arg=~/^\s*\[\s*$gre\s*(?:,\s*$gre\s*)?\]\s*$/ (no comments) so if your
code isn't perfect(ly readable) remember that ours often isn't either so
don't beat yourself up about it. In this case there is try as well as do
(sorry Yoda).

	*shrug*

	Austin

From tex at off.org  Wed Oct 18 21:30:05 2006
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:30:05 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] [pdxpug] duplicate records
In-Reply-To: <9A7B1FCA-B215-40EB-8AC7-97A3D6E33E16@ohsu.edu>
References: <6A006225-5093-4F26-980C-571CD619DEF0@ohsu.edu>
	<47ed9e2ed59c142a86246f08842edc97@chrisking.com>
	<93479223-79AF-4ED3-A824-D1DBB646D5D5@ohsu.edu>
	<4536A981.9080601@cs.pdx.edu> <4536AF4C.8080506@cs.pdx.edu>
	<9A7B1FCA-B215-40EB-8AC7-97A3D6E33E16@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <20061019043005.GK2891@gblx.net>

On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 06:17:00PM -0700, Thomas J Keller wrote:
> The problem is that the primary keys are unique.
> So SELECT DISTINCT * FROM original_table;
> finds all the records, including the ones that are identical except  
> for the id.
> 
> So the problem remains. I actually have 194 unique records and 12  
> that are the same except for their id's.
> 
> Here's the new table:
> passwords=# SELECT * FROM foobar;
> password_id | username | password | object | url_address |  
> description | status
> -------------+----------+----------+--------+------------- 
> +-------------+--------

	Ok, so let's look for those and delete them.
Let's start with the select:

SELECT max(b.id) as b_id, COUNT(a.id) as a_count from foobar a, foobar b where
  a.username = b.username,
  a.password = b.password,
	etc. etc.
GROUP BY a.id

	That should return the higher id of the different ids and how many of
them there are in the table which have identical data with differing ids. Now
stick in in a subselect:

SELECT DISTINCT(b_id) FROM (
SELECT max(b.id) as b_id, COUNT(a.id) as a_count from foobar a, foobar b where
  a.username = b.username,
  a.password = b.password,
        etc. etc.
GROUP BY a.id
) my_subselect WHERE
 a_count = 2;

	Now you have the ids where there is identical junk. The distinct part
(not strictly necessary) is because you will have the id show up twice for
each dupe row.

DELETE FROM foobar WHERE id in (
... all that crap above.
)

	Well, works in oracle. Should work here too I would imagine.


	Austin

From chromatic at wgz.org  Wed Oct 18 21:50:40 2006
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:50:40 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <20061019040723.GJ2891@gblx.net>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org> <4536B997.4090400@acm.org>
	<20061019040723.GJ2891@gblx.net>
Message-ID: <200610182150.41124.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Wednesday 18 October 2006 21:07, Austin Schutz wrote:

> If your code has enough comments
> easier names are probably not necessary. However, the converse is that if
> your variables are easier to discern you don't need as many comments.

I'm not sure that's a converse, in the same way that "On the other hand, not 
eating razor blades *is* good for your health" isn't.

-- c

From tex at off.org  Wed Oct 18 22:49:16 2006
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:49:16 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Instance hash ( keyed array )
In-Reply-To: <200610182150.41124.chromatic@wgz.org>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org> <4536B997.4090400@acm.org>
	<20061019040723.GJ2891@gblx.net>
	<200610182150.41124.chromatic@wgz.org>
Message-ID: <20061019054916.GL2891@gblx.net>

On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 09:50:40PM -0700, chromatic wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 October 2006 21:07, Austin Schutz wrote:
> 
> > If your code has enough comments
> > easier names are probably not necessary. However, the converse is that if
> > your variables are easier to discern you don't need as many comments.
> 
> I'm not sure that's a converse, in the same way that "On the other hand, not 
> eating razor blades *is* good for your health" isn't.
> 

	Good variable naming and commenting are both important. If short
variable names are razor blades then lack of comments is broken glass. So.. I
agree with your statement, but laziness occurs, as a great deal of the code in
the perl core demonstrates.

	Something is better than nothing, and if you are too lazy to write
comments _and_ use reasonable variable names (and most people seem to be),
doing one is better than doing neither.

	The code I've inherited has a lot of eval $string; stuff with no
checks for $@. Maybe that would be eating lit firecrackers. Sure seems
like it sometimes.

	Austin

From schwern at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 23:33:02 2006
From: schwern at gmail.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:33:02 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] FIOS (was Re:  Instance hash ( keyed array ))
In-Reply-To: <4536B997.4090400@acm.org>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
	<200610180151.47462.ewilhelm@cpan.org>	<1161212513.7043.14.camel@willow.odshp.com>
	<4536B997.4090400@acm.org>
Message-ID: <45371C1E.20508@gmail.com>

Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
>>  Time to replace that 300 baud modem with cable or
>> DSL!
> 
> Losing the DSL the end of the month and Adelphia has been bought by Time 
> Warner Telecomm so it is interesting trying to get a price or place 
> order online.  That 300 baud modem is looking more likely daily -- well 
>    actually a 56k is what I'll have to use if.

Maybe you're one of those lucky bastards who can get FIOS.
http://www.verizon.net/vonads/fios/default.asp

Gotta be something good about living out in Beaverton.

From raanders at acm.org  Thu Oct 19 08:43:35 2006
From: raanders at acm.org (Roderick A. Anderson)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:43:35 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] FIOS (was Re:  Instance hash ( keyed array ))
In-Reply-To: <45371C1E.20508@gmail.com>
References: <45353DE5.9070406@acm.org>
	<200610180151.47462.ewilhelm@cpan.org>	<1161212513.7043.14.camel@willow.odshp.com>
	<4536B997.4090400@acm.org> <45371C1E.20508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45379D27.5060008@acm.org>

Michael G Schwern wrote:
> Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
>>>  Time to replace that 300 baud modem with cable or
>>> DSL!
>> Losing the DSL the end of the month and Adelphia has been bought by Time 
>> Warner Telecomm so it is interesting trying to get a price or place 
>> order online.  That 300 baud modem is looking more likely daily -- well 
>>    actually a 56k is what I'll have to use if.
> 
> Maybe you're one of those lucky bastards who can get FIOS.
> http://www.verizon.net/vonads/fios/default.asp

No such luck.  I live in the 'wilds' of North Idaho -- well not too wild 
Hayden ( Coeur d'Alene ) still Verizon/GTE has had this area up for sale 
for years.

But my up side is the wireless will ready near the end of the month.

Rod
-- 
> Gotta be something good about living out in Beaverton.


From btp at cpan.org  Thu Oct 19 22:15:37 2006
From: btp at cpan.org (Ben Prew)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:15:37 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] [pdxpug] duplicate records
In-Reply-To: <9A7B1FCA-B215-40EB-8AC7-97A3D6E33E16@ohsu.edu>
References: <6A006225-5093-4F26-980C-571CD619DEF0@ohsu.edu>
	<47ed9e2ed59c142a86246f08842edc97@chrisking.com>
	<93479223-79AF-4ED3-A824-D1DBB646D5D5@ohsu.edu>
	<4536A981.9080601@cs.pdx.edu> <4536AF4C.8080506@cs.pdx.edu>
	<9A7B1FCA-B215-40EB-8AC7-97A3D6E33E16@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <24f4b2e80610192215y2e2b4eccmfa42e03c70cf1850@mail.gmail.com>

If you've got a table with exact duplicate data except for the id,
you'll probably want to create a new table with all the values in it
that are unique.  Also, in the future, if you want to maintain
uniqueness, I would probably create a unique index on the table that
would prevent that in the future.

So, if your table has the same schema as below you'll want to do
something like this;

create table foo as
select max(password_id), username, password, object, url_address,
description, status
from original_table
group by username, password, object, url_address, description, status
/

And then just delete the original table, and rename the new one to the
old name.  Also, a unique index would look something like:

create uniqe index on original_table ( username, password, object,
url_address, description, status )

And that will prevent this from happening in the future...

On 10/18/06, Thomas J Keller <kellert at ohsu.edu> wrote:
> The problem is that the primary keys are unique.
> So SELECT DISTINCT * FROM original_table;
> finds all the records, including the ones that are identical except
> for the id.
>
> So the problem remains. I actually have 194 unique records and 12
> that are the same except for their id's.
>
> Here's the new table:
> passwords=# SELECT * FROM foobar;
> password_id | username | password | object | url_address |
> description | status
> -------------+----------+----------+--------+-------------
> +-------------+--------
> (0 rows)
>
> passwords=# INSERT INTO foobar (SELECT DISTINCT username,
> password,object,url_address,description,status FROM password);
> ERROR:  column "password_id" is of type integer but expression is of
> type character varying
> HINT:  You will need to rewrite or cast the expression.
> passwords=# INSERT INTO foobar (SELECT * FROM password);
> INSERT 0 206
> passwords=# DELETE FROM foobar WHERE password_id >0;
> DELETE 206
> passwords=# INSERT INTO foobar (SELECT DISTINCT * FROM password);
> INSERT 0 206
>
> [The syntax in postgresQL is apparently a little different from your
> suggestion. ]
>
> I think this is why I've stuck with FilemakerPro for so long. Please
> note: I can clean the FMP data before I export it. But this seems
> like a fairly common problem that should have a straightforward
> solution. sigh.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Tom K
>
> PS. the original table looks like this:
> passwords=# \d password
>                                          Table "public.password"
>     Column    |          Type          |
> Modifiers
> -------------+------------------------
> +----------------------------------------------------------------
> password_id | integer                | not null default nextval
> ('password_password_id_seq'::regclass)
> username    | character varying(32)  | not null
> password    | character varying(12)  | not null
> object      | character(32)          | not null
> url_address | character varying(64)  |
> description | character varying(128) |
> status      | character(8)           |
> Indexes:
>      "password_pk" PRIMARY KEY, btree (password_id)
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Vassilis Papadimos wrote:
>
> > Vassilis Papadimos wrote:
> >> Thomas J Keller wrote:
> >>> Excellent.
> >>> So the first step is to create an empty table:
> >>>
> >>> passwords=# CREATE TABLE foo_bar LIKE original_table;
> >>> ERROR:  syntax error at or near "LIKE" at character 22
> >>> LINE 1: CREATE TABLE foo_bar LIKE original_table;
> >> SQL doesn't have this "do what I mean" feature yet :-)
> >
> > Ahem... Apparently SQL *does* have this "do what I mean" feature
> > (or at least PostgreSQL does!) I've never heard of it before.
> >
> > But you have to write it like this:
> >
> > CREATE TABLE foo_bar (like original_table);
> >
> > (Including the parentheses.)
> >
> > I still like the
> >
> > SELECT DISTINCT * FROM original_table INTO foo_bar;
> >
> > solution though, two birds with one stone...
> >
> > Vassilis.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------(end of
> > broadcast)---------------------------
> > TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
> >
>
>
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-- 
--Ben

From cfrjlr at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 05:35:04 2006
From: cfrjlr at gmail.com (Charles Radley)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:35:04 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] FIOS (was Re:  Instance hash ( keyed array ))
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1161284432.2895.pdx-pm-list@pm.org>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAALYlBvzYJ/EGXwOzzYktB/8JHDAAQAAAAVuyP7346FUiqnbpAZZ1fqQEAAAAA@gmail.com>


FIOS recently became available on my street (on Bull Mountain).  But I have
had comcast cable broadband for 4 years which is plenty for my needs.  If I
switch to FIOS I would lose my comcast email address and free web space.
And FIOS is slightly more expensive than cable.

I cannot think of any reason for me to switch right now.

I am not sure why anyone would need that much bandwidth, unless they were
running a server farm.

If FIOS begins to offer video on demand and cable channel content, then I
could justify the switch, but right now I get all of that on cable.

It is puzzling why Verizon chose to put FIOS into a market which is already
saturated with Comcast cable.  Perhaps they are targeting DSL users, but DSL
was so slow coming to this area that Comcast cable got in ahead of it.

Charles F. Radley
 
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> 
> Michael G Schwern wrote:
> > Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> >>>  Time to replace that 300 baud modem with cable or DSL!
> >> Losing the DSL the end of the month and Adelphia has been 
> bought by 
> >> Time Warner Telecomm so it is interesting trying to get a price or 
> >> place order online.  That 300 baud modem is looking more 
> likely daily -- well
> >>    actually a 56k is what I'll have to use if.
> > 
> > Maybe you're one of those lucky bastards who can get FIOS.
> > http://www.verizon.net/vonads/fios/default.asp
> 
> No such luck.  I live in the 'wilds' of North Idaho -- well 
> not too wild Hayden ( Coeur d'Alene ) still Verizon/GTE has 
> had this area up for sale for years.
> 
> But my up side is the wireless will ready near the end of the month.
> 
> Rod
> -- 
> > Gotta be something good about living out in Beaverton.
> 
> 

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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 14:13:47 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:13:47 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Apress User Group Newsletter--Early Fall Edition
Message-ID: <200610201413.48192.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Nothing about Perl this month?

----------  Forwarded Message:  ----------

Subject: Apress User Group Newsletter--Early Fall Edition
Date: Friday 20 October 2006 10:11 am
From: Janet Crosbie <janet at apress.com>
To: scratchcomputing at gmail.com

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Apress User Group Newsletter
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From schwern at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 22:45:27 2006
From: schwern at gmail.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:45:27 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] FIOS (was Re:  Instance hash ( keyed array ))
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAALYlBvzYJ/EGXwOzzYktB/8JHDAAQAAAAVuyP7346FUiqnbpAZZ1fqQEAAAAA@gmail.com>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAALYlBvzYJ/EGXwOzzYktB/8JHDAAQAAAAVuyP7346FUiqnbpAZZ1fqQEAAAAA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4539B3F7.7040806@gmail.com>

Charles Radley wrote:
> FIOS recently became available on my street (on Bull Mountain).  But I have
> had comcast cable broadband for 4 years which is plenty for my needs.  If I
> switch to FIOS I would lose my comcast email address and free web space.
> And FIOS is slightly more expensive than cable.
> 
> I cannot think of any reason for me to switch right now.
> 
> I am not sure why anyone would need that much bandwidth, unless they were
> running a server farm.

Years and years ago I had arguments on BBS' about how 2400 baud was plenty for anyone and you didn't need a 9600 baud modem because it was faster than you could read. ;)

Give me bandwidth and I'll expand my usage to fill it.


> If FIOS begins to offer video on demand and cable channel content, then I
> could justify the switch, but right now I get all of that on cable.

They do.  They also do VOIP.  The only real downside is that since FIOS requires power if you lose power you lose your phone.  There's a 4-8 hour backup battery.


> It is puzzling why Verizon chose to put FIOS into a market which is already
> saturated with Comcast cable.  Perhaps they are targeting DSL users, but DSL
> was so slow coming to this area that Comcast cable got in ahead of it.

The investment is huge (I've seen numbers around $500-$1000 per house) but copper is reaching its limit.  Fiber is just getting started.  If they pull it off they'll have a huge head start on everyone else.  So its a long term infrastructure investment.  It also means they can offer Internet, TV and phone and compete with the cable companies which are offering the same thing.


From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Mon Oct 23 21:59:55 2006
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:59:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think that I'm trying to make things too hard.
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>

So I'm building a small site for a client. Durring the process I
started playing with the idea that every page is a module, there are
some that just needed to be text, others that needed to do things.
Though, things didn't go as easily as I would have liked, and I ended
up going about things the longer way to make it all go. But I was
wondering if there was a cleaner/better way of doing this.

The crux of things is that I am attempting to use a var to call these
module/pages. So I was hopeing for something along the lines of:

my $action=CGI::param('action');
$data->{'body'}=local::$action::generate_page_data();

problem is that I get a 'bad name after local::' error.

So my second go was to use require, and then just call
generate_page_data(). But it looks like require doesn't append to name
space the way use does so I keep getting undefined subroutine
&main::generate_page_data();

so in the end I just ditched things and built subs in page and called
them... it works but its not as elegant as I would like it to be....
so I'm tossing this out to the group. How would you have solved this
kinda problem? Is my thinking off? I think that it's an idea that I
want to take another stab at but just looking for some input.

thanks
-- 
benh~

From naterajj at gmail.com  Mon Oct 23 22:36:04 2006
From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think that I'm trying to make things too hard.
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <349627440610232236p3e8ed324ib2a534eabda5dc79@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

One way of doing this is:

my $action = CGI::param('action');
eval 'require $action;' && $data->{body} = $action->generate_page();

given that $action contains the name of your module, say 'PageA'.

package PageA;
use strict;
use warnings;

sub generate_page {
    my $class = shift;
   # generate the page here
}

1;

This has a few holes though, what if the user forces $action to be
something undersirable? what if you forgot to create generate_page? or
if you misspelled it? etc.

You'll be better off by using an existing web framework, like
CGI::Prototype or CGI::Application.

Regards,

JJ

On 10/23/06, benh <ben.hengst at gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm building a small site for a client. Durring the process I
> started playing with the idea that every page is a module, there are
> some that just needed to be text, others that needed to do things.
> Though, things didn't go as easily as I would have liked, and I ended
> up going about things the longer way to make it all go. But I was
> wondering if there was a cleaner/better way of doing this.
>
> The crux of things is that I am attempting to use a var to call these
> module/pages. So I was hopeing for something along the lines of:
>
> my $action=CGI::param('action');
> $data->{'body'}=local::$action::generate_page_data();
>
> problem is that I get a 'bad name after local::' error.
>
> So my second go was to use require, and then just call
> generate_page_data(). But it looks like require doesn't append to name
> space the way use does so I keep getting undefined subroutine
> &main::generate_page_data();
>
> so in the end I just ditched things and built subs in page and called
> them... it works but its not as elegant as I would like it to be....
> so I'm tossing this out to the group. How would you have solved this
> kinda problem? Is my thinking off? I think that it's an idea that I
> want to take another stab at but just looking for some input.
>
> thanks
> --
> benh~
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>

From naterajj at gmail.com  Mon Oct 23 22:38:43 2006
From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:38:43 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think that I'm trying to make things too hard.
In-Reply-To: <349627440610232236p3e8ed324ib2a534eabda5dc79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
	<349627440610232236p3e8ed324ib2a534eabda5dc79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <349627440610232238r6bac91aid949450c3d8dee9d@mail.gmail.com>

make that:

eval "require $action" && $data->{body} = $action->generate_page();

On 10/23/06, Juan Jose Natera <naterajj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> One way of doing this is:
>
> my $action = CGI::param('action');
> eval 'require $action;' && $data->{body} = $action->generate_page();
>
> given that $action contains the name of your module, say 'PageA'.
>
> package PageA;
> use strict;
> use warnings;
>
> sub generate_page {
>     my $class = shift;
>    # generate the page here
> }
>
> 1;
>
> This has a few holes though, what if the user forces $action to be
> something undersirable? what if you forgot to create generate_page? or
> if you misspelled it? etc.
>
> You'll be better off by using an existing web framework, like
> CGI::Prototype or CGI::Application.
>
> Regards,
>
> JJ
>
> On 10/23/06, benh <ben.hengst at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So I'm building a small site for a client. Durring the process I
> > started playing with the idea that every page is a module, there are
> > some that just needed to be text, others that needed to do things.
> > Though, things didn't go as easily as I would have liked, and I ended
> > up going about things the longer way to make it all go. But I was
> > wondering if there was a cleaner/better way of doing this.
> >
> > The crux of things is that I am attempting to use a var to call these
> > module/pages. So I was hopeing for something along the lines of:
> >
> > my $action=CGI::param('action');
> > $data->{'body'}=local::$action::generate_page_data();
> >
> > problem is that I get a 'bad name after local::' error.
> >
> > So my second go was to use require, and then just call
> > generate_page_data(). But it looks like require doesn't append to name
> > space the way use does so I keep getting undefined subroutine
> > &main::generate_page_data();
> >
> > so in the end I just ditched things and built subs in page and called
> > them... it works but its not as elegant as I would like it to be....
> > so I'm tossing this out to the group. How would you have solved this
> > kinda problem? Is my thinking off? I think that it's an idea that I
> > want to take another stab at but just looking for some input.
> >
> > thanks
> > --
> > benh~
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> > Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
> >
>

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Mon Oct 23 23:05:10 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:05:10 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think that I'm trying to make things too hard.
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200610232305.10675.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from benh
# on Monday 23 October 2006 09:59 pm:

>local::$action::generate_page_data();

To get what you were trying to get here, that would have to be

  my $subref = eval('\&local::' . $action . '::generate_page_data');
  $subref->();

Juan's is a bit cleaner, but you'll need to build your subs as methods.

Either way, you're using a string eval though, so I hope $action has 
been detainted.  Given that there was no require() in your original 
code, maybe this stuff has already been loaded.  Thus, you could skip 
the string eval if you just use it as a class name.

  my $class = 'local::' . $action;
  eval { $class->can('generate_page_data') } or
    croak("invalid action '$action'");
  $data->{'body'} = $class->generate_page_data;

I prefer that.  You'll still need to add "my $class = shift;" to the 
front of the generate_page_data() definition.

--Eric
-- 
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue Oct 24 03:28:17 2006
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 24 Oct 2006 03:28:17 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think that I'm trying to make things too hard.
In-Reply-To: <349627440610232236p3e8ed324ib2a534eabda5dc79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
	<349627440610232236p3e8ed324ib2a534eabda5dc79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86hcxu2eke.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Juan" == Juan Jose Natera <naterajj at gmail.com> writes:

Juan> Hi,
Juan> One way of doing this is:

Juan> my $action = CGI::param('action');
Juan> eval 'require $action;' && $data->{body} = $action->generate_page();

Luckily, you put single quotes there not double quotes.
Had you actually tried to get this to work, you'd quickly discover
your box has become "owned" by bad guys.

NEVER pass unchecked form data to "eval".  Eeek!

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
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See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

From kellert at ohsu.edu  Tue Oct 24 14:04:13 2006
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Thomas J Keller)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:04:13 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] off topic: internet service providers
Message-ID: <18D45893-6616-4EB5-9412-A07922C16E7F@ohsu.edu>

Greetings,
Sorry for the non-Perl inquiry. I've always had access to the OHSU  
server and didn't have to worry about an ISP. But I'm planning a  
website for my daughter. She's a professional singer (mezzo-soprano).  
Anyway, I'm wondering if people could suggest an ISP, preferably  
based here in Oregon. I'll need permission to upload CGI scripts and  
a PostgresQL database.

Please answer off list.
Thanks,

Tom K
kellert at ohsu.edu
4-2442


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From dks at mediaweb.com  Tue Oct 24 15:45:31 2006
From: dks at mediaweb.com (DK Smith)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:45:31 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Off-Topic: anyone purchased a well-designed SATA enclosure
	from	Oregon retailer?
Message-ID: <1161729931.8133.62.camel@matrix>

Hi,

I'm in the region and wondering if there is there a local Oregon
retailer worthy of recommendation and praise for having superb computer
peripheral products? And perhaps they also stock a well-designed SATA
enclosure, too? 

In any event I am searching low and high for a QUALITY enclosure (one
with a fan for heat exhaust, interfaces for firewire and multiple
firewire devices, at that, eSATA would be useful. Not having much luck.
Typically finding junk products or retailers that discourage phone
usage. I'm also not to keen on dealing with these Internet retailers,
like satagear.com, who appear to possess multiple web site identities
when there is actually one business in Florida. Nothing against FL. :) 

So I thought perhaps I could find a recommendation by one of the good
people on this regional list? 

Cheers,
DK

PS; apologies if I broke canonical rules but this is a great community
with valuable experience to share, right. :)




From tex at off.org  Tue Oct 24 16:09:49 2006
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:09:49 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Off-Topic: anyone purchased a well-designed SATA
	enclosure from	Oregon retailer?
In-Reply-To: <1161729931.8133.62.camel@matrix>
References: <1161729931.8133.62.camel@matrix>
Message-ID: <20061024230949.GX2891@gblx.net>

On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 03:45:31PM -0700, DK Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm in the region and wondering if there is there a local Oregon
> retailer worthy of recommendation and praise for having superb computer
> peripheral products? And perhaps they also stock a well-designed SATA
> enclosure, too? 
> 
> In any event I am searching low and high for a QUALITY enclosure (one
> with a fan for heat exhaust, interfaces for firewire and multiple
> firewire devices, at that, eSATA would be useful. Not having much luck.
> Typically finding junk products or retailers that discourage phone
> usage. I'm also not to keen on dealing with these Internet retailers,
> like satagear.com, who appear to possess multiple web site identities
> when there is actually one business in Florida. Nothing against FL. :) 
> 
> So I thought perhaps I could find a recommendation by one of the good
> people on this regional list? 
> 

	I have had good luck buying from Pacific Solutions on SE Powell
at 52nd.
	Buying from a local company who builds their own systems works
fairly well because they are generally fairly aware about which parts
are the most reliable (if they do a decent volume of business), and they
depend on positive word of mouth.
	That said, they may not have the particular piece of hardware you are
looking for.

	Austin

From schwern at gmail.com  Wed Oct 25 20:19:24 2006
From: schwern at gmail.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think that I'm trying to make things too hard.
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4540293C.7070606@gmail.com>

benh wrote:
> So I'm building a small site for a client. Durring the process I
> started playing with the idea that every page is a module, there are
> some that just needed to be text, others that needed to do things.
> Though, things didn't go as easily as I would have liked, and I ended
> up going about things the longer way to make it all go. But I was
> wondering if there was a cleaner/better way of doing this.
> 
> The crux of things is that I am attempting to use a var to call these
> module/pages. So I was hopeing for something along the lines of:
> 
> my $action=CGI::param('action');
> $data->{'body'}=local::$action::generate_page_data();
> 
> problem is that I get a 'bad name after local::' error.

no strict 'refs';
$data->{body} = &{"local::$action::generate_page_data"};


> so in the end I just ditched things and built subs in page and called
> them... it works but its not as elegant as I would like it to be....
> so I'm tossing this out to the group. How would you have solved this
> kinda problem? Is my thinking off? I think that it's an idea that I
> want to take another stab at but just looking for some input.

You are much better off either A) using one of the many, many modules on CPAN for this.  CGI::Application for example or B) something like...

%action2page = (
	blarg   => sub { return "<B>I AM BLARG!</B>" },
        welcome => sub { return "Welcome to BLARGH!!!<br>" },
        thingy  => \&generate_thingy
);

my $action = CGI->param('action');
$data->{body} = $action2page{$action}->();

No namespace munging.  No possibility of arbitrary code execution.

Error handling is left as an exercise for the reader.

From tex at off.org  Wed Oct 25 20:24:27 2006
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:24:27 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] I think that I'm trying to make things too hard.
In-Reply-To: <4540293C.7070606@gmail.com>
References: <85ddf48b0610232159i2b70d002le9e010ae5623218b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4540293C.7070606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061026032427.GG2891@gblx.net>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 08:19:24PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> benh wrote:
> > So I'm building a small site for a client. Durring the process I
> > started playing with the idea that every page is a module, there are
> > some that just needed to be text, others that needed to do things.
> > Though, things didn't go as easily as I would have liked, and I ended
> > up going about things the longer way to make it all go. But I was
> > wondering if there was a cleaner/better way of doing this.
> > 
> > The crux of things is that I am attempting to use a var to call these
> > module/pages. So I was hopeing for something along the lines of:
> > 
> > my $action=CGI::param('action');
> > $data->{'body'}=local::$action::generate_page_data();
> > 
> > problem is that I get a 'bad name after local::' error.
> 
> no strict 'refs';
> $data->{body} = &{"local::$action::generate_page_data"};

	While this works, I tend to use {}s around variable names
to disambiguate them inside double quotes:

$data->{body} = &{"local::${action}::generate_page_data"};

or

$data->{body} = &{ 'local::' . $action . '::generate_page_data' };

that way you don't have to remember the precedence rules when/if
$action::generate_page_data is defined. But, ah, you're right about it
being something to generally avoid in the first place.

	Austin

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 14:55:12 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:55:12 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] November Meeting -- Crucible
Message-ID: <200610261455.13138.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Wednesday Nov 8th, 6:53pm at FreeGeek -- 1731 SE 10th Ave.

  Only two weeks from (as usual) yesterday!

                        Crucible
                        Crucible
                        Crucible
                        Crucible

                        Crucible
  "An Automatic Slicing, Dicing, and Rebooting Test Harness"
    with Bryce Harrington
 
Crucible is a test harness in use at OSDL which utilizes several Perl 
modules, along with a mess of bash scripts, to provide a generalized 
automated testing system.  They use Crucible for testing NFSv4, Linux 
CPU and Memory hotplug, Inkscape, Cairo, and GeGL.  It coordinates 
tests across a collection of different machines of different 
architectures; it handles automated power cycling to test-boot new 
kernels; it can reimage, capture console logs, etc.; it can coordinate 
multi-client/server configurations; it slices; it dices; it'll even CUT 
THROUGH A TIN CAN!1!!

Most of the Perl components have been uploaded to CPAN, including one 
set of modules for editing/updating different kinds of bootloader 
config files, called Linux::Bootloader, another module WWW::PkgFind for 
downloading software packages from web or ftp sites, or from 
cvs/git/svn, and another set of modules for parsing test output from 
different kinds of test programs, called Test::Parser.  We've also 
recently added a module, Test::Presenter, that employs an XML database 
to recombobulate parsed test data into forms that Chart::Graph::Gnuplot 
and similar modules can use for making pretty SVG graphs.

more info:  http://crucible.sourceforge.net/

As always, the meeting will be followed by beer at the Lucky Lab.  If 
it's your second meeting, I buy you a beer.  December's special is "I 
buy you a beer if your mother's maiden name starts with a Q", so don't 
skip.  Also, I just got a new load of bling in the mail, which means we 
have to have a contest to see who takes home the special secret prize.

--Eric
-- 

        http://pdx.pm.org

From chromatic at wgz.org  Thu Oct 26 23:46:09 2006
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:46:09 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] November Meeting -- Crucible
In-Reply-To: <200610261455.13138.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200610261455.13138.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <200610262346.09406.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Thursday 26 October 2006 14:55, Seven till Seven wrote:

> Crucible is a test harness in use at OSDL which utilizes several Perl
> modules, along with a mess of bash scripts, to provide a generalized
> automated testing system. ?They use Crucible for testing NFSv4, Linux
> CPU and Memory hotplug, Inkscape, Cairo, and GeGL.

One fun fact is that Inkscape, Cairo, and GeGL all do... GRAPHICS.  Hm, 
testing graphics.  Interesting.

-- c

From kellert at ohsu.edu  Fri Oct 27 12:48:55 2006
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Thomas J Keller)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:48:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] dependencies problem
Message-ID: <E78C143D-7896-4D6C-84FD-A91F15933F16@ohsu.edu>

Greetings,
I'm trying to update the BioPerl bundle on my MacBook (intel core  
duo), OSX 10.4.8. One of the dependencies is the libpng lib files.  
I'm using the darwin optimized makefile but get this:
littlecatb:~/Desktop/libpng-1.2.12 kellert$ make test
gcc -s -L/usr/local/lib -o pngtest pngtest.o libpng.a -lz -lm
/usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols:
_png_mmx_support
_png_combine_row
_png_do_read_interlace
_png_read_filter_row
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [pngtest] Error 1


Could someone suggest a solution or workaround for this?

Thanks,
Tom K


Thomas J. Keller, Ph.D.
Director, MMI Core Facility
Oregon Health & Science University
3181 SW Sam Jackson Park Rd.
Portland, OR, USA,   97239

http://www.ohsu.edu/research/core

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From schwern at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 16:46:01 2006
From: schwern at gmail.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:46:01 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] dependencies problem
In-Reply-To: <E78C143D-7896-4D6C-84FD-A91F15933F16@ohsu.edu>
References: <E78C143D-7896-4D6C-84FD-A91F15933F16@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <45429A39.7060403@gmail.com>

Thomas J Keller wrote:
> Greetings,
> I'm trying to update the BioPerl bundle on my MacBook (intel core duo),
> OSX 10.4.8. One of the dependencies is the libpng lib files. I'm using
> the darwin optimized makefile but get this:
> littlecatb:~/Desktop/libpng-1.2.12 kellert$ make test
> gcc -s -L/usr/local/lib -o pngtest pngtest.o libpng.a -lz -lm
> /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols:
> _png_mmx_support
> _png_combine_row
> _png_do_read_interlace
> _png_read_filter_row
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make: *** [pngtest] Error 1
> 
> 
> Could someone suggest a solution or workaround for this?

Rather than compiling things yourself, try using the libpng provided by a package manager like fink (fink.sf.net) or Macports (macports.org).  They'll have already done whatever patching is necessary to make it work on OS X.