From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 16:44:35 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:44:35 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] REMINDER: What I Learned at OSCON -- August meeting
Message-ID: <200608021644.35983.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Seven days, three hours, and 9 minutes away.  (about a week)

  Wed, August 9th 6:53pm at FreeGeek.

A lot of us went to OSCON and/or the activities around it this year.  Of 
course it is impossible for any one person to have caught everything 
interesting, so the August meeting will be a lightning-round of 
informational tidbits.

  What did you learn in the tutorials, sessions, hallway, and exhibits?

  What was the coolest thing Damian taught you about vim?

  What were the coolest sessions?

  How did your presentation go?

  When should we short our MS stock?

  Who threw the best parties?

  Where was the best beer/food?

  Who did you meet and what are they working on?

  Why are pdx.pm shirts so popular with the ladies?

If you didn't go to OSCON, you may be asked what you learned at 
notOSCON, but come anyway and catch-up on the latest.

Bring at least one or two buzzwords or URLs.  If you want to talk for a 
couple minutes about one thing, there will probably be time.  We'll try 
to go around once or twice.

At the end we'll have a handful of possible topics for future meetings 
and a whole pile of conversation starters for the bar.

--Eric
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        http://pdx.pm.org

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 09:23:38 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:23:38 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] *.pm shirts Fwd: [pm_groups] Last call for Perl Monger
	shirts
Message-ID: <200608030923.39054.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

If you're not into Portland-specific shirts, you might want to get a 
plain-old PM shirt with a camel on it.  Or, maybe just need two or more 
perlish (do they dwym?) shirts (never hurts to always be wearing 
something that says Perl on it.)

If you're interested, ping me off-list.

Of course, if you just want a short-sleeve shirt and didn't get one last 
year, I still have some of those (and they'll be going on clearance at 
the next meeting, though sizes are limited.)

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Subject: [pm_groups] Last call for Perl Monger shirts
Date: Thursday 03 August 2006 06:09 am
From: Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net>
To: pm_groups at pm.org
Cc: shirts at jays.net

The order is wrapping up over the next 5 days, so if you want it on the
 action please get your list to me by Aug 8th.

Everything I know is here, including shipping addresses (click
 "shipping info"):

http://omaha.pm.org/shirts.shtml

We're at 102 shirts so far. :)

I'm still trying to get the following:
- preliminary S&H for group leaders
- final answer on toddler sizes
- digital copy of the artwork for future runs

So in the 14 days after Aug 8th hopefully we can:
- Get all S&H quotes finalized.
- Get all payments done.
- Set the printer loose. From final order to your hands in 3 weeks
 (shipments from Worcester, MA  USA).

This is my 2nd and final email to pm_groups at pm.org about this shirt
 order. Lets keep discussion on my private mailing list
 (shirts at jays.net) so we don't annoy the non-interested groups on the
 main group leader mailing list. If you want on my list and aren't
 already (see URL above), just let me know.

Cheers,

j
Omaha.pm

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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 20:14:46 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:14:46 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, August 4
Message-ID: <200608042014.46278.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Esteemed Mongers of Perl,

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Read on for more books, articles, conferences, and other stuff that I 
can't briefly summarize without staying brief.

Request a review book/pdf, etc.

--Eric

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Subject: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, August 4
Date: Friday 04 August 2006 03:10 pm
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To: ewilhelm at cpan.org

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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 11:04:05 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:04:05 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] fun with import()
Message-ID: <200608061104.05605.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

If any module anywhere does "use UNIVERSAL;" or "require UNIVERSAL", 
everyone automatically is using Exporter::import() unless they 
explicitly declared their own import sub.  Bug?

  $ perl -e 'package Bar; package Bah; Bar->import("foo")'
  (silent okayness)

  $ perl -e 'package Bar;
    package Bah; use UNIVERSAL; Bar->import("foo");'
  "foo" is not exported by the Bar module
  Can't continue after import errors at -e line 1

  $ perl -e 'package Bar; our $v = 2; our @EXPORT = qw($v);
    package Bah; use UNIVERSAL; Bar->import(qw($v)); print $v;'
  2

  $ perl -e 'package Bar; our $v = 2; our @EXPORT = qw($v);
    package Bah; Bar->import(qw($v)); print $v;'
  2

Seems to violate the "it's okay if you asked for it" thing.  Shouldn't 
UNIVERSAL.pm try a little harder? (e.g. import() does return unless 
$package eq "UNIVERSAL")

Bit of a weird case in that I had stubbed-out some use Foo (...) 
parameters before actually implementing them and meanwhile tried use a 
module with antlers which will remain unnamed.  Somewhere in one of the 
dependencies is "UNIVERSAL::require", which leads to "UNIVERSAL".  How 
did I find this?  I leveraged a hack mentioned in a recent meeting by 
pdx.pm's own chromatic:

  BEGIN {
    unshift @INC, sub {
      my $self = shift;
      print join('|', @_), "\n";
      print "  ", join('|', caller), "\n";
      print "  ", join('|', %UNIVERSAL::), "\n";
      print "\n";
      return;
    };
  }
  use Moose;

Anyway, the head-scratching and subsequent @INC-hacking was interesting.  
And, now we know that everybody gets Exporter's import() whether they 
want it or ask for it or not, so you can safely ignore the Exporter.pm 
documentation and just do:

  use UNIVERSAL;
  our @EXPORT_OK = qw(foo bar baz);

But wait, UNIVERSAL might get fixed at some point, so just in case, 
let's permanently install the breakage:

  BEGIN { require Exporter; *UNIVERSAL::import = \&Exporter::import; }

Maybe we should collect this sort of thing into Bork.pm and put it on 
CPAN (assuming it hasn't already been done.)  A pdx.pm project perhaps?

--Eric
-- 
Moving pianos is dangerous.
Moving pianos are dangerous.
Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
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From chromatic at wgz.org  Sun Aug  6 13:45:00 2006
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:45:00 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] fun with import()
In-Reply-To: <200608061104.05605.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200608061104.05605.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <200608061345.01492.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Sunday 06 August 2006 11:04, Eric Wilhelm wrote:

> If any module anywhere does "use UNIVERSAL;" or "require UNIVERSAL",
> everyone automatically is using Exporter::import() unless they
> explicitly declared their own import sub.  Bug?

Yep, and a nasty one as it allows you to say:

	use UNIVERSAL 'isa';

... and:

	use UNIVERSAL 'can';

... and pretend as if isa() and can() are functions.  (They're not.  Is anyone 
getting tired of hearing me say this yet?  Tell your friends.)

The comment in UNIVERSAL.pm reads:

	# The use of Exporter below is a historical
	# accident that can't be fixed without breaking code.  Note that we
	# *don't* set @ISA here, don't want all classes/objects inheriting from
	# Exporter.  It's bad enough that all classes have a import() method
	# whenever UNIVERSAL.pm is loaded.

I did fix the documentation in bleadperl to suggest therapy instead of 
importing isa() and can(); I'm not sure if it went into maintperl at some 
point.

-- c

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 15:48:12 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:48:12 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] fun with import()
In-Reply-To: <200608061345.01492.chromatic@wgz.org>
References: <200608061104.05605.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<200608061345.01492.chromatic@wgz.org>
Message-ID: <200608061548.13254.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from chromatic
# on Sunday 06 August 2006 01:45 pm:

>????????use UNIVERSAL 'isa';
>...
>... and pretend as if isa() and can() are functions.

Justifiable finger-wagging aside, is that the only "historical accident" 
part of it?  If so, that is fixable.

Is anyone relying on Foo->import() landing in UNIVERSAL::import()?  I 
would say it would be fair enough to break it.

>The comment in UNIVERSAL.pm reads:
>????????# The use of Exporter below is a historical
>????????# accident that can't be fixed without breaking code.

Roughly:

  # can/t.pm
  package can::t;
  require UNIVERSAL;
  require Exporter;
  *UNIVERSAL::import = sub {
    my $self = shift;
    ($self eq 'UNIVERSAL') or return; # should we goto somewhere?
    @_ or return;
    carp("chromatic said to stop it (and tell your friends)");
    Exporter::import($self, @_);
  };

We'll have to work on the edge cases of storing an intentionally 
installed UNIVERSAL::import (but maybe anyone doing that should `use 
can't "don't";` or something.)  And, I guess `no can't` might also be 
in order because sometimes it helps to have enough rope to shoot 
yourself in the foot with.

>I did fix the documentation in bleadperl to suggest therapy instead of
>importing isa() and can(); I'm not sure if it went into maintperl at
> some point.

Just breaking it might get their attention.

  $ perldoc -f use | grep -A 1 'If no "import"'
  ...  If no "import" method can be found then the call is
  skipped.

IMO, that pod is much more visible than an "I wish this weren't so" 
comment.

--Eric
-- 
Chicken farmer's observation:  Clunk is the past tense of cluck.
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Sun Aug  6 16:28:31 2006
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 06 Aug 2006 16:28:31 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] fun with import()
In-Reply-To: <200608061548.13254.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200608061104.05605.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<200608061345.01492.chromatic@wgz.org>
	<200608061548.13254.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <86fyg9la00.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Wilhelm <scratchcomputing at gmail.com> writes:

Eric> We'll have to work on the edge cases of storing an intentionally 
Eric> installed UNIVERSAL::import (but maybe anyone doing that should `use 
Eric> can't "don't";` or something.)  And, I guess `no can't` might also be 
Eric> in order because sometimes it helps to have enough rope to shoot 
Eric> yourself in the foot with.

Just don't touch UNIVERSAL::exports, or you'll have James Bond coming after
you.

(Clue for the clueless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Exports)

-- 
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<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
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See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

From chromatic at wgz.org  Sun Aug  6 17:16:37 2006
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:16:37 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] fun with import()
In-Reply-To: <200608061548.13254.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200608061104.05605.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<200608061345.01492.chromatic@wgz.org>
	<200608061548.13254.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <200608061716.37918.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Sunday 06 August 2006 15:48, Eric Wilhelm wrote:

> Justifiable finger-wagging aside, is that the only "historical accident"
> part of it?  If so, that is fixable.

The backwards compatibility police hits!
You take 5080800 damage.  You have died.  -more-

Would you like me to identify your items?

I've lost a lot of characters that way,
-- c

From lemming at quirkyqatz.com  Sun Aug  6 21:39:49 2006
From: lemming at quirkyqatz.com (Mark Morgan)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:39:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] fun with import()
In-Reply-To: <200608061716.37918.chromatic@wgz.org>
References: <200608061104.05605.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<200608061345.01492.chromatic@wgz.org>
	<200608061548.13254.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<200608061716.37918.chromatic@wgz.org>
Message-ID: <1191.12.176.204.25.1154925589.squirrel@webmail12.pair.com>

Dang it. That amulet I got was made from an old tin ration!

chromatic wrote:
> On Sunday 06 August 2006 15:48, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Justifiable finger-wagging aside, is that the only "historical accident"
>> part of it?  If so, that is fixable.
>
> The backwards compatibility police hits!
> You take 5080800 damage.  You have died.  -more-
>
> Would you like me to identify your items?
>
> I've lost a lot of characters that way,
> -- c

From kevin at scaldeferri.com  Tue Aug  8 17:18:59 2006
From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:18:59 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] quick intro
Message-ID: <4a75807deaa88ea1f079b4d1981f60d2@scaldeferri.com>

Hi, I just thought I'd send a quick hello to the list.

I'm going to be moving to Portland in the end of September, and I'll be 
in town for the next 10 days or so looking for housing.  Assuming my 
flight isn't horribly late, I'm hoping to make tomorrow's meeting.  
I've met some of you before at YAPC and OSCONs, so it'll be good to say 
hello again, and to meet some new people (and to hear what I missed by 
not going to this year's conference).


  -- Kevin Scaldeferri


PS - anyone have recommendations for places to look for house rentals 
other than Craigslist?


From krisb at ring.org  Tue Aug  8 17:16:08 2006
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:16:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] quick intro
In-Reply-To: <4a75807deaa88ea1f079b4d1981f60d2@scaldeferri.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608081714240.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>


	Hey Kevin, welcome.  Are you going to be working near Hawthorn
Farm max station?  My neighborhood is nearby, it is quite nice and there
are some for-rent signs in house windows.  I can give you more information
if you are interested.

-Kris

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Kevin Scaldeferri wrote:

> Hi, I just thought I'd send a quick hello to the list.
>
> I'm going to be moving to Portland in the end of September, and I'll be
> in town for the next 10 days or so looking for housing.  Assuming my
> flight isn't horribly late, I'm hoping to make tomorrow's meeting.
> I've met some of you before at YAPC and OSCONs, so it'll be good to say
> hello again, and to meet some new people (and to hear what I missed by
> not going to this year's conference).
>
>
>   -- Kevin Scaldeferri
>
>
> PS - anyone have recommendations for places to look for house rentals
> other than Craigslist?
>
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From perl-pm at joshheumann.com  Tue Aug  8 17:33:16 2006
From: perl-pm at joshheumann.com (Josh Heumann)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:33:16 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] quick intro
In-Reply-To: <4a75807deaa88ea1f079b4d1981f60d2@scaldeferri.com>
References: <4a75807deaa88ea1f079b4d1981f60d2@scaldeferri.com>
Message-ID: <20060809003316.GA4210@joshheumann.com>

<quote who='Kevin Scaldeferri' when='Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 05:18:59PM -0700'>
> Hi, I just thought I'd send a quick hello to the list.

> PS - anyone have recommendations for places to look for house rentals 
> other than Craigslist?

Howdy, Kevin.  I found a great house for rent in the Willamette Week,
the local weekly: http://portland.wweek.com/gyrobase/classifieds/index

Josh

PS.  In case no one's told you yet, 'Willamette' rhymes with 'damn it.'

From xrdawson at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 18:59:20 2006
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:59:20 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Future of podcasting is dim! (was: Re: What I Learned at
	OSCON -- August meeting announcement)
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30608081858qd0e1ef6vba798fcfde9782c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <659b9ea30608081858qd0e1ef6vba798fcfde9782c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30608081859n5db07b18l7142f5135fb5ea67@mail.gmail.com>

Just an FYI for the meeting tomorrow:  the podcast transceiver is
broken.  FreeGeek is unfortunately a bit too chaotic to reliably leave
equipment without a great risk of breakage.  The microphone is pretty
much on its last legs, and the receiver now seems to be completely
dead.  I think FOSCON (damn rubyists) killed it.  So, my question is:
are people interested in the podcasts at all?  I really don't want to
spend the money on another wireless microphone set that will probably
get destroyed again if no one cares or listens to these.  If people do
find the podcast useful, would anyone be interested in contributing a
few bucks to buy another microphone?  They are $80 at Frys.

So, informal survey: do you like the podcasts?  Do you listen to them
from time to time?  Would you like to see them continue, or would you
prefer that we save our valuable tubes for more important things like
porn and internet gambling?

Chris

On 7/30/06, Eric Wilhelm <scratchcomputing at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, what *you* learned at OSCON (all I got was ack.)
>
>   Wed, August 9th 6:53pm at FreeGeek.
>
> A lot of us went to OSCON and/or the activities around it this year.  Of
> course it is impossible for any one person to have caught everything
> interesting, so the August meeting will be a lightning-round of
> informational tidbits.
>
>   What did you learn in the tutorials, sessions, hallway, and exhibits?
>
>   What was the coolest thing Damian taught you about vim?
>
>   What were the coolest sessions?
>
>   How did your presentation go?
>
>   When should we short our MS stock?
>
>   Who threw the best parties?
>
>   Where was the best beer/food?
>
>   Who did you meet and what are they working on?
>
>   Why are pdx.pm shirts so popular with the ladies?
>
> If you didn't go to OSCON, you may be asked what you learned at
> notOSCON, but come anyway and catch-up on the latest.
>
> Bring at least one or two buzzwords or URLs.  If you want to talk for a
> couple minutes about one thing, there will probably be time.  We'll try
> to go around once or twice.
>
> At the end we'll have a handful of possible topics for future meetings
> and a whole pile of conversation starters for the bar.
>
> --Eric
> --
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From randall at sonofhans.net  Tue Aug  8 19:11:14 2006
From: randall at sonofhans.net (Randall Hansen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:11:14 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Future of podcasting is TBD
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30608081859n5db07b18l7142f5135fb5ea67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <659b9ea30608081858qd0e1ef6vba798fcfde9782c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<659b9ea30608081859n5db07b18l7142f5135fb5ea67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E05D8AB-AC71-426A-93B2-304BC9476FE9@sonofhans.net>

On Aug 8, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Chris Dawson wrote:

> So, informal survey: do you like the podcasts?

i listen to about 1/3 of them.  i'd chip in $10 for a mic.

> Would you like to see them continue, or would you prefer that we  
> save our valuable tubes for more important things like porn and  
> internet gambling?

don't forget bomb-making.

r


From krisb at ring.org  Tue Aug  8 22:18:09 2006
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:18:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Future of podcasting is TBD
In-Reply-To: <4E05D8AB-AC71-426A-93B2-304BC9476FE9@sonofhans.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608082216090.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>


	I never listen, but I would chip in $10 because I think it is
worthwhile.

	Please buy our <a
href=http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/06/08/08/1643241.shtml>invisible
sky tubes</a>.

-Kris

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Randall Hansen wrote:

> On Aug 8, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Chris Dawson wrote:
>
> > So, informal survey: do you like the podcasts?
>
> i listen to about 1/3 of them.  i'd chip in $10 for a mic.
>
> > Would you like to see them continue, or would you prefer that we
> > save our valuable tubes for more important things like porn and
> > internet gambling?
>
> don't forget bomb-making.
>
> r
>
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From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 23:13:34 2006
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] quick intro
In-Reply-To: <20060809003316.GA4210@joshheumann.com>
References: <4a75807deaa88ea1f079b4d1981f60d2@scaldeferri.com>
	<20060809003316.GA4210@joshheumann.com>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0608082313v551d2f2fs12d14ddfff734403@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Kevin, Welcome to town.

benh~

On 8/8/06, Josh Heumann <perl-pm at joshheumann.com> wrote:
> <quote who='Kevin Scaldeferri' when='Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 05:18:59PM -0700'>
> > Hi, I just thought I'd send a quick hello to the list.
>
> > PS - anyone have recommendations for places to look for house rentals
> > other than Craigslist?
>
> Howdy, Kevin.  I found a great house for rent in the Willamette Week,
> the local weekly: http://portland.wweek.com/gyrobase/classifieds/index
>
> Josh
>
> PS.  In case no one's told you yet, 'Willamette' rhymes with 'damn it.'
> _______________________________________________
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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 08:52:52 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:52:52 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] REMINDER: What I Learned at OSCON -- August meeting
Message-ID: <200608090852.52340.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Tonight!

  Wed, August 9th 6:53pm at FreeGeek.

A lot of us went to OSCON and/or the activities around it this year.  Of 
course it is impossible for any one person to have caught everything 
interesting, so the August meeting will be a lightning-round of 
informational tidbits.

  What did you learn in the tutorials, sessions, hallway, and exhibits?

  What was the coolest thing Damian taught you about vim?

  What were the coolest sessions?

  How did your presentation go?

  When should we short our MS stock?

  Who threw the best parties?

  Where was the best beer/food?

  Who did you meet and what are they working on?

  Why are pdx.pm shirts so popular with the ladies?

If you didn't go to OSCON, you may be asked what you learned at 
notOSCON, but come anyway and catch-up on the latest.

Bring at least one or two buzzwords or URLs.  If you want to talk for a 
couple minutes about one thing, there will probably be time.  We'll try 
to go around once or twice.

At the end we'll have a handful of possible topics for future meetings 
and a whole pile of conversation starters for the bar.

--Eric
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        http://pdx.pm.org

From tex at off.org  Wed Aug  9 08:55:20 2006
From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:55:20 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Future of podcasting is dim! (was: Re: What I Learned
	at OSCON -- August meeting announcement)
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30608081859n5db07b18l7142f5135fb5ea67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <659b9ea30608081858qd0e1ef6vba798fcfde9782c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<659b9ea30608081859n5db07b18l7142f5135fb5ea67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060809155520.GH28934@gblx.net>

On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 06:59:20PM -0700, Chris Dawson wrote:
> Just an FYI for the meeting tomorrow:  the podcast transceiver is
> broken.  FreeGeek is unfortunately a bit too chaotic to reliably leave
> equipment without a great risk of breakage.  The microphone is pretty
> much on its last legs, and the receiver now seems to be completely
> dead.  I think FOSCON (damn rubyists) killed it.  So, my question is:
> are people interested in the podcasts at all?  I really don't want to
> spend the money on another wireless microphone set that will probably
> get destroyed again if no one cares or listens to these.  If people do
> find the podcast useful, would anyone be interested in contributing a
> few bucks to buy another microphone?  They are $80 at Frys.
> 
> So, informal survey: do you like the podcasts?  Do you listen to them
> from time to time?  Would you like to see them continue, or would you
> prefer that we save our valuable tubes for more important things like
> porn and internet gambling?
> 


	I would also throw $10. It frequently happens I can't make the
monthly meeting because of familial responsibilities but would still like
to hear the presentations.

	Austin

From kcomandich at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 09:37:08 2006
From: kcomandich at gmail.com (Kirsten Comandich)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:37:08 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Future of podcasting is TBD
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608082216090.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>
References: <4E05D8AB-AC71-426A-93B2-304BC9476FE9@sonofhans.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0608082216090.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <3fdc5fbe0608090937o18e78949p3c978bd68ffe5242@mail.gmail.com>

I'd also contribute $10. I have been listening to some of them, and (more
commonly) intend to listen to others.

Thanks,
Kirsten
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From allison at perl.org  Wed Aug  9 13:53:37 2006
From: allison at perl.org (Allison Randal)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:53:37 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] REMINDER: What I Learned at OSCON -- August meeting
In-Reply-To: <200608090852.52340.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200608090852.52340.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <44DA4B51.30101@perl.org>

I also have a stack of books that shipped too late for the Perl 
Foundation auction at OSCON, including Perl Hacks, Perl Best Practices, 
Advanced Perl Programming (2nd ed), and Intermediate Perl. $10 a book 
and all proceeds go to TPF.

Allison

From publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  9 14:51:10 2006
From: publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com (Ovid)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:51:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] REMINDER: What I Learned at OSCON -- August meeting
In-Reply-To: <44DA4B51.30101@perl.org>
Message-ID: <20060809215110.23049.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Allison Randal <allison at perl.org>

> I also have a stack of books that shipped too late for the Perl 
> Foundation auction at OSCON, including Perl Hacks, Perl Best Practices, 
> Advanced Perl Programming (2nd ed), and Intermediate Perl. $10 a book 
> and all proceeds go to TPF.

Damn!  I've been meaning to pick up a copy of Intermediate Perl just to complete my collection. I don't suppose you take British Pounds? :)

Ah well, I can pick it up over here.  Saves the hassle of shipping.

Cheers,
Ovid
 
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From xrdawson at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 22:17:55 2006
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:17:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Future of podcasting is TBD
In-Reply-To: <3fdc5fbe0608090937o18e78949p3c978bd68ffe5242@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E05D8AB-AC71-426A-93B2-304BC9476FE9@sonofhans.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0608082216090.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>
	<3fdc5fbe0608090937o18e78949p3c978bd68ffe5242@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30608092217r7459062xd6c0cc203ddb0a51@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who have offered to contribute.  I think there were $40
or so in online offers, and I got $45 today at the meeting.  You all
rock.  If you do still care to contribute, please put the money into
my PayPal account:  xrdawson at gmail.com.  The microphone cost $80 (from
Fry's, though I promise never to purchase from there again, thank
you), so if everyone who offered completes their pledge we will have
covered the cost of the new microphone.

I mentioned in the meeting that if we get more than $80 in total I
will either offer to refund the money, or we could consider putting it
to another microphone for use at another community group.  There are
several I have been in contact with who might be interested, so if I
find myself sitting on a big pile of money like Scrooge McDuck, you
will hear from me again with a proposal there.

Again, thanks to everyone who contributed.  It really made me feel
happy to be a part of this group!

Chris

On 8/9/06, Kirsten Comandich <kcomandich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd also contribute $10. I have been listening to some of them, and (more
> commonly) intend to listen to others.
>
> Thanks,
> Kirsten
>
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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 10:28:28 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:28:28 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] hackfest? / Sept meeting
Message-ID: <200608101028.28256.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

We're now taking suggestions on times and places for the hackfests.

Some possible foci:

  * design-pattern snippets (wiki?)
    (Real-world problems, smells, etc and their refactorings, 
    plus tests.  Also maybe script/module templates.)

  * create a module
    * can't
    * Moose::Classless
    * PDX.pm (a "how we have fun with perl" howto distribution?)
    * Inline::Smalltalk

  * build an application
    * freepan
    * seepan (author/module dependency database/search)
    * something else

We also need a speaker/topic for the Sept. meeting.  If the hackfest 
happens and goes well, the participants may be presenting the results 
then (as an aside or possibly as a full-length presentation.)

--Eric
-- 
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
--George Santayana
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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 10:15:52 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:15:52 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] hackfest?
In-Reply-To: <200608101028.28256.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200608101028.28256.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <200608141015.53153.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Eric Wilhelm on Thursday 10 August 2006 10:28 am:
>We're now taking suggestions on times and places for the hackfests.

...the deafening silence suggests that if anything, it might just be a 
coffee fest and possibly an informal Moose clinic.

...
>    * Moose::Classless
(as in:
http://search.cpan.org/~kane/Object-Accessor-0.21/lib/Object/Accessor.pm
)
>    * Inline::Smalltalk
(what? no takers?)


Ok, seriously now.  I'll have more time to assemble a proper hackfest in 
September, and if I'm going to that trouble, we're going to get 
something done :-)
>    * freepan
  http://scratchcomputing.com/developers/svn4cpan/

--Eric
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From xrdawson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 11:51:55 2006
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:51:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] podcasts of last weeks event "OSCON Reflections",
	plus bonus "Open Source in Venezuela" from OSCON
Message-ID: <659b9ea30608141151r22310f1fme1b8f42eaea0c4fb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I posted the podcast from last week where people discussed their
reflections on OSCON.  I also did another podcast from OSCON that was
*really* interesting.  Technically it was not inside the convention
center, but the guys who did it made an abridged talk at OSCON, and
apparently the one I captured was much better since there were no time
constraints.  If you are interested in learning how proprietary
software issues (read:  Microsoft) can exacerbate an oil crisis,
listen to this one.  Super fascinating.

PDX.pm OSCON Reflections
http://podasp.com:8000/P/PD/PDX.pm/961.mp3.m3u
http://pdxpm.podasp.com/rss/meetings.xml

Venezuela and Open Source
http://podasp.com:8000/l/li/libertyhall/898.mp3.m3u
http://libertyhall.podasp.com/rss/libhall.xml

If you have strong feelings about Venezuela and Hugo Chavez, make sure
you watch "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" on Google Video
first.  This was done by an Irish film crew and the footage is,
without hyperbole, nothing short of amazing.

Chris

From xrdawson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 11:53:36 2006
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:53:36 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] podcast microphone donations, who are you?
Message-ID: <659b9ea30608141153k5d9723b7gac1964ae6a38e599@mail.gmail.com>

If you made a donation to me, either in person, or via PayPal, AND you
want your name listed on the wiki, please email me with your full
name.

I *really* appreciated all the kind donations.  I will be posting a
summary of the amount we received.

Chris

From krisb at ring.org  Mon Aug 14 13:18:52 2006
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:18:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] podcast microphone donations, who are you?
In-Reply-To: <659b9ea30608141153k5d9723b7gac1964ae6a38e599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608141318160.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>


	I pledged $10 online, and then I gave $10 at the meeting.

Thanks.

-Kris Bosland


On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Chris Dawson wrote:

> If you made a donation to me, either in person, or via PayPal, AND you
> want your name listed on the wiki, please email me with your full
> name.
>
> I *really* appreciated all the kind donations.  I will be posting a
> summary of the amount we received.
>
> Chris
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>
> !DSPAM:44e0c416316802044547662!
>
>


From krisb at ring.org  Mon Aug 14 17:26:04 2006
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Windows Automation
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608141723210.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>


	Does anyone know of a good windows automation package?  I am
trying to develop a program through APIs, but progress is slow and my boss
wants me to investigate windows automation and try to do the task by
automation on top of some existing tools.

	I think OLE only works if the tool explicityly exposes its objects
to the registry, right?

Thanks.

-Kris


From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 19:08:02 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:08:02 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Windows Automation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608141723210.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608141723210.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <200608141908.02425.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Kris Bosland
# on Monday 14 August 2006 05:26 pm:

>I am
>trying to develop a program through APIs, but progress is slow and my
> boss wants me to investigate windows automation and try to do the
> task by automation on top of some existing tools.

Because he worked his way up to management from software development, 
where he built multiple wildly successful projects using windows 
automation that had zero bugs over years of maintenance and operating 
system/application upgrades, right?

Has anyone coined the phrase "mythical API-month" yet?

Despite the name, Win32::GuiTest doesn't seem to require you to be doing 
any testing.  As hinted above, it may test your patience, but you've 
obviously got a drawer full of those squeezy de-stress things near your 
windows workstation already (hey, corporate-grade windows boxen should 
just fill the 3 5.25" bays with those, since they're typically 
networked so don't need the CD/etc.)

--Eric
-- 
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
-- Charles Darwin
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From krisb at ring.org  Mon Aug 14 19:29:26 2006
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:29:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Windows Automation
In-Reply-To: <200608141908.02425.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608141924530.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>


	Yeah, this is one of those things where my technical appraisal was
'there is technology out there, but it's flakey, so lets just grind out
the API based code even if we reinvent some wheels'.  But windows gui
automation just sounds so easy from a distance, and I have to confess that
I don't have an extensive counter-case library to demonstrate how bad it
can be.  Sigh.

	Thanks.  I'll try Win32::GuiTest.

-Kris

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Eric Wilhelm wrote:

> # from Kris Bosland
> # on Monday 14 August 2006 05:26 pm:
>
> >I am
> >trying to develop a program through APIs, but progress is slow and my
> > boss wants me to investigate windows automation and try to do the
> > task by automation on top of some existing tools.
>
> Because he worked his way up to management from software development,
> where he built multiple wildly successful projects using windows
> automation that had zero bugs over years of maintenance and operating
> system/application upgrades, right?
>
> Has anyone coined the phrase "mythical API-month" yet?
>
> Despite the name, Win32::GuiTest doesn't seem to require you to be doing
> any testing.  As hinted above, it may test your patience, but you've
> obviously got a drawer full of those squeezy de-stress things near your
> windows workstation already (hey, corporate-grade windows boxen should
> just fill the 3 5.25" bays with those, since they're typically
> networked so don't need the CD/etc.)
>
> --Eric
> --
> "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
> -- Charles Darwin
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From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Mon Aug 14 19:53:04 2006
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:53:04 +0300
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Windows Automation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608141723210.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608141723210.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <200608150553.04815.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Tuesday 15 August 2006 03:26, Kris Bosland wrote:
> 	Does anyone know of a good windows automation package?  I am
> trying to develop a program through APIs, but progress is slow and my boss
> wants me to investigate windows automation and try to do the task by
> automation on top of some existing tools.
>
> 	I think OLE only works if the tool explicityly exposes its objects
> to the registry, right?
>

Yes.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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destroyed all evidence with his bare hands, so no one will know his secrets.

From mart1nschne1der at msn.com  Mon Aug 14 20:51:35 2006
From: mart1nschne1der at msn.com (Martin Schneider)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:51:35 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Windows Automation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608141723210.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV8BE5F7C8E5153895AA799A14F0@phx.gbl>

Kris,

If your automation just needs to repetitively interact with some Windows
dialogs so a person , then AutoIt[1] might be worth a look.  It has a
record mode so you can teach it, and then replay the scripts as needed.

HTH,
-Martin

[1] http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

-----Original Message-----
From: pdx-pm-list-bounces+mart1nschne1der=msn.com at pm.org
[mailto:pdx-pm-list-bounces+mart1nschne1der=msn.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of
Kris Bosland
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:26 PM
To: Portland PerlMongers
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Windows Automation



	Does anyone know of a good windows automation package?  I am
trying to develop a program through APIs, but progress is slow and my boss
wants me to investigate windows automation and try to do the task by
automation on top of some existing tools.

	I think OLE only works if the tool explicityly exposes its objects
to the registry, right?

Thanks.

-Kris

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From krisb at ring.org  Mon Aug 14 21:24:01 2006
From: krisb at ring.org (Kris Bosland)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Windows Automation
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV8BE5F7C8E5153895AA799A14F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0608142123180.15976-100000@ender.ring.org>


	Thanks Martin.

-Kris

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Martin Schneider wrote:

> Kris,
>
> If your automation just needs to repetitively interact with some Windows
> dialogs so a person , then AutoIt[1] might be worth a look.  It has a
> record mode so you can teach it, and then replay the scripts as needed.
>
> HTH,
> -Martin
>
> [1] http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/
>


From kaskach at usgs.gov  Mon Aug 21 12:13:49 2006
From: kaskach at usgs.gov (Kenneth A Skach)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:13:49 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Know of any object oriented perl training?
Message-ID: <OF2AC5A3E4.FE979FF2-ON882571D1.0067AB54-882571D1.0069A2F0@usgs.gov>



Hello Portland Perlmongers, can you recommend a source of perl training?

I'm looking for perl training on object oriented programming and the use of
perl modules.  I've been "using" perl for years, but just recently learned
about modules, and CPAN, and a whole new world has opened up.

I'd like to find a class before the end of September, preferrably on the
West Coast.   I found one in London, but I need to stay within the US.
I'd prefer in-person classes, but could settle for on-line training.

I found Tim Maher's course
(http://www.consultix-inc.com/consultix/courses/perl/fund_oop.html), but
he's not offering it before October.  His course outline looked like what I
want:

      Tim Maher's Topics
      ======
        Multidimensional Arrays and Hashes
        Anonymous Arrays and Hashes
        Complex Data Structures
        Using References
        Data References
        Code References
        Package Variables
        eval
        Handling Exceptions
        Writing Custom Modules
        Intro. to Object-Oriented Programming
        OOP in Perl

Can anyone suggest a trainer or company?

thank you!

Ken Skach,
USGS, Portland
503-251-3285



From xrdawson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 21 12:24:36 2006
From: xrdawson at gmail.com (Chris Dawson)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:24:36 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Know of any object oriented perl training?
In-Reply-To: <OF2AC5A3E4.FE979FF2-ON882571D1.0067AB54-882571D1.0069A2F0@usgs.gov>
References: <OF2AC5A3E4.FE979FF2-ON882571D1.0067AB54-882571D1.0069A2F0@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <659b9ea30608211224y3bec644ei5da4a65e009c87cf@mail.gmail.com>

Stonehenge Consulting.

http://www.stonehenge.com/

Randal wrote the O'Reilly book "Learning Perl" so you can't get much
better than that.

Chris

On 8/21/06, Kenneth A Skach <kaskach at usgs.gov> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Portland Perlmongers, can you recommend a source of perl training?
>
> I'm looking for perl training on object oriented programming and the use of
> perl modules.  I've been "using" perl for years, but just recently learned
> about modules, and CPAN, and a whole new world has opened up.
>
> I'd like to find a class before the end of September, preferrably on the
> West Coast.   I found one in London, but I need to stay within the US.
> I'd prefer in-person classes, but could settle for on-line training.
>
> I found Tim Maher's course
> (http://www.consultix-inc.com/consultix/courses/perl/fund_oop.html), but
> he's not offering it before October.  His course outline looked like what I
> want:
>
>       Tim Maher's Topics
>       ======
>         Multidimensional Arrays and Hashes
>         Anonymous Arrays and Hashes
>         Complex Data Structures
>         Using References
>         Data References
>         Code References
>         Package Variables
>         eval
>         Handling Exceptions
>         Writing Custom Modules
>         Intro. to Object-Oriented Programming
>         OOP in Perl
>
> Can anyone suggest a trainer or company?
>
> thank you!
>
> Ken Skach,
> USGS, Portland
> 503-251-3285
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdx-pm-list mailing list
> Pdx-pm-list at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list
>

From alan at clueserver.org  Mon Aug 21 12:51:35 2006
From: alan at clueserver.org (alan)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Know of any object oriented perl training?
In-Reply-To: <OF2AC5A3E4.FE979FF2-ON882571D1.0067AB54-882571D1.0069A2F0@usgs.gov>
References: <OF2AC5A3E4.FE979FF2-ON882571D1.0067AB54-882571D1.0069A2F0@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608211251080.10827@blackbox.fnordora.org>

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Kenneth A Skach wrote:

>
>
> Hello Portland Perlmongers, can you recommend a source of perl training?
>
> I'm looking for perl training on object oriented programming and the use of
> perl modules.  I've been "using" perl for years, but just recently learned
> about modules, and CPAN, and a whole new world has opened up.
>
> I'd like to find a class before the end of September, preferrably on the
> West Coast.   I found one in London, but I need to stay within the US.
> I'd prefer in-person classes, but could settle for on-line training.
>
> I found Tim Maher's course
> (http://www.consultix-inc.com/consultix/courses/perl/fund_oop.html), but
> he's not offering it before October.  His course outline looked like what I
> want:
>
>      Tim Maher's Topics
>      ======
>        Multidimensional Arrays and Hashes
>        Anonymous Arrays and Hashes
>        Complex Data Structures
>        Using References
>        Data References
>        Code References
>        Package Variables
>        eval
>        Handling Exceptions
>        Writing Custom Modules
>        Intro. to Object-Oriented Programming
>        OOP in Perl
>
> Can anyone suggest a trainer or company?


http://www.stonehenge.com/


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From publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 21 16:25:23 2006
From: publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com (Ovid)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:25:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Know of any object oriented perl training?
In-Reply-To: <OF2AC5A3E4.FE979FF2-ON882571D1.0067AB54-882571D1.0069A2F0@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <20060821232523.39839.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Kenneth A Skach <kaskach at usgs.gov>

>I'm looking for perl training on object oriented programming and the use of
>perl modules.

As a point of curiosity, are you hoping to learn Perl's object-oriented syntax or are you looking for how to do object-oriented programming?  I've  met plenty who know the former but don't know the difference between class and instance data.  I've met plenty who know the latter but don't know Perl's OO syntax.

If you know one and just want to learn the other, you have plenty of choices.  If you want to to learn both, you have to be more careful.  I strongly suspect that Stonehenge is a good choice because the programmers involved seem to know both. 

Cheers,
Ovid

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From publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 00:00:25 2006
From: publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com (Ovid)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:00:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Know of any object oriented perl training?
In-Reply-To: <20060821232523.39839.qmail@web60816.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060822070025.52673.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Ovid <publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com>

> I strongly suspect that Stonehenge is a good choice because
> the programmers involved seem to know both. 

As was pointed out to me off list, "*seem* to know both" might sound like a backhanded compliment.  Just to clarify, the guys are Stonehenge *do* know OO programming in addition to Perl's OO syntax.

Cheers,
Ovid
 
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Tue Aug 22 12:15:47 2006
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 22 Aug 2006 12:15:47 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Know of any object oriented perl training?
In-Reply-To: <20060822070025.52673.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060822070025.52673.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <868xlgh998.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Ovid" == Ovid  <publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com> writes:

Ovid> ----- Original Message ----
Ovid> From: Ovid <publiustemp-pdxpm at yahoo.com>

>> I strongly suspect that Stonehenge is a good choice because
>> the programmers involved seem to know both. 

Ovid> As was pointed out to me off list, "*seem* to know both" might sound
Ovid> like a backhanded compliment.  Just to clarify, the guys are Stonehenge
Ovid> *do* know OO programming in addition to Perl's OO syntax.

Then again, does it matter if we *really* know, as long as we can act *as if*
we know in a way that is still effective? :)

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From kellert at ohsu.edu  Thu Aug 24 11:09:48 2006
From: kellert at ohsu.edu (Thomas J Keller)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:09:48 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Help Needed for Creating login pages
References: <44ECB57B.2070809@ohsu.edu>
Message-ID: <5A99083C-4F3B-4E11-A028-C76B8725AB27@ohsu.edu>

Hi,
A webdesigner here sent out the following.
I'm sure there's a straightforward way to do this with Perl (and  
Apache web server). Any suggestions?
I don't want to do this myself. If someone would like to take this on  
as a paid project give me your contact info off list and I will pass  
it on.

regards,
Tom

> I'm being asked to create a login page for one of my sites that  
> will function in one of these ways.
>
> 1. a simple login page where the user will be sent to a survey  
> automatically after a successful login
>
> or
>
> 2.  a login page that compares the user to a list of people allowed  
> to access the survey and then sends the approved user to the survey.
>
> The person asking me to do this didn't say anything about error  
> messages, but I would think I would need to create those in case  
> the user mistypes the password or isn't on the approved list.
>
> I don't know how to do create these pages.  I looked on the  
> Internet Strategies site but couldn't find information on how to do  
> this.
>
> Do any of you know to do this coding?  I don't know asp, php, or  
> coldfusion, unfortunately.  I either need to learn just enough to  
> do this and learn it rather quickly, or find someone who could do  
> it for me.  That person would be paid for the work.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Harlene
>
>
>



From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Fri Aug 25 08:58:03 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:58:03 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: User Groups: Apress Summer Newsletter Is Here!
Message-ID: <200608250858.04103.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Highlights (see below for details)

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Date: Friday 25 August 2006 08:40 am
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To: scratchcomputing at gmail.com

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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 13:30:13 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:30:13 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Re:  kwiki spam
Message-ID: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Hi all,

I couldn't find a "delete" link on the newly created spam pages, so I 
just deleted the offending files from the "database/" directory.  I'm 
sure that is the wrong way to do it.  Are we missing a plugin?

The question for the group:  would anyone object to being required to 
login to edit?  (and how do we do this with kwiki 
(Kwiki::Edit::RequireUserName ?))

Also, thanks to Selena and everyone else for keeping an eye on our pet 
kwiki.

Thanks,
Eric

----------  Forwarded Message:  ----------

Date: Tuesday 29 August 2006 10:43 am
From: Selena Deckelmann <selena at chrisking.com>
To: Eric Wilhelm <scratchcomputing at gmail.com>

BTW -- some douche ran through and messed up a bunch of pages.  I fixed
the following:

BRNessusNetworkAuditing 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 15:54:53 2006 GMT
MailingList 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 15:54:20 2006 GMT
EricWilhelm 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 15:54:18 2006 GMT
FutureMeetings 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:41 2006 GMT
September2004Meeting 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:12 2006 GMT
BookReviews 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 15:54:14 2006 GMT
May2006Meeting 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:43 2006 GMT
shirts2006 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:16 2006 GMT
KwikiFormattingRules 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:41 2006 GMT


Not sure what to do with these:
UpdatePanel 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:59 2006 GMT
RecentChanges 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:28 2006 GMT
UnknownUser 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:08 2006 GMT
CharlesRadley 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:05 2006 GMT
MakeMaker 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:05 2006 GMT
MySQL 	AnonymousGnome 	Wed Aug 16 08:24:05 2006 GMT

Is there a way to force people to login to make changes?  That's only a
temporary measure to prevent spam.. next you have to make sure that
people can't automate the login process.

-selena

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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 13:35:00 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (The Dread Parrot)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:35:00 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] Hackathon Chicago
Message-ID: <200608291335.00943.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

FYI

----------  Forwarded Message:  ----------

Subject: [pm_groups] Hackathon Chicago
Date: Tuesday 29 August 2006 10:47 am
From: Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com>
To: pm_groups at pm.org

Howdy to all Perl Mongers.  I've just announced the Chicago
Hackathon.  If y'all would be so kind as to forward to your groups,
I'd appreciate it.  I've gotten the word out to groups I'm aware of
that are local to Chicago, but I know there are plenty of others that
might be interested.

I'm trying to spin this as a grass-roots PM-type of get-together.
Low-key, local, but very valuable.  I'd love to have as many other PM
groups represented as possible.  So far, we have folks from: Ann
Arbor and Grand Rapids, Michigan; Toronto; LA; as well as Illinois
and Wisconsin "locals".

Thanks!
xoxo,
Andy

The Chicago Perl Mongers and The Perl Foundation are proud to
announce the Fall 2006 Chicago Hackathon, the weekend of November
10-12, 2006 in suburban Crystal Lake, IL. It will be a round-the-
clock weekend of programming on Perl-related projects with your
colleagues in the open source community. Dozens of programmers from
the open source community in the midwest, as well as others from
around the US, will be getting together to share ideas, work on code,
and move their Perl-related projects forward.

The participants set the agenda for what we'll be working on, but
Perl 6 and Parrot are already on the roster of projects. Chip
Salzenberg, pumpking for the Parrot project, will be on hand to help
with Parrot and Perl 6. Andy Lester will also be driving some Parrot
maintenance tasks, and other midwest programmers will be working on
their own projects. There's sure to be something interesting for
everyone!

Participation in the hackathon costs nothing. The Perl Foundation is
even providing hotel rooms at a special rate if you want to spend the
night. Even if you're in the area for just an hour, stop by, grab a
snack or some pizza and talk with other people interested in Perl.
You might contribute more than you think just by talking with other
programmers.

To find out more, visit http://hackathon.info. If you'll be
attending, please sign in on the Attendees wiki page, and/or email
rsvp at hackathon.info. You can also send questions to Andy Lester at
andy at hackathon.info



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From randall at sonofhans.net  Tue Aug 29 15:29:27 2006
From: randall at sonofhans.net (Randall Hansen)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Re:  kwiki spam
In-Reply-To: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>

On Aug 29, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Eric Wilhelm wrote:

> I couldn't find a "delete" link on the newly created spam pages, so I
> just deleted the offending files from the "database/" directory.  I'm
> sure that is the wrong way to do it.  Are we missing a plugin?

no, kwiki's missing an intuitive UI in this area.  IIRC you delete a  
page by deleting all content and hitting "save."

> The question for the group:  would anyone object to being required to
> login to edit?

there are anti-spam plugins for kwiki, but no more perfect than any  
other such system (witness all the spam on http://kwiki.org/).   
logins are the surest way, but they are antithetical to wikiness.

IMHO the spam problem would have to be pretty bad to require logins.

r


From wcooley at nakedape.cc  Tue Aug 29 16:34:31 2006
From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:34:31 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Re:  kwiki spam
In-Reply-To: <DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>
Message-ID: <1156894471.1779.34.camel@willow.odshp.com>

On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 15:29 -0700, Randall Hansen wrote:

> > The question for the group:  would anyone object to being required to
> > login to edit?
> 
> there are anti-spam plugins for kwiki, but no more perfect than any  
> other such system (witness all the spam on http://kwiki.org/).   
> logins are the surest way, but they are antithetical to wikiness.
> 
> IMHO the spam problem would have to be pretty bad to require logins.

It gets bad pretty much immediately after it's found; it won't go away
as long at it's open.  Logins with signup aren't too terrible--it's just
enough of a roadblock to prevent drive-by spam (differently mixed
metaphors, anyone?).  At least, mine hasn't been vandalized since I
required a login (but then again, no one else uses it... ;).

Wil
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From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 23:08:41 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:08:41 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Re:  kwiki spam
In-Reply-To: <DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>
Message-ID: <200608292308.41986.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Randall Hansen
# on Tuesday 29 August 2006 03:29 pm:

>On Aug 29, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
>> The question for the group: ?would anyone object to being required
>> to login to edit?

>...logins are the surest way, but they are antithetical to wikiness.

Let me rephrase that:

  Would anyone object to being required to take a cookie and set a 
username to edit?

I'm not talking username+password.  Just state your name.  Yeah, bots 
can work around that, but they're easier to pick-out at that point.  If 
the good guys and bad guys are both editing with the same name, we're 
down to looking at IP's (which don't appear in the new version for 
whatever reason.)  OK, so there's still the "claim to be Randall" 
problem, arms race, and inevitable WWIII that follows that, etc. etc.  
A padlock on your bike doesn't stop anyone who's properly equipped from 
taking it, and yet it seems to help dissuade the lazier theives.

>IMHO the spam problem would have to be pretty bad to require logins.

It's bad in that it could sit there for a week or two before it gets 
noticed.  Broken windows and all that.

Would anybody watch rss/atom feeds?

--Eric
-- 
"...our schools have been scientifically designed to
prevent overeducation from happening."
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From mikeraz at patch.com  Wed Aug 30 06:58:55 2006
From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:58:55 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Re:  kwiki spam
In-Reply-To: <200608292308.41986.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>
	<200608292308.41986.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>

Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> whatever reason.)  OK, so there's still the "claim to be Randall" 

or worse yet "claim to be Randal"

> Would anybody watch rss/atom feeds?

Yep.


-- 
      Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
    Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
http://www.patch.com/words/ or http://fut.patch.com/ 
  The fortune cookie says:
I have many CHARTS and DIAGRAMS..


From ben.hengst at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 09:01:03 2006
From: ben.hengst at gmail.com (benh)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:01:03 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Re: kwiki spam
In-Reply-To: <20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>
	<200608292308.41986.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>
Message-ID: <85ddf48b0608300901p6686788g5872972559b69ffa@mail.gmail.com>

Ya I follow a few feeds, I wouldnt mind watching.

benh~

On 8/30/06, Michael Rasmussen <mikeraz at patch.com> wrote:
> Eric Wilhelm wrote:
> > whatever reason.)  OK, so there's still the "claim to be Randall"
>
> or worse yet "claim to be Randal"
>
> > Would anybody watch rss/atom feeds?
>
> Yep.
>
>
> --
>       Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon
>     Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
> http://www.patch.com/words/ or http://fut.patch.com/
>   The fortune cookie says:
> I have many CHARTS and DIAGRAMS..
>
> _______________________________________________
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Wed Aug 30 10:04:45 2006
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 30 Aug 2006 10:04:45 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fwd: Re:  kwiki spam
In-Reply-To: <20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>
	<200608292308.41986.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>
Message-ID: <86d5aii28i.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Rasmussen <mikeraz at patch.com> writes:

Michael> Eric Wilhelm wrote:
>> whatever reason.)  OK, so there's still the "claim to be Randall" 

Michael> or worse yet "claim to be Randal"

Or both!

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
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From keithl at kl-ic.com  Wed Aug 30 03:20:28 2006
From: keithl at kl-ic.com (Keith Lofstrom)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:20:28 +0000
Subject: [Pdx-pm] kwiki spam and notification
In-Reply-To: <85ddf48b0608300901p6686788g5872972559b69ffa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<DB18F902-56D0-447C-9848-6415D4ECC3C8@sonofhans.net>
	<200608292308.41986.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>
	<85ddf48b0608300901p6686788g5872972559b69ffa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060830102028.GB19784@gate.kl-ic.com>


Watching the kwiki:

I use the  Kwiki::Notify::Mail and  Kwiki::Edit::RequireUserName  
plugins to send email to me when a page changes.  If the spammers
are active, the name is usually a tipoff.  The notification mailing
address can be an alias for a list of cleanup volunteers.

Anonymity is necessary where there is controversy and the potential
for personal threats.  The pdx-pm group is rarely subject to such
issues, and identifying contributors is valuable to all of us.  If
that changes, kwiki easily permits fake identification.  

Keith


P.S.:  Here is the complete list of the options I use:

  Kwiki::Display
  Kwiki::Edit
  Kwiki::Htaccess
  Kwiki::Theme::Basic
  Kwiki::UserPreferences
  Kwiki::UserName
  Kwiki::Toolbar
  Kwiki::Status
  Kwiki::Widgets
  Kwiki::RecentChanges
  Kwiki::Archive::Rcs
  Kwiki::Revisions
  Kwiki::Search
  Kwiki::PrinterFriendly
  Kwiki::Attachments
  Kwiki::Notify::Mail
  Kwiki::Edit::RequireUserName

-- 
Keith Lofstrom          keithl at keithl.com         Voice (503)-520-1993
KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 10:35:36 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:35:36 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] kwiki updates
In-Reply-To: <20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<200608292308.41986.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>
Message-ID: <200608301035.37125.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

# from Michael Rasmussen
# on Wednesday 30 August 2006 06:58 am:

>> Would anybody watch rss/atom feeds?
>
>Yep.

You asked for it Portland, so here goes:

  http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?action=RecentChangesAtom
  http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?action=RecentChangesRSS

(aside:  is there something wrong with the atom feed or just my client?)

You also now need to have a cookie.  If you show up at the next meeting 
and complain loudly enough (and promise to actually use the kwiki), I 
might take down the Edit::RequireUserName plugin.

--Eric
-- 
Hot dogs:  just another condiment.
--Heart-attack Man
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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Wed Aug 30 11:50:53 2006
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 30 Aug 2006 11:50:53 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] kwiki updates
In-Reply-To: <200608301035.37125.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
References: <200608291330.14539.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<200608292308.41986.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
	<20060830135855.GA14841@patch.com>
	<200608301035.37125.ewilhelm@cpan.org>
Message-ID: <868xl6hxbm.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Wilhelm <scratchcomputing at gmail.com> writes:

Eric> You asked for it Portland, so here goes:

Eric>   http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?action=RecentChangesAtom
Eric>   http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?action=RecentChangesRSS

Eric> (aside:  is there something wrong with the atom feed or just my client?)


Oh yeah, KwikiFormattingRules gets edited!  Film at 11!

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 12:04:01 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Seven till Seven)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:04:01 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] ANNOUNCE:  Craftsmanship Panel -- Sept 13th, 6:53pm
Message-ID: <200608301204.01290.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

Perl Mongers,

The next meeting (two weeks from today) will be a panel on 
Craftsmanship.

INGREDIENTS:

  3 difficult questions
  1 hacker
  1 machinist
  1 writer
  24 oz. water (ice to suit)
  10-30 slides, miscellaneous props

PREPARATION:

  Introduce the panel, water as needed.  Stuff with questions and
  grill on hot coals for 45-60 minutes, until the answers run clear.
  Garnish with slides and props.

  Remove from grill and serve with locally brewed beer.

--Eric
-- 

        http://pdx.pm.org

From scratchcomputing at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 17:37:22 2006
From: scratchcomputing at gmail.com (Eric Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Pdx-pm] Seaside presentation
Message-ID: <200608301737.22522.ewilhelm@cpan.org>

In case anyone is curious about that mythical Seaside web framework from 
which jifty got some of its best ideas, you might like to attend the 
upcoming smalltalk (well, sorta) user-group meeting, which features a 
live demo^W^W err, a wee talk.

  http://www.pdxruby.org/events/show/17

--Eric
-- 
Turns out the optimal technique is to put it in reverse and gun it.
--Steven Squyres (on challenges in interplanetary robot navigation)
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