From jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu Tue Jul 1 13:48:07 2003 From: jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu (Joshua Hoblitt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:22 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This question has crossed 3 lists that I'm on in various forms (datetime, pdx.pm, plug) and probably a few others. Maybe an out of town geek page would be a good idea? I'd volunteer to do it but I count as out of town now. :) Things to list: hotels with connectivity links to the freenode/personaltelco pages a map of powells and powells tech. books the GPS coords of important locations (book stores, hotels, coffee shops, bars..) links to local movie listings - including the McWorldDomination's pages the laser light shows at OMSI anything else that might interest a geek Sound like a good idea? -J -- On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > > > > Surely there's some coffee shops or net cafes around with wireless > > > and/or jacks? These days it's generally gratis so long as you buy > > > a coffee every now and then. > > > > > > (haven't been paying attention, so I'm not sure exactly which city > > > we're talking about) > > > > Portland, OR. I'm cc this to the Portland Linux Users Group (PLUG) as > > they've been the people in the know when I've had questions. I found a > > nice little hotel downtown from their referrals. > > http://www.personaltelco.net/static/hotspots.html > http://www.auscillate.com/wireless/portland/index.php > > --Paul Heinlein > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > From jkeroes at eli.net Tue Jul 1 14:08:47 2003 From: jkeroes at eli.net (Joshua Keroes) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:22 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030701190847.GE20833@eli.net> Try http://oscon.kwiki.org/ . On (Tue, Jul 01 08:48), Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > This question has crossed 3 lists that I'm on in various forms > (datetime, pdx.pm, plug) and probably a few others. Maybe an out of > town geek page would be a good idea? I'd volunteer to do it but I > count as out of town now. :) > > Things to list: > > hotels with connectivity > links to the freenode/personaltelco pages > a map of powells and powells tech. books > the GPS coords of important locations (book stores, hotels, coffee shops, bars..) > links to local movie listings - including the McWorldDomination's pages > the laser light shows at OMSI > anything else that might interest a geek > > Sound like a good idea? > > -J > > -- > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > > > > > > Surely there's some coffee shops or net cafes around with wireless > > > > and/or jacks? These days it's generally gratis so long as you buy > > > > a coffee every now and then. > > > > > > > > (haven't been paying attention, so I'm not sure exactly which city > > > > we're talking about) > > > > > > Portland, OR. I'm cc this to the Portland Linux Users Group (PLUG) as > > > they've been the people in the know when I've had questions. I found a > > > nice little hotel downtown from their referrals. > > > > http://www.personaltelco.net/static/hotspots.html > > http://www.auscillate.com/wireless/portland/index.php > > > > --Paul Heinlein From jpeacock at rowman.com Tue Jul 1 13:54:13 2003 From: jpeacock at rowman.com (John Peacock) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:22 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F01D8D5.7090209@rowman.com> Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > This question has crossed 3 lists that I'm on in various forms (datetime, pdx.pm, plug) and probably a few others. Maybe an out of town geek page would be a good idea? Add anything that you find missing here: http://oscon.kwiki.org/index.cgi?HomePage John (who saw this link on the P5P list) -- John Peacock Director of Information Research and Technology Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group 4501 Forbes Boulevard Suite H Lanham, MD 20706 301-459-3366 x.5010 fax 301-429-5748 From allyn at well.com Tue Jul 1 15:53:29 2003 From: allyn at well.com (Mark Allyn) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:22 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > links to local movie listings - including the McWorldDomination's pages > the laser light shows at OMSI Something to consider when dealing with OMSI: They had promised to provide a drop for a wireless connection for KBOO radio in order to facilitate a remote broadcast for the Waterfront Blues Festival during the July 4th Weekend. At the last moment, they reneged. Something about the director of technology saying that it 'was too much work'. All they promised to do was to provide a network drop (RJ-45) into their backbone. (During a holiday weekend with load would be light; as well as a community organization supporting another community organization). These guys can be a little slipery. Mark From jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu Tue Jul 1 17:34:02 2003 From: jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu (Joshua Hoblitt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:22 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation In-Reply-To: <20030701190847.GE20833@eli.net> Message-ID: > Try http://oscon.kwiki.org/ . That's just for OSCON - I'm thinking in the general case. From jkeroes at eli.net Tue Jul 1 18:05:45 2003 From: jkeroes at eli.net (Joshua Keroes) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] [tim@consultix-inc.com: Re: SPUG:Tomorrow's Damianiacal Meeting] Message-ID: <20030701230544.GN20833@eli.net> Damian's in Seattle tomorrow. Need an excuse for a roadtrip? ;-) -J ----- Forwarded message from SPUG-list-owner ----- From: SPUG-list-owner To: spug-list@pm.org Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:47:43 -0700 Subject: Re: SPUG:Tomorrow's Damianiacal Meeting On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 03:36:08PM -0700, Tim Maher wrote: Please forward this announcement to other lists that you think might be interested (except the linux-list, which I've already covered). -Tim > SPUGsters, > > Just a reminder that "The Damian" will be entertaining us tomorrow > night, and anybody desiring to join us for dinner at Cedar's beforehand > should let me know so I can reserve accordingly. Please post your > RSVPs *to the list*, so the others can see who's coming, and become > inspired to join in. > > -Tim > > July 2003 Seattle Perl Users Group Meeting > ----------------------------------------------------- > Title: "Small Miracles" > Speaker: Dr. Damian Conway > Assoc. Prof. Monash U., Perl 6 Design Team, > OOP Author, Perl Modulator Extraordinaire, etc. > > Time: Wednesday, July 2, 2003 7-9pm > Location: SAFECO bldg, Brooklyn St. and NE 45th St. > > Cost: Admission is free and open to the general public. > Info: http://seattleperl.org/ > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > We'll be privileged to be the 2nd group on the planet to hear Damian's > latest blockbuster talk, in the "Quantum Superpositions", "Life, the > Universe, and Everything", and "Time::Space::Continuum" series. > As usual, this will be a meeting you won't want to miss! > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Pre- and Post- Meeting Activities > --------------------------------- > The pre-meeting dinner will be at the Cedars restaurant, at 50th > St. and Brooklyn, in the University District, near the Safeco > building where the meeting will take place. The phone number is > 527-5247. If you're planning to be there, please RSVP to the list > by 2pm on the meeting day with your expected arrival time > (5:30-5:45pm is recommended). > > Only those who comply with the RSVP policy (and are therefore > counted in the seating reservation) will be welcomed at the > speaker's table. > > ====================================================== > | Tim Maher, Ph.D. tim@timmaher.org | > | SPUG Founder & Leader spug@seattleperl.org | > | Seattle Perl Users Group www.seattleperl.org | > ====================================================== > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list@mail.pm.org > ACCOUNT CONFIG: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays, U-District, Seattle WA > WEB PAGE: www.seattleperl.org > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > > -Tim > *------------------------------------------------------------* > | Tim Maher (206) 781-UNIX (866) DOC-PERL (866) DOC-UNIX | > | CEO, JAWCAR ("Just Another White Camel Award Recipient") | > | tim(AT)Consultix-Inc.Com TeachMeUnix.Com TeachMePerl.Com | > *+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-* > | Watch for my Book: "Minimal Perl for Shell Programmers" | > *------------------------------------------------------------* > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list@mail.pm.org > ACCOUNT CONFIG: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays, U-District, Seattle WA > WEB PAGE: www.seattleperl.org -- -Tim *------------------------------------------------------------* | Tim Maher (206) 781-UNIX (866) DOC-PERL (866) DOC-UNIX | | CEO, JAWCAR ("Just Another White Camel Award Recipient") | | tim(AT)Consultix-Inc.Com TeachMeUnix.Com TeachMePerl.Com | *+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-* | Watch for my Book: "Minimal Perl for Shell Programmers" | *------------------------------------------------------------* _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list@mail.pm.org ACCOUNT CONFIG: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays, U-District, Seattle WA WEB PAGE: www.seattleperl.org ----- End forwarded message ----- From hydo at mac.com Tue Jul 1 22:59:21 2003 From: hydo at mac.com (hydo@mac.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] [tim@consultix-inc.com: Re: SPUG:Tomorrow's Damianiacal Meeting] In-Reply-To: <20030701230544.GN20833@eli.net> References: <20030701230544.GN20833@eli.net> Message-ID: <8FE944EE-AC41-11D7-A7B3-000393AF17E6@mac.com> On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 4:05PM, Joshua Keroes wrote: > Damian's in Seattle tomorrow. Need an excuse for a roadtrip? ;-) > > -J I would be willing to drive three others and myself if anyone wants to come along. -cm From masque at pobox.com Tue Jul 1 23:49:34 2003 From: masque at pobox.com (Paul Blair) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] [tim@consultix-inc.com: Re: SPUG:Tomorrow's Damianiacal Meeting] In-Reply-To: <8FE944EE-AC41-11D7-A7B3-000393AF17E6@mac.com> References: <20030701230544.GN20833@eli.net> <8FE944EE-AC41-11D7-A7B3-000393AF17E6@mac.com> Message-ID: <93E3E1B6-AC48-11D7-A1D6-0003938926C6@pobox.com> On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 10:59 PM, hydo@mac.com wrote: > On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 4:05PM, Joshua Keroes wrote: >> Damian's in Seattle tomorrow. Need an excuse for a roadtrip? ;-) >> >> -J > > I would be willing to drive three others and myself if anyone wants to > come along. > > -cm Excellent! Please let me know what time you'll be here to pick me up. I'll bring my iPod and some sandwiches. Paul. From jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu Wed Jul 2 20:06:23 2003 From: jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu (Joshua Hoblitt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] gt b4 OSCON? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Let's say Wednesday at 7:00, then. And I don't think there are any > > nominations for a better location. Although It's A Beautiful Pizza can be > > noisy for large groups to have meetings, it should be fine for sitting > > around a table to talk. But if someone wants to propose somewhere else, > > well, speak up now. Otherwise, it's there at 7PM in two days. I'll be there at 7pm - maybe everybody didn't drive to Seattle today. The most recent picture of me (that I know of) is on Randal's site: http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/Pictures/Trips/2003/03-06-PerlWhirlMacMania/Day-6-Maui/?show=3 Hope to see somebody there. -J -- From dstillwa at xprt.net Wed Jul 2 22:54:09 2003 From: dstillwa at xprt.net (Daniel C. Stillwaggon) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [PLUG] Re: Slides from YAPC presentation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (Cross-replying to three lists, sorry for cross-over) On Tuesday, Jul 1, 2003, at 11:48 US/Pacific, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > the laser light shows at OMSI According to this weeks Willamette Week, OMSI has a brand new planetarium in place!! WW made a cryptic comment about tons of cool geeky stuff there, I'm sure the projectionists would be pleased as punch to go in to details if they knew that the crowd would be properly appreciative. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel C. Stillwaggon From al at shadowed.net Thu Jul 3 15:57:24 2003 From: al at shadowed.net (Allison Randal) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Local Monger Makes Big Time In-Reply-To: <3EF1093D.70801@vpservices.com> References: <3EF0B911.7070501@hevanet.com> <3EF1093D.70801@vpservices.com> Message-ID: <20030703205724.GA15328@shadowed.net> Jeff Zucker wrote: > david pool wrote: > > > Hey, our very own Allison Randal got suckered into I mean got > >elected to the very prestigious position of President of The Perl > >Foundation. Fame, riches and eternal bliss soon to follow. > > > >Congratulations Allison, that's actually very cool. > > > Way to go Allison! Congrats and thanks much for all your work for Perl. Thanks guys! :) The upside: TPF is going to be able to do some cool stuff this year, thanks to big and little donations: http://donate.perl-foundation.org/index.pl?node=Fund+Drive+Details&selfund=2 The downside: Spending 8 hours a day on email getting the cool stuff to happen. :) Allison From poec at yahoo.com Thu Jul 3 22:41:51 2003 From: poec at yahoo.com (Ovid) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Piers Cawley Message-ID: <20030704034151.41771.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> Uh, whoops! I done boo-booed. Hi all. Piers Cawley (sends out Perl6 summaries, amongst many other things he does for the Perl community) and his wife will be attending OSCON and staying at my place for the duration. Unfortunately, due to an unexpected turn of events, I will be out of town on Sunday, his first full day in Portland and I've had some trouble scaring up someone to show the couple around for that day. Any Perl Mongers care play to to show a couple of Brits how wonderful pdx hospitality can be? Please contact me offlist if you can. Sending a phone # would be smashing. I hope to get this SNAFU cleared up soon so I can rest easy :) Cheers, Ovid ===== Hire me! http://users.easystreet.com/ovid/personal/resume.html Ovid http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=17000 Web Programming with Perl http://users.easystreet.com/ovid/cgi_course/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rootbeer at redcat.com Fri Jul 4 13:00:09 2003 From: rootbeer at redcat.com (Tom Phoenix) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] gt b4 OSCON? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > Ever tried the Kennedy school for meetings? In retrospect, that might have been a good idea. The game night was a success, but it would have nice not to have had to move to three different tables as the evening passed. Let's try the Kennedy School courtyard, if it's good weather when we want to do this again. Some folks were asking about Zendo. It's out now! http://www.looneylabs.com/OurStores/product.html?ProductID=165 It may seem pricey, but the pyramids may be used for many other games, such as Ice Towers (which we played the other night) and Martian Chess, which we didn't get around to doing. Next time... Or at OSCON. --Tom Phoenix From jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu Fri Jul 4 14:15:54 2003 From: jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu (Joshua Hoblitt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] gt b4 OSCON? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > > > Ever tried the Kennedy school for meetings? > > In retrospect, that might have been a good idea. The game night was a > success, but it would have nice not to have had to move to three different > tables as the evening passed. Let's try the Kennedy School courtyard, if > it's good weather when we want to do this again. Maybe Monday or Tuesday night? I don't think there are any OSCON events planned for those nights. Plus there are many out of towners (like me) that we might be able to rope in. -J -- From jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu Fri Jul 4 14:16:56 2003 From: jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu (Joshua Hoblitt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] gt b4 OSCON? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Some folks were asking about Zendo. It's out now! It has a credit in DateTime::Format::ISO8601 which I sent to CPAN last night. :) -J -- From chromatic at wgz.org Fri Jul 4 14:25:35 2003 From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] gt b4 OSCON? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49391A6F-AE55-11D7-A7D7-000393DBC8FE@wgz.org> On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:15 PM, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > Maybe Monday or Tuesday night? I don't think there are any OSCON > events planned for those nights. Plus there are many out of towners > (like me) that we might be able to rope in. Tuesday night is the States of the Unions talks. Larry's going to make a rather large Perl 5 and Perl 6 announcement there. -- c From joe at oppegaard.net Mon Jul 7 15:12:40 2003 From: joe at oppegaard.net (Joe Oppegaard) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Booth and Exhibit Hall Message-ID: <5C6ED528-B0B7-11D7-B9BC-000A956702A0@oppegaard.net> Hey all, I talked to the Exhibit Hall manager today about the booth. Tomorrow is booth setup day and it didn't seem that he really wanted people setting anything up today. Plus, our booth at the present time is holding space for many boxes, so we couldn't setup even if we wanted to. If needed there are tables, chairs, power strips, etc. for rent from the design people there. Our booth will be right next to RedHat and (probably) the Portland LUG. The manager also asked me to make sure people knew that the Exhibit Hall is FREE (you don't have to be registered for OSCON to go) and will be open the following hours: Wednesday: 10:00am - 4:30pm 6:00pm - 7:30pm Thursday: 10:00am - 4:30pm There will be a reception Wednesday night from 6:00 - 7:30 where he mentioned there will be free as in beer served. By the way the manager also mentioned that Amazon.com (two booths down from us, on the other side of RedHat) will be there just to try and find people to hire, so go bug 'em! I don't have any sessions tomorrow, so I'll be available all day to help with the booth. Though, what are we going to do? Still the treasure hunt? -Joe Oppegaard From rootbeer at redcat.com Mon Jul 7 15:53:48 2003 From: rootbeer at redcat.com (Tom Phoenix) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Booth and Exhibit Hall In-Reply-To: <5C6ED528-B0B7-11D7-B9BC-000A956702A0@oppegaard.net> References: <5C6ED528-B0B7-11D7-B9BC-000A956702A0@oppegaard.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Joe Oppegaard wrote: > I talked to the Exhibit Hall manager today about the booth. Tomorrow is > booth setup day and it didn't seem that he really wanted people setting > anything up today. Dang; I'll have to bring these FRS radios back tomorrow. Okay. :-) I'll bring a power cord with extra outlets, if I remember. > Though, what are we going to do? Still the treasure hunt? Nobody has adopted that, AFAIK, so I don't think it's going to happen. Darn. Are we selling pdx.pm shirts at the booth? I'll buy one, maybe two. (If not available at the booth, where can I get one?) --Tom Phoenix From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon Jul 7 18:09:42 2003 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Booth and Exhibit Hall In-Reply-To: <5C6ED528-B0B7-11D7-B9BC-000A956702A0@oppegaard.net> References: <5C6ED528-B0B7-11D7-B9BC-000A956702A0@oppegaard.net> Message-ID: <86isqe6iiy.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Oppegaard writes: Joe> The manager also asked me to make sure people knew that the Exhibit Joe> Hall is FREE (you don't have to be registered for OSCON to go) and Joe> will be open the following hours: Joe> Wednesday: Joe> 10:00am - 4:30pm Joe> 6:00pm - 7:30pm And don't forget the Stonehenge Party, which is at Bar 71 (71 sw 2nd) from 8pm onward. For non-OSCON people, the magic phrase at the door is "I know Randal". -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From dpool at hevanet.com Mon Jul 7 19:04:47 2003 From: dpool at hevanet.com (david pool) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Booth and Exhibit Hall References: <5C6ED528-B0B7-11D7-B9BC-000A956702A0@oppegaard.net> Message-ID: <3F0A0A9F.7020400@hevanet.com> > > > > Tom Phoenix wrote: > > >Are we selling pdx.pm shirts at the booth? I'll buy one, maybe two. (If >not available at the booth, where can I get one?) > Do we have a wiki page going for volunteers to man the booth? I'd be willing to pull a shift and hawk some shirts (If only to myself and Tom Phoenix). I was also hoping to hand out some Linux Fund Visa applications. david pool From perl at sonofhans.net Mon Jul 7 20:05:51 2003 From: perl at sonofhans.net (Randall Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] pdx.pm KWIKI Message-ID: <20030707180551.6dbf33a4.perl@sonofhans.net> Folks ~ Portland Perl Mongers now have our very own Kwiki: http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki This is a good place to start the afore-mentioned booth-peopling. This won't replace our regular site yet (available, but also undergoing routine surgery). Long term -- who knows? Let's see how we like it. Kudos to Ingy for creating such a nice framework and Christian Brink for his continued hosting of the site. Any ugliness on the site is my doing, but fortunately there's a page for that: http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?LayoutBugs r -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Josh From list at sonofhans.net Mon Jul 7 20:01:10 2003 From: list at sonofhans.net (Randall Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] pdx.pm KWIKI Message-ID: <20030707180110.704d8125.list@sonofhans.net> Folks ~ Portland Perl Mongers now have our very own Kwiki: http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki This won't replace our regular site yet (available, but also undergoing routine surgery). Long term -- who knows? Let's see how we like it. Kudos to Ingy for creating such a nice framework and Christian Brink for his continued hosting of the site. Any ugliness on the site is my doing, but fortunately there's a page for that: http://pdx.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?LayoutBugs r -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/pdx-pm-list/attachments/20030711/737fa6ea/attachment.bin From perl-pm at joshheumann.com Fri Jul 11 13:02:54 2003 From: perl-pm at joshheumann.com (Josh Heumann) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help In-Reply-To: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <39555.65.121.82.178.1057946574.squirrel@www.joshheumann.com> > I was introduced yesterday to Gina Blaber, director of conferences for > O'Reilly. She said they were very happy with Portland and are strongly > considering having it here next year. She recommended that I fill out a > response form and encourage everyone in the local user groups to do so > too. So, if you'd like to see OSCON here again next year, fill out this > form and let O'Reilly know: This is for sure. The word everywhere is that O'Reilly got a better deal if they signed up for two years at one location. Sub-word is that they have signed on for another one after that, but the O'Reilly folks I talked to could only give the nod to next year. __________________________ So, yeah: http://www.joshheumann.com From fifer at 7technw.com Fri Jul 11 13:09:30 2003 From: fifer at 7technw.com (fifer@7technw.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [Porpig] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help In-Reply-To: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2187.65.121.82.178.1057946970.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> I just came out of a meeting with three of the O'Reilly conference organizers and they echoed the same sentiment. Definitely provide your positive feedback. Richard > > I was introduced yesterday to Gina Blaber, director of conferences for > O'Reilly. She said they were very happy with Portland and are strongly > considering having it here next year. She recommended that I fill out a > response form and encourage everyone in the local user groups to do so > too. So, if you'd like to see OSCON here again next year, fill out this > form and let O'Reilly know: > > http://conferences.oreillynet.com/survey/oscon03_eval/oscon03_conf_evaluation_1.htm > > (Also, if you know other groups that aren't in my To: header, would you > please forward this message to them?) > > Wil > -- > Wil Cooley wcooley@nakedape.cc > Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc > * * * * * * * Good, fast and cheap: Pick all 3! * * * * * * * > * Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * > _______________________________________________ > Porpig mailing list > Porpig@porpig.org > http://www.porpig.org/mailman/listinfo/porpig > -- From millerj at metro.dst.or.us Fri Jul 11 15:44:09 2003 From: millerj at metro.dst.or.us (John Miller) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [pasa-discuss] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help References: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2187.65.121.82.178.1057946970.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> Message-ID: <3F0F2199.7010807@metro.dst.or.us> Whatever they do, they have to get some bigger rooms, or better anticiapte which subjects will draw large audiences. Many of the salon sessions I attended were beyond SRO. Oregon Convention Center would be convenient for me, but it lacks the large hotel nearby. :^) John Miller From merlyn at stonehenge.com Fri Jul 11 17:35:18 2003 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [pasa-discuss] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help In-Reply-To: <3F0F2199.7010807@metro.dst.or.us> References: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2187.65.121.82.178.1057946970.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> <3F0F2199.7010807@metro.dst.or.us> Message-ID: <86n0fku1y4.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "John" == John Miller writes: John> Whatever they do, they have to get some bigger rooms, or better John> anticiapte which subjects will draw large audiences. Many of the John> salon sessions I attended were beyond SRO. It's really really hard to predict attendance. They know some of the big names will have big draws, but it's hard to predict size just looking at an abstract. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From wcooley at nakedape.cc Fri Jul 11 18:21:41 2003 From: wcooley at nakedape.cc (Wil Cooley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] [PLUG] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help Message-ID: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was introduced yesterday to Gina Blaber, director of conferences for O'Reilly. She said they were very happy with Portland and are strongly considering having it here next year. She recommended that I fill out a response form and encourage everyone in the local user groups to do so too. So, if you'd like to see OSCON here again next year, fill out this form and let O'Reilly know: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/survey/oscon03_eval/oscon03_conf_evaluation_1.htm (Also, if you know other groups that aren't in my To: header, would you please forward this message to them?) Wil -- Wil Cooley wcooley@nakedape.cc Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * * * * * * * Good, fast and cheap: Pick all 3! * * * * * * * * Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.cc * -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/pdx-pm-list/attachments/20030711/737fa6ea/attachment-0001.bin From merlyn at stonehenge.com Fri Jul 11 18:24:08 2003 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [Pdx-pm] Re: [pasa-discuss] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help In-Reply-To: <3F0F2199.7010807@metro.dst.or.us> References: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2187.65.121.82.178.1057946970.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> <3F0F2199.7010807@metro.dst.or.us> Message-ID: <86n0fku1y4.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "John" == John Miller writes: John> Whatever they do, they have to get some bigger rooms, or better John> anticiapte which subjects will draw large audiences. Many of the John> salon sessions I attended were beyond SRO. It's really really hard to predict attendance. They know some of the big names will have big draws, but it's hard to predict size just looking at an abstract. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug From sechrest at peak.org Fri Jul 11 19:03:06 2003 From: sechrest at peak.org (John Sechrest) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [pasa-discuss] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:13:49 PDT. <3F0F44AD.8080700@metro.dst.or.us> Message-ID: <200307120003.h6C036s09928@jas.peak.org> I found that on thursday more than 1/2 of the talks that I tried to get into were turning people away at the door, or sprawling people on the floor. I did put my disappointment on the eval. But as a matter of marketing, you should be clear that continued problems with space and heat will lead to lower attendence in the future. John Sechrest sechrest@peak.org John Miller writes: % Randal L. Schwartz wrote: % >>>>>>"John" == John Miller writes: % > % > John> Whatever they do, they have to get some bigger rooms, or better % > John> anticiapte which subjects will draw large audiences. Many of the % > John> salon sessions I attended were beyond SRO. % > % > It's really really hard to predict attendance. They know some of the % > big names will have big draws, but it's hard to predict size just % > looking at an abstract. % % Well, there was an "or" in there. :^) % % Seriously, I hope they at least try. % The more obscure topics probably draw smaller numbers. % Yet php5, webDAV, LPDAP, Python, etc were in SMALL rooms! % % Marriot seemed to have rooms for 25 + SRO, then rooms for 200, then for 500.. or % something like that. Sounds like an interesting problem. I could write a perl % script.... :^) % % Anyway, your point IS well-taken. I put mine on the conf eval. % % JM % % _______________________________________________ % Discuss mailing list % Discuss@pasa.portland.or.us % http://lists.pasa.portland.or.us/mailman/listinfo/discuss ----- John Sechrest . Helping people use CTO PEAK - . computers and the Internet Public Electronic . more effectively Access to Knowledge,Inc . 1600 SW Western, Suite 180 . Internet: sechrest@peak.org Corvallis Oregon 97333 . (541) 754-7325 . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest From millerj at metro.dst.or.us Fri Jul 11 18:13:49 2003 From: millerj at metro.dst.or.us (John Miller) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: [pasa-discuss] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help References: <1057944866.8634.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2187.65.121.82.178.1057946970.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> <3F0F2199.7010807@metro.dst.or.us> <86n0fku1y4.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <3F0F44AD.8080700@metro.dst.or.us> Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>>"John" == John Miller writes: > > John> Whatever they do, they have to get some bigger rooms, or better > John> anticiapte which subjects will draw large audiences. Many of the > John> salon sessions I attended were beyond SRO. > > It's really really hard to predict attendance. They know some of the > big names will have big draws, but it's hard to predict size just > looking at an abstract. Well, there was an "or" in there. :^) Seriously, I hope they at least try. The more obscure topics probably draw smaller numbers. Yet php5, webDAV, LPDAP, Python, etc were in SMALL rooms! Marriot seemed to have rooms for 25 + SRO, then rooms for 200, then for 500.. or something like that. Sounds like an interesting problem. I could write a perl script.... :^) Anyway, your point IS well-taken. I put mine on the conf eval. JM From cdawson at webiphany.com Mon Jul 14 18:31:24 2003 From: cdawson at webiphany.com (Chris Dawson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] UTF-8, Perl and XML: Is MSXML superior? :) Message-ID: <3F133D4C.3010505@webiphany.com> I am trying to parse the file referenced below using Perl and any of the "standard" XML parsers. By standard I mean XML::Parser or XML::XPath. I don't want to use XML::LibXML (relying on libxml2 isn't portable for me) and definitely don't want to use Win32::OLE with MSXML! This file parses file in IE but not Mozilla or anything else I try on Linux. xmllint says it is bad as well. The Japanese characters all look fine to me. Jcode.pm tells me this is a UTF-8 encoding, which is what XML parsers supposedly support. http://63.105.19.181/testing/japanese-out.xml Any clues? How would I reformat this? Stick everything in a CDATA section? Thanks, Chris From v_yau2 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 15 12:03:59 2003 From: v_yau2 at hotmail.com (Vincent Yau) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [Pdx-pm] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help Message-ID: I just hope that if they return next year, they would consider moving the venue to the Convention Center. I attended 2 tutorial sessions and there were too many people for those pretty small rooms. --V >From: "Josh Heumann" >Reply-To: plug@lists.pdxlinux.org >To: >CC: , , >, , , > >Subject: [PLUG] Re: [Pdx-pm] We might get OSCON here next year, with your >help >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:02:54 -0600 (MDT) > > > I was introduced yesterday to Gina Blaber, director of conferences for > > O'Reilly. She said they were very happy with Portland and are strongly > > considering having it here next year. She recommended that I fill out a > > response form and encourage everyone in the local user groups to do so > > too. So, if you'd like to see OSCON here again next year, fill out this > > form and let O'Reilly know: > >This is for sure. The word everywhere is that O'Reilly got a better deal >if they signed up for two years at one location. Sub-word is that they >have signed on for another one after that, but the O'Reilly folks I talked >to could only give the nod to next year. >__________________________ >So, yeah: >http://www.joshheumann.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jul 15 12:15:57 2003 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [PLUG] Re: [Pdx-pm] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86k7ajd838.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Vincent" == Vincent Yau writes: Vincent> I just hope that if they return next year, they would consider moving Vincent> the venue Vincent> to the Convention Center. I attended 2 tutorial sessions and Vincent> there were too many people for those pretty small rooms. The Convention Center is designed more for "big main floor" events. That's clearly not OSCON. Most technical computer conventions fare better at Hotel Centers. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From timr at probo.com Tue Jul 15 18:04:16 2003 From: timr at probo.com (Tim Roberts) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Porpig] Re: [PLUG] Re: [Pdx-pm] We might get OSCON here next year, with your help In-Reply-To: <86k7ajd838.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <200307152304.h6FN4FG01913@probo.probo.com> On 15 Jul 2003 10:15:55 -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>>> "Vincent" == Vincent Yau writes: > >Vincent> I just hope that if they return next year, they would consider moving >Vincent> the venue >Vincent> to the Convention Center. I attended 2 tutorial sessions and >Vincent> there were too many people for those pretty small rooms. > >The Convention Center is designed more for "big main floor" events. >That's clearly not OSCON. Most technical computer conventions fare >better at Hotel Centers. In addition to that, the convention center is breathtakingly expensive. I'm on the board of the 54th National Square Dance Convention, which will be at the OCC in June of 2005; the numbers are staggering. -- - Tim Roberts, timr@probo.com Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. From rosso at bad-seed.org Wed Jul 16 11:03:46 2003 From: rosso at bad-seed.org (Ross) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [ptp-general] Re: [PLUG] Re: [Pdx-pm] We might get OSCON... In-Reply-To: <20030716132627.10656.5009.Mailman@bone.personaltelco.net> Message-ID: <109025CA-B7A7-11D7-A085-0050E4B0C608@bad-seed.org> On Wednesday, Jul 16, 2003, at 06:26 US/Pacific, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >> "Vincent" == Vincent Yau writes: > > Vincent> I just hope that if they return next year, they would > consider moving > Vincent> the venue to the Convention Center. I attended 2 tutorial > Vincent> sessions and there were too many people for those pretty small > Vincent> rooms. > > The Convention Center is designed more for "big main floor" events. > That's clearly not OSCON. Most technical computer conventions fare > better at Hotel Centers. (Bit of a shameless plug...) I think smaller computer conventions can do quite well at the Oregon Convention Center. It's just a matter of picking the right rooms. We're holding the WebVisions 2003 event there on Friday, in Lobby 'B' and Meeting Room B113 - B116. I was just there with a couple of PTP members yesterday making a check for the wifi arrangements and was surprised at the amount of space we'll have, and very happy about the much higher ceilings than you get in a hotel cellar. :) Here's the Plug: http://www.webvisionsevent.org -> This Friday, 5+ speakers, and wrap party just $75. Something for everyone. ...Ross... -- == Hot Pepper Studios: 503-230-2058 and < http://www.hotpepper.com > == Web, Print, Interactive and Film -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1477 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/pdx-pm-list/attachments/20030716/71921408/attachment.bin From poec at yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 11:11:14 2003 From: poec at yahoo.com (Ovid) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Quick list question Message-ID: <20030716161114.35654.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I've been approving quite a few messages by non-members. These messages generally relate to whether or not we will get OSCON here next year. I don't like to censor, so the only thing I don't let through is spam (with one exception and that was with the consent of the author). However, I just thought I would toss it out there for you folks: should we keep receiving the OSCON messages? I have no problem with the messages, but I'll happily respect what the group's wishes are. If we vote to reject them, I'll send each of the senders a message letting them know why. Cheers, Ovid ===== Hire me! http://users.easystreet.com/ovid/personal/resume.html Silence is Evil http://users.easystreet.com/ovid/philosophy/indexdecency.htm Ovid http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=17000 Web Programming with Perl http://users.easystreet.com/ovid/cgi_course/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From rootbeer at redcat.com Wed Jul 16 11:58:27 2003 From: rootbeer at redcat.com (Tom Phoenix) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Quick list question In-Reply-To: <20030716161114.35654.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030716161114.35654.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Ovid wrote: > I've been approving quite a few messages by non-members. These messages > generally relate to whether or not we will get OSCON here next year. I say that you're on the right track. With the exception of jobs postings, I'd allow pretty-much anything that's "related to Perl" on this list. (Jobs available and jobs wanted can go on a separate list. Did we ever create that one?) If some discussion gets too far off topic, we members can post to the list to gripe about it. But that hasn't happened yet. --Tom Phoenix From millerj at metro.dst.or.us Wed Jul 16 14:13:31 2003 From: millerj at metro.dst.or.us (John Miller) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [pasa-discuss] Re: [ptp-general] Re: [PLUG] Re: [Pdx-pm] We might get OSCON... References: <109025CA-B7A7-11D7-A085-0050E4B0C608@bad-seed.org> Message-ID: <3F15A3DB.1020507@metro.dst.or.us> http://www.oregoncc.org/space/space.asp only way to tell would be for OSCON folks to have OCC run a match against available room "Series". There are some nice features in OCC, but it ain't downtown, so the environ and culture is different. I'd say give it a couple years. Who knows, OSCON may have 20,000 attending by then. :^) John Miller From schwern at pobox.com Wed Jul 16 16:24:53 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Quick list question In-Reply-To: <20030716161114.35654.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030716161114.35654.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030716212453.GH26440@windhund.schwern.org> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Ovid wrote: > I've been approving quite a few messages by non-members. These messages generally relate to > whether or not we will get OSCON here next year. I don't like to censor, so the only thing I > don't let through is spam (with one exception and that was with the consent of the author). > > However, I just thought I would toss it out there for you folks: should we keep receiving the > OSCON messages? I have no problem with the messages, but I'll happily respect what the group's > wishes are. I don't mind a single, off-topic thread. Thread delete easily takes care of it. Its lots of off-topic threads which get annoying to me. -- It should indeed be said that notwithstanding the fact that I make ambulatory progress through the umbragious inter-hill mortality slot, terror sensations will no be initiated in me, due to para-etical phenomena. From jkeroes at eli.net Wed Jul 16 17:41:38 2003 From: jkeroes at eli.net (Joshua Keroes) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Quick list question In-Reply-To: References: <20030716161114.35654.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030716224138.GA2147@eli.net> On (Wed, Jul 16 09:58), Tom Phoenix wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Ovid wrote: > > > I've been approving quite a few messages by non-members. These > > messages generally relate to whether or not we will get OSCON here > > next year. > > I say that you're on the right track. I agree. OSCON is very perl-related and very Portland-related. > With the exception of jobs postings, I'd allow pretty-much anything > that's "related to Perl" on this list. (Jobs available and jobs wanted > can go on a separate list. Did we ever create that one?) The few times I've had offlist people offer jobs to the list, I've instructed them to preface the Subject with the string "[JOB]" or something similar. That's easy enough to filter out if you're not interested. $0.02, (almost the same in Canada too!) -J From jkeroes at eli.net Mon Jul 21 16:50:46 2003 From: jkeroes at eli.net (Joshua Keroes) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] [JOB] Fulltime mod_perl/Mason job in Seattle Message-ID: <20030721215046.GC20897@eli.net> I contacted Tom to ensure that this isn't mass-distributed spam. Tom is a real Perl programmer. He's listed in the mod_perl and DBD::Oracle docs. Google searches turn up sysadmin and programmer-related links. If you missed the hiring opportunities at OSCON then here you go. :-) -J --- Tom Mornini wrote: > Hello! > > I'm a Perl programming professional that does contracting work on the > side. During a recent meeting with a large employer in Seattle, it was > explained to me that they were looking for a large number of highly > qualified Perl programmers during the next 12 months. They are looking > for full time employees willing to move to Seattle. > > This company is a major concern that offers stability, good pay, > benefits and perks. They are nearly 100% mod_perl/Mason. They prefer > full time employees onsite for many reasons, and have little interest > in contractors of any sort, particular offsite contractors. Any Perl > Monger looking for a job and willing to move to Seattle would likely > jump at the opportunity to work for this company. > > It occurred to me that rather than acting as contractor, or employee, I > might benefit more by recruiting Perl programmers for them. With the > current job market and relative lack of Perl jobs (compared to Java and > Microsoft technologies, bleh) the timing seems ideal. > > That's why I'm writing you. Your group may provide access to a large > and concentrated group of talented Perl programmers, some of which > might be looking for a new opportunity. I'd like to access your members > to gauge their interest. If enough qualified people are interested, > then I could schedule to attend a meeting and meet the potential > candidates in person. > > Meeting the people in person is very important. While this company is > absolutely looking for the top Perl talent they are also looking for > communications skills, social skills, situational awareness and > business saavy in addition. I feel that these additional attributes are > best judged in person. > > Would this be of interest to you and your group members? If so, how can > we arrange to advertise this opportunity and gauge interest? > > Thanks for your time. I'm eagerly awaiting your response. > > -- > -- Tom Mornini > -- > -- ICQ: 113526784, AOL, Yahoo, MSN and Jabber: tmornini From schwern at pobox.com Wed Jul 23 03:06:03 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Roomate needed, pronto! Message-ID: <20030723080603.GE19645@windhund.schwern.org> Ingy's moving out August 1st, and the plans for Clint moving in fell through. :( So I need a roomate for August. Here's the deal: 2631 SE 21st Ave. Corner of 21st and Clinton across from Crackers, right down the street from La Cruda, Clinton St. Theater, Red & Black coffeehouse, People's Food Co-op. Sharing the whole 2nd floor of a large house. Directly above "Go Gourmet" resturaunt. 2 bedrooms. Full bathroom. Large kitchen. Large, open living area. Semi-partitioned so you can have your half and I can have mine. Wireless. Washer/Dryer (and its not coin-op!) Dishwashing machine. Big tub. Garden. Wood floors. Your share: $450/month + about $80 utilities (gas, elec, phone, cable modem) At the moment I just need a warm body with a warm wallet who's not into eating puppies that can move in August 1st and stay at least a month. Send me email, call 503-236-0671 or drop by. -- Commence simultaneous panic on my mark. From dnguyen at ci.portland.or.us Tue Jul 22 13:21:44 2003 From: dnguyen at ci.portland.or.us (Nguyen, Dat) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] O'Reilly Open Source Convention draws over 1,800 Message-ID: <8B10C83D6E9FD211B1670090272A69E10F345191@city04.bit.city> O'Reilly announced today that this year's Open Source Convention (OSCON) drew over 1800 programmers, developers, strategists, and technical staff to Portland, Oregon from July 7-11. For five days, convention goers delved into a program designed to "embrace and extend proprietary software." Open source software "has gone from being a question mark to an exclamation point," said OSCON program chair and O'Reilly editor Nathan Torkington. From schwern at pobox.com Fri Jul 25 00:24:15 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- Roomate needed, pronto! In-Reply-To: References: <20030723080603.GE19645@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: <20030725052415.GF29481@windhund.schwern.org> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 06:36:43PM -0700, Ken Broadfoot wrote: > > At the moment I just need a warm body with a warm wallet who's not > > into eating puppies that can move in August 1st and stay at least a month. > > Hmm.... kinda odd sentence... Its an ad for a roomate, not an entry into the Oxford Great Modern Prose contest. Feh. ;) To clarify in case it wasn't clar, its a two bedroom place and I have no roomate for August. There's a week to go and I need somebody. Everything's negociable at this point. > But who doesn't need the first two parts? Usually its a rapidly cooling body with a warm wallet... -- I need a SHOWER a BURGER and some ROBOTS, STAT! -- http://www.angryflower.com/allrigh.gif From kfoot at superspy.net Thu Jul 24 20:36:43 2003 From: kfoot at superspy.net (Ken Broadfoot) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- Roomate needed, pronto! In-Reply-To: <20030723080603.GE19645@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: > 2631 SE 21st Ave. > Corner of 21st and Clinton across from Crackers, right down the street from > La Cruda, Clinton St. Theater, Red & Black coffeehouse, People's Food Co-op. > Sharing the whole 2nd floor of a large house. Great area of Portland.... > Directly above "Go Gourmet" resturaunt. > 2 bedrooms. > Full bathroom. > Large kitchen. > Large, open living area. Semi-partitioned so you can have your half and > I can have mine. > Wireless. Geek must.... > Washer/Dryer (and its not coin-op!) > Dishwashing machine. > Big tub. > Garden. > Wood floors. > Your share: $450/month + about $80 utilities (gas, elec, phone, cable modem) > In Kauai this would be: $1200 dollars a month. Of course it would be closer to the beach. > At the moment I just need a warm body with a warm wallet who's not > into eating puppies that can move in August 1st and stay at least a month. Hmm.... kinda odd sentence... But who doesn't need the first two parts? > > Send me email, call 503-236-0671 or drop by. > > > -- > Commence simultaneous panic on my mark. > . > ==================================================================== > = GEekList -- GeEk oF thE WorLd UniTed -- Techie forum = > ==================================================================== > . > From jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu Fri Jul 25 18:48:05 2003 From: jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu (Joshua Hoblitt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- Roomate needed, pronto! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > In Kauai this would be: $1200 dollars a month. Of course it would be > closer to the beach. The way things are going on Kauai $1200 would be a steal. -J -- From jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu Sun Jul 27 02:22:56 2003 From: jhoblitt at ifa.hawaii.edu (Joshua Hoblitt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- Roomate needed, pronto! In-Reply-To: <000a01c3540f$25fbafc0$6401a8c0@reason> References: <000a01c3540f$25fbafc0$6401a8c0@reason> Message-ID: > Hmm almost makes we want to buy a dump on Kauai and make some cash. :) If you can afford it. The low end starts at $300K. Things are better on this island but the land has been appreciating at .5%/month for several years now - it's getting insane. This might be getting a tad off topic... -J -- From kfoot at superspy.net Sat Jul 26 02:29:36 2003 From: kfoot at superspy.net (Ken Broadfoot) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- Roomate needed, pronto! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Woo Woo! A Geek in Hawaii! I am in Kapa'a. What's a Kapa'a? Good question... Not sure. And that is $1200 for "half" a two bedroom place. --ken On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > > In Kauai this would be: $1200 dollars a month. Of course it would be > > closer to the beach. > > The way things are going on Kauai $1200 would be a steal. > > -J > > -- > From john.crosswhite at comcast.net Sun Jul 27 02:19:02 2003 From: john.crosswhite at comcast.net (John Crosswhite) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] (no subject) Message-ID: <000a01c3540f$25fbafc0$6401a8c0@reason> From john.crosswhite at comcast.net Sun Jul 27 02:17:33 2003 From: john.crosswhite at comcast.net (John Crosswhite) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- Roomate needed, pronto! References: Message-ID: <000a01c3540f$25fbafc0$6401a8c0@reason> Hmm almost makes we want to buy a dump on Kauai and make some cash. :) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Broadfoot" To: "Joshua Hoblitt" Cc: "Michael G Schwern" ; ; Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- Roomate needed, pronto! > > Woo Woo! A Geek in Hawaii! > > I am in Kapa'a. What's a Kapa'a? Good question... Not sure. > > And that is $1200 for "half" a two bedroom place. > > --ken > > > > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > > > > In Kauai this would be: $1200 dollars a month. Of course it would be > > > closer to the beach. > > > > The way things are going on Kauai $1200 would be a steal. > > > > -J > > > > -- > > > > . > ==================================================================== > = GEekList -- GeEk oF thE WorLd UniTed -- Techie forum = > ==================================================================== > . From nick2canz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 11:26:00 2003 From: nick2canz at yahoo.com (Nick Wehr) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Serial hardware Message-ID: <20030728162600.34050.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Hello fellas, Here's one for you. I'm needing to interface a piece of hardware through a serial line. All I need to do is read the pulses from the data pin. Any suggestions? I have no idea if a module supports this kind of issue... where do I begin? Thanks! -Nick Wehr __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From chiller at eldorado.elsewhere.org Mon Jul 28 13:10:23 2003 From: chiller at eldorado.elsewhere.org (Christopher M. Hiller) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Serial hardware In-Reply-To: <20030728162600.34050.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you are on Windows, try Win32::SerialPort. It's fairly straightforward to use--I wrote a script to read weights from a serial scale with it... -- Christopher Hiller http://www.chrishiller.net On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Nick Wehr wrote: > Hello fellas, > > Here's one for you. I'm needing to interface a piece > of hardware through a serial line. All I need to do is > read the pulses from the data pin. Any suggestions? I > have no idea if a module supports this kind of issue... > where do I begin? > > Thanks! > > -Nick Wehr > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Pdx-pm-list mailing list > Pdx-pm-list@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pdx-pm-list > From robb at empire2.com Mon Jul 28 13:20:40 2003 From: robb at empire2.com (Rob Bloodgood) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Serial hardware In-Reply-To: <20030728162600.34050.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030728162600.34050.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55605370797.20030728112040@empire2.com> Monday, July 28, 2003, 9:26:00 AM, you wrote: NW> Here's one for you. I'm needing to interface a piece NW> of hardware through a serial line. All I need to do is NW> read the pulses from the data pin. Any suggestions? I NW> have no idea if a module supports this kind of issue... NW> where do I begin? using cpan, i /serial/ shows, (among the many "Serialise" variants) Device::SerialPort and Win32::SerialPort From schwern at pobox.com Mon Jul 28 21:18:30 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] pdxcolo.net opinions? Message-ID: <20030729021830.GA3440@windhund.schwern.org> Anyone using pdxcolo.net and have experiences/opinions on it? The idea of using user mode Linux to give you full control over a virtual host sounds sweet. -- Abandon failing tactics. From schwern at pobox.com Tue Jul 29 01:55:56 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- pdxcolo.net opinions? In-Reply-To: References: <20030729021830.GA3440@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: <20030729065556.GA3512@windhund.schwern.org> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:42:21PM -0700, Ken Broadfoot wrote: > This looks cool... How many usermode machines do you think is practical > on, say, a 2 gig processor machine? 30? Well, the $20/month deal gives you a guaranteed 64MHz so do the math. Though I don't what the overhead is per user mode kernel. -- WOOHOO! I'm going to Disneyland! http://www.goats.com/archive/980805.html From kfoot at superspy.net Mon Jul 28 21:42:21 2003 From: kfoot at superspy.net (Ken Broadfoot) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Re: Geeklist -- pdxcolo.net opinions? In-Reply-To: <20030729021830.GA3440@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: Wow... This looks cool... How many usermode machines do you think is practical on, say, a 2 gig processor machine? 30? --ken On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Anyone using pdxcolo.net and have experiences/opinions on it? The idea > of using user mode Linux to give you full control over a virtual host > sounds sweet. > > -- > Abandon failing tactics. > . > ==================================================================== > = GEekList -- GeEk oF thE WorLd UniTed -- Techie forum = > ==================================================================== > . > From robbyrussell at pdxlug.org Tue Jul 29 12:57:08 2003 From: robbyrussell at pdxlug.org (Robby Russell) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] hashes Message-ID: <64512.66.93.77.251.1059501428.squirrel@webmail.pdxlug.org> I assume I can ask programming questions here, correct? :-p Since I've joined I haven't seen many...anyhoo. I have a hash...and I'm constantly populuting the hash of ip addresses and timestamps. So, I have a limit of how many timestamps for each ip address in my hash. %hash_ips 1 => 0101010 (timestamp) 2 -> 014509249 (timestamp) and so on It's working all fine and dandy, but I'm not getting rid of hash keys/values that are older than a determined # of seconds. So what I'd like to do is compare each first entry in the hash to the current timestamp each time a function is run. Is there an easy-ish method to accomplishing this? # Populate hash push(@{ $hash_ips{$host} }, $logTime ); The logtimes/current time are in EPOCH as well. Thanks for any input, (goes back to his cookbooks) -- Robby Russell Portland Linux User Group http://www.pdxlug.org/ From jkeroes at eli.net Tue Jul 29 14:04:32 2003 From: jkeroes at eli.net (Joshua Keroes) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] hashes In-Reply-To: <64512.66.93.77.251.1059501428.squirrel@webmail.pdxlug.org> References: <64512.66.93.77.251.1059501428.squirrel@webmail.pdxlug.org> Message-ID: <20030729190432.GD7000@eli.net> On (Tue, Jul 29 10:57), Robby Russell wrote: > I assume I can ask programming questions here, correct? :-p Since I've > joined I haven't seen many...anyhoo. > > I have a hash...and I'm constantly populuting the hash of ip addresses and > timestamps. > > So, I have a limit of how many timestamps for each ip address in my hash. > > %hash_ips > 1 => 0101010 (timestamp) > 2 -> 014509249 (timestamp) and so on > > It's working all fine and dandy, but I'm not getting rid of hash > keys/values that are older than a determined # of seconds. > > So what I'd like to do is compare each first entry in the hash to the > current timestamp each time a function is run. > > Is there an easy-ish method to accomplishing this? > > # Populate hash > push(@{ $hash_ips{$host} }, $logTime ); > > The logtimes/current time are in EPOCH as well. > > Thanks for any input, (goes back to his cookbooks) I'm not sure which is more important to you: 1. That the IPs are readily accessible. 2. That the IPs are easily expirable. In the first case your data-structure looks good. If it's the second case, then I'd suggest using a heap instead. Heaps have the handy ability to remain sorted, by say, timestamp. Here's a quick mockup of a heap implementation using Heap::Simple, found on CPAN. There are other heap modules out there, this just happens to be the one I have on my system. #!/opt/perl580/bin/perl -w # # ip_ts_heap.pl - Store IPs in a heap indexed by timestamp # jkeroes@eli.net 29 Jul 2003 use strict; use Heap::Simple; use Data::Dumper; my $heap = Heap::Simple->new(order => '<', elements => [ Hash => 'ts' ], ) or die "Can't create new heap"; while ( ) { my ($ts, $ip) = split; $heap->insert( { ts => $ts, ip => $ip } ); } print "The heap, internally sorted:\n", Dumper $heap; print "Deleting all IPs above 1060000003... "; $heap->extract_upto( 1060000003 ); print "done.\n"; print "The heap, after expiration:\n", Dumper $heap; exit; __DATA__ 1060000003 10.2.0.0 1060000002 10.9.0.0 1060000005 10.3.0.0 1060000001 10.5.0.0 1060000004 10.1.0.0 1060000006 10.8.0.0 From robbyrussell at pdxlug.org Tue Jul 29 16:50:13 2003 From: robbyrussell at pdxlug.org (Robby Russell) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] hashes In-Reply-To: <20030729190432.GD7000@eli.net> References: <64512.66.93.77.251.1059501428.squirrel@webmail.pdxlug.org> <20030729190432.GD7000@eli.net> Message-ID: <61421.66.93.77.251.1059515413.squirrel@webmail.pdxlug.org> > On (Tue, Jul 29 10:57), Robby Russell wrote: > > > I'm not sure which is more important to you: > 1. That the IPs are readily accessible. > 2. That the IPs are easily expirable. > > In the first case your data-structure looks good. If it's the second > case, then I'd suggest using a heap instead. Heaps have the handy > ability to remain sorted, by say, timestamp. > > Here's a quick mockup of a heap implementation using Heap::Simple, > found on CPAN. There are other heap modules out there, this just > happens to be the one I have on my system. > > > #!/opt/perl580/bin/perl -w > # > # ip_ts_heap.pl - Store IPs in a heap indexed by timestamp > # jkeroes@eli.net 29 Jul 2003 > > use strict; > use Heap::Simple; > use Data::Dumper; > Thanks for the suggestion. I actually came across Tie::IxHash and it seems to do the trick Since my hash contains the key ip and the value (an array) I just created a function that loops through the hash and runs a diff on the [0] timestamp in the array and the current time. If it's > defined seconds, it deletes the hash record. :-) Thanks again for your help! -- Robby Russell Portland Linux User Group http://www.pdxlug.org/ From schwern at pobox.com Thu Jul 31 01:44:06 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:23 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fireside Cafe, open 124 hours a week! Message-ID: <20030731064406.GC24299@windhund.schwern.org> BEST COFFEEHOUSE EVER Fireside Cafe, SE 13th and Powell. Free wireless. Free ethernet. Power jacks galore. Comfy faux "cabin in the woods" feel. Friendly clerk (the owner). Little side room with rocking chairs for quietness. Populated mostly by studying college students. And the hours: Open 7pm Sunday to Midnight on Friday. 124 hours a week! YOW! If anyone needs me, I'll be right here. -- Its not stupid, its advanced. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Jul 31 07:07:12 2003 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:24 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fireside Cafe, open 124 hours a week! In-Reply-To: <20030731064406.GC24299@windhund.schwern.org> References: <20030731064406.GC24299@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: <86vftiaoi9.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Michael" == Michael G Schwern writes: Michael> BEST COFFEEHOUSE EVER Michael> Fireside Cafe, SE 13th and Powell. Darn. *Another* place on the east side. When will we see the *first* of these on the west side? {sigh} :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From mschuette at dslnorthwest.net Thu Jul 31 09:47:46 2003 From: mschuette at dslnorthwest.net (Marc Schuette) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:24 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] Fireside Cafe, open 124 hours a week! In-Reply-To: <86vftiaoi9.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <20030731064406.GC24299@windhund.schwern.org> <86vftiaoi9.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <3F292C12.4090408@dslnorthwest.net> i would start packing - it will be far easier and faster Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>>"Michael" == Michael G Schwern writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> > >Michael> BEST COFFEEHOUSE EVER >Michael> Fireside Cafe, SE 13th and Powell. > >Darn. *Another* place on the east side. When will we see the *first* >of these on the west side? {sigh} > >:-) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IMNSHO :) and thanks for the tip on the fireside, schwern. my mom lives near there and i've driven by but not stopped. next time i will. r -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/pdx-pm-list/attachments/20030731/0a9b1742/attachment.bin From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Jul 31 16:20:02 2003 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:34:24 2004 Subject: [Pdx-pm] CoffeePlant opens on West side In-Reply-To: <3F2930C1.6060303@hevanet.com> References: <20030731064406.GC24299@windhund.schwern.org> <86vftiaoi9.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <3F2930C1.6060303@hevanet.com> Message-ID: <864r129ywx.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "david" == david pool writes: >> Darn. *Another* place on the east side. When will we see the *first* >> of these on the west side? {sigh} >> >> :-) >> david> As soon as we finish the wireless installation. We should have it up david> and running by next week. The shop is called The CoffeePlant and it's david> at 724 SW Washington. The place is kinda small. But we've got a clean david> line of sight to O'bryant park and you should be able to pick up the david> Wi-Fi from there as well. Cool! Good for you guys! But I meant someplace that I don't have to pay for parking. The *west* side. Maybe I'll have to convince the McM's where I wrote the llama and the alpaca to add wireless. That'd rock. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!