From karic at lclark.edu Thu Jan 3 12:52:05 2002 From: karic at lclark.edu (Kari Chisholm) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Your Own O'Reilly Book! References: Message-ID: <3C34A855.93CD17C4@lclark.edu> 'mongers-- Now everyone can be as famous as Randal! http://www.ilbbs.com/oracovers/ -kari. TIMTOWTDI From poec at yahoo.com Fri Jan 4 14:02:12 2002 From: poec at yahoo.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Next pdx.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <01c001c18fda$eaa30800$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: <20020104200212.32121.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, This is just a reminder that the next pdx.pm meeting is Wednesday, January 9th. Full details are at http://portland.pm.org/. Randal Schwartz will be giving us an overview of the new features we can expect in Perl 6. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push@A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com TIMTOWTDI From sparksc at hlyw.com Fri Jan 4 16:53:08 2002 From: sparksc at hlyw.com (Chris Sparks) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Next pdx.pm meeting Message-ID: I am planning on being there. Sparky >>> Curtis Poe 01/04/02 12:02PM >>> Hello all, This is just a reminder that the next pdx.pm meeting is Wednesday, January 9th. Full details are at http://portland.pm.org/. Randal Schwartz will be giving us an overview of the new features we can expect in Perl 6. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push@A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Fri Jan 4 21:11:16 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Next pdx.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <20020104200212.32121.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020104200212.32121.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: Curtis> This is just a reminder that the next pdx.pm meeting is Curtis> Wednesday, January 9th. Full details are at Curtis> http://portland.pm.org/. And if you saw it last night at the Portland Linux Users Group meeting, there really won't be anything new, except slightly different jokes perhaps. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From al at shadowed.net Mon Jan 7 09:25:03 2002 From: al at shadowed.net (Allison Randal) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: a book I want Message-ID: <20020107152503.GB3673@shadowed.net> Since you are all thinking about Perl 6 this week, riddle me this. I'm sure O'Reilly or someone has thought of this (or something similar). I'm just curious who. I really want this book. Perl 6 Primer Part one is written for people who are learning perl for the first time on 6. Basically it's something I could use on my intro to perl students. Certainly no competition for llama or camel, just an intro. Part two is for people who already know perl and want a quick jump start/reference on the changes. This is for my co-workers, people who have taken the intro perl class 4 times, etc. It's a shortish book, under Perl in a Nutshell and over the Perl 5 Pocket Reference. I want it to be short enough that I don't get the usual "I'll never get through that!" groans. It should be unintimidating but informative. The Apocalypses and Exegeses are a bit much for the average Perl user. The thing that bothers me is that I seem to encounter more fear and disbelief than enthusiasm whenever I get in a conversation about Perl 6. If possible, the book should be released a few months before the full production version of Perl 6, with a revision released on a fairly short schedule to catch up with all the changes that are sure to happen in the first months. Has anyone heard of such a creature, or rumors of such a creature? al TIMTOWTDI From poec at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 10:55:53 2002 From: poec at yahoo.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: a book I want In-Reply-To: <20020107152503.GB3673@shadowed.net> Message-ID: <20020107165553.4888.qmail@web9103.mail.yahoo.com> --- Allison Randal wrote: > Since you are all thinking about Perl 6 this week, riddle me this. I'm > sure O'Reilly or someone has thought of this (or something similar). I'm > just curious who. I really want this book. > > Perl 6 Primer Randal, Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you chatting with Damian about that changes you would need to make to "Learning Perl" to accomplish this? If I recall correctly, you said that not a lot would actually need to be changed to get this out the door. Of course, I could also be making things up. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push@A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com TIMTOWTDI From al at shadowed.net Mon Jan 7 14:29:00 2002 From: al at shadowed.net (Allison Randal) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: a book I want In-Reply-To: <20020107165553.4888.qmail@web9103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020107152503.GB3673@shadowed.net> <20020107165553.4888.qmail@web9103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020107202900.GC4277@shadowed.net> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 08:55:53AM -0800, Curtis Poe wrote: > > Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you chatting with Damian about > that changes you would need to make to "Learning Perl" to accomplish > this? If I recall correctly, you said that not a lot would actually > need to be changed to get this out the door. I figured llama and camel would be updated. I was hoping for something a little lighter. But this could work. Maybe a couple extra "transitional" chapters at the end? Dunno, I'm not the expert, just a foot-soldier in the trenches. :) al TIMTOWTDI From almeria at earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 18:49:08 2002 From: almeria at earthlink.net (Raphael Almeria) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Perl - RE: a book I want In-Reply-To: <20020107202900.GC4277@shadowed.net> Message-ID: >I figured llama and camel would be updated. I was hoping for something a >little lighter. But this could work. Maybe a couple extra "transitional" >chapters at the end? Dunno, I'm not the expert, just a foot-soldier in >the trenches. :) Hmmm...why not just write it yourself or get someone else to write it and post it to perlmonks.org. I'm sure that if you place a pointer to it on slashdot.org that many perl programmers out there will hear about it. This assumes that O'Reilly isn't interested in publishing a short how-to. I've followed the Apocalypses and Exegeses and I admit that some of the items talked about are impenetrable perhaps because they lack context, are from functional programming or lack sufficient explanation but others are very cool. I really like the new hyper operator that allows you to do this: @mean = (@data1 ^- @data2)/scalar(@data1); all of a sudden you've gotten rid of a for loop and condensed it into one nice compact statement. Cheers, Raphael TIMTOWTDI From al at shadowed.net Tue Jan 8 03:02:43 2002 From: al at shadowed.net (Allison Randal) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Perl - RE: a book I want In-Reply-To: References: <20020107202900.GC4277@shadowed.net> Message-ID: <20020108090243.GF6351@shadowed.net> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:49:08PM -0800, Raphael Almeria wrote: > > Hmmm...why not just write it yourself or get someone else to write it > and post it to perlmonks.org. I'm sure that if you place a pointer to > it on slashdot.org that many perl programmers out there will hear > about it. This assumes that O'Reilly isn't interested in publishing a > short how-to. I did think of it as a book I'd like to write, but nobodies like me rarely get published. I know, it took me several years, some chance connections and a really unique topic to get published in the linguistic field. But, I figure that if I'm interested in a book like this, others might be too. Hey, maybe I'll get to encourage whoever does write the material or is writing it. > I've followed the Apocalypses and Exegeses and I admit that some of > the items talked about are impenetrable perhaps because they lack > context, are from functional programming or lack sufficient > explanation ... I think their target audience is pretty high level. Which is exactly what it needs to be to get the language developed. > ... but others are very cool. I really like the new hyper > operator that allows you to do this: > > @mean = (@data1 ^- @data2)/scalar(@data1); > > all of a sudden you've gotten rid of a for loop and condensed it into > one nice compact statement. Yup. Loads of cool stuff. I want other people to catch that excitement. al TIMTOWTDI From al at shadowed.net Tue Jan 8 09:24:18 2002 From: al at shadowed.net (Allison Randal) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: a book I want In-Reply-To: <20020107152503.GB3673@shadowed.net> References: <20020107152503.GB3673@shadowed.net> Message-ID: <20020108152418.GA7797@shadowed.net> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 09:25:03AM -0600, Allison Randal wrote: > I'm sure O'Reilly or someone has thought of this (or something > similar). I'm just curious who. I really want this book. Ah-ha! Damian's writing it (he posted to perlmonks). Cool. That makes sense. al TIMTOWTDI From al at shadowed.net Tue Jan 8 09:24:18 2002 From: al at shadowed.net (Allison Randal) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: a book I want In-Reply-To: <20020107152503.GB3673@shadowed.net> References: <20020107152503.GB3673@shadowed.net> Message-ID: <20020108152418.GA7797@shadowed.net> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 09:25:03AM -0600, Allison Randal wrote: > I'm sure O'Reilly or someone has thought of this (or something > similar). I'm just curious who. I really want this book. Ah-ha! Damian's writing it (he posted to perlmonks). Cool. That makes sense. al TIMTOWTDI From poec at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 15:57:12 2002 From: poec at yahoo.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Next pdx.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <20020104200212.32121.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020109215712.33616.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> Don't forget that the next pdx.pm meeting is this evening. See http://portland.pm.org/ for details. If you're new to Perl, this meeting may get a bit hairy at times, but it should still be rather informative. Don't be afraid! Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push@A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ TIMTOWTDI From markmoon at teleport.com Wed Jan 9 18:52:21 2002 From: markmoon at teleport.com (MarkyMoon) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Next pdx.pm meeting References: <20020109215712.33616.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C3CE5C1.3E010199@teleport.com> This is kind of fitting tonight (snipped from The Official Guide to Klingon Programming Etiquette): @a = ("a".."z"," ","-","!","\n");foreach $b ( 18,15,4,2,8,5,8,2,0,19,8,14,13,18,26,0,17,4,26, 5,14,17,26,19,7,4,26,22,4,0,10,26,0,13,3,26,19, 8,12,8,3,28) {print $a[$b]};print $a[29]; See you kids tonight! MarkyMoon Curtis Poe wrote: > > Don't forget that the next pdx.pm meeting is this evening. See http://portland.pm.org/ for > details. > > If you're new to Perl, this meeting may get a bit hairy at times, but it should still be rather > informative. Don't be afraid! > > Cheers, > Curtis "Ovid" Poe > > ===== > "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ > Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: > push@A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; > shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From almeria at earthlink.net Thu Jan 10 02:27:59 2002 From: almeria at earthlink.net (Raphael Almeria) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Next pdx.pm meeting In-Reply-To: <3C3CE5C1.3E010199@teleport.com> Message-ID: >This is kind of fitting tonight (snipped from The Official Guide to >Klingon Programming Etiquette): > >@a = ("a".."z"," ","-","!","\n");foreach $b ( >18,15,4,2,8,5,8,2,0,19,8,14,13,18,26,0,17,4,26, >5,14,17,26,19,7,4,26,22,4,0,10,26,0,13,3,26,19, >8,12,8,3,28) {print $a[$b]};print $a[29]; What a funny hack! Raphael TIMTOWTDI From cp at onsitetech.com Mon Jan 14 16:37:36 2002 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Last pdx.pm meeting and Networking References: Message-ID: <009501c19d4c$11307bf0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Hi all, The last Perl Mongers meeting was great, though I learned the hard way that Produce Row Cafe is about as stupid a venue as I could have picked for the social part. Heck, even McDonalds (ugh!) would have worked out better. The next meeting will be Wednesday, February 13th. The location and topic have yet to be determined. My company has agreed to go ahead and host any meetings for which we do not find an alternate location, so at least that worry is out of the way. If others have locations we can meet at (and some told me that they did), I'd love to hear 'em. I would like, if possible, to try to plan future meetings out at least two months in advance, so if Tom and Randal aren't always available, we'll have plenty of advance warning. If you have a technical presentation you'd like to give, shoot me an email. Side note: We're hiring. I debated including this as I wasn't sure if it's appropriate. If you'd rather not see stuff like this on the list, let me know. I'm sure we don't want tribes of headhunters seeking victims here. We are looking for a temp-to-hire Perl/CGI programmer who's fairly comfortable with SQL and has some database design experience. The *only* reason it's temp-to-hire is because we have a huge wad of VC money that's probably coming through, but since it hasn't, we can't make any guarantees as to length of employment beyond one month, possibly two. I realize that this doesn't make the most attractive offer, but I thought I would toss it out there. If you're interested, send your resume to jobs@onsitetech.com rather than to the list. Benefits include having your own duck at your workstation. Curtis "Ovid" Poe, Senior Programmer, ONSITE! Technology Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push @A, $_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift @a;shift @a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A TIMTOWTDI From tex at off.org Mon Jan 14 16:55:48 2002 From: tex at off.org (Austin Schutz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Last pdx.pm meeting and Networking In-Reply-To: <009501c19d4c$11307bf0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com>; from cp@onsitetech.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 02:37:36PM -0800 References: <009501c19d4c$11307bf0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: <20020114145548.U13898@gblx.net> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 02:37:36PM -0800, Curtis Poe wrote: > Hi all, > > The last Perl Mongers meeting was great, though I learned the hard way that > Produce Row Cafe is about as stupid a venue as I could have picked for the > social part. Heck, even McDonalds (ugh!) would have worked out better. > Produce Row would probably work well in the summer when the tables out back are available. > The next meeting will be Wednesday, February 13th. The location and topic > have yet to be determined. My company has agreed to go ahead and host any > meetings for which we do not find an alternate location, so at least that > worry is out of the way. If others have locations we can meet at (and some > told me that they did), I'd love to hear 'em. > The pdxwireless/personaltelco group meets at the lucky lab. That works pretty well as a venue for us. > Side note: We're hiring. I debated including this as I wasn't sure if it's > appropriate. If you'd rather not see stuff like this on the list, let me > know. I'm sure we don't want tribes of headhunters seeking victims here. > In times past headhunting on lists has been considered a faux pas. These days there are enough geeks out of work that I would no longer consider it so. I don't mind putting up with having to delete an extra mail or two if it means someone gets to keep their house. That said, having leagues of professional headhunters hammering the list would be pretty obnoxious. Austin TIMTOWTDI From karic at lclark.edu Mon Jan 14 17:24:26 2002 From: karic at lclark.edu (Kari Chisholm) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Last pdx.pm meeting and Networking References: <009501c19d4c$11307bf0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> <20020114145548.U13898@gblx.net> Message-ID: <3C4368AA.B9BFC97A@lclark.edu> We should be so lucky. -kari. Austin Schutz wrote: > > That said, having leagues of professional headhunters > hammering the list would be pretty obnoxious. TIMTOWTDI From JInce at kforce.com Mon Jan 14 18:15:08 2002 From: JInce at kforce.com (Ince, Jubal) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: From a dreaded headhunter Message-ID: I know Intel is looking for a few contractors with Perl experience. I don't have the inside track on any of the openings, but if you know someone who does you might want to call them! Regards, Jubal Ince KFORCE 503 478 6521 voice 800 990 6609 toll free 503 293 2337 fax jince@kforce.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/pdx-pm-list/attachments/20020114/66977c3b/attachment.htm From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Jan 15 06:26:35 2002 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: From a dreaded headhunter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Ince," == Ince, Jubal writes: Ince,> I know Intel is looking for a few contractors with Perl experience. I don't Ince,> have the inside track on any of the openings, but if you know someone who Ince,> does you might want to call them! I don't suppose it would make much sense for me to call them. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From dave at runkle.com Tue Jan 15 11:13:00 2002 From: dave at runkle.com (Dave Runkle) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: From a dreaded headhunter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020115091003.W26882-100000@trittico.fiddi.com> On 15 Jan 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > I don't suppose it would make much sense for me to call them. :) Well, it's been a long time... forgive and forget and all that, you know... OTOH, do you have the experience? ;) Dave > >>>>> "Ince," == Ince, Jubal writes: > Ince,> I know Intel is looking for a few contractors with Perl > Ince,> experience. I don't have the inside track on any of the > Ince,> openings, but if you know someone who does you might want > Ince,> to call them! TIMTOWTDI From robb at empire2.com Tue Jan 15 14:33:47 2002 From: robb at empire2.com (Rob Bloodgood) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: From a dreaded headhunter In-Reply-To: <20020115091003.W26882-100000@trittico.fiddi.com> Message-ID: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! (OK I know there's no useful content here but... Dang! :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdx-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-pdx-pm-list@pm.org]On > Behalf Of Dave Runkle > > On 15 Jan 2002, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > I don't suppose it would make much sense for me to call them. :) > > > Well, it's been a long time... forgive and forget and all that, you > know... > > OTOH, do you have the experience? ;) > > Dave > > > > >>>>> "Ince," == Ince, Jubal writes: > > Ince,> I know Intel is looking for a few contractors with Perl > > Ince,> experience. I don't have the inside track on any of the > > Ince,> openings, but if you know someone who does you might want > > Ince,> to call them! > > TIMTOWTDI > TIMTOWTDI From poec at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 15:00:24 2002 From: poec at yahoo.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:28 2004 Subject: Perl Foundation In-Reply-To: <3C4368AA.B9BFC97A@lclark.edu> Message-ID: <20020128210024.57218.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> Would anyone be interested in contributing to a local fund raising drive for the Perl Development Grant Fund? Basically, these donations are to fund the work of Dr. Damian Conway and Dan Sugalski in continuing efforts to promote Perl Awareness and continue development on Perl 6. You can read a bit about this at http://www.perl-foundation.org/index.cgi?page=pr#pr-drive Further, there are links provided to let you know what previous funding has accomplished. You can also go straight to https://donate.perl-foundation.org/index.pl?node=Contribution+Info for a secure online donation, if you prefer. If you do donate, could you drop me an email? I'd like to track how much, if any, we manage to raise. All information will be strictly confidential. You might also wish to check out http://www.stonehenge.com/. They're a local Perl training/consultancy business headed by Randal Schwartz and Tom Phoenix. They contributed substantially to the both the last and current Development fund. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ Someone asked me how to count to 10 in Perl: push@A,$_ for reverse q.e...q.n.;for(@A){$_=unpack(q|c|,$_);@a=split//; shift@a;shift@a if $a[$[]eq$[;$_=join q||,@a};print $_,$/for reverse @A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com TIMTOWTDI