From cp at onsitetech.com Mon Nov 5 17:07:55 2001 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:24 2004 Subject: Project Help Wanted References: <28ede29879.2987928ede@mysun.com> Message-ID: <000901c1664e$b45de860$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> As some of you may know, there are plenty of text adventures that have been started in Perl, but I haven't seen any completed, except for MUDs (multi-user dungeons). I'd like to actually finish one. If you're not familiar with these, they basically print out a room description and you type things like "pick up the gun and shoot Ovid" and the interpreter figures out what you mean and responds accordingly. I've started fleshing out the basics of how this would work and actually have code written to handle some of the database work. I'm wondering if there are any local Perl people who would be willing to devote time to such a project? Skills desired (all skills negotiable, except for the Perl skills): Good Perl skills, including object-oriented design. Database design. Linguistics experience would be helpful. A little bit of free time :) Knowledge of at least one foreign language would also be helpful, expecially if you have experience working with Perl and this language. Of course, this is strictly volunteer and I intend that it be freely available to anyone who cares to use it. If you don't have the time to code, but you'd like to sit around and brainstorm design issues, that would be great. If you can contribute time, but are worried that you may have to drop out at some point, that's fine, too. I'm hardly a stickler when I can't afford to pay anyone. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 TIMTOWTDI From randall_burns at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 17:21:34 2001 From: randall_burns at hotmail.com (Randall Burns) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:24 2004 Subject: Perl Work sought in Portland Area Message-ID: I live near Vancouver, WA. I would appreciate any suggestions folks might have about looking for work in the Portland Area. My resume is at: http://www.outlander.com/resume_expanded.htm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp TIMTOWTDI From cp at onsitetech.com Tue Nov 20 11:25:59 2001 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:24 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together References: Message-ID: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> I never heard a follow-up to this. Is this still on? Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal L. Schwartz" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together > > I'll be out of town for 4 weeks starting next week, but I return > Thanksgiving week. > > I wonder if we can pull off a social meeting on either nov 19 or nov > 20. Is there anyone interested in that? Some centrally located pub, > like a McM or perhaps whatever that microbrewery in the Pe(a)rl > district that *used* to be Portland Brewing (is that Rogue now?). > > The real reason is that I want to have some friends to celebrate my > 40th birthday slightly early (it's on Thanksgiving). So, can we come > out to play? > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! > TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Nov 20 11:33:20 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:24 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together In-Reply-To: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> References: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: Curtis> I never heard a follow-up to this. Is this still on? I don't recall getting enough feedback to put it on my calendar. However, since I'm very good at scheduling things on the fly, how about tonight around 7pm, at some central McM's, like Broadway? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Tue Nov 20 11:46:17 2001 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together References: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: <3BFA96E9.CF38A62A@vpservices.com> "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > > However, since I'm very good at scheduling things on the fly, how > about tonight around 7pm, at some central McM's, like Broadway? I originally thought I was going to be out of town but I'm not. If I can get out of another meeting I have early enough I'll come. Happy birthday either way :-) -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From cp at onsitetech.com Tue Nov 20 12:08:55 2001 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together References: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: <007501c171ee$6b99c800$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Sold! To the man with the cheap Kermit the Frog imitation :) The McM's on Broadway? Is that the one that is just north of Lloyd center in Irvington? That would be awesome since it's about two blocks from my apartment. I am nothing if not selfish. Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 "If I heard a voice from heaven say 'Live without loving', I'd beg off. Girls are such exquisite hell." Publius Ovidius Naso ("Ovid") ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal L. Schwartz" To: "Curtis Poe" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Suggestion for possible social get-together > >>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: > > Curtis> I never heard a follow-up to this. Is this still on? > > I don't recall getting enough feedback to put it on my calendar. > > However, since I'm very good at scheduling things on the fly, how > about tonight around 7pm, at some central McM's, like Broadway? > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Nov 20 12:16:26 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together In-Reply-To: <007501c171ee$6b99c800$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> References: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> <007501c171ee$6b99c800$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: Curtis> Sold! To the man with the cheap Kermit the Frog imitation :) Curtis> The McM's on Broadway? Is that the one that is just north of Lloyd center Curtis> in Irvington? That would be awesome since it's about two blocks from my Curtis> apartment. I am nothing if not selfish. Oh, wrong broadway. I was thinking of the one by PSU. Both will have nearly identical parking problems. :) However, Broadway McM's (near Lloyd center) does have a bit more space for a group meeting. If I recall, the one by PSU was good for maybe five people or so at a table. :) So, Broadway McM's at say, 7pm? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From jhoblitt at mysun.com Tue Nov 20 12:52:20 2001 From: jhoblitt at mysun.com (josh hoblitt) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together Message-ID: <54407555a6.555a654407@mysun.com> Is McM's on Broadway at 7 confirmed? -Joshua Hoblitt -- jhoblitt@mysun.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zucker" Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:46 am Subject: Re: Suggestion for possible social get-together > "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > > > > However, since I'm very good at scheduling things on the fly, how > > about tonight around 7pm, at some central McM's, like Broadway? > > I originally thought I was going to be out of town but I'm not. If I > can get out of another meeting I have early enough I'll come. > > Happy birthday either way :-) > > -- > Jeff > TIMTOWTDI > TIMTOWTDI From ice-pirate at home.com Tue Nov 20 13:56:26 2001 From: ice-pirate at home.com (Mark) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together References: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> <007501c171ee$6b99c800$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: <3BFAB56A.1080401@home.com> Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>>"Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: >>>>>> > > Curtis> Sold! To the man with the cheap Kermit the Frog imitation :) > Curtis> The McM's on Broadway? Is that the one that is just north of Lloyd center > Curtis> in Irvington? That would be awesome since it's about two blocks from my > Curtis> apartment. I am nothing if not selfish. > > Oh, wrong broadway. I was thinking of the one by PSU. Both will have > nearly identical parking problems. :) > > However, Broadway McM's (near Lloyd center) does have a bit more space > for a group meeting. If I recall, the one by PSU was good for maybe > five people or so at a table. :) > > So, Broadway McM's at say, 7pm? Sounds good to me. Lloyd McM at 7. -Mark TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Nov 20 14:02:20 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together In-Reply-To: <3BFAB56A.1080401@home.com> References: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> <007501c171ee$6b99c800$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> <3BFAB56A.1080401@home.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Mark" == Mark writes: Mark> Sounds good to me. Lloyd McM at 7. OK, that's at least 3. I'm there! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From cdawson at webiphany.com Tue Nov 20 14:40:29 2001 From: cdawson at webiphany.com (Chris Dawson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together References: <005c01c171e8$6c341af0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> <007501c171ee$6b99c800$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: <3BFABFBD.5090209@webiphany.com> Oh, this must be a conspiracy. I guess I was one of the few who responded to the first request, but heard nothing back. I am out of town now and won't be able to attend. How about the McM's in San Francisco? :) Chris PerlySMIL http://www.webiphany.com/perlysmil/ Curtis Poe wrote: >Sold! To the man with the cheap Kermit the Frog imitation :) > >The McM's on Broadway? Is that the one that is just north of Lloyd center >in Irvington? That would be awesome since it's about two blocks from my >apartment. I am nothing if not selfish. > >Cheers, >Curtis Poe >Senior Programmer >ONSITE! Technology >www.onsitetech.com >503.233.1418 > >"If I heard a voice from heaven say 'Live without loving', > I'd beg off. Girls are such exquisite hell." > > Publius Ovidius Naso ("Ovid") > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Randal L. Schwartz" >To: "Curtis Poe" >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:33 AM >Subject: Re: Suggestion for possible social get-together > > >>>>>>>"Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: >>>>>>> >>Curtis> I never heard a follow-up to this. Is this still on? >> >>I don't recall getting enough feedback to put it on my calendar. >> >>However, since I'm very good at scheduling things on the fly, how >>about tonight around 7pm, at some central McM's, like Broadway? >> >>-- >>Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 >> >0095 > >> >>Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >>See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl >> >training! > >TIMTOWTDI > > TIMTOWTDI From Ian_Shaughnessy at NAI.com Tue Nov 20 15:18:58 2001 From: Ian_Shaughnessy at NAI.com (Shaughnessy, Ian) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together Message-ID: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C83@SNC-5-14.nai.com> I'm somewhat new to this list, but heck, I'll come as well :) -Ian -----Original Message----- From: merlyn@stonehenge.com [mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:02 PM To: Mark Cc: Curtis Poe; pdx-pm-list@pm.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for possible social get-together >>>>> "Mark" == Mark writes: Mark> Sounds good to me. Lloyd McM at 7. OK, that's at least 3. I'm there! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From kilbey at lclark.edu Tue Nov 20 17:12:24 2001 From: kilbey at lclark.edu (Aaron Kilbey) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Input TYPE=FILE Error Checking Message-ID: <009001c17218$d0dfe440$0500000a@aaron> I am scripting a cgi to handle an employment application which includes a resume submit in an tag. I also have extensive error checking where, when there's an error, the form gets printed back with all the previous values populating the right fields....fairly standard. The problem arises when i try to print back . The value gets written into the HTML, yet the input field in the browser is blank and a weird null file gets uploaded upon correct submission. Basically, how do I re-populate that field everytime with the information that will produce the right file upon upload. - Aaron TIMTOWTDI From jhoblitt at mysun.com Tue Nov 20 17:53:49 2001 From: jhoblitt at mysun.com (josh hoblitt) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together Message-ID: <5b1ad5622d.5622d5b1ad@mysun.com> Oh man I just let some female type talk me into dinner tonight. Does anything think a non-purl type would be bored to tears? Thanks, -Joshua Hoblitt -- jhoblitt@mysun.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Dawson Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:40 pm Subject: Re: Suggestion for possible social get-together > Oh, this must be a conspiracy. I guess I was one of the few who > responded to the first request, but heard nothing back. I am out > of > town now and won't be able to attend. > > How about the McM's in San Francisco? :) > > Chris > PerlySMIL > http://www.webiphany.com/perlysmil/ > > Curtis Poe wrote: > > >Sold! To the man with the cheap Kermit the Frog imitation :) > > > >The McM's on Broadway? Is that the one that is just north of > Lloyd center > >in Irvington? That would be awesome since it's about two blocks > from my > >apartment. I am nothing if not selfish. > > > >Cheers, > >Curtis Poe > >Senior Programmer > >ONSITE! Technology > >www.onsitetech.com > >503.233.1418 > > > >"If I heard a voice from heaven say 'Live without loving', > > I'd beg off. Girls are such exquisite hell." > > > > Publius Ovidius Naso ("Ovid") > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Randal L. Schwartz" > >To: "Curtis Poe" > >Cc: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:33 AM > >Subject: Re: Suggestion for possible social get-together > > > > > >>>>>>>"Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: > >>>>>>> > >>Curtis> I never heard a follow-up to this. Is this still on? > >> > >>I don't recall getting enough feedback to put it on my calendar. > >> > >>However, since I'm very good at scheduling things on the fly, how > >>about tonight around 7pm, at some central McM's, like Broadway? > >> > >>-- > >>Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 > 503 777 > >> > >0095 > > > >> target="l">http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>>>Perl/Unix/security > consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > >>See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl > >> > >training! > > > >TIMTOWTDI > > > > > > > > TIMTOWTDI > TIMTOWTDI From cp at onsitetech.com Tue Nov 20 18:02:34 2001 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Input TYPE=FILE Error Checking References: <009001c17218$d0dfe440$0500000a@aaron> Message-ID: <00b901c1721f$d2d4f950$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but you cannot make that field sticky (i.e., retain its value between calls). Otherwise, you could insert an arbitrary value, put it on an invisible layer and grab any file you wanted from someone's box. That would be a no-no :) Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Kilbey" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Input TYPE=FILE Error Checking > I am scripting a cgi to handle an employment application which includes a > resume submit in an tag. I also have extensive > error checking where, when there's an error, the form gets printed back with > all the previous values populating the right fields....fairly standard. The > problem arises when i try to print back VALUE="$querystring{bla}">. The value gets written into the HTML, yet the > input field in the browser is blank and a weird null file gets uploaded upon > correct submission. Basically, how do I re-populate that field everytime > with the information that will produce the right file upon upload. - Aaron > > TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Tue Nov 20 18:06:01 2001 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Input TYPE=FILE Error Checking References: <009001c17218$d0dfe440$0500000a@aaron> Message-ID: <3BFAEFE9.5B05ECF0@vpservices.com> Aaron Kilbey wrote: > > ... when i try to print back VALUE="$querystring{bla}">. The value gets written into the HTML, yet the > input field in the browser is blank and a weird null file gets uploaded upon > correct submission. Basically, how do I re-populate that field everytime > with the information that will produce the right file upon upload. - Aaron To quote Lincoln Stein, from p. 150 of his book: "...it is impossible to set a default value for a file upload field. This is because of concerns that malicious Webmasters could fool unsuspecting users into uploading private or security-sensitive files to a remote system. For this reason, file fields are not sticky in the way that other form fields are." I suppose you could print back the original file location as a hidden field and have javascript fill in the file upload field automatically or something like that. If that's possible (I haven't messed with javascript for years so I don't know), then it's yet another security hole in javascript :-(. You could also just print it to a regular text field and prompt the user to cut and paste it into the file upload field. A bit more work for the user, but better than them turning over their hard drive contents to unknown webmasters. -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue Nov 20 18:31:26 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together In-Reply-To: <5b1ad5622d.5622d5b1ad@mysun.com> References: <5b1ad5622d.5622d5b1ad@mysun.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "josh" == josh hoblitt writes: josh> Oh man I just let some female type talk me into dinner tonight. Does josh> anything think a non-purl type would be bored to tears? Not at all. I'm not planning on doing anything but celebrating my birthday, and telling tales of the high seas, having just been on two geekcruises. I can promise it will be entertaining. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From cp at onsitetech.com Tue Nov 20 18:37:30 2001 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Input TYPE=FILE Error Checking References: <009001c17218$d0dfe440$0500000a@aaron> <3BFAEFE9.5B05ECF0@vpservices.com> Message-ID: <00c501c17224$b476d3c0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Zucker" > I suppose you could print back the original file location as a hidden > field and have javascript fill in the file upload field automatically or > something like that. If that's possible (I haven't messed with > javascript for years so I don't know), then it's yet another security > hole in javascript :-(. You could also just print it to a regular text > field and prompt the user to cut and paste it into the file upload > field. A bit more work for the user, but better than them turning over > their hard drive contents to unknown webmasters. > > -- > Jeff > TIMTOWTDI No, that won't work. Using the file field requires manual intervention on the part of the person using the browser. Further, they have to use the "Browse" button. Simply typing in the name of the file will not work. Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 TIMTOWTDI From todd_caine at eli.net Tue Nov 20 18:53:06 2001 From: todd_caine at eli.net (Todd Caine) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together References: <5b1ad5622d.5622d5b1ad@mysun.com> Message-ID: <3BFAFAF2.1F6A0479@eli.net> Of course not! We aren't boring people just because we're "Perl types". 8'P Bring her along. tOdd josh hoblitt wrote: > Does anything think a non-purl type would be bored to tears? -- Todd Caine Electric Lightwave, Inc. tcaine@eli.net TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Tue Nov 20 18:50:58 2001 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Input TYPE=FILE Error Checking References: <009001c17218$d0dfe440$0500000a@aaron> <3BFAEFE9.5B05ECF0@vpservices.com> <00c501c17224$b476d3c0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: <3BFAFA72.F12AF289@vpservices.com> Curtis Poe wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Zucker" > > > I suppose you could print back the original file location as a hidden > > field and have javascript fill in the file upload field automatically or > > something like that. If that's possible (I haven't messed with > > javascript for years so I don't know), then it's yet another security > > hole in javascript :-(. You could also just print it to a regular text > > field and prompt the user to cut and paste it into the file upload > > field. A bit more work for the user, but better than them turning over > > their hard drive contents to unknown webmasters. > No, that won't work. Using the file field requires manual intervention on > the part of the person using the browser. Further, they have to use the > "Browse" button. Simply typing in the name of the file will not work. I suppose that might be true on some browsers. I just tried it on Nutscrape 4.7 and Exploder 5.0 and they both let me type in a filename without touching the browse button and my script uploaded the file fine. -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From jhoblitt at mysun.com Tue Nov 20 19:16:20 2001 From: jhoblitt at mysun.com (josh hoblitt) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together Message-ID: <5dca35b3f7.5b3f75dca3@mysun.com> Randal, I'm just trying to picture you as a sea pirate. -Joshua Hoblitt -- jhoblitt@mysun.com ----- Original Message ----- From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Suggestion for possible social get-together > >>>>> "josh" == josh hoblitt writes: > > josh> Oh man I just let some female type talk me into dinner > tonight. Does > josh> anything think a non-purl type would be bored to tears? > > Not at all. I'm not planning on doing anything but celebrating my > birthday, and telling tales of the high seas, having just been on > two geekcruises. I can promise it will be entertaining. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 > 777 0095 > target="l">http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>Perl/Unix/security > consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl > training! TIMTOWTDI From jhoblitt at mysun.com Tue Nov 20 19:17:17 2001 From: jhoblitt at mysun.com (josh hoblitt) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together Message-ID: <58fca56ab2.56ab258fca@mysun.com> She has a Ph.d in clinical psychology. Maybe she's planning on doing a case study because she thought it sounded like a good time. -Joshua Hoblitt -- jhoblitt@mysun.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Keroes" Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Re: Suggestion for possible social get-together > On Tuesday 20 November 2001 15:53, josh hoblitt wrote: > > Oh man I just let some female type talk me into dinner tonight. > Does> anything think a non-purl type would be bored to tears? > > Depends if she's a geek or not. In general, taking a woman out to a > nice > place with dim lights, good food, pleasant music, and ANTISOCIAL > SMELLY (yet > lovable) GEEKS RAMBLING ON ABOUT THE VIRTUES OF $/ may not lead to > future > dates. > > My $0.02 > Joshua > TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Tue Nov 20 19:31:55 2001 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Input TYPE=FILE Error Checking References: <009001c17218$d0dfe440$0500000a@aaron> <3BFAEFE9.5B05ECF0@vpservices.com> <00c501c17224$b476d3c0$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> <3BFAFA72.F12AF289@vpservices.com> Message-ID: <3BFB040B.1BBEB8A4@vpservices.com> Jeff Zucker wrote: > > > > I suppose you could print back the original file location as a hidden > > > field and have javascript fill in the file upload field automatically or > > > something like that. If that's possible (I haven't messed with > > > javascript for years so I don't know) I just checked, the javascript kludge doesn't seem to work with reasonably current browsers, thank goodness. > > > You could also just print it to a regular text > > > field and prompt the user to cut and paste it into the file upload > > > field. But that does work: the user can manually cut and paste from a text field into a file upload field. -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Tue Nov 20 19:33:51 2001 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: Suggestion for possible social get-together References: <58fca56ab2.56ab258fca@mysun.com> Message-ID: <3BFB047F.3669192C@vpservices.com> josh hoblitt wrote: > > She has a Ph.d in clinical psychology. Maybe she's planning on doing a > case study because she thought it sounded like a good time. Or maybe that's an indication of the "physician heal thyself" syndrome. :-) -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From cp at onsitetech.com Wed Nov 21 12:06:28 2001 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Meeting References: <58fca56ab2.56ab258fca@mysun.com> <3BFB047F.3669192C@vpservices.com> Message-ID: <000f01c172b7$3e3b4d60$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Hello all; If you missed yesterday's get-together, we had a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to another get together. We are tentatively planning it for the second or third week in December. How does Thursday, December 13th at 8:00 pm sound to everyone? Suggestions for convenient venues are welcome. The intent is for Portland Perl Mongers - PPM (or Monger wannabees) to have a "get to know you" meeting without a fixed agenda. At that meeting, we can talk about future meetings, both technical and social. Several ideas for great technical meetings have already been put forward and I'm really excited about seeing the PPM get going again. Personal notes: there was some discussion about software development last night and some questions were asked about the Capability Maturity Model. A brief summary may be found at http://www.sei.cmu.edu/cmm/cmm.sum.html. In retrospect, it dawned on me that some organizations may be more suited to Extreme Programming, also known as XP. A "gentle introduction" may be found at http://www.extremeprogramming.org/. Amusingly, the self-described "gentle introduction" has an intimidating graphic with terms like "Architectural Spike" and "New User Story Project Velocity". Don't let it scare you :) The difference between the two may be summed up as follows: the Capability Maturity Model is software development with a suit. XP is software development with a nose ring. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I strongly recommend that everyone interested in software development processes read through those. Send email to the list if you can make the Dec. 18th meeting, or if another date would be convenient. Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 TIMTOWTDI From joe at phattydomain.com Wed Nov 21 12:31:11 2001 From: joe at phattydomain.com (Joe Oppegaard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Meeting In-Reply-To: <000f01c172b7$3e3b4d60$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: December 13th sounds good to me. I myself am a newcomer to this list, and wasn't able to make it last night. I'm looking forward to meeting some other people intersted in Perl, for I know about 1 other. Take care, -- -Joe Oppegaard On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Curtis Poe wrote: > Hello all; > > If you missed yesterday's get-together, we had a lot of fun and I'm looking > forward to another get together. > > We are tentatively planning it for the second or third week in December. > How does Thursday, December 13th at 8:00 pm sound to everyone? Suggestions > for convenient venues are welcome. The intent is for Portland Perl > Mongers - PPM (or Monger wannabees) to have a "get to know you" meeting > without a fixed agenda. At that meeting, we can talk about future meetings, > both technical and social. Several ideas for great technical meetings have > already been put forward and I'm really excited about seeing the PPM get > going again. > > Personal notes: there was some discussion about software development last > night and some questions were asked about the Capability Maturity Model. A > brief summary may be found at http://www.sei.cmu.edu/cmm/cmm.sum.html. > > In retrospect, it dawned on me that some organizations may be more suited to > Extreme Programming, also known as XP. A "gentle introduction" may be found > at http://www.extremeprogramming.org/. Amusingly, the self-described > "gentle introduction" has an intimidating graphic with terms like > "Architectural Spike" and "New User Story Project Velocity". Don't let it > scare you :) > > The difference between the two may be summed up as follows: the Capability > Maturity Model is software development with a suit. XP is software > development with a nose ring. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I > strongly recommend that everyone interested in software development > processes read through those. > > Send email to the list if you can make the Dec. 18th meeting, or if another > date would be convenient. > > Cheers, > Curtis Poe > Senior Programmer > ONSITE! Technology > www.onsitetech.com > 503.233.1418 > > TIMTOWTDI > TIMTOWTDI From Ian_Shaughnessy at NAI.com Wed Nov 21 14:42:18 2001 From: Ian_Shaughnessy at NAI.com (Shaughnessy, Ian) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Meeting Message-ID: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C85@SNC-5-14.nai.com> "How does Thursday, December 13th at 8:00 pm sound to everyone?" ... "Send email to the list if you can make the Dec. 18th meeting" So which date is it? ;) -Ian -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Poe [mailto:cp@onsitetech.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:06 AM To: pdx-pm-list@pm.org Cc: Christian Brink Subject: PerlMongers Meeting Hello all; If you missed yesterday's get-together, we had a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to another get together. We are tentatively planning it for the second or third week in December. How does Thursday, December 13th at 8:00 pm sound to everyone? Suggestions for convenient venues are welcome. The intent is for Portland Perl Mongers - PPM (or Monger wannabees) to have a "get to know you" meeting without a fixed agenda. At that meeting, we can talk about future meetings, both technical and social. Several ideas for great technical meetings have already been put forward and I'm really excited about seeing the PPM get going again. Personal notes: there was some discussion about software development last night and some questions were asked about the Capability Maturity Model. A brief summary may be found at http://www.sei.cmu.edu/cmm/cmm.sum.html. In retrospect, it dawned on me that some organizations may be more suited to Extreme Programming, also known as XP. A "gentle introduction" may be found at http://www.extremeprogramming.org/. Amusingly, the self-described "gentle introduction" has an intimidating graphic with terms like "Architectural Spike" and "New User Story Project Velocity". Don't let it scare you :) The difference between the two may be summed up as follows: the Capability Maturity Model is software development with a suit. XP is software development with a nose ring. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I strongly recommend that everyone interested in software development processes read through those. Send email to the list if you can make the Dec. 18th meeting, or if another date would be convenient. Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From cp at onsitetech.com Wed Nov 21 15:08:36 2001 From: cp at onsitetech.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Meeting References: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C85@SNC-5-14.nai.com> Message-ID: <002d01c172d0$afda2e00$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaughnessy, Ian" To: "'Curtis Poe'" ; Cc: "Christian Brink" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: PerlMongers Meeting > "How does Thursday, December 13th at 8:00 pm sound to everyone?" > ... > "Send email to the list if you can make the Dec. 18th meeting" > > So which date is it? ;) > -Ian Heh, and people wondered why there was a Y2K problem. Reminds me of a stupid little Haiku I composed before the year 2000: Is Y2K real? The problem's being solved by Men who can't find dates The PC side of me wants to point out that not all programmers are men, but I couldn't get that to fit into the 5-7-5 Haiku structure :) I meant December 13. Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 TIMTOWTDI From Ian_Shaughnessy at NAI.com Wed Nov 21 16:34:44 2001 From: Ian_Shaughnessy at NAI.com (Shaughnessy, Ian) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Meeting Message-ID: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C87@SNC-5-14.nai.com> Excellent, I figured as much (since the 18th was not a Thursday), but I just wanted to confirm. Sounds like a great time for me. Any suggestions yet on where to meet? -Ian -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Poe [mailto:cp@onsitetech.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:09 PM To: pdx-pm-list@pm.org Cc: Christian Brink Subject: Re: PerlMongers Meeting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaughnessy, Ian" To: "'Curtis Poe'" ; Cc: "Christian Brink" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: PerlMongers Meeting > "How does Thursday, December 13th at 8:00 pm sound to everyone?" > ... > "Send email to the list if you can make the Dec. 18th meeting" > > So which date is it? ;) > -Ian Heh, and people wondered why there was a Y2K problem. Reminds me of a stupid little Haiku I composed before the year 2000: Is Y2K real? The problem's being solved by Men who can't find dates The PC side of me wants to point out that not all programmers are men, but I couldn't get that to fit into the 5-7-5 Haiku structure :) I meant December 13. Cheers, Curtis Poe Senior Programmer ONSITE! Technology www.onsitetech.com 503.233.1418 TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From cmoore at vetinari.hellyeah.org Wed Nov 21 16:44:03 2001 From: cmoore at vetinari.hellyeah.org (Clint Moore) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Meeting In-Reply-To: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C85@SNC-5-14.nai.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Shaughnessy, Ian wrote: > "How does Thursday, December 13th at 8:00 pm sound to everyone?" > ... > "Send email to the list if you can make the Dec. 18th meeting" > > So which date is it? ;) > -Ian > Hehe. I was wondering the same thing. I can make either day. -cm -- Clint Moore cmoore@hellyeah.org TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Nov 21 17:32:07 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PerlMongers Meeting In-Reply-To: <002d01c172d0$afda2e00$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> References: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C85@SNC-5-14.nai.com> <002d01c172d0$afda2e00$1a01a8c0@ot.onsitetech.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: Curtis> I meant December 13. I've reserved the 13th. I'd suggest starting a bit sooner, like 6:30pm, especially if you have the meeting central like Downtown... and put some sort of casual-arrival social thing first... and if you have a "meeting" proper, then 8pm start time for that, after the social thing. That's worked in the past in other groups I've attended. Of course, if it's all social, then say "6:30 to 11, come when you can". :) As for venues, the place we were at last night was good. As is WhoSong and Larry's in Johns Landing, with a nice water view. I believe there are one or two drinking-minors subscribed to this list, so a general pub like McM's would be preferred. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From mark at drapple.com Fri Nov 23 11:22:12 2001 From: mark at drapple.com (Mark Hartley) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: MS Sql server and Perl Message-ID: <20011123092212.A12711@drapple.com> OK, I have a question for the group. I've got a Perl web-based app which I've been using Mysql as the back end database. The plan was that this was going to be migrated to either Oracle or DB2 as the back end, but I had a curve ball thrown at me, and someone made a decision (a bad one in my opinion) that I would have Microsoft SQL server as my database. This isn't a decision I am going to be able to change. I've done some searching on the net and on CPAN for modules to talk to the database (DBD drivers/etc), and I've found one module called DBD::FreeTDS which can directly talk to MS SQL (however that appears to not even exist anymore). So, my real question is: what is the best method for being able to talk to a MS Sql server? Anybody with a fair bit of experience in doing this? Any gotchas I should look for? Any books/websites I should go to? Thanks. Mark. perl@drapple.com TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Fri Nov 23 11:51:37 2001 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: MS Sql server and Perl References: <20011123092212.A12711@drapple.com> Message-ID: <3BFE8CA9.4780C3C7@vpservices.com> Mark Hartley wrote: > > So, my real question is: what is the best method for being able to > talk to a MS Sql server? Anybody with a fair bit of experience in > doing this? Any gotchas I should look for? Any books/websites I > should go to? DBD::ODBC or DBD::Sybase. Join for more info. -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From poec at yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 15:30:23 2001 From: poec at yahoo.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting Message-ID: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Well, it looks like the Thursday, December 13th meeting is a go. Two possible venues: Lucky Labrador Brew Pub @ 915 SE Hawthorne Boulevard (http://www.luckylab.com/). They have plenty of seating. Minors allowed until 9:00 PM. They also have a private room, but it's $100.00. Unless people want to pitch in, we'll be in the common area. McMenamins Pub @ 1504 NE Broadway, Suite 900 (http://www.mcmenamins.com/Pubs/Bway/index.html). If I recall correctly, there's more seating at the Luck Lab, but McMenamins allows minors until 10:00 PM. If you can make it, send email to the list with a vote on where you'd like to be. Then we'll go to the Broadway location anyway ;) Actually, the main point of the RSVP is to get an idea of how many people we're likely to have at future PDX.pm meetings. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== Senior Programmer Onsite! Technology (http://www.onsitetech.com/) "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 TIMTOWTDI From robb at empire2.com Wed Nov 28 16:02:39 2001 From: robb at empire2.com (Rob Bloodgood) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > If you can make it, send email to the list with a vote on where > you'd like to be. Then we'll go > to the Broadway location anyway ;) Actually, the main point of > the RSVP is to get an idea of how > many people we're likely to have at future PDX.pm meetings. Count me in. And I *liked* the Broadway venue. OTOH, I'm not a minor... :-) L8r, Rob #!/usr/bin/perl -w use Disclaimer qw/:standard/; TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Nov 28 16:09:42 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis Poe writes: Curtis> Well, it looks like the Thursday, December 13th meeting is a Curtis> go. Two possible venues: Lucky Labrador Brew Pub @ 915 SE Curtis> Hawthorne Boulevard (http://www.luckylab.com/). They have Curtis> plenty of seating. Minors allowed until 9:00 PM. They also Curtis> have a private room, but it's $100.00. Unless people want to Curtis> pitch in, we'll be in the common area. Since we've been to McMs a couple of times now (or at least I have, recently :-), how about the lab... that'd be good. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From ice-pirate at home.com Wed Nov 28 16:12:53 2001 From: ice-pirate at home.com (Mark) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting References: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C056165.5020503@home.com> Curtis Poe wrote: > Well, it looks like the Thursday, December 13th meeting is a go. Two possible venues: > > Lucky Labrador Brew Pub @ 915 SE Hawthorne Boulevard (http://www.luckylab.com/). They have plenty > of seating. Minors allowed until 9:00 PM. They also have a private room, but it's $100.00. > Unless people want to pitch in, we'll be in the common area. > > McMenamins Pub @ 1504 NE Broadway, Suite 900 (http://www.mcmenamins.com/Pubs/Bway/index.html). If > I recall correctly, there's more seating at the Luck Lab, but McMenamins allows minors until 10:00 > PM. > > If you can make it, send email to the list with a vote on where you'd like to be. Then we'll go > to the Broadway location anyway ;) Actually, the main point of the RSVP is to get an idea of how > many people we're likely to have at future PDX.pm meetings. I prefer McMenamins, but it's not a strong preference. I'll be there in whichever location. -Mark TIMTOWTDI From joe at phattydomain.com Wed Nov 28 14:53:19 2001 From: joe at phattydomain.com (Joe Oppegaard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll be able to make it, I vote for McMenamins since I'm a minor. -- -Joe Oppegaard On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Curtis Poe wrote: > Well, it looks like the Thursday, December 13th meeting is a go. Two possible venues: > > Lucky Labrador Brew Pub @ 915 SE Hawthorne Boulevard (http://www.luckylab.com/). They have plenty > of seating. Minors allowed until 9:00 PM. They also have a private room, but it's $100.00. > Unless people want to pitch in, we'll be in the common area. > > McMenamins Pub @ 1504 NE Broadway, Suite 900 (http://www.mcmenamins.com/Pubs/Bway/index.html). If > I recall correctly, there's more seating at the Luck Lab, but McMenamins allows minors until 10:00 > PM. > > If you can make it, send email to the list with a vote on where you'd like to be. Then we'll go > to the Broadway location anyway ;) Actually, the main point of the RSVP is to get an idea of how > many people we're likely to have at future PDX.pm meetings. > > Cheers, > Curtis "Ovid" Poe > > > ===== > Senior Programmer > Onsite! Technology (http://www.onsitetech.com/) > "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > TIMTOWTDI > TIMTOWTDI From kilbey at lclark.edu Wed Nov 28 17:09:09 2001 From: kilbey at lclark.edu (Aaron Kilbey) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PERL Sorting Message-ID: <007401c17861$afe58520$0500000a@aaron> I'm trying to do a sort where one array gets sorted by two other arrays, one after another. I have: @fileArray = @fileArray[sort { $temp1[$a] <=> $temp1[$b] } 0..$#temp1]; This sorts @fileArray by the values in @temp1. If I now do: @fileArray = @fileArray[sort { $temp2[$a] <=> $temp2[$b] } 0..$#temp2]; I have sorted @fileArray by @temp2 yet I lose my first sort results defeating the purpose. I'm guesssing I have to compound the sorts but I'm not sure where the "or" goes with this notation? Basically looking for: Location IQ --------------------- Astoria 10 Astoria 40 Astoria 100 Portland 10 Portland 40 Portland 100 @temp1 being locations, @temp2 being ages. Any Input? - Aaron Kilbey TIMTOWTDI From Ian_Shaughnessy at NAI.com Wed Nov 28 17:28:14 2001 From: Ian_Shaughnessy at NAI.com (Shaughnessy, Ian) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting Message-ID: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C93@SNC-5-14.nai.com> Am I the only minor on this list? I hate to hold you guys down.. :) But I don't think it would be too much of a problem, generally brew pubs wont kick you out once you're in, they just stop allowing minors to enter after 9/10 PM. Also, I remember a while ago someone suggested it be held at the Bridgeport Brewpub, anyone interested in there? -Ian -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Poe [mailto:poec@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:30 PM To: pdx-pm-list@pm.org Cc: cb@onsitetech.com Subject: December 13th Meeting Well, it looks like the Thursday, December 13th meeting is a go. Two possible venues: Lucky Labrador Brew Pub @ 915 SE Hawthorne Boulevard (http://www.luckylab.com/). They have plenty of seating. Minors allowed until 9:00 PM. They also have a private room, but it's $100.00. Unless people want to pitch in, we'll be in the common area. McMenamins Pub @ 1504 NE Broadway, Suite 900 (http://www.mcmenamins.com/Pubs/Bway/index.html). If I recall correctly, there's more seating at the Luck Lab, but McMenamins allows minors until 10:00 PM. If you can make it, send email to the list with a vote on where you'd like to be. Then we'll go to the Broadway location anyway ;) Actually, the main point of the RSVP is to get an idea of how many people we're likely to have at future PDX.pm meetings. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== Senior Programmer Onsite! Technology (http://www.onsitetech.com/) "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Nov 28 17:30:30 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Oppegaard writes: Joe> I'll be able to make it, I vote for McMenamins since I'm a minor. But minors are allowed until 9pm at the lab! It's only a one hour difference. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Nov 28 17:32:52 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: PERL Sorting In-Reply-To: <007401c17861$afe58520$0500000a@aaron> References: <007401c17861$afe58520$0500000a@aaron> Message-ID: >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Kilbey writes: Aaron> I'm trying to do a sort where one array gets sorted by two other arrays, one Aaron> after another. Aaron> I have: Aaron> @fileArray = @fileArray[sort { $temp1[$a] <=> $temp1[$b] } 0..$#temp1]; Aaron> This sorts @fileArray by the values in @temp1. Aaron> If I now do: Aaron> @fileArray = @fileArray[sort { $temp2[$a] <=> $temp2[$b] } 0..$#temp2]; Aaron> I have sorted @fileArray by @temp2 yet I lose my first sort results Aaron> defeating the purpose. Aaron> I'm guesssing I have to compound the sorts but I'm not sure where the "or" Aaron> goes with this notation? Can you explain what you want? Is it a two-level sort, with @temp1 being the primary sort order, and @temp2 being the secondary sort order to break ties in the primary? If so, use this: @fileArray = @fileArray[sort { $temp1[$a] <=> $temp1[$b] or $temp2[$a] <=> $temp2[$b] } 0..$#temp1]; Aaron> Basically looking for: Aaron> Location IQ Aaron> --------------------- Aaron> Astoria 10 Aaron> Astoria 40 Aaron> Astoria 100 Aaron> Portland 10 Aaron> Portland 40 Aaron> Portland 100 Aaron> @temp1 being locations, @temp2 being ages. Oops.. if you have strings, one of those <=> needs to be "cmp" instead. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From joe at phattydomain.com Wed Nov 28 16:03:26 2001 From: joe at phattydomain.com (Joe Oppegaard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: True, really either is fine. I'll show up either way. -- -Joe Oppegaard On 28 Nov 2001, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Oppegaard writes: > > Joe> I'll be able to make it, I vote for McMenamins since I'm a minor. > > But minors are allowed until 9pm at the lab! It's only a one hour > difference. > > TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Wed Nov 28 18:04:46 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C93@SNC-5-14.nai.com> References: <75256BFE0332D4118969009027E77E7C798C93@SNC-5-14.nai.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Ian" == Shaughnessy, Ian writes: Ian> Am I the only minor on this list? I hate to hold you guys Ian> down.. :) But I don't think it would be too much of a problem, Ian> generally brew pubs wont kick you out once you're in, they just Ian> stop allowing minors to enter after 9/10 PM. No, if the OLCC license says "no minors after 9", failure to comply with that could cost them their license. And yes, the OLCC has been running raids (again) lately. Vote the OLCC out, please! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From mikeraz at patch.com Wed Nov 28 18:05:13 2001 From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz@patch.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com>; from poec@yahoo.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:30:23PM -0800 References: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011128160513.A23611@patch.com> Both locations work well for me. We can probably get the private room at the Lucky Lab by promising to spend $100 on food and beer rather than spending $100 on the room itself. That's what the Personal Telco and Oregon Brew Crew people do when they use the room. On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:30:23PM -0800, Curtis Poe typed: > Lucky Labrador Brew Pub @ 915 SE Hawthorne Boulevard (http://www.luckylab.com/). They have plenty > of seating. Minors allowed until 9:00 PM. > > McMenamins Pub @ 1504 NE Broadway, Suite 900 (http://www.mcmenamins.com/Pubs/Bway/index.html). If -- Michael Rasmussen aka mikeraz Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin But keep in mind: How often I found where I should be going only by setting out for somewhere else. -- R. Buckminster Fuller TIMTOWTDI From jeff at vpservices.com Wed Nov 28 21:15:37 2001 From: jeff at vpservices.com (Jeff Zucker) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting References: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C05A859.3075AAD4@vpservices.com> Curtis Poe wrote: > > Well, it looks like the Thursday, December 13th meeting is a go. Two possible venues: I can be there. I vote for whichever of the places has best seating. I don't find the long tables at McMenamins very good for meetings -- it's hard to see and hear everyone. But perahps they'll let us move things around. -- Jeff TIMTOWTDI From todd_caine at eli.net Wed Nov 28 18:19:49 2001 From: todd_caine at eli.net (Todd Caine) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting References: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C057F25.FCAF603D@eli.net> We might want to start thinking about holding social events at other places besides pubs so that we can accommodate all members of the Perl community young and old. I've got nothing against binge drinking ;) with a bunch of older geeks, but the young guys are just as important to this community as we are. Why don't we try to hold social gatherings at a bowling alley or maybe even a restaurant? Who knows maybe we'll starting seeing a better turn out from some of the under age folks as well. With that said, I need a beer. -tOdd Curtis Poe wrote: > Well, it looks like the Thursday, December 13th meeting is a go. Two possible venues: > > Lucky Labrador Brew Pub @ 915 SE Hawthorne Boulevard (http://www.luckylab.com/). They have plenty > of seating. Minors allowed until 9:00 PM. They also have a private room, but it's $100.00. > Unless people want to pitch in, we'll be in the common area. > > McMenamins Pub @ 1504 NE Broadway, Suite 900 (http://www.mcmenamins.com/Pubs/Bway/index.html). If > I recall correctly, there's more seating at the Luck Lab, but McMenamins allows minors until 10:00 > PM. > > If you can make it, send email to the list with a vote on where you'd like to be. Then we'll go > to the Broadway location anyway ;) Actually, the main point of the RSVP is to get an idea of how > many people we're likely to have at future PDX.pm meetings. > > Cheers, > Curtis "Ovid" Poe > > ===== > Senior Programmer > Onsite! Technology (http://www.onsitetech.com/) > "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ -- Todd Caine Software Engineer Electric Lightwave, Inc. tcaine@eli.net TIMTOWTDI From perl at sonofhans.net Wed Nov 28 23:42:15 2001 From: perl at sonofhans.net (Randall Hansen) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lucky Lab gets my vote, but I'll go either way. Hi, I'm Randall. Yes, another one, but at least I spell it the right way :) I'm on Perl Monks too, as 'legLess,' though I've been quiet lately. r -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdx-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-pdx-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Curtis Poe Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:30 PM To: pdx-pm-list@pm.org Cc: cb@onsitetech.com Subject: December 13th Meeting Well, it looks like the Thursday, December 13th meeting is a go. Two possible venues: Lucky Labrador Brew Pub @ 915 SE Hawthorne Boulevard (http://www.luckylab.com/). They have plenty of seating. Minors allowed until 9:00 PM. They also have a private room, but it's $100.00. Unless people want to pitch in, we'll be in the common area. McMenamins Pub @ 1504 NE Broadway, Suite 900 (http://www.mcmenamins.com/Pubs/Bway/index.html). If I recall correctly, there's more seating at the Luck Lab, but McMenamins allows minors until 10:00 PM. If you can make it, send email to the list with a vote on where you'd like to be. Then we'll go to the Broadway location anyway ;) Actually, the main point of the RSVP is to get an idea of how many people we're likely to have at future PDX.pm meetings. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== Senior Programmer Onsite! Technology (http://www.onsitetech.com/) "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 TIMTOWTDI TIMTOWTDI From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Nov 29 08:44:44 2001 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: <3C057F25.FCAF603D@eli.net> References: <20011128213023.10693.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> <3C057F25.FCAF603D@eli.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Todd" == Todd Caine writes: Todd> We might want to start thinking about holding social events at other places besides pubs so that we Todd> can accommodate all members of the Perl community young and old. The Lucky Lab admits minors until 9, and McMs until 10. If we haven't been sufficiently social by then, we aren't holding a PM meeting. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! TIMTOWTDI From poec at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 17:26:04 2001 From: poec at yahoo.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting Message-ID: <20011130232604.28303.qmail@web9106.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I counted up the votes and it looks like the Lucky Lab has won out. Date: December 13th Time: 6:30 PM Address: 915 SE Hawthorne Boulevard URL: http://www.luckylab.com/ In retrospect, I suppose that choosing pubs was probably not the best idea, so we'll try to do a bit better next time. In case you missed it the first time, the main point of the meeting is just to get to know one another and see how the PDX.pm group stands. In other words, this is a social get together, though I doubt anyone would get upset chatting about technical issues. I'd also like us to chat about the most convenient way to handle future meetings. We have issues with those under 21 and perhaps even those who may find bars/pubs/taverns objectionable. When I used to attend Amsterdam.pm meetings -- though I still don't have one of their nifty shirts :( -- we would meet at a restaurant for a social gathering and, later, retire to someone's office (within walking distance of the chosen restaurant) for a technical meeting. This avoids many of the problems involved with minors being kicked out early. Start thinking about things you'd like to see at these meetings and how you would like to contribute and we'll start hashing things together when we meet. Incidentally, when was the last official PDX.pm meeting? Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe ===== Senior Programmer Onsite! Technology (http://www.onsitetech.com/) "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com TIMTOWTDI From lbartels at ptiglobal.com Fri Nov 30 18:59:12 2001 From: lbartels at ptiglobal.com (Leuth Bartels) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting Message-ID: <11837FE741B1D111B3490000C042C0D63CDB51@NTSERVER> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Ivy.gif Type: image/gif Size: 5665 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/pdx-pm-list/attachments/20011130/a03bd6af/Ivy.gif From poec at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 19:22:04 2001 From: poec at yahoo.com (Curtis Poe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:05:25 2004 Subject: December 13th Meeting In-Reply-To: <11837FE741B1D111B3490000C042C0D63CDB51@NTSERVER> Message-ID: <20011201012204.99544.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Leuth, Skill level absolutely is NOT a prerequisite :) The goal of Perl Mongers is to promote Perl, period. If you "must be this tall" to attend Perl Mongers, we'd be preaching to the choir. If you want to learn more about Perl or just learn whether or not Perl is really suitable for what you want to do, come join us. > BRIEF INTRO: I work for a translation company ("word mongers"?), managing > all file conversions & dbases created with/through Computer Aided > Translation Machinery (CATM) software Frankly, I think things like this are tailor made for Perl. Of course, depending upon what you really need, Perl may not be your best option. (sorry, people, but it pays off to be fair) > Is this a reason to attend? Should I wait for a "technical" meeting? Don't wait for a technical meeting. It's been my experience that they can often be over the head of people just starting out. Perhaps technical discussions aimed at basic Perl skills might be in order, depending upon the demand. There are actually two things you should be learning: 1. How to program Perl. 2. How to program well. Many, many programmers get one or the other, but not both. Good programming is considerably more complicated than simply knowing all of the functions and modules that are available. Books like "The Pragmatic Programmer" or "Code Complete" deal with issues like this. You can read http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=108286 for an overview of some of these issues. > Also, I had a couple of discussions with someone through this list about > hosting meetings at our house & that offer is most definitely still open. > Perhaps I should attend the "meeting" just to discuss that! =) Hey, that's awfully nice of you. I've convinced the owner of our company to occasionally host meetings and I'm sure a few other people can come up with places. Cheers, Curtis "Ovid" Poe PS: You can respond to the following question in a private email: where do I know you name from? Were you on the Lobster list? ===== Senior Programmer Onsite! Technology (http://www.onsitetech.com/) "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com TIMTOWTDI