From steve at purkis.ca  Mon Dec  5 06:40:32 2011
From: steve at purkis.ca (Steve Purkis)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:40:32 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
Message-ID: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>

Hi all,

I've recently moved back to Ottawa & am hoping to make the next social (Dec 20 @ Pub Italia).  It's nice to see Ottawa still has a thriving Perl community!  Hope to see you there...

Cheers,
-Steve Purkis
 (aka spurkis)


From champoux at pythian.com  Tue Dec  6 07:21:06 2011
From: champoux at pythian.com (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:21:06 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
In-Reply-To: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>
References: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>
Message-ID: <4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>

On 12/05/11 09:40, Steve Purkis wrote:
> I've recently moved back to Ottawa&  am hoping to make the next social (Dec 20 @ Pub Italia).

     We have a social at Pub Italia on the 20th? :-)

     You might have read a message from a previous year. But it's a good 
idea.  Anyone's for it?

     Also, Pub Italia is good, but if the peeps who think of coming are 
more west-endies like me, perhaps we should relocate to Bells Corners' 
Darcy McGee's?



>   It's nice to see Ottawa still has a thriving Perl community!  Hope to see you there...

     Well, it's less thriving than occasionally twitching, but it is 
still alive. :-)

Welcome back!
`/anick


-- 
Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
The Pythian Group - love your data
http://www.pythian.com

--
Pythian proud winner of Oracle North America Titan Award for Exadata Solution...watch the video on pythian.com


From thukral at pobox.com  Tue Dec  6 07:23:40 2011
From: thukral at pobox.com (Raj)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:23:40 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
In-Reply-To: <4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>
References: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>
	<4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+GzvZgWqP=9gT7rp1W9whLiDpocdC_5eBM5kVduECyFVL7CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Do it in BC and I might actually show up instead of just lurking on the list! :)


On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Yanick Champoux <champoux at pythian.com> wrote:
> On 12/05/11 09:40, Steve Purkis wrote:
>>
>> I've recently moved back to Ottawa& ?am hoping to make the next social
>> (Dec 20 @ Pub Italia).
>
>
> ? ?We have a social at Pub Italia on the 20th? :-)
>
> ? ?You might have read a message from a previous year. But it's a good idea.
> ?Anyone's for it?
>
> ? ?Also, Pub Italia is good, but if the peeps who think of coming are more
> west-endies like me, perhaps we should relocate to Bells Corners' Darcy
> McGee's?
>
>
>
>
>> ?It's nice to see Ottawa still has a thriving Perl community! ?Hope to see
>> you there...
>
>
> ? ?Well, it's less thriving than occasionally twitching, but it is still
> alive. :-)
>
> Welcome back!
> `/anick
>
>
> --
> Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
> The Pythian Group - love your data
> http://www.pythian.com
>
> --
> Pythian proud winner of Oracle North America Titan Award for Exadata
> Solution...watch the video on pythian.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ottawa-pm mailing list
> Ottawa-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/ottawa-pm

From clayton.scott at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 07:53:34 2011
From: clayton.scott at gmail.com (Clayton Scott)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
In-Reply-To: <CAF+GzvZgWqP=9gT7rp1W9whLiDpocdC_5eBM5kVduECyFVL7CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>
	<4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>
	<CAF+GzvZgWqP=9gT7rp1W9whLiDpocdC_5eBM5kVduECyFVL7CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADpYvkqPgETyyC6rRwc3L6_gQDjY_ZM0a89+BH+uXQiD2+H0Jw@mail.gmail.com>

Dec 20th sounds good to me. I'm fine with either the central or western
location.


Clayton

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Raj <thukral at pobox.com> wrote:

> Do it in BC and I might actually show up instead of just lurking on the
> list! :)
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Yanick Champoux <champoux at pythian.com>
> wrote:
> > On 12/05/11 09:40, Steve Purkis wrote:
> >>
> >> I've recently moved back to Ottawa&  am hoping to make the next social
> >> (Dec 20 @ Pub Italia).
> >
> >
> >    We have a social at Pub Italia on the 20th? :-)
> >
> >    You might have read a message from a previous year. But it's a good
> idea.
> >  Anyone's for it?
> >
> >    Also, Pub Italia is good, but if the peeps who think of coming are
> more
> > west-endies like me, perhaps we should relocate to Bells Corners' Darcy
> > McGee's?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>  It's nice to see Ottawa still has a thriving Perl community!  Hope to
> see
> >> you there...
> >
> >
> >    Well, it's less thriving than occasionally twitching, but it is still
> > alive. :-)
> >
> > Welcome back!
> > `/anick
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
> > The Pythian Group - love your data
> > http://www.pythian.com
> >
> > --
> > Pythian proud winner of Oracle North America Titan Award for Exadata
> > Solution...watch the video on pythian.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ottawa-pm mailing list
> > Ottawa-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/ottawa-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Ottawa-pm mailing list
> Ottawa-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/ottawa-pm
>



-- 

Clayton Scott
clayton.scott at gmail.com
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From allan.fields at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 08:11:38 2011
From: allan.fields at gmail.com (Allan Fields)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
In-Reply-To: <4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>
References: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>
	<4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>
Message-ID: <CAFsh96mo+6A=+RR_gEgroZXUaRTULMuLPnwdbxGm1hxO9qmg8Q@mail.gmail.com>

My take is that the Perl usage continues-on in the background, quietly
filling requirements.  There are lots of examples where Perl is still
being used by local companies.  But it doesn't get nearly the
promotion as Java platform. (*)  That's just the way things have gone.

Advocacy of the practical merits and applications are always
appreciated because they can demonstrate why organizations should
invest their time / resources in Perl.  This is not always obvious to
non-monger types.  (This equally applies to Python and non-Java 3rd
generation languages.)

Examples that I like (Use cases):
- Wikis
- Reporting and accounting scripts (administration)
- Monitoring (NAGIOS and like)
- Hosting / VPS - management panels, etc. (allot has moved to PHP however)
- Certificate management
- Mailing list and directory software

Virtualization and "cloud" tools: With new tools such as Powershell on
the Windows side, Perl can be justified due to it's ability to run on
*any* major platform including inside a management server.  Powershell
isn't exactly deficient feature-wise and works well with VMware, but
Perl APIs continue to permit for emerging Cloud applications and you
aren't tied to Windows, something that VMware had roped itself into
with VI3 and potential can get around using Java Spring framework for
their management tools.


(BTW, I am looking for Perl work ATM as my current contract is soon
over.  Please contact me if you know of a position or short term
contract.)


Thanks,
--
Allan Fields
Ottawa, Canada


On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Yanick Champoux <champoux at pythian.com> wrote:
> On 12/05/11 09:40, Steve Purkis wrote:
>>
>> I've recently moved back to Ottawa& ?am hoping to make the next social
>> (Dec 20 @ Pub Italia).
>
>
> ? ?We have a social at Pub Italia on the 20th? :-)
>
> ? ?You might have read a message from a previous year. But it's a good idea.
> ?Anyone's for it?
>
> ? ?Also, Pub Italia is good, but if the peeps who think of coming are more
> west-endies like me, perhaps we should relocate to Bells Corners' Darcy
> McGee's?
>
>
>
>
>> ?It's nice to see Ottawa still has a thriving Perl community! ?Hope to see
>> you there...
>
>
> ? ?Well, it's less thriving than occasionally twitching, but it is still
> alive. :-)
>
> Welcome back!
> `/anick
>
>
> --
> Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
> The Pythian Group - love your data
> http://www.pythian.com
>
> --
> Pythian proud winner of Oracle North America Titan Award for Exadata
> Solution...watch the video on pythian.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ottawa-pm mailing list
> Ottawa-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/ottawa-pm

From mark at mark.mielke.cc  Tue Dec  6 08:51:28 2011
From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 11:51:28 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
In-Reply-To: <CAFsh96mo+6A=+RR_gEgroZXUaRTULMuLPnwdbxGm1hxO9qmg8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>
	<4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>
	<CAFsh96mo+6A=+RR_gEgroZXUaRTULMuLPnwdbxGm1hxO9qmg8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDE4810.1080803@mark.mielke.cc>

To risk the wrath and charges of blasphemy:

This is because at its base, Perl is a scripting languages designed for 
systems and reporting tasks. It doesn't scale well to large projects for 
true definitions of large that take into account "teams of 100+ people" 
and "code base of 1 million lines or more".

Personally, I think Perl should stay in the background. It is successful 
here, and it will live on for years or likely decades in this form.

If people happen to be able to write larger projects in it in a way that 
they can support - great.

Personally, I am one of these Java people. Capabilities such as Eclipse, 
Sonar, and Maven are just too great to ignore. Perl does not compare 
(and shouldn't!) in my opinion.

Cheers,
mark


On 12/06/2011 11:11 AM, Allan Fields wrote:
> My take is that the Perl usage continues-on in the background, quietly
> filling requirements.  There are lots of examples where Perl is still
> being used by local companies.  But it doesn't get nearly the
> promotion as Java platform. (*)  That's just the way things have gone.
>
> Advocacy of the practical merits and applications are always
> appreciated because they can demonstrate why organizations should
> invest their time / resources in Perl.  This is not always obvious to
> non-monger types.  (This equally applies to Python and non-Java 3rd
> generation languages.)
>
> Examples that I like (Use cases):
> - Wikis
> - Reporting and accounting scripts (administration)
> - Monitoring (NAGIOS and like)
> - Hosting / VPS - management panels, etc. (allot has moved to PHP however)
> - Certificate management
> - Mailing list and directory software
>
> Virtualization and "cloud" tools: With new tools such as Powershell on
> the Windows side, Perl can be justified due to it's ability to run on
> *any* major platform including inside a management server.  Powershell
> isn't exactly deficient feature-wise and works well with VMware, but
> Perl APIs continue to permit for emerging Cloud applications and you
> aren't tied to Windows, something that VMware had roped itself into
> with VI3 and potential can get around using Java Spring framework for
> their management tools.
>
>
> (BTW, I am looking for Perl work ATM as my current contract is soon
> over.  Please contact me if you know of a position or short term
> contract.)
>
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Allan Fields
> Ottawa, Canada
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Yanick Champoux<champoux at pythian.com>  wrote:
>> On 12/05/11 09:40, Steve Purkis wrote:
>>> I've recently moved back to Ottawa&    am hoping to make the next social
>>> (Dec 20 @ Pub Italia).
>>
>>     We have a social at Pub Italia on the 20th? :-)
>>
>>     You might have read a message from a previous year. But it's a good idea.
>>   Anyone's for it?
>>
>>     Also, Pub Italia is good, but if the peeps who think of coming are more
>> west-endies like me, perhaps we should relocate to Bells Corners' Darcy
>> McGee's?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>   It's nice to see Ottawa still has a thriving Perl community!  Hope to see
>>> you there...
>>
>>     Well, it's less thriving than occasionally twitching, but it is still
>> alive. :-)
>>
>> Welcome back!
>> `/anick
>>
>>
>> --
>> Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
>> The Pythian Group - love your data
>> http://www.pythian.com
>>
>> --
>> Pythian proud winner of Oracle North America Titan Award for Exadata
>> Solution...watch the video on pythian.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ottawa-pm mailing list
>> Ottawa-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/ottawa-pm
> _______________________________________________
> Ottawa-pm mailing list
> Ottawa-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/ottawa-pm


-- 
Mark Mielke<mark at mielke.cc>


From yanick at babyl.dyndns.org  Tue Dec  6 17:51:50 2011
From: yanick at babyl.dyndns.org (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:51:50 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
In-Reply-To: <CADpYvkqPgETyyC6rRwc3L6_gQDjY_ZM0a89+BH+uXQiD2+H0Jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>	<4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>	<CAF+GzvZgWqP=9gT7rp1W9whLiDpocdC_5eBM5kVduECyFVL7CQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADpYvkqPgETyyC6rRwc3L6_gQDjY_ZM0a89+BH+uXQiD2+H0Jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDEC6B6.4060809@babyl.dyndns.org>

On 11-12-06 10:53 AM, Clayton Scott wrote:
> Dec 20th sounds good to me. I'm fine with either the central or western
> location.

	Well, so far, no-one who answered were against the west end, so I'm 
going to go mad with the power and declare:

	When: Tuesday Dec 20th, 19:00

	Where: Darcy McGee's, Bells Corners, Moodie x Robertson

	As the date approach, I'll reserve a table for whatever number of peeps 
would have chirped in by then.

	

Seasonal Joy,
`/anick

From mark at mark.mielke.cc  Tue Dec  6 23:48:32 2011
From: mark at mark.mielke.cc (Mark Mielke)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 02:48:32 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
In-Reply-To: <4EDEC6B6.4060809@babyl.dyndns.org>
References: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>	<4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>	<CAF+GzvZgWqP=9gT7rp1W9whLiDpocdC_5eBM5kVduECyFVL7CQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADpYvkqPgETyyC6rRwc3L6_gQDjY_ZM0a89+BH+uXQiD2+H0Jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDEC6B6.4060809@babyl.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4EDF1A50.5050900@mark.mielke.cc>

On 12/06/2011 08:51 PM, Yanick Champoux wrote:
>     Well, so far, no-one who answered were against the west end, so 
> I'm going to go mad with the power and declare:
>
>     When: Tuesday Dec 20th, 19:00
>
>     Where: Darcy McGee's, Bells Corners, Moodie x Robertson
>
>     As the date approach, I'll reserve a table for whatever number of 
> peeps would have chirped in by then.

You crazy.

I'm in.

-- 
Mark Mielke<mark at mielke.cc>


From steve at purkis.ca  Wed Dec  7 10:32:38 2011
From: steve at purkis.ca (Steve Purkis)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:32:38 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Dec social
In-Reply-To: <4EDF1A50.5050900@mark.mielke.cc>
References: <E67764E1-942A-4937-8E6C-2FBC9B6095F7@purkis.ca>	<4EDE32E2.8090302@pythian.com>	<CAF+GzvZgWqP=9gT7rp1W9whLiDpocdC_5eBM5kVduECyFVL7CQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADpYvkqPgETyyC6rRwc3L6_gQDjY_ZM0a89+BH+uXQiD2+H0Jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDEC6B6.4060809@babyl.dyndns.org>
	<4EDF1A50.5050900@mark.mielke.cc>
Message-ID: <07693675-B58D-4D3B-9FB6-AA8329907793@purkis.ca>

On 7 Dec 2011, at 02:48, Mark Mielke wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 08:51 PM, Yanick Champoux wrote:
>>    Well, so far, no-one who answered were against the west end, so I'm going to go mad with the power and declare:
>> 
>>    When: Tuesday Dec 20th, 19:00
>> 
>>    Where: Darcy McGee's, Bells Corners, Moodie x Robertson
>> 
>>    As the date approach, I'll reserve a table for whatever number of peeps would have chirped in by then.
> 
> You crazy.
> 
> I'm in.

Works for me to.  AFA numbers go, there may be two of me... :)

-Steve


From yanick at babyl.dyndns.org  Mon Dec 19 17:35:48 2011
From: yanick at babyl.dyndns.org (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:35:48 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Reminder: social tomorrow the 20th
Message-ID: <4EEFE674.1050107@babyl.dyndns.org>

At the Darcy McGee's in Bells Corners at around 7:00.

I'll reserve a table for ~ 6 peeps, and if somebody wants to show up and 
is not sure to be able to recognize us, I'll bring my stuffed camel. :-)

See you there!
`/anick

From champoux at pythian.com  Tue Dec 20 08:47:12 2011
From: champoux at pythian.com (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:47:12 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Reminder: social tomorrow the 20th
In-Reply-To: <4EEFE674.1050107@babyl.dyndns.org>
References: <4EEFE674.1050107@babyl.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4EF0BC10.4040701@pythian.com>

On 12/19/11 20:35, Yanick Champoux wrote:
> At the Darcy McGee's in Bells Corners at around 7:00.

     Reservation made for 6. And while I was thinking Xmas stuff, I 
totally forgot that it would be a game night tonight. Ooops. But we have 
our table.

See youses tonight,
`/anick

-- 
Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
The Pythian Group - love your data
http://www.pythian.com

--
Pythian proud winner of Oracle North America Titan Award for Exadata Solution...watch the video on pythian.com


From thukral at pobox.com  Tue Dec 20 08:59:43 2011
From: thukral at pobox.com (Raj)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:59:43 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Reminder: social tomorrow the 20th
In-Reply-To: <4EF0BC10.4040701@pythian.com>
References: <4EEFE674.1050107@babyl.dyndns.org> <4EF0BC10.4040701@pythian.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+Gzvab_-yKT82LRua60fcGnTrcEHH1PVj90T-y76hA7TtMdw@mail.gmail.com>

turns out I won't be able to make it after all.. sorry :(

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Yanick Champoux <champoux at pythian.com> wrote:
> On 12/19/11 20:35, Yanick Champoux wrote:
>>
>> At the Darcy McGee's in Bells Corners at around 7:00.
>
>
> ? ?Reservation made for 6. And while I was thinking Xmas stuff, I totally
> forgot that it would be a game night tonight. Ooops. But we have our table.
>
> See youses tonight,
> `/anick
>
> --
> Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
> The Pythian Group - love your data
> http://www.pythian.com
>
> --
> Pythian proud winner of Oracle North America Titan Award for Exadata
> Solution...watch the video on pythian.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ottawa-pm mailing list
> Ottawa-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/ottawa-pm

From allan.fields at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 09:33:37 2011
From: allan.fields at gmail.com (Allan Fields)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:33:37 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Perl6 Module Writers resources
Message-ID: <CAFsh96m+VEzmGX5OFXPsch68AjeDCKp-j=FHX6nj=7dts_o9Eg@mail.gmail.com>

The activity of composing modules has been well document for Perl5.
However, as a recent effort of mine, I have attempted to bring a Perl6
module to the point where it can be made use of by the Public.

I thought it would be neat to have a beginners kit for those who want
to give an attempt to release something under Perl6.

Here is a list of resources which I found useful for Perl6 module authorship:
  1. Tools: PANDA and ufo - ufo is used to auto-generate makefiles for
the Perl6 project and Panda is used to search for and retrieve modules
for perl6 (similar to CPAN).
  2. Tutorial: http://ttjjss.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/so-you-want-to-write-a-perl-6-module/
- explains the directory layout for Perl6 modules.
  3. Perl6 Modules Directory: http://modules.perl6.org/
  4. GITHUB (projects): Example - https://github.com/ihrd/uri - Github
hosted projects are used almost (if not) exclusively for pm6 at this
time - git command line tool can be made use of.  This is in contrast
to CPAN for perl5, which may change as Perl6 becomes mature.
  5. Documentation: http://www.perl6.org/documentation/,
http://www.pdfgeni.com/book/Perl-6-pdf.html

Tests work well.  And in the process of writing tests, I discovered
there is no fork() in Rakudo, but you can always use run() and qx//,
IMHO this is something that will mature with newer releases, as pugs
had it and eventually all the socket conventions of Perl5 will be made
available.  It will be neat to document the client-server testing
strategy, any links are appreciated.

My evaluation platform has used:
   Rakudo Perl 6, version 2011.07 built on parrot 3.6.0 0
I may soon track the git releases if time permits.


Thanks,
    Allan Fields <allan.fields at gmail.com>

From steve at purkis.ca  Tue Dec 20 14:36:33 2011
From: steve at purkis.ca (Steve Purkis)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:36:33 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Reminder: social tomorrow the 20th
In-Reply-To: <4EF0BC10.4040701@pythian.com>
References: <4EEFE674.1050107@babyl.dyndns.org> <4EF0BC10.4040701@pythian.com>
Message-ID: <E8691A7A-13BF-4886-B957-A77ACBDC28F8@purkis.ca>

On 20 Dec 2011, at 11:47, Yanick Champoux <champoux at pythian.com> wrote:

> On 12/19/11 20:35, Yanick Champoux wrote:
>> At the Darcy McGee's in Bells Corners at around 7:00.
> 
>    Reservation made for 6. And while I was thinking Xmas stuff, I totally forgot that it would be a game night tonight. Ooops. But we have our table.

I'll be there by 7.

+--
 Steve Purkis

From allan.fields at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 14:47:10 2011
From: allan.fields at gmail.com (Allan Fields)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:47:10 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Reminder: social tomorrow the 20th
In-Reply-To: <E8691A7A-13BF-4886-B957-A77ACBDC28F8@purkis.ca>
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I plan to attend.
-AF

On 12/20/11, Steve Purkis <steve at purkis.ca> wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2011, at 11:47, Yanick Champoux <champoux at pythian.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/19/11 20:35, Yanick Champoux wrote:
>>> At the Darcy McGee's in Bells Corners at around 7:00.
>>
>>    Reservation made for 6. And while I was thinking Xmas stuff, I totally
>> forgot that it would be a game night tonight. Ooops. But we have our
>> table.
>
> I'll be there by 7.
>
> +--
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From champoux at pythian.com  Tue Dec 20 15:18:25 2011
From: champoux at pythian.com (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] Reminder: social tomorrow the 20th
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> 
> I'll be there by 7.
> 

Excellent.  With Allan, our body count is back at 6. :-)

See you at 7!

Yanick
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From champoux at pythian.com  Wed Dec 21 07:03:39 2011
From: champoux at pythian.com (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] follow-up links on yesterday's topics
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     Just before I forget:

     * Stevan Little's Jackalope: https://github.com/stevan/Jackalope  
(very alpha, REST framework)

     * Prince: http://www.princexml.com/  Convert XML into pdf using 
extended CSS rules. Not free, but give pretty decent results.


     And, Allan, if you ever feel like publishing your Perl6 framework 
on, say, GitHub, give us a shout. As I said yesterday, to be able to 
concretely work with something Perl 6 is one of the things that I'm 
waiting for to dip my toe in the language. :-)


Joy,
`/anick


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From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Wed Dec 21 07:26:46 2011
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:26:46 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] follow-up links on yesterday's topics
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Message-ID: <20111221152646.GB2968@digitaltorque.ca>

On 21/12/11 Yanick Champoux said:

>     And, Allan, if you ever feel like publishing your Perl6
> framework on, say, GitHub, give us a shout. As I said yesterday, to
> be able to concretely work with something Perl 6 is one of the
> things that I'm waiting for to dip my toe in the language. :-)

There's a perl 6?

/me ducks

From champoux at pythian.com  Wed Dec 21 07:40:46 2011
From: champoux at pythian.com (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] follow-up links on yesterday's topics
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On 12/21/11 10:26, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> There's a perl 6?

     The fact that a jackalope was in the same email and wasn't pointed 
out make it even worse. :-)

Joy,
`/anick

-- 
Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
The Pythian Group - love your data
http://www.pythian.com


From allan.fields at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 10:21:27 2011
From: allan.fields at gmail.com (Allan Fields)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] follow-up links on yesterday's topics
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Thanks for the links..
It is my intent to keep the list updated as anything new Perl5/Perl6 comes-up.

Thanks,
    Allan Fields

On 12/21/11, Yanick Champoux <champoux at pythian.com> wrote:
>
>      Just before I forget:
>
>      * Stevan Little's Jackalope: https://github.com/stevan/Jackalope
> (very alpha, REST framework)
>
>      * Prince: http://www.princexml.com/  Convert XML into pdf using
> extended CSS rules. Not free, but give pretty decent results.
>
>
>      And, Allan, if you ever feel like publishing your Perl6 framework
> on, say, GitHub, give us a shout. As I said yesterday, to be able to
> concretely work with something Perl 6 is one of the things that I'm
> waiting for to dip my toe in the language. :-)
>
>
> Joy,
> `/anick
>
>
> --
> Yanick Champoux, Senior Perl Developer
> The Pythian Group - love your data
> http://www.pythian.com
>
> --
> Pythian proud winner of Oracle North America Titan Award for Exadata
> Solution...watch the video on pythian.com
>
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>

From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Fri Dec 23 15:51:36 2011
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:51:36 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] virtualenv equivalent
Message-ID: <20111223235136.GA31164@digitaltorque.ca>

Hi,

I'm playing with Mojolicious, and I want to ensure that it's installed locally
and without root access. Quite wonderfully I did find that it installed
automatically to ~/perl5 when I ran the installer as my unprivileged user
(cpan module feature?), but I'm used to having multiple compartmentalized
environments in Python via virtualenv.

Now, I found local::lib but it just ain't the same. Does anyone know of a good
way to have multiple different module snapshots for different environments in
Perl?

Cheers,
Mike
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From yanick at babyl.dyndns.org  Fri Dec 23 17:38:34 2011
From: yanick at babyl.dyndns.org (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] virtualenv equivalent
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On 11-12-23 06:51 PM, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> Now, I found local::lib but it just ain't the same. Does anyone know of a good
> way to have multiple different module snapshots for different environments in
> Perl?

	If you want them truly segregated, perlbrew (App::perlbrew) is a great 
tool.

	But if you just want to have different groups of modules, local::lib 
should do what you want. Can you elaborate on how it "just ain't the 
same" than virtualenv (I never used virtualenv before, so I wouldn't know)?

Joy,
`/anick

From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Fri Dec 23 18:44:16 2011
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] virtualenv equivalent
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On 23/12/11 Yanick Champoux said:

> 	If you want them truly segregated, perlbrew (App::perlbrew) is a
> great tool.

Must look into it then.

> 	But if you just want to have different groups of modules,
> local::lib should do what you want. Can you elaborate on how it
> "just ain't the same" than virtualenv (I never used virtualenv
> before, so I wouldn't know)?

I want a tool that allows me to essentially set up a new shell with a new
environment without any modification of my code. virtualenv permits a custom
interpreter with custom modules, and I'm hoping that I can find something
similar.

With my modules at ~/perl5, this does most of what I want...

msoulier at egor:/home/msoulier$ cat mojoenv.sh 
ORIGPATH=$PATH
ORIGPS1=$PS1

deactivate() {
    export PATH=$ORIGPATH
    export PS1=$ORIGPS1
}
    
export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/perl5/bin
export PERL5LIB=$HOME/perl5/lib/perl5
export PS1="(mojo)$PS1"

now I just need to easily install modules at each needed subdirectory, like
~/envs/client1 ~/envs/client2, etc...

Anyway, some cool stuff in Mojolicious::Lite. I just shipped a website in one
file. Not necessarily a good thing for large projects, but for small ones it's
kinda cool. Even base64-encoded images inline.

Mike
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From yanick at babyl.dyndns.org  Sat Dec 24 10:03:02 2011
From: yanick at babyl.dyndns.org (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 13:03:02 -0500
Subject: [Ottawa-pm] virtualenv equivalent
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On 11-12-23 09:44 PM, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> I want a tool that allows me to essentially set up a new shell with a new
> environment without any modification of my code. virtualenv permits a custom
> interpreter with custom modules, and I'm hoping that I can find something
> similar.

	From what I hear, perlbrew is pretty much what you want. It builds and 
manages for you many perls. So you can have as many version of perl, and 
as many different environment, as your heart wishes, and all you need to 
switch from one to the other is 'perlbrew switch dev-5.14.0' and, hop, 
magic happens.

> Anyway, some cool stuff in Mojolicious::Lite. I just shipped a website in one
> file. Not necessarily a good thing for large projects, but for small ones it's
> kinda cool. Even base64-encoded images inline.

	Sweet. Mojolicious is the big framework I haven't played with, yet. 
Nowaday I'm more having fun with Dancer and Catalyst. But... we should 
compare notes, one of these days. :-)

Joy (and merry Xmas),
`/anick