From jay at jays.net  Tue Oct 21 15:35:23 2014
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:35:23 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Worlogog::Restart
Message-ID: <E94B4073-51AC-4C29-B1C9-DE1B5B53ABF8@jays.net>

You got Lisp in my Perl!

https://metacpan.org/pod/Worlogog::Restart

j






From jay at jays.net  Tue Oct 21 15:41:04 2014
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Try::Tiny declared Uncool
Message-ID: <49C20090-BCA0-4318-8953-D7763DDD2C20@jays.net>

Did you know https://metacpan.org/pod/Try::Tiny is Uncool?

Apparently the Cool thing now is:

  eval { ... ; 1 } || do { ... };

Apparently Catalyst6 is threatening to move to that pattern.

Are we having fun yet?  :)

j







From tedkat at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 06:42:40 2014
From: tedkat at gmail.com (Theodore Katseres)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Try::Tiny declared Uncool
In-Reply-To: <49C20090-BCA0-4318-8953-D7763DDD2C20@jays.net>
References: <49C20090-BCA0-4318-8953-D7763DDD2C20@jays.net>
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:

> Did you know https://metacpan.org/pod/Try::Tiny is Uncool?
>
> Apparently the Cool thing now is:
>
>   eval { ... ; 1 } || do { ... };
>
> Apparently Catalyst6 is threatening to move to that pattern.
>
> Are we having fun yet?  :)
>
> j
>

Where is the finally block pattern?

Is this an attempt to make Catalyst6    ::Tiny?

-Ted
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From jay at jays.net  Wed Oct 22 09:22:32 2014
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 11:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Try::Tiny declared Uncool
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On Oct 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Theodore Katseres <tedkat at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
>> Apparently the Cool thing now is:
>> 
>>   eval { ... ; 1 } || do { ... };
> 

> Where is the finally block pattern? 

It's not Cool I guess?  :)

>> Apparently Catalyst6 is threatening to move to that pattern.
> 
> Is this an attempt to make Catalyst6    ::Tiny? 

Exactly the opposite. Current Catalyst uses Try::Tiny like crazy, and they're threatening to stop.

Try::Tiny is WAY more code than simply using the eval pattern above.  :)

j







From jay.hannah at iinteractive.com  Wed Oct 22 09:52:02 2014
From: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 11:52:02 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Indirect object syntax BAD
Message-ID: <25C11548-8111-47E0-9E51-B05FDB8D8F70@iinteractive.com>

Recapping in case you don't follow the same folks I (@deafferret) do on Twitter:

Bad:  my $obj = new Foo;

Good: my $obj = Foo->new;

Why?
   http://markmail.org/message/vooz7qqlm6b23hy7#query:+page:1+mid:o7d5sxnydya7bwvv+state:results

:)

j






From sterling at hanenkamp.com  Wed Oct 22 13:28:02 2014
From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Sterling Hanenkamp)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Try::Tiny declared Uncool
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References: <49C20090-BCA0-4318-8953-D7763DDD2C20@jays.net>
Message-ID: <CAEeqgL=P7x5ygFY10xOGj01BSn5rMsNjHmU+WakyNpHpeM3u5w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:

> Did you know https://metacpan.org/pod/Try::Tiny is Uncool?
>
> Apparently the Cool thing now is:
>
>   eval { ... ; 1 } || do { ... };
>
> Apparently Catalyst6 is threatening to move to that pattern.
>

Why? What's the proposed reason for the change?


>
> Are we having fun yet?  :)
>
> j
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jay at jays.net  Wed Oct 22 17:05:47 2014
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:05:47 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Try::Tiny declared Uncool
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On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp <sterling at hanenkamp.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
>> Apparently Catalyst6 is threatening to move to that pattern.
> Why? What's the proposed reason for the change?

One less dependency, simpler to not use Try::Tiny when apparently

   eval { ... ; 1 } || do { ... };

covers all the cases that prompted the adoption of Try::Tiny into Catalyst.

j






From sterling at hanenkamp.com  Wed Oct 22 19:11:46 2014
From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Sterling Hanenkamp)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Try::Tiny declared Uncool
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References: <49C20090-BCA0-4318-8953-D7763DDD2C20@jays.net>
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The latter argument makes some sense, though I can see that being an idiom
easily mistyped.

The first argument, though, when Catalyst already depends on the whole of
CPAN doesn't make any sense to me unless they are eliminating a very large
number of the other 12,388,473 dependencies (that's only a *slight*
exaggeration).

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:

> On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp <sterling at hanenkamp.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
> >> Apparently Catalyst6 is threatening to move to that pattern.
> > Why? What's the proposed reason for the change?
>
> One less dependency, simpler to not use Try::Tiny when apparently
>
>    eval { ... ; 1 } || do { ... };
>
> covers all the cases that prompted the adoption of Try::Tiny into Catalyst.
>
> j
>
>
>
>
>
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