From jay.hannah at iinteractive.com Tue Nov 6 12:16:29 2012 From: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com (Jay Hannah) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:16:29 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] On FaceBook Message-ID: Huh. We only have 36 people over on FaceBook... Join our group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/249545298491406/ :) j From jay at jays.net Fri Nov 9 08:58:46 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:58:46 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] github repo renamed Message-ID: <2E5AD73E-5CD0-4E12-A52C-FA6BD0DC8D21@jays.net> Howdy. I'm shuffling website hosting around. I renamed our repo: https://github.com/jhannah/odlug.org So if you have a clone: git remote rm origin git remote add origin git at github.com:jhannah/odlug.org Thanks, j From jay.hannah at iinteractive.com Fri Nov 9 11:23:15 2012 From: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com (Jay Hannah) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:23:15 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] website 2003 Message-ID: Whoah... http://omaha.pm.jays.net/www/2003/old_website/ Anyone remember who the previous leader was? j From evad19 at radiks.net Fri Nov 9 15:15:03 2012 From: evad19 at radiks.net (evad19 at radiks.net) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:15:03 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] website 2003 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20121109171503.015db008@pop.radiks.net> At 01:23 PM 11/9/2012 -0600, you wrote: > http://omaha.pm.jays.net/www/2003/old_website/ > >Anyone remember who the previous leader was? > No, but if the list is still there and you can find the password, I can help you get the archives. -Sidney From dan at linder.org Fri Nov 9 20:54:35 2012 From: dan at linder.org (Dan Linder) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 22:54:35 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] website 2003 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20121109171503.015db008@pop.radiks.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20121109171503.015db008@pop.radiks.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM, wrote: > No, but if the list is still there and you can find the password, I can > help you get the archives. > Hmm, try these: "perl"..."Perl"..."PerlRules"..."PerlRules!"..."password1"... :-) Dan -- ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** ** "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" 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I'll pitch it to you guys tomorrow. I can also present / breeze through an Intro to Open Source in Bioinformatics presentation I gave at PKI a couple weeks ago if there's any interest. Other volunteers? See you tomorrow night! http://rvtr.org Thanks, Jay Hannah Project Lead / Programmer http://www.iinteractive.com Email: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com AOL IM: deafferret Mobile: 1.402.598.7782 Fax: 1.402.691.9496 From jay at jays.net Tue Nov 13 06:46:04 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:46:04 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] [odynug] Meeting tomorrow (Tue) night 7pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <274E4521-F535-4D75-8158-6BA99E09C1E2@jays.net> On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Sam Flint wrote: > Ustream it please. I don't have good equipment for that. Ryan: Is techomaha.com coming? :) j From jay at jays.net Tue Nov 13 07:40:29 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:40:29 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] [odynug] Meeting tomorrow (Tue) night 7pm In-Reply-To: References: <274E4521-F535-4D75-8158-6BA99E09C1E2@jays.net> Message-ID: <4B48F994-EC88-4CFF-8C6A-0A9ACECFE970@jays.net> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Ryan Stille wrote: > It's hard (impossible?) to see a technical presentation through a streaming service. We're usually looking at code, instead of large-text bullet points. The resolution just isn't high enough. > > One time I accidentally recorded in 720p, instead of 1080p. I could definitely notice a difference, the text was harder to read. I think the streaming services are much lower res than 720p. My first brief presentation tonight will be very talky, no reading involved. (Or perhaps some reading at a single URL.) Not yet unveiled My second presentation tonight is already online, so people could follow along at home if they wanted: Open source Bioinformatics http://prezi.com/fdqw8b-tkihc/open-source-in-bioinformatics/ I'm happy to share the stage with any volunteers. j From jay at jays.net Tue Nov 13 08:53:09 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:53:09 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] [odynug] Meeting tomorrow (Tue) night 7pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Jay Hannah wrote: > See you tomorrow night! > > http://rvtr.org Ha! Whoops! I linked you to the wrong hobby. Nobody yelled at me. :) http://odlug.org j From jay.hannah at iinteractive.com Tue Nov 13 13:08:34 2012 From: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com (Jay Hannah) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:08:34 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] Parking pass for tonight Message-ID: <458580D1-3B6B-44A1-BF01-0D07B1254650@iinteractive.com> Please print one of whichever format you prefer and leave it on your dash. 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Lurkfully yours, Nic On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Jay Hannah wrote: > > Come on over (around the corner)!! > > j > 402-598-7782 > > > > -- > http://odlug.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Omaha Dynamic Language User Group" group. > To post to this group, send email to odynug at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to odynug+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/odynug?hl=en-US. > > From jay at jays.net Wed Nov 14 08:35:47 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:35:47 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] ROOM CHANGE: 157 In-Reply-To: <37734C73-F178-4E48-97E9-2064251CE531@gmail.com> References: <19353268-342D-4D30-9CA7-1D78B7A93DB6@iinteractive.com> <37734C73-F178-4E48-97E9-2064251CE531@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E304F87-4BBE-4DE0-9B08-2458E9CDDDA7@jays.net> On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:24 PM, nic seltzer wrote: > Is there any plan to stream the meeting via UStream? No, sorry. But Ryan will probably post it to techomaha.com soonish. :) j From jay at jays.net Wed Nov 14 08:37:16 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:37:16 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] http://PleaseConvince.Me/ Message-ID: <6A6C97AA-2A47-4B84-B11B-44ABCF4E7091@jays.net> Last night was my "grand" unveiling: http://PleaseConvince.Me/ Ping me in github for Collab if you'd like to help. Thanks, j From jay at jays.net Mon Nov 26 18:37:23 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:37:23 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] perl In-Reply-To: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> References: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> Message-ID: On Nov 26, 2012, at 2:43 PM, "Klinkebiel, David L" wrote: > I am truly going to finally start learning how to program in perl. Excellent! :) > I will be using my home laptop to begin the process since I will be using my free time this winter to try and teach myself. I currently have Strawberry perl on that computer and it is functional, however have ran into various articles talking about using Eclipse/EPIC, Active State perl editor to better improve my odds. My plan is to uninstall Strawberry perl and install Active State. Then install Eclipse/EPIC that requires Java to be initially installed to function. I don't use Windows so I don't use Strawberry nor Active State. I don't use Eclipse/EPIC, or any other fancy "rapid development environment." If you do want to use a fancy (fat/heavyweight) editor, you might also/alternatively try these: http://padre.perlide.org/ http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide I ssh to Linux servers (usually Debian) or develop locally on OS X (Mac) and use the "vim" text editor. On Windows I use Notepad. I'm old school. :) If I were you I'd either boot my laptop as Linux, or buy a cheap PC and install Debian on it. If you don't want to buy a separate PC, you could buy a dedicated "plug computer" with Debian on it: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html I've never done that, but it looks cool. :) Some people do use Perl on Windows, but it's not common, especially in bioinformatics. > My problem is that I do not have internet at home unless I tether to my cell phone and I have only limited data. Therefore I want all of the functional software to not require connection to the internet to work. The biggest problem you'll have there is that most Perl things tend to require software from CPAN, which usually lives on the Internet. Once you have all the software you need working offline is easy, but you're likely to hit new requirements as you develop things. You could, I suppose, try to get all your dependencies at work each day before you go home. There are ways for you to take chunks of CPAN home with you on a USB drive, but that requires a lot of non-default monkeying to get working. Even then you kind of need to know what you're going to want. :) > I do not know if Java has to be linked to a web site to function as I have downloaded supposable stand alone installer file. Once you install Java on your Windows or Debian workstation/server once, you should be fine. > My question, is this the best approach or is there another way. I have been collecting books and pdf files about perl and various example scripts to start reading. Thanks The process of learning Perl should all work fine on Windows. It's when you start using BioPerl or other software packages with requirement trees that things might get dicey. Windows tends to be an after thought or not supported at all in the Perl-adjacent bioinformatics stack. Note: As a guy who always uses Linux (or OS X), my perspective might be skewed / wrong. :) I hope that helped. I cc'd the Omaha Perl Mongers group in case other people have thoughts / corrections for you. Good luck! I'm happy to help, call me anytime. j 402-598-7782 From jay at jays.net Mon Nov 26 18:47:28 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:47:28 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] perl In-Reply-To: References: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> Message-ID: <01300705-5FEF-4AF8-901D-3A5FC9A55DBB@jays.net> On Nov 26, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jay Hannah wrote: > or buy a cheap PC and install Debian on it. Huh... 4GB RAM, 500GB hard drive for $450. Is that a good deal? http://zareason.com/shop/AMD-Breeze-3440.html 7 choices of Linux pre-installed. :) j From harmonicnm7h at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 20:15:51 2012 From: harmonicnm7h at gmail.com (Sam Flint) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:15:51 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] perl In-Reply-To: <01300705-5FEF-4AF8-901D-3A5FC9A55DBB@jays.net> References: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> <01300705-5FEF-4AF8-901D-3A5FC9A55DBB@jays.net> Message-ID: Fedora, Emacs w/cperl-mode, and spend time on perlmonks On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Jay Hannah wrote: > On Nov 26, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Jay Hannah wrote: > > or buy a cheap PC and install Debian on it. > > Huh... 4GB RAM, 500GB hard drive for $450. Is that a good deal? > > http://zareason.com/shop/AMD-Breeze-3440.html > > 7 choices of Linux pre-installed. :) > > j > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Omaha-pm mailing list > Omaha-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm > -- Sam Flint flintfam.org/~swflint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay at jays.net Tue Nov 27 10:05:54 2012 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:05:54 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] perl In-Reply-To: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C79121F@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> References: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C79121F@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> Message-ID: <5128544B-D8E1-4FF9-96CF-8E32EBB8BBF3@jays.net> On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:35 AM, "Klinkebiel, David L" wrote: > After considering everything I think I will leave my Strawberry perl on my laptop and use it for initial learning, etc. and use a text editor like TextPad/Notepad I have already installed to write scripts and forget the fancy editors which require another learning curve. Sounds like a plan. > Once I develop scripts I plan to run them on the UNIX server here on campus anyway which will take care of any add ins needed. -nod- You might find your development efforts hindered if your development environment is missing bits. But you can always see how it goes and adjust as needed. > Have you ever known of anybody using a tablet computer to write scripts or even run perl. I see that Microsoft is going to release the Surface Windows 8 Pro that will be able to handle scripting languages like perl, Python etc. Thanks again for the info. I will probably evolve through this process. I know a couple developers who do all their development from an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard -- but they're merely using the tablet to ssh TO Linux servers and develop there. I've not heard of anyone actually doing development ON a tablet. Any tablet with a keyboard (iOS (iPad), Android, Windows) should be fine for ssh'ing to a development server. I hope that helps, j From wertnick at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 10:34:45 2012 From: wertnick at gmail.com (Nick Wertzberger) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:34:45 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] perl In-Reply-To: References: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> Message-ID: Cygwin is a decent Linux alternative On Nov 26, 2012 8:37 PM, "Jay Hannah" wrote: > On Nov 26, 2012, at 2:43 PM, "Klinkebiel, David L" > wrote: > > I am truly going to finally start learning how to program in perl. > > Excellent! :) > > > I will be using my home laptop to begin the process since I will be > using my free time this winter to try and teach myself. I currently have > Strawberry perl on that computer and it is functional, however have ran > into various articles talking about using Eclipse/EPIC, Active State perl > editor to better improve my odds. My plan is to uninstall Strawberry perl > and install Active State. Then install Eclipse/EPIC that requires Java to > be initially installed to function. > > I don't use Windows so I don't use Strawberry nor Active State. I don't > use Eclipse/EPIC, or any other fancy "rapid development environment." If > you do want to use a fancy (fat/heavyweight) editor, you might > also/alternatively try these: > > http://padre.perlide.org/ > http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide > > I ssh to Linux servers (usually Debian) or develop locally on OS X (Mac) > and use the "vim" text editor. On Windows I use Notepad. I'm old school. :) > > If I were you I'd either boot my laptop as Linux, or buy a cheap PC and > install Debian on it. If you don't want to buy a separate PC, you could buy > a dedicated "plug computer" with Debian on it: > > http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html > > I've never done that, but it looks cool. :) > > Some people do use Perl on Windows, but it's not common, especially in > bioinformatics. > > > My problem is that I do not have internet at home unless I tether to my > cell phone and I have only limited data. Therefore I want all of the > functional software to not require connection to the internet to work. > > The biggest problem you'll have there is that most Perl things tend to > require software from CPAN, which usually lives on the Internet. Once you > have all the software you need working offline is easy, but you're likely > to hit new requirements as you develop things. You could, I suppose, try to > get all your dependencies at work each day before you go home. > > There are ways for you to take chunks of CPAN home with you on a USB > drive, but that requires a lot of non-default monkeying to get working. > Even then you kind of need to know what you're going to want. :) > > > I do not know if Java has to be linked to a web site to function as I > have downloaded supposable stand alone installer file. > > Once you install Java on your Windows or Debian workstation/server once, > you should be fine. > > > My question, is this the best approach or is there another way. I have > been collecting books and pdf files about perl and various example scripts > to start reading. Thanks > > The process of learning Perl should all work fine on Windows. It's when > you start using BioPerl or other software packages with requirement trees > that things might get dicey. Windows tends to be an after thought or not > supported at all in the Perl-adjacent bioinformatics stack. > > Note: As a guy who always uses Linux (or OS X), my perspective might be > skewed / wrong. :) > > I hope that helped. I cc'd the Omaha Perl Mongers group in case other > people have thoughts / corrections for you. > > Good luck! I'm happy to help, call me anytime. > > j > 402-598-7782 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Omaha-pm mailing list > Omaha-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harmonicnm7h at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 12:20:19 2012 From: harmonicnm7h at gmail.com (Sam Flint) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:20:19 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] perl In-Reply-To: References: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> Message-ID: That's debatable nick. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Nick Wertzberger wrote: > Cygwin is a decent Linux alternative > On Nov 26, 2012 8:37 PM, "Jay Hannah" wrote: > >> On Nov 26, 2012, at 2:43 PM, "Klinkebiel, David L" >> wrote: >> > I am truly going to finally start learning how to program in perl. >> >> Excellent! :) >> >> > I will be using my home laptop to begin the process since I will be >> using my free time this winter to try and teach myself. I currently have >> Strawberry perl on that computer and it is functional, however have ran >> into various articles talking about using Eclipse/EPIC, Active State perl >> editor to better improve my odds. My plan is to uninstall Strawberry perl >> and install Active State. Then install Eclipse/EPIC that requires Java to >> be initially installed to function. >> >> I don't use Windows so I don't use Strawberry nor Active State. I don't >> use Eclipse/EPIC, or any other fancy "rapid development environment." If >> you do want to use a fancy (fat/heavyweight) editor, you might >> also/alternatively try these: >> >> http://padre.perlide.org/ >> http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide >> >> I ssh to Linux servers (usually Debian) or develop locally on OS X (Mac) >> and use the "vim" text editor. On Windows I use Notepad. I'm old school. :) >> >> If I were you I'd either boot my laptop as Linux, or buy a cheap PC and >> install Debian on it. If you don't want to buy a separate PC, you could buy >> a dedicated "plug computer" with Debian on it: >> >> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html >> >> I've never done that, but it looks cool. :) >> >> Some people do use Perl on Windows, but it's not common, especially in >> bioinformatics. >> >> > My problem is that I do not have internet at home unless I tether to my >> cell phone and I have only limited data. Therefore I want all of the >> functional software to not require connection to the internet to work. >> >> The biggest problem you'll have there is that most Perl things tend to >> require software from CPAN, which usually lives on the Internet. Once you >> have all the software you need working offline is easy, but you're likely >> to hit new requirements as you develop things. You could, I suppose, try to >> get all your dependencies at work each day before you go home. >> >> There are ways for you to take chunks of CPAN home with you on a USB >> drive, but that requires a lot of non-default monkeying to get working. >> Even then you kind of need to know what you're going to want. :) >> >> > I do not know if Java has to be linked to a web site to function as I >> have downloaded supposable stand alone installer file. >> >> Once you install Java on your Windows or Debian workstation/server once, >> you should be fine. >> >> > My question, is this the best approach or is there another way. I have >> been collecting books and pdf files about perl and various example scripts >> to start reading. Thanks >> >> The process of learning Perl should all work fine on Windows. It's when >> you start using BioPerl or other software packages with requirement trees >> that things might get dicey. Windows tends to be an after thought or not >> supported at all in the Perl-adjacent bioinformatics stack. >> >> Note: As a guy who always uses Linux (or OS X), my perspective might be >> skewed / wrong. :) >> >> I hope that helped. I cc'd the Omaha Perl Mongers group in case other >> people have thoughts / corrections for you. >> >> Good luck! I'm happy to help, call me anytime. >> >> j >> 402-598-7782 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Omaha-pm mailing list >> Omaha-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm >> > > _______________________________________________ > Omaha-pm mailing list > Omaha-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm > -- Sam Flint flintfam.org/~swflint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay Hannah Project Lead / Programmer http://www.iinteractive.com Email: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com From wertnick at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 18:20:44 2012 From: wertnick at gmail.com (Nick Wertzberger) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:20:44 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] perl In-Reply-To: References: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> Message-ID: Cygpath issues aside, it aint bad On Nov 27, 2012 2:20 PM, "Sam Flint" wrote: > > That's debatable nick. > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Nick Wertzberger wrote: >> >> Cygwin is a decent Linux alternative >> >> On Nov 26, 2012 8:37 PM, "Jay Hannah" wrote: >>> >>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 2:43 PM, "Klinkebiel, David L" wrote: >>> > I am truly going to finally start learning how to program in perl. >>> >>> Excellent! :) >>> >>> > I will be using my home laptop to begin the process since I will be using my free time this winter to try and teach myself. I currently have Strawberry perl on that computer and it is functional, however have ran into various articles talking about using Eclipse/EPIC, Active State perl editor to better improve my odds. My plan is to uninstall Strawberry perl and install Active State. Then install Eclipse/EPIC that requires Java to be initially installed to function. >>> >>> I don't use Windows so I don't use Strawberry nor Active State. I don't use Eclipse/EPIC, or any other fancy "rapid development environment." If you do want to use a fancy (fat/heavyweight) editor, you might also/alternatively try these: >>> >>> http://padre.perlide.org/ >>> http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide >>> >>> I ssh to Linux servers (usually Debian) or develop locally on OS X (Mac) and use the "vim" text editor. On Windows I use Notepad. I'm old school. :) >>> >>> If I were you I'd either boot my laptop as Linux, or buy a cheap PC and install Debian on it. If you don't want to buy a separate PC, you could buy a dedicated "plug computer" with Debian on it: >>> >>> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html >>> >>> I've never done that, but it looks cool. :) >>> >>> Some people do use Perl on Windows, but it's not common, especially in bioinformatics. >>> >>> > My problem is that I do not have internet at home unless I tether to my cell phone and I have only limited data. Therefore I want all of the functional software to not require connection to the internet to work. >>> >>> The biggest problem you'll have there is that most Perl things tend to require software from CPAN, which usually lives on the Internet. Once you have all the software you need working offline is easy, but you're likely to hit new requirements as you develop things. You could, I suppose, try to get all your dependencies at work each day before you go home. >>> >>> There are ways for you to take chunks of CPAN home with you on a USB drive, but that requires a lot of non-default monkeying to get working. Even then you kind of need to know what you're going to want. :) >>> >>> > I do not know if Java has to be linked to a web site to function as I have downloaded supposable stand alone installer file. >>> >>> Once you install Java on your Windows or Debian workstation/server once, you should be fine. >>> >>> > My question, is this the best approach or is there another way. I have been collecting books and pdf files about perl and various example scripts to start reading. Thanks >>> >>> The process of learning Perl should all work fine on Windows. It's when you start using BioPerl or other software packages with requirement trees that things might get dicey. Windows tends to be an after thought or not supported at all in the Perl-adjacent bioinformatics stack. >>> >>> Note: As a guy who always uses Linux (or OS X), my perspective might be skewed / wrong. :) >>> >>> I hope that helped. I cc'd the Omaha Perl Mongers group in case other people have thoughts / corrections for you. >>> >>> Good luck! I'm happy to help, call me anytime. >>> >>> j >>> 402-598-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Omaha-pm mailing list >>> Omaha-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Omaha-pm mailing list >> Omaha-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm > > > > > -- > Sam Flint > flintfam.org/~swflint > > _______________________________________________ > Omaha-pm mailing list > Omaha-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harmonicnm7h at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 06:45:25 2012 From: harmonicnm7h at gmail.com (Sam Flint) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:45:25 -0600 Subject: [Omaha.pm] perl In-Reply-To: References: <607D2C540290E145B8954496E57431FD1C78F0AC@UNMCEX1.unmcresforest.org> Message-ID: I'm stuck on windows for some things, and the only cygwin i use is from msysgit, and that doesn't have too many issues. Sam On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Nick Wertzberger wrote: > Cygpath issues aside, it aint bad > > On Nov 27, 2012 2:20 PM, "Sam Flint" wrote: > > > > That's debatable nick. > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Nick Wertzberger > wrote: > >> > >> Cygwin is a decent Linux alternative > >> > >> On Nov 26, 2012 8:37 PM, "Jay Hannah" wrote: > >>> > >>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 2:43 PM, "Klinkebiel, David L" < > dklinkebiel at unmc.edu> wrote: > >>> > I am truly going to finally start learning how to program in perl. > >>> > >>> Excellent! :) > >>> > >>> > I will be using my home laptop to begin the process since I will be > using my free time this winter to try and teach myself. I currently have > Strawberry perl on that computer and it is functional, however have ran > into various articles talking about using Eclipse/EPIC, Active State perl > editor to better improve my odds. My plan is to uninstall Strawberry perl > and install Active State. Then install Eclipse/EPIC that requires Java to > be initially installed to function. > >>> > >>> I don't use Windows so I don't use Strawberry nor Active State. I > don't use Eclipse/EPIC, or any other fancy "rapid development environment." > If you do want to use a fancy (fat/heavyweight) editor, you might > also/alternatively try these: > >>> > >>> http://padre.perlide.org/ > >>> http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide > >>> > >>> I ssh to Linux servers (usually Debian) or develop locally on OS X > (Mac) and use the "vim" text editor. On Windows I use Notepad. I'm old > school. :) > >>> > >>> If I were you I'd either boot my laptop as Linux, or buy a cheap PC > and install Debian on it. If you don't want to buy a separate PC, you could > buy a dedicated "plug computer" with Debian on it: > >>> > >>> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html > >>> > >>> I've never done that, but it looks cool. :) > >>> > >>> Some people do use Perl on Windows, but it's not common, especially in > bioinformatics. > >>> > >>> > My problem is that I do not have internet at home unless I tether to > my cell phone and I have only limited data. Therefore I want all of the > functional software to not require connection to the internet to work. > >>> > >>> The biggest problem you'll have there is that most Perl things tend to > require software from CPAN, which usually lives on the Internet. Once you > have all the software you need working offline is easy, but you're likely > to hit new requirements as you develop things. You could, I suppose, try to > get all your dependencies at work each day before you go home. > >>> > >>> There are ways for you to take chunks of CPAN home with you on a USB > drive, but that requires a lot of non-default monkeying to get working. > Even then you kind of need to know what you're going to want. :) > >>> > >>> > I do not know if Java has to be linked to a web site to function as > I have downloaded supposable stand alone installer file. > >>> > >>> Once you install Java on your Windows or Debian workstation/server > once, you should be fine. > >>> > >>> > My question, is this the best approach or is there another way. I > have been collecting books and pdf files about perl and various example > scripts to start reading. Thanks > >>> > >>> The process of learning Perl should all work fine on Windows. It's > when you start using BioPerl or other software packages with requirement > trees that things might get dicey. Windows tends to be an after thought or > not supported at all in the Perl-adjacent bioinformatics stack. > >>> > >>> Note: As a guy who always uses Linux (or OS X), my perspective might > be skewed / wrong. :) > >>> > >>> I hope that helped. I cc'd the Omaha Perl Mongers group in case other > people have thoughts / corrections for you. > >>> > >>> Good luck! I'm happy to help, call me anytime. > >>> > >>> j > >>> 402-598-7782 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Omaha-pm mailing list > >>> Omaha-pm at pm.org > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Omaha-pm mailing list > >> Omaha-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sam Flint > > flintfam.org/~swflint > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Omaha-pm mailing list > > Omaha-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > Omaha-pm mailing list > Omaha-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm > -- Sam Flint flintfam.org/~swflint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: