From jay at jays.net  Sat Feb  3 06:14:58 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:14:58 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Job Snag-O (WWW::Mechanize)
In-Reply-To: <918A98520F3FCE409850AB28CDC2E3D501100013@OMAEXMB01.corp.westworlds.com>
References: <F320A8AF-0933-4943-B69B-8717BA27764C@jays.net>
	<918A98520F3FCE409850AB28CDC2E3D501100013@OMAEXMB01.corp.westworlds.com>
Message-ID: <7F5E405C-4FF4-4C01-9EF7-FA27E5E0132C@jays.net>

On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Hanson, Paul M. wrote:
> If he has a cell phone that accepts text messages, couldn't you send a
> short "Nothing" to that device?

Indeed. But alas he has no mobile phone. There are however, other  
mobile phones in the house that they don't use at night anyway.  
Perhaps he could sleep with one of those and I could send an email to  
that phone?

Update: So far the Job Snag-O tool has only kicked out a long,  
depressing series of "No jobs available at this time" emails. One  
every 15 minutes for 3 hours a day. I'm not yet sure if I'm not  
checking frequently enough or if there are a dozen desperate subs  
clicking every 5 seconds at 5:30am or what...

j





From rob.townley at gmail.com  Sun Feb  4 04:34:51 2007
From: rob.townley at gmail.com (Rob Townley)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 06:34:51 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Job Snag-O (WWW::Mechanize)
In-Reply-To: <7F5E405C-4FF4-4C01-9EF7-FA27E5E0132C@jays.net>
References: <F320A8AF-0933-4943-B69B-8717BA27764C@jays.net>
	<918A98520F3FCE409850AB28CDC2E3D501100013@OMAEXMB01.corp.westworlds.com>
	<7F5E405C-4FF4-4C01-9EF7-FA27E5E0132C@jays.net>
Message-ID: <7e84ed60702040434o3f09b1c6k1169c8e34b833ad4@mail.gmail.com>

You could email it to an perl based X-10 service that relays it to a bed
shaking alarm clock.

On 2/3/07, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
>
> On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Hanson, Paul M. wrote:
> > If he has a cell phone that accepts text messages, couldn't you send a
> > short "Nothing" to that device?
>
> Indeed. But alas he has no mobile phone. There are however, other
> mobile phones in the house that they don't use at night anyway.
> Perhaps he could sleep with one of those and I could send an email to
> that phone?
>
> Update: So far the Job Snag-O tool has only kicked out a long,
> depressing series of "No jobs available at this time" emails. One
> every 15 minutes for 3 hours a day. I'm not yet sure if I'm not
> checking frequently enough or if there are a dozen desperate subs
> clicking every 5 seconds at 5:30am or what...
>
> j
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha-pm mailing list
> Omaha-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm
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From jay at jays.net  Sun Feb  4 06:21:47 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:21:47 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Job Snag-O (WWW::Mechanize)
In-Reply-To: <7e84ed60702040434o3f09b1c6k1169c8e34b833ad4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F320A8AF-0933-4943-B69B-8717BA27764C@jays.net>
	<918A98520F3FCE409850AB28CDC2E3D501100013@OMAEXMB01.corp.westworlds.com>
	<7F5E405C-4FF4-4C01-9EF7-FA27E5E0132C@jays.net>
	<7e84ed60702040434o3f09b1c6k1169c8e34b833ad4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC65CF21-BD38-4267-8057-87ED0DE0BA62@jays.net>

On Feb 4, 2007, at 6:34 AM, Rob Townley wrote:
> You could email it to an perl based X-10 service that relays it to  
> a bed shaking alarm clock.

I like that idea!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110084332024
Sonic BOMB Vibrating Alarm Clock 12V Bed Shaker sbb500
   ? Turbo charged, extra loud alarm
   ? Supercharged bed shaker
   ? Adjustable volume & tone
   ? Explosive red display
   ? Pulsating alert light

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200075632150	
X10 Large PowerHorn Alarm Siren PH508 for DS7000 +BONUS

Should put him in a great mood to get up at the crack of dawn and  
teach da yoots.

:)

j


From jay at jays.net  Mon Feb  5 04:05:33 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 06:05:33 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Job Snag-O
In-Reply-To: <200702051236.l15CaMeN010986@ferret.jays.net>
References: <200702051236.l15CaMeN010986@ferret.jays.net>
Message-ID: <6D5571E1-C739-4C38-9983-D9942A251083@jays.net>

Boo-ya!!!

Did you want to teach Spanish today? Should I page you?  :)

ok... so now we have to start figuring out the rules about when I  
should click where... and how I automate that...

j



On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Jay wrote:

> I found something?
>
> Parsed text:
>
>     Job ID
>     Employee
>     Position
>     Site
>     Description
>
>       DIECIDUE, PAMELA    Spanish    William Chrisman    2/5/2007  
> at 6:55AM until 2/5/2007 at 2:40PM (A)          HAMILTON, SARAH     
> HS English    William Chrisman    2/5/2007 at 6:55AM until 2/5/2007  
> at 2:40PM (A)        (A)- Employee's Schedule   (S)- Same Times  
> Every Day
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Raw text:
> *** SNIPPED 82 TONS OF JAVASCRIPT UP HERE ***
>
> <HTML>
> <HEAD>
> <TITLE>Substitute Available Jobs</TITLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY>
> <SCRIPT Language=Javascript>
> 	function GoDirections(siteNum)
> 	{
> 		theURL = "../SiteMsg/Directions.asp?DirectionsID=" + siteNum ;
> 		window.open 
> (theURL,'','menubar=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,height=250,width=4 
> 00,top=225,left=250');
> 	}
> </SCRIPT>
>
>
> <table width="100%"><tr><td width="20%"><small><b>6:04 AM</b></ 
> td><td width="50%"><center><font size="4" color="blue">Available  
> Jobs</font></center></td><td align=right  
> width="30%"><small><b>2/5/2007</b></small></td></tr></ 
> table><font>Click on Job ID to select job.</font>
> <FORM ACTION=SubJobConfirm.ASP METHOD=post id=SubAvailSelectForm  
> name=SubAvailSelectForm>
> <INPUT type=hidden name=JobID value="0">
> <table border><tr>
> <td><small><center><b>Job ID</b></center></small></td>
> <td><small><center><b>Employee</b></center></small></td>
> <td><small><center><b>Position</b></center></small></td>
> <td><small><center><b>Site</b></center></small></td>
> <td><small><center><b>Description</b></center></small></td>
> </tr>
> <tr><td><INPUT id=Select type=image src=" ../images/select.gif"  
> value="Select" name=Select LANGUAGE=javascript  
> onclick="SubAvailSelect_onclick(5955)"></td><td><small>DIECIDUE,  
> PAMELA</small></td><td><small>Spanish</small></ 
> td><td><small>William Chrisman</small></td><td><small>2/5/2007 at  
> 6:55AM until 2/5/2007 at 2:40PM (A) </small></td></ 
> tr><tr><td><INPUT id=Select type=image src=" ../images/select.gif"  
> value="Select" name=Select LANGUAGE=javascript  
> onclick="SubAvailSelect_onclick(5956)"></td><td><small>HAMILTON,  
> SARAH</small></td><td><small>HS English</small></ 
> td><td><small>William Chrisman</small></td><td><small>2/5/2007 at  
> 6:55AM until 2/5/2007 at 2:40PM (A) </small></td></tr></table></ 
> FORM><font face='Arial' size =2><br>(A)- Employee's Schedule</ 
> font><font face='Arial' size =2><br>(S)- Same Times Every Day</font>
> </body>
> </html>


From jay at jays.net  Thu Feb  8 13:39:34 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and Development
	Month at O'Reilly
Message-ID: <b0ff971b1f89aee278c2783f41c074f9@jays.net>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Marsee Henon" <marsee at oreilly.com>
> Date: February 7, 2007 1:56:09 PM CST
> To: jay at jays.net
> Subject: UG News--February is Web Design and Development Month at 
> O'Reilly
>
> Hi,
>
> Can you share the following with your members if you think they
> might be interested?
>
> It's Web Design and Development Month here at O'Reilly and we just put
> together a special resource page dedicated to web development 
> essentials
> including books, PDF Short Cuts, articles, and author events:
> http://www.oreilly.com/go/webdev
>
>
> Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when
> they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground
> shipping in the US on orders over $29.95.
>
> Happy FebWeb,
>
> Marsee
>
> ================================================================
> O'Reilly
> 1005 Gravenstein Highway North
> Sebastopol, CA   95472
> http://ug.oreilly.com/  http://ug.oreilly.com/creativemedia/
> ================================================================


From ryan at cfwebtools.com  Fri Feb  9 09:38:05 2007
From: ryan at cfwebtools.com (Ryan Stille)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:38:05 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and Development
 Month at O'Reilly
In-Reply-To: <b0ff971b1f89aee278c2783f41c074f9@jays.net>
References: <b0ff971b1f89aee278c2783f41c074f9@jays.net>
Message-ID: <45CCB17D.1000608@cfwebtools.com>

Anyone planning on ordering something?  I was thinking about ordering 
one book, but that still leaves me under the free shipping amount.

-Ryan

Jay Hannah wrote:
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>   
>> From: "Marsee Henon" <marsee at oreilly.com>
>> Date: February 7, 2007 1:56:09 PM CST
>> To: jay at jays.net
>> Subject: UG News--February is Web Design and Development Month at 
>> O'Reilly
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can you share the following with your members if you think they
>> might be interested?
>>
>> It's Web Design and Development Month here at O'Reilly and we just put
>> together a special resource page dedicated to web development 
>> essentials
>> including books, PDF Short Cuts, articles, and author events:
>> http://www.oreilly.com/go/webdev
>>
>>
>> Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when
>> they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground
>> shipping in the US on orders over $29.95.
>>
>> Happy FebWeb,
>>
>> Marsee
>>
>> ================================================================
>> O'Reilly
>> 1005 Gravenstein Highway North
>> Sebastopol, CA   95472
>> http://ug.oreilly.com/  http://ug.oreilly.com/creativemedia/
>> ===============================================================
>>     


From jay at jays.net  Fri Feb  9 17:49:51 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and Development
	Month at O'Reilly
In-Reply-To: <45CCB17D.1000608@cfwebtools.com>
References: <b0ff971b1f89aee278c2783f41c074f9@jays.net>
	<45CCB17D.1000608@cfwebtools.com>
Message-ID: <85bc83bf49044b82d1ea5f2dd32a078f@jays.net>

On Feb 9, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Ryan Stille wrote:
> Anyone planning on ordering something?  I was thinking about ordering
> one book, but that still leaves me under the free shipping amount.

I'm in for this one:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/blast/index.html

j


From jay at jays.net  Tue Feb 13 02:52:51 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:52:51 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] shh.... secret meeting tonight @ 7pm
Message-ID: <A61DD845-E389-44D7-8DDC-FEC732F49821@jays.net>

Don't tell anybody, but tonight is your favorite day of the month -  
Perl Monger night!

http://omaha.pm.org/

Pizza for all! Meetings are sponsored by Paragon IT Professionals.  
Thanks Jimmy Smith!!

What kind of pizza? Its a mystery. "A mystery wrapped in an enigma,  
smothered in secret sauce." - Phil Hartman, News Radio

Perly stuff I've been working on lately:

- http://seqlab.net: Help me optimize some genetic sequencing regex's  
I wrote over the weekend.
- Job Snag-O: My brother the substitute teacher doesn't want to wake  
up at 05:30 to check for jobs, so my robot does it for him. Isn't  
WWW::Mechanize neat?

See you there!

j



From jay at jays.net  Tue Feb 13 03:53:45 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 05:53:45 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Our wiki is back again
Message-ID: <2D34F70B-0A6B-42F5-8EAD-DAF7933962A7@jays.net>


I re-whacked our wiki again:

http://omaha.pm.org/kwiki/

j


Don't these people have anything better to do? -sigh-

1.97 Feb 13 Jay fixes the wiki again
1.96 Feb 12 Hacked By CooLLTurk
1.95 Jan 23 BHT LamerLik yapma ! GeL hack ?~V?~_ren ;)
1.94 Jan 23 HaCK?d ?~_y Penguen-Team
1.93 Jan 23 http://ker****et.sitemynet.com/hacked.htm
1.92 Jan 07 HACKED BY MEMOL?
1.91 Jan 05 Hacked By D3L1 URFA TEAM
1.90 Jan 04 Hacked By musanmaz and Sanal Optik
1.89 Dec 22 HACKED BY SRNA
1.88 Dec 22 Huge MS-FrontPage
1.87 Dec 21 HaCKeD By ErD@@L
1.86 Sep 28 Jay fixes the wiki again



From jay at jays.net  Tue Feb 13 19:08:54 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:08:54 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] One-liner file clean-up
Message-ID: <6b49fda87eda3cc81f46623a2123359d@jays.net>

PROBLEM:

Given a file like this:

--------
A<B>01100 Metabolism</B>$
B$
B  <B>01110 Carbohydrate Metabolism</B>$
C$
C    00010 Glycolysis / Gluconeogenesis [PATH:sac00010]$
D$
D      <a href="/dbget-bin/www_bget?sac:SACOL1604">SACOL1604</a> glk; 
glucokinase [EC:2.7.1.2]; <a 
href=/dbget-bin/www_bget?ko+K00845>K00845</a> glucokinase $
D      <a href="/dbget-bin/www_bget?sac:SACOL0966">SACOL0966</a> pgi; 
glucose-6-phosphate isomerase [EC:5.3.1.9]; <a 
href=/dbget-bin/www_bget?ko+K01810>K01810</a> glucose-6-phosphate 
isomerase $
--------

Strip out all the HTML, and the leading capital letter and spaces. So 
it ends up looking like this:

--------
01100 Metabolism

01110 Carbohydrate Metabolism

00010 Glycolysis / Gluconeogenesis [PATH:sac00010]

SACOL1604 glk; glucokinase [EC:2.7.1.2]; K00845 glucokinase
SACOL0966 pgi; glucose-6-phosphate isomerase [EC:5.3.1.9]; K01810 
glucose-6-ph
osphate isomerase
--------


SOLUTION:

$ perl -pe 's/<.*?>//g; s/^[A-Z] *//;' filename.txt


Grin,

j


From jay at jays.net  Sun Feb 18 09:25:54 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:25:54 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] pods2html / Pod::Tree::HTML
Message-ID: <8E5F3876-2B45-47F4-8325-A02D066D1010@jays.net>

Hi Steven --

Have you ever considered adding arguments to allow arbitrary header  
and footer blocks to be tacked onto the top and bottom of the output  
HTML?

pods2html created this beautifully:

    http://seqlab.net/pods2html/

But I want to add my site-wide headers and footers

    http://seqlab.net/lib/header
    http://seqlab.net/lib/footer

So the pods2html output pages look like all my other pages on my site  
(Template Toolkit driven).

Thanks,

j


From jay at jays.net  Sun Feb 18 17:52:44 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:52:44 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: pods2html / Pod::Tree::HTML
Message-ID: <bc9a5ad8d34408dbb5377faa6fc87b4f@jays.net>

... hmm ...

j

Begin forwarded message:
> From: Steven W McDougall <swmcd at TheWorld.com>
> Date: February 18, 2007 2:31:47 PM CST
> To: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
> Subject: Re: pods2html / Pod::Tree::HTML
>
>> Have you ever considered adding arguments to allow arbitrary header
>> and footer blocks to be tacked onto the top and bottom of the output
>> HTML?
>
> It could happen.
> I've had another Pod::Tree release on my todo list for a while now.
> I'll see if I can put something together.
>
>
> - SWM


From jay at jays.net  Wed Feb 21 17:40:44 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:40:44 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: ref to a ref? circular refs?
Message-ID: <6da8aae3ea6b321800941ab88e8054b4@jays.net>

-laugh-

Here's me back in January having fun with references to references...

I stumbled into this entirely by mistake. Has anyone on the list ever 
*intentionally* made a reference to a reference?

j


Begin forwarded message:
> From: Jay <jhannah at ferret.jays.net>
> Date: January 19, 2007 3:15:01 PM CST
> To: jay at jays.net
> Subject: ref to a ref? circular refs?
>
>
> my $a = 10;
> my $b = \$a;
> my $c = \$b;
> my $d = \$c;
> my $e = \$d;
>
> exit;
>
>
>
> main::(j.pl:2): my $a = 10;
> auto(-1)  DB<1> o pager=less
>                pager = '|less'
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> n
> main::(j.pl:3): my $b = \$a;
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> n
> main::(j.pl:4): my $c = \$b;
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> n
> main::(j.pl:5): my $d = \$c;
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> n
> main::(j.pl:6): my $e = \$d;
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> n
> main::(j.pl:8): exit;
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> x $e
> 0  REF(0x830439c)
>    -> REF(0x812e2b0)
>          -> REF(0x812e244)
>                -> SCALAR(0x812e1f0)
>                      -> 10
>
>   DB<3> q
>
>
>
>
> $ cat j.pl
>
> my $a = 10;
> my $b = \$a;
> $a = $b;
>
> exit;
>
>
> main::(j.pl:2): my $a = 10;
> auto(-1)  DB<1> o pager=less
>                pager = '|less'
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> n
> main::(j.pl:3): my $b = \$a;
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> n
> main::(j.pl:4): $a = $b;
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> n
> main::(j.pl:6): exit;
>                                                                        
>                             DB<2> x $a
> 0  REF(0x812e1f0)
>    -> REF(0x812e1f0)
>          -> REUSED_ADDRESS
>                                                                        
>                             DB<3> x $b
> 0  REF(0x812e1f0)
>    -> REF(0x812e1f0)
>          -> REUSED_ADDRESS
>
>
> /
>


From jay at jays.net  Wed Feb 21 16:44:48 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:44:48 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] The Perl Quiz Night Kit
Message-ID: <a0a8063f99fcdcb507ed3895777ca6ec@jays.net>

Interested?

I'll buy the winner a Ferrari*.  :)

j

Begin forwarded message:
> From: Grant McLean <perlmongers at catalyst.net.nz>
> Date: December 14, 2006 5:27:04 AM CST
> Subject: [pm_groups] The Perl Quiz Night Kit
>
> Hi PM Group Leaders
>
> You may recall that a month ago I was planning to run a quiz night at
> Wellington.PM and asking if anyone had any helpful advice.
>
> Well we ran the quiz night for our December meeting and it was a lot of
> fun.  If you'd like to do something similar in your group then I can 
> now
> offer you "The Perl Quiz Night Kit".  It would kind of defeat the
> purpose of a quiz if the questions and answers were readily 
> downloadable
> from the Internet, so if you're interested email me at:
>
>   grant at mclean.net.nz
>
> Cheers
> Grant McLean
> Coordinator Wellington.PM

* MatchBox  :)


From dan at linder.org  Thu Feb 22 04:13:17 2007
From: dan at linder.org (Daniel Linder)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:13:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: ref to a ref? circular refs?
In-Reply-To: <6da8aae3ea6b321800941ab88e8054b4@jays.net>
References: <6da8aae3ea6b321800941ab88e8054b4@jays.net>
Message-ID: <57766.72.255.115.236.1172146397.squirrel@www.linder.org>


On Wed, February 21, 2007 19:40, Jay Hannah wrote:
> -laugh-
>
> Here's me back in January having fun with references to references...
>
> I stumbled into this entirely by mistake. Has anyone on the list ever
> *intentionally* made a reference to a reference?

Oh sure, this happens *ALL* the time in the Government::Accountability
module.  You'd be surprised how many times the entire function of
variables is just to point back to another module.

I think the module President::Truman[1] was the last one that had a
special flag ("BuckStopsHere=1"), but I can't remember if it affected the
entire Government package...

:)

Dan
Note 1: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm

- - - -
"Wait for that wisest of all counselors, time." -- Pericles
"I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them." -- Isaac Asimov


From jay at jays.net  Fri Feb 23 01:14:09 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:14:09 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: ref to a ref? circular refs?
In-Reply-To: <57766.72.255.115.236.1172146397.squirrel@www.linder.org>
References: <6da8aae3ea6b321800941ab88e8054b4@jays.net>
	<57766.72.255.115.236.1172146397.squirrel@www.linder.org>
Message-ID: <69C2F32D-6533-40E6-A991-A09440477F0D@jays.net>

On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Daniel Linder wrote:
> Oh sure, this happens *ALL* the time in the Government::Accountability
> module.  You'd be surprised how many times the entire function of
> variables is just to point back to another module.

I would think that most modules would have critical work to do...

sub do_x {
    my ($self) = @_;
    $self->spin(@_);
    $self->use_for_political_gain(@_);
    $self->fundraise_by_exploiting_x(@_);
    $self->congratulate;
    $self->delegate_x(@_);
    $self->contradict;
    $self->golf;
    return "vote for $self!";
}

With a pure reference to a reference valuable opportunities would be  
missed. :)

j



From robert.fulkerson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 12:08:31 2007
From: robert.fulkerson at gmail.com (Robert Fulkerson)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:08:31 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
Message-ID: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings All!

     UNO would like to create a two-course sequence of web-related
programming.  We currently have my course, which is taught in Perl and
another course that covers similar content but doesn't require any previous
programming experience that is taught in Python.  Essentially, we're going
use the current Python course as the intro course and then my course as the
advanced course.  We're going to standardize on one language, however, and
Perl, Ruby and Python (and heck, even PHP) are all candidates.  The two
languages at the top of the heap are Perl and Python, since work has already
been done in both languages, thus reducing the amount of work to create the
two-course sequence.  I, of course, want the language to be Perl and have my
own set of reasons, but I thought I'd cast a wide net out to everyone for
ideas that I can bring to the table on Tuesday.

     So, fire away.  Why should we continue to teach Perl instead of Python
at UNO?  Other than the fact that it's the coolest language ever?  :)

     Thanks!
     -- b
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From gotosleep at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 12:35:43 2007
From: gotosleep at gmail.com (Jesse Andersen)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:35:43 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
In-Reply-To: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd34a8450702241235r467325fch3e71955cd72bae07@mail.gmail.com>

I took your class in spring 2006 and shortly after that was hired on to my
first programming job.  We do a ton of scripting where I work, and your
class definitely gave me a huge advantage.  We do all our scripting in
either korn shell, perl, or tcl, I of course chose perl whenever I can :)  I
can honestly say that the perl I learned in your class was one of the most
useful things I've ever learned at UNO.  I don't think Python would have
been nearly as useful for me. From my limited experience, it seems like most
of the big companies use perl for most of their scripting needs.  Perl is
the most practical (and the best) choice, in my opinion.

On 2/24/07, Robert Fulkerson <robert.fulkerson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings All!
>
>      UNO would like to create a two-course sequence of web-related
> programming.  We currently have my course, which is taught in Perl and
> another course that covers similar content but doesn't require any previous
> programming experience that is taught in Python.  Essentially, we're going
> use the current Python course as the intro course and then my course as the
> advanced course.  We're going to standardize on one language, however, and
> Perl, Ruby and Python (and heck, even PHP) are all candidates.  The two
> languages at the top of the heap are Perl and Python, since work has already
> been done in both languages, thus reducing the amount of work to create the
> two-course sequence.  I, of course, want the language to be Perl and have my
> own set of reasons, but I thought I'd cast a wide net out to everyone for
> ideas that I can bring to the table on Tuesday.
>
>      So, fire away.  Why should we continue to teach Perl instead of
> Python at UNO?  Other than the fact that it's the coolest language ever?  :)
>
>      Thanks!
>      -- b
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha-pm mailing list
> Omaha-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm
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From kiranbina at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 13:18:32 2007
From: kiranbina at gmail.com (kiran bina)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:18:32 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
In-Reply-To: <fd34a8450702241235r467325fch3e71955cd72bae07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
	<fd34a8450702241235r467325fch3e71955cd72bae07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531681ec0702241318s589917d8t901475d85f43684a@mail.gmail.com>

I vote for Perl coz. I agree bob, it is the coolest language ever :-)
.However, most importantly it is useful for wide variety of things you do
later in your career (like the previous post).  Additional reason for
beginners like me is that fact that I get to find more people who can and
are willing to help. Unlike other languages you depend on limited few who
may or may not have time to spare.  Since I was interested in processing
biological data I chose to learn bioperl and your class definitely gave a
strong foundation. However, I would request you, if possible, to include the
section on database interaction.
Kiran


On 2/24/07, Jesse Andersen <gotosleep at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I took your class in spring 2006 and shortly after that was hired on to my
> first programming job.  We do a ton of scripting where I work, and your
> class definitely gave me a huge advantage.  We do all our scripting in
> either korn shell, perl, or tcl, I of course chose perl whenever I can :)  I
> can honestly say that the perl I learned in your class was one of the most
> useful things I've ever learned at UNO.  I don't think Python would have
> been nearly as useful for me. From my limited experience, it seems like most
> of the big companies use perl for most of their scripting needs.  Perl is
> the most practical (and the best) choice, in my opinion.
>
> On 2/24/07, Robert Fulkerson <robert.fulkerson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Greetings All!
> >
> >      UNO would like to create a two-course sequence of web-related
> > programming.  We currently have my course, which is taught in Perl and
> > another course that covers similar content but doesn't require any previous
> > programming experience that is taught in Python.  Essentially, we're going
> > use the current Python course as the intro course and then my course as the
> > advanced course.  We're going to standardize on one language, however, and
> > Perl, Ruby and Python (and heck, even PHP) are all candidates.  The two
> > languages at the top of the heap are Perl and Python, since work has already
> > been done in both languages, thus reducing the amount of work to create the
> > two-course sequence.  I, of course, want the language to be Perl and have my
> > own set of reasons, but I thought I'd cast a wide net out to everyone for
> > ideas that I can bring to the table on Tuesday.
> >
> >      So, fire away.  Why should we continue to teach Perl instead of
> > Python at UNO?  Other than the fact that it's the coolest language ever?  :)
> >
> >      Thanks!
> >      -- b
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha-pm mailing list
> > Omaha-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm
> >
>
>
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Assistant Professor
Department of Pediatrics
University of Nebraska Medical Center
Omaha NE 68198
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From mkolakow at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 24 14:16:58 2007
From: mkolakow at yahoo.com (Michael Kolakowski)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:16:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
In-Reply-To: <fd34a8450702241235r467325fch3e71955cd72bae07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <970485.5904.qm@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have learned both languages so perhaps I can add something useful to this discussion.  I first
learned Perl in Bob's class and I learned Python a couple years later for a job.  I'll try to be
objective, but we all know that's nearly impossible.

-First, saying that most big companies use perl might be a bit of a misnomer.  Both Google and
NASA use Python.  See here: http://www.python.org/about/success/

-Second, there is actually a lot of support for Python out there.  Mailing lists and even O'Reilly
books are available.

-Python has grown a lot over the past 10 years and there is, in fact, a lot you can do with it. 
There are many more packages, I think, than most people realize.

So, now for the opinion part.  I learned a heck of a lot in Bob's class.  It was one of my
favorite classes at UNO.  I'm also pleased to hear that there is now a Python class...I'm a bit
out of the loop.  My experience is that they are both cool languages, but a year later I can still
read my Python code, whereas I have to work at it quite a bit to figure out what I was doing in
Perl.  Perl just lends itself to being obfuscated (hence the contest).

Anyhow, I'm just trying to add some food for thought.  I'm not really advocating one over the
other...

Take care,
Michael Kolakowski





--- Jesse Andersen <gotosleep at gmail.com> wrote:

> I took your class in spring 2006 and shortly after that was hired on to my
> first programming job.  We do a ton of scripting where I work, and your
> class definitely gave me a huge advantage.  We do all our scripting in
> either korn shell, perl, or tcl, I of course chose perl whenever I can :)  I
> can honestly say that the perl I learned in your class was one of the most
> useful things I've ever learned at UNO.  I don't think Python would have
> been nearly as useful for me. From my limited experience, it seems like most
> of the big companies use perl for most of their scripting needs.  Perl is
> the most practical (and the best) choice, in my opinion.
> 
> On 2/24/07, Robert Fulkerson <robert.fulkerson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings All!
> >
> >      UNO would like to create a two-course sequence of web-related
> > programming.  We currently have my course, which is taught in Perl and
> > another course that covers similar content but doesn't require any previous
> > programming experience that is taught in Python.  Essentially, we're going
> > use the current Python course as the intro course and then my course as the
> > advanced course.  We're going to standardize on one language, however, and
> > Perl, Ruby and Python (and heck, even PHP) are all candidates.  The two
> > languages at the top of the heap are Perl and Python, since work has already
> > been done in both languages, thus reducing the amount of work to create the
> > two-course sequence.  I, of course, want the language to be Perl and have my
> > own set of reasons, but I thought I'd cast a wide net out to everyone for
> > ideas that I can bring to the table on Tuesday.
> >
> >      So, fire away.  Why should we continue to teach Perl instead of
> > Python at UNO?  Other than the fact that it's the coolest language ever?  :)
> >
> >      Thanks!
> >      -- b
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha-pm mailing list
> > Omaha-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> Omaha-pm mailing list
> Omaha-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm



 
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From jay at jays.net  Sat Feb 24 14:32:44 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:32:44 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
In-Reply-To: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <159d20181775b5534b21a36f39b6d2c7@jays.net>

On Feb 24, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Robert Fulkerson wrote:
> Why should we continue to teach Perl instead of Python at UNO?

Wow.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamebait  -laugh-

Your best shot at finding Pythonistas in Omaha:

    Omaha Dynamic Language User Group
    http://www.blainebuxton.com/odynug/

I've only made it out to one meeting so far. It was great.

I started a list of companies in Omaha that I know for a fact are using 
Perl in important ways:

    http://omaha.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?LocalOrganizationsWhoUsePerl

Please add to it. And/or feel free to add a Python page/section/list 
too. The Perl wiki is open minded and unafraid.  :)

j
(I vote for Perl. I am interested in learning Python some day.)


From jay at jays.net  Sat Feb 24 14:48:22 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:48:22 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
In-Reply-To: <159d20181775b5534b21a36f39b6d2c7@jays.net>
References: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
	<159d20181775b5534b21a36f39b6d2c7@jays.net>
Message-ID: <8fa79d63e000553f772eb9106d1d99c6@jays.net>

On Feb 24, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:
> http://omaha.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?LocalOrganizationsWhoUsePerl

By the way, a Linux in Omaha list lives here:
    http://linux.phpconsulting.com/

j


From dthacker9 at cox.net  Thu Feb 22 05:28:33 2007
From: dthacker9 at cox.net (Dave Thacker)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:28:33 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: ref to a ref? circular refs?
In-Reply-To: <57766.72.255.115.236.1172146397.squirrel@www.linder.org>
References: <6da8aae3ea6b321800941ab88e8054b4@jays.net>
	<57766.72.255.115.236.1172146397.squirrel@www.linder.org>
Message-ID: <200702220728.33201.dthacker9@cox.net>

On Thursday 22 February 2007 06:13, Daniel Linder wrote:
> On Wed, February 21, 2007 19:40, Jay Hannah wrote:
> > -laugh-
> >
> > Here's me back in January having fun with references to references...
> >
> > I stumbled into this entirely by mistake. Has anyone on the list ever
> > *intentionally* made a reference to a reference?
>
> Oh sure, this happens *ALL* the time in the Government::Accountability
> module.  You'd be surprised how many times the entire function of
> variables is just to point back to another module.
>
> I think the module President::Truman[1] was the last one that had a
> special flag ("BuckStopsHere=1"), but I can't remember if it affected the
> entire Government package...
>
This is also a frequent occurence in the Family::Accountability::Sibling 
modules,which tend to point back to another sibling module.  Sometimes all 
the functions of the Sibling variables end up pointing to the 
Family::Accountability::Dog module, but this module's output is limited and 
rather smelly. 

Dave

> :)
>
> Dan
> Note 1: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm
>
> - - - -
> "Wait for that wisest of all counselors, time." -- Pericles
> "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them." -- Isaac Asimov
>
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From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Mon Feb 26 10:39:24 2007
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:39:24 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] s/[^ -~]//g;   strikes again
Message-ID: <E59FF64509EEEA4C96BE4723AE96685349344E@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>


Yet again this morning a program was choking on "binary characters",
this time in a Spanish address field that our XML library doesn't handle
gracefully by default. 

Once again instead of actually making a system smart enough to handle
Unicode I opted instead to just whack any characters that aren't in
SPACE (" ") through TILDE ("~") in the ASCII chart.

$conv_xml =~ s/[^ -~]//g;

Works like a dream. I live in the rural midwest, USA; why would I care
about anything not in that range in the good-ole' ASCII table? :)

Just curious: Does anyone on the list explicitly process Unicode w/
Perl? I think we've had some stuff that just magically works without us
understanding it, but it's 2007 and I still have never explicitly
handled such things. :)

j
lives a sheltered life


From jay at jays.net  Wed Feb 28 01:40:43 2007
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:40:43 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] "Command-Line Bioinformatics"
References: <F7C1E903-1712-40A5-B817-8CDAADECEBF4@jays.net>
Message-ID: <F1B665E9-138C-43D2-B2C1-F891433C1B8C@jays.net>

Reading this article:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6977
Sequencing the SARS Virus - Linux Journal, Nov 2003

This guy needs Perl and/or BioPerl.  :)

> The sequence file is in FASTA format consisting of a header line  
> and the sequence, split into fixed-width lines. The following  
> counts the number of Gs and Cs in the sequence and presents the  
> total as a fraction of the total number of bases:
>
> > grep -v "^>" AY274119.fa | fold -w 1 |
> tr "ATGC" "..xx" | sort | uniq -c |
> sed 's/[^0-9]//g' | t -s "\012" " " |
> sed 's/\([0-9]*\) \([0-9]*\)/scale = 3;
> ?\2 \/ (\1+\2)/' |
> bc -i
> scale = 3; 12127 / (17624+12127)
> .407
>
> Out of the 29,751 bases in our sequence, 12,127 are either G or C,  
> giving a GC content of 41%.

BioPerl version:

use Bio::SeqIO;
my $io = Bio::SeqIO->new(
   -file   => 'AY274119.fa',
   -format => 'Fasta'
);
my $seq = $io->next_seq->seq;
print ( ($seq =~ tr/GC/GC/) / length ($seq) );

Command-line Perl:

perl -e '$/ = undef; $_ = <>; s/>.*//; s/\n//g; print tr/GC/GC/ /  
length($_)' AY274119.fa

I'm sure you can Perl Golf my stabs at it.  :)

j
seqlab.net
http://www.bioperl.org/wiki/User:Jhannah





From kiranbina at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 07:07:55 2007
From: kiranbina at gmail.com (kiran bina)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:07:55 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] "Command-Line Bioinformatics"
In-Reply-To: <F1B665E9-138C-43D2-B2C1-F891433C1B8C@jays.net>
References: <F7C1E903-1712-40A5-B817-8CDAADECEBF4@jays.net>
	<F1B665E9-138C-43D2-B2C1-F891433C1B8C@jays.net>
Message-ID: <531681ec0702280707q2fb4fedexc3668c88ed4021a6@mail.gmail.com>

I am glad I am using perl and not python or any thing else. Thanks to Bob
who got me started with perl and Jay with bio-perl helping me every step of
the way. :-)

On 2/28/07, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
>
> Reading this article:
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6977
> Sequencing the SARS Virus - Linux Journal, Nov 2003
>
> This guy needs Perl and/or BioPerl.  :)
>
> > The sequence file is in FASTA format consisting of a header line
> > and the sequence, split into fixed-width lines. The following
> > counts the number of Gs and Cs in the sequence and presents the
> > total as a fraction of the total number of bases:
> >
> > > grep -v "^>" AY274119.fa | fold -w 1 |
> > tr "ATGC" "..xx" | sort | uniq -c |
> > sed 's/[^0-9]//g' | t -s "\012" " " |
> > sed 's/\([0-9]*\) \([0-9]*\)/scale = 3;
> > ?\2 \/ (\1+\2)/' |
> > bc -i
> > scale = 3; 12127 / (17624+12127)
> > .407
> >
> > Out of the 29,751 bases in our sequence, 12,127 are either G or C,
> > giving a GC content of 41%.
>
> BioPerl version:
>
> use Bio::SeqIO;
> my $io = Bio::SeqIO->new(
>   -file   => 'AY274119.fa',
>   -format => 'Fasta'
> );
> my $seq = $io->next_seq->seq;
> print ( ($seq =~ tr/GC/GC/) / length ($seq) );
>
> Command-line Perl:
>
> perl -e '$/ = undef; $_ = <>; s/>.*//; s/\n//g; print tr/GC/GC/ /
> length($_)' AY274119.fa
>
> I'm sure you can Perl Golf my stabs at it.  :)
>
> j
> seqlab.net
> http://www.bioperl.org/wiki/User:Jhannah
>
>
>
>
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Assistant Professor
Department of Pediatrics
University of Nebraska Medical Center
Omaha NE 68198
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From dthacker9 at cox.net  Wed Feb 28 11:25:23 2007
From: dthacker9 at cox.net (Dave Thacker)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:25:23 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
In-Reply-To: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200702281325.23179.dthacker9@cox.net>

On Saturday 24 February 2007 14:08, Robert Fulkerson wrote:
> Greetings All!
>
>      UNO would like to create a two-course sequence of web-related
> programming.  We currently have my course, which is taught in Perl and
> another course that covers similar content but doesn't require any previous
> programming experience that is taught in Python.  Essentially, we're going
> use the current Python course as the intro course and then my course as the
> advanced course.  We're going to standardize on one language, however, and
> Perl, Ruby and Python (and heck, even PHP) are all candidates.  The two
> languages at the top of the heap are Perl and Python, since work has
> already been done in both languages, thus reducing the amount of work to
> create the two-course sequence.  I, of course, want the language to be Perl
> and have my own set of reasons, but I thought I'd cast a wide net out to
> everyone for ideas that I can bring to the table on Tuesday.
>
>      So, fire away.  Why should we continue to teach Perl instead of Python
> at UNO?  Other than the fact that it's the coolest language ever?  :)

Perl has done some very heavy lifting in the Web app world.  Python is gaining 
favor among the admin community:

One Laptop Per Child-OS and GUI written in python
Ubuntu Linux-All scripting done in python. 

Since the course is for the Web, I'd vote for perl.  

DT
>
>      Thanks!
>      -- b

From reynacho at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 12:18:39 2007
From: reynacho at gmail.com (Jake Churchill)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:18:39 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
In-Reply-To: <200702281325.23179.dthacker9@cox.net>
References: <6cb6eebc0702241208o31a3a2dcvac27cc4f2e11a492@mail.gmail.com>
	<200702281325.23179.dthacker9@cox.net>
Message-ID: <d07515e20702281218j5a6ff8cek67b0baae4a1fbbfd@mail.gmail.com>

Having also taken Bob's Programming on the Internet course, I would like to
post my vote for the continued use of Perl.  I think once you learn Perl,
all other scripting languages are pretty easy to learn.  Similar to how
after learning C/C++, Java is a breeze.

-Jake

On 2/28/07, Dave Thacker <dthacker9 at cox.net> wrote:
>
> On Saturday 24 February 2007 14:08, Robert Fulkerson wrote:
> > Greetings All!
> >
> >      UNO would like to create a two-course sequence of web-related
> > programming.  We currently have my course, which is taught in Perl and
> > another course that covers similar content but doesn't require any
> previous
> > programming experience that is taught in Python.  Essentially, we're
> going
> > use the current Python course as the intro course and then my course as
> the
> > advanced course.  We're going to standardize on one language, however,
> and
> > Perl, Ruby and Python (and heck, even PHP) are all candidates.  The two
> > languages at the top of the heap are Perl and Python, since work has
> > already been done in both languages, thus reducing the amount of work to
> > create the two-course sequence.  I, of course, want the language to be
> Perl
> > and have my own set of reasons, but I thought I'd cast a wide net out to
> > everyone for ideas that I can bring to the table on Tuesday.
> >
> >      So, fire away.  Why should we continue to teach Perl instead of
> Python
> > at UNO?  Other than the fact that it's the coolest language ever?  :)
>
> Perl has done some very heavy lifting in the Web app world.  Python is
> gaining
> favor among the admin community:
>
> One Laptop Per Child-OS and GUI written in python
> Ubuntu Linux-All scripting done in python.
>
> Since the course is for the Web, I'd vote for perl.
>
> DT
> >
> >      Thanks!
> >      -- b
> _______________________________________________
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From KThompson at heiskell.com  Wed Feb 28 12:27:49 2007
From: KThompson at heiskell.com (Thompson, Kenn)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:27:49 -0800
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl, Python, Ruby or PHP ...
Message-ID: <16F8D15756891C4EA961565331A3B350066CDFB1@JDHEXC01.heiskell.com>

On 2/28/07, Dave Thacker <dthacker9 at cox.net <mailto:dthacker9 at cox.net> >
wrote: 

On Saturday 24 February 2007 14:08, Robert Fulkerson wrote:
[Thompson, Kenn] Snip
>      UNO would like to create a two-course sequence of web-related
> programming.  We currently have my course, which is taught in Perl and 
> another course that covers similar content but doesn't require any
previous
> programming experience that is taught in Python.  
[Thompson, Kenn] SNIP
>      So, fire away.  Why should we continue to teach Perl instead of
Python
> at UNO?  Other than the fact that it's the coolest language ever?  :) 


[Thompson, Kenn] 
Here's food for thought... Given it's an "Internet" programming course, with
no previous experience needed (meaning it would be unlikely that the student
would know/understand concepts such as OO, typecasting/etc), wouldn't it be
better to start the series with a crash course in JavaScript, then follow up
with a strong language like Perl? 

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From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Wed Feb 28 16:09:40 2007
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:09:40 -0600
Subject: [Omaha.pm] DBI::Profile
Message-ID: <E59FF64509EEEA4C96BE4723AE966853610F77@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>


Whoah... DBI comes with a built-in profiler now. Just set the
DBI_PROFILE environment variable and run your program. It's magic!

Cool! Thanks http://perlcast.com/ !

j



$ export DBI_PROFILE=2
$ pwd
/home/jhannah/Omni/MVC/Control/Rates/t
$ time perl Avail_demo.pl


DBI::Profile: 0.546727s 54.67% (1062 calls) Avail_demo.pl @ 2007-02-26
13:20:13
'' =>
    0.086300s / 28 = 0.003082s avg (first 0.078487s, min 0.000002s, max
0.078487s)
'SELECT  * FROM surcharges where prop = 'ATLCNN' ' =>
    0.003786s / 10 = 0.000379s avg (first 0.001137s, min 0.000072s, max
0.001137s)
'SELECT * FROM gtd_policy_dates WHERE prop = 'ATLCNN' and edate >=
'05/23/2007' and sdate <= '05/23/2007'  ' =>
    0.009707s / 41 = 0.000237s avg (first 0.000948s, min 0.000137s, max
0.001818s)
'SELECT * FROM master_rate_info where  prop = "ATLCNN"  and rate_abbrv
IN ("AA1DLX", "AA2DLX", "AR1DLX", "BABDLX", "BARDLX", "BARPRE", "CEDLX",
"CEPRE", "CORDLX", "HD2DLX", "HDPDLX", "HOHDLX", "LESDLX", "PK1DLX",
"PK4DLX", "PK6DLX", "PK7DLX", "PK8DLX", "PK9DLX", "PKBDLX", "R42CDX",
"R42RDX", "R4CHDX", "REVDLX", "TEST1")   ' =>
    0.011639s / 28 = 0.000416s avg (first 0.002047s, min 0.000003s, max
0.002047s)
'SELECT * FROM rates  where rate_code = ? and (eff_start_date <= ? and
eff_stop_date >= ?) ' =>

...etc...


Yes, we're hitting the database 1,062 times.  :)  :(   ?