From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Mon May  1 11:42:05 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Validating XML Messages with Perl on Linux/Unix
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432C31@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>


Neat...  Any XML gurus lurking in the Omaha Perl Mongers?

j



-----Original Message-----
From: OTA-Impl-Forum at googlegroups.com
[mailto:OTA-Impl-Forum at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Adkins
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:36 PM
To: OTA-Impl-Forum at googlegroups.com
Subject: [OTA-Impl-Forum] Validating XML Messages with Perl on
Linux/Unix


Hi,

I found an interesting utility on CPAN to validate XML files:
XML-Validate.

It will validate with XML::LibXML (which is built on Gnome's libxml2,
see http://xmlsoft.org/), with XML::Xerces (which I described how to
install in a previous post, and see http://xml.apache.org/xerces-c/),
or with MSXML (if on Windows), whichever is installed.

Assuming that you have installed XML::Xerces as per the earlier post
and the OTA specification files as per another post, you can get
validation going with the following commands.

INSTALL XML::Validate

   su -
   perl -MCPAN -e "install XML::Validate"
   exit

VALIDATE THE SAMPLES

   cd $HOME
   mkdir tmp
   cd tmp
   cp $PREFIX/share/ota/2005B/schema/*.xsd .
   cp $PREFIX/share/ota/2005B/samples/*.xml .
   validxml.pl OTA_VehResRQ.xml
   for file in *.xml
   do
      validxml.pl $file
   done

Stephen

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From jay at jays.net  Tue May  2 03:28:47 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 05:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <9ac12b1c0604301541k57e28e34l9905b5ab7a7bf53c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9ac12b1c0604301541k57e28e34l9905b5ab7a7bf53c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4457345F.1040005@jays.net>

Dave M wrote:
> I had time to kill this morning, so I took the "nextmtg" script
> (informs you of the next pm meeting) from the front page
> (http://omaha.pm.org/nextmtg_pl.txt) and turned it into a gui.
> 
> Attached is also an rpm which should work with any Fedora/RH system.
> Note that you may have to install a few modules (Gtk2, Gnome2) if
> you're interested. It's not fully tested, but at least appears to
> work. It doesn't need Fedora, though - it can be run manually.

I don't run X-Windows anywhere. Can you post a screen shot? (Or 
an OS X Widget? -grin-)

I've been meaning to rewrite the Date::Calc stuff in that script into Class::Date, but haven't gotten around to it.
 
> This program reminded me that unfortunately I'll be out of town during
> the next meeting...

Sorry to hear that. Hope you can make it out soon!

j


From dave.nerd at gmail.com  Tue May  2 14:26:13 2006
From: dave.nerd at gmail.com (Dave M)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:26:13 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <4457345F.1040005@jays.net>
References: <9ac12b1c0604301541k57e28e34l9905b5ab7a7bf53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4457345F.1040005@jays.net>
Message-ID: <9ac12b1c0605021426l184af3f4j7e33495aaa48e4de@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/2/06, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
> Dave M wrote:
> > I had time to kill this morning, so I took the "nextmtg" script
> > (informs you of the next pm meeting) from the front page
> > (http://omaha.pm.org/nextmtg_pl.txt) and turned it into a gui.
> >
> > Attached is also an rpm which should work with any Fedora/RH system.
> > Note that you may have to install a few modules (Gtk2, Gnome2) if
> > you're interested. It's not fully tested, but at least appears to
> > work. It doesn't need Fedora, though - it can be run manually.
>
> I don't run X-Windows anywhere. Can you post a screen shot? (Or
> an OS X Widget? -grin-)

See attached.

>
> I've been meaning to rewrite the Date::Calc stuff in that script into Class::Date, but haven't gotten around to it.

I took some liberties with what was there so it would come out in a
format that Gtk2::Calendar would accept. Most of the script is still
intact, although now in the form of a subroutine.
>
> > This program reminded me that unfortunately I'll be out of town during
> > the next meeting...
>
> Sorry to hear that. Hope you can make it out soon!
>
> j
>
Looking forward to it! :)
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From jay at jays.net  Tue May  2 17:57:53 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:57:53 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <9ac12b1c0605021426l184af3f4j7e33495aaa48e4de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9ac12b1c0604301541k57e28e34l9905b5ab7a7bf53c@mail.gmail.com>	<4457345F.1040005@jays.net>
	<9ac12b1c0605021426l184af3f4j7e33495aaa48e4de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44580011.7080707@jays.net>

Dave M wrote:
>> I don't run X-Windows anywhere. Can you post a screen shot? (Or
>> an OS X Widget? -grin-)
> 
> See attached.

Slick. Maybe you could map the whole ITinOmaha.org database? Talk them into providing an XML dump like their FAQs says. :)

http://omaha.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?OmahaUserGroups

>> I've been meaning to rewrite the Date::Calc stuff in that script into 
>> Class::Date, but haven't gotten around to it.
> 
> I took some liberties with what was there so it would come out in a
> format that Gtk2::Calendar would accept. Most of the script is still
> intact, although now in the form of a subroutine.

New and improved:

http://omaha.pm.org/nextmtg_pl.txt

:)

j



From dave.nerd at gmail.com  Tue May  2 18:08:47 2006
From: dave.nerd at gmail.com (Dave M)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:08:47 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <44580011.7080707@jays.net>
References: <9ac12b1c0604301541k57e28e34l9905b5ab7a7bf53c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4457345F.1040005@jays.net>
	<9ac12b1c0605021426l184af3f4j7e33495aaa48e4de@mail.gmail.com>
	<44580011.7080707@jays.net>
Message-ID: <9ac12b1c0605021808x2cc4414btd396c0b04b8d60e@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/2/06, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:
> Dave M wrote:
> >> I don't run X-Windows anywhere. Can you post a screen shot? (Or
> >> an OS X Widget? -grin-)
> >
> > See attached.
>
> Slick. Maybe you could map the whole ITinOmaha.org database? Talk them into providing an XML dump like their FAQs says. :)
>
> http://omaha.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?OmahaUserGroups

hmmm.  I wonder how hard that would be? That would be a great learning
experience for me as well... and a nice break from the usual things I
work on. Guess I'll ask them about the XML dump first
(http://itinomaha.org/index.php/faqs/#22).

>
> >> I've been meaning to rewrite the Date::Calc stuff in that script into
> >> Class::Date, but haven't gotten around to it.
> >
> > I took some liberties with what was there so it would come out in a
> > format that Gtk2::Calendar would accept. Most of the script is still
> > intact, although now in the form of a subroutine.
>
> New and improved:
>
> http://omaha.pm.org/nextmtg_pl.txt

Nice. I'll work that into version 0.02. :)
>
> :)
>
> j
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha-pm mailing list
> Omaha-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm
>

From jay at jays.net  Wed May  3 14:55:14 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:55:14 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] [Fwd: Re: [pm_groups] Calculate next meeting date]
Message-ID: <445926C2.9070008@jays.net>

-laugh- !!

j


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [pm_groups] Calculate next meeting date
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:28:50 -0600
From: Marcelo E. Magall?n <marcelo.magallon at gmail.com>
To: pm_groups at pm.org
References: <445802EC.5030102 at jays.net>

On 5/2/06, Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote:

> This is a pretty slick combination of Date::Calc and Class::Date, IMHO:

Cute...

> Anyone have a tighter version?  :)

Are you seriously asking for golf?  Fooooooore!

--------------------------------- 8< ---------------------------------
#!/usr/bin/perl -l

use strict; # just for the fun of ...
use warnings; # ... making golf funnier
use POSIX qw/mktime/;

my $target_wday = shift; # 0 is Sunday
my $target_index = shift; # 1 is the first, 2 the second, ...

my ($d, $m, $y, $first, $day) = (localtime)[3..5];
for (0 .. 1)
{
    $first = (localtime mktime(0, 0, 0, 0, $m, $y))[6];
    $day = 7*($target_index-1)+1+(6-$first+$target_wday)%7;
    $day < $d ? $m++ : last;
}
print scalar localtime mktime(0, 0, 0, $day, $m, $y);
--------------------------------- >8 ---------------------------------

Not really golf, but it's going that way...

Marcelo
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From jay at jays.net  Wed May  3 14:59:48 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:59:48 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] [pm_groups] Calculate next meeting date
Message-ID: <445927D4.3060307@jays.net>


:)

j


-------- Original Message --------
From: Flavio S. Glock <fglock at pucrs.br>
To: Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net>
CC: pm_groups at pm.org

Jay Hannah wrote:
> This is a pretty slick combination of Date::Calc and Class::Date, IMHO:
> 
> http://omaha.pm.org/nextmtg_pl.txt
> 
>    (In action: http://omaha.pm.org)
> 
> Anyone have a tighter version?  :)

----
#!/usr/bin/perl
#
# Our meetings are held the 2nd Tuesday of every month. Figure out when
# the next meeting is.

use DateTime;
use DateTime::Event::ICal;

my $set = DateTime::Event::ICal->recur(
     freq =>    'monthly',
     byday =>   '2tu',
);

my $dt = DateTime->today;

my $dt_next = $set->next( $dt );
print $dt_next;
----

- Flavio S. Glock

From jay at jays.net  Wed May  3 15:00:29 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:00:29 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] [pm_groups] Calculate next meeting date
Message-ID: <445927FD.7020302@jays.net>


:)

j


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [pm_groups] Calculate next meeting date
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:37:35 +0200
From: Harald Joerg <haj at oook.m.uunet.de>
To: pm_groups at pm.org
References: <445802EC.5030102 at jays.net>

Jay Hannah writes:

> This is a pretty slick combination of Date::Calc and Class::Date, IMHO:
>
> http://omaha.pm.org/nextmtg_pl.txt
>
>    (In action: http://omaha.pm.org)
>
> Anyone have a tighter version?  :)

At Munich.pm, we're meeting at the third wednesday in odd months.  We
had an internal perlgolf competition about that, and this has been the
winner (the task was to output the *two* next meetings in ISO format):

($/,$%,$.,$-)=(gmtime($^T+=86400))[3..6]while($/-18)/4|$%%2|$--3||++$"&printf 1900+$.."-%02d-$/\n",++$%

On the last meeting it has been shortened by some bytes in a
collaborative effort, but I seem to have lost the results.
-- 
Cheers,
haj (Munich.pm)

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From jay at jays.net  Wed May  3 15:01:23 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] [Fwd: Re: [pm_groups] Calculate next meeting date]
Message-ID: <44592833.6020702@jays.net>


Ya, someone explain this one to me!!

j


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [pm_groups] Calculate next meeting date
From: Jerome Quelin <jquelin at gmail.com>
To: Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net>
CC: pm_groups at pm.org

On 06/05/02 20:10 -0500, Jay Hannah wrote:
> This is a pretty slick combination of Date::Calc and Class::Date, IMHO:
> http://omaha.pm.org/nextmtg_pl.txt

not sure it's what you want to hear, but lyon.pm's monthly meeting, held
every last thursday, is computed as:

        $ LC_ALL=C cal | perl -aple '$x=$F[4]||$x}{$_=$x'
 
regards,
jerome
-- 
jquelin at gmail.com

From jay at jays.net  Wed May  3 15:10:03 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] [Fwd: O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes]
Message-ID: <44592A3B.3070805@jays.net>

Discount code "DSUG" gives you 30%-35% off on oreilly.com.

(O'Reilly has contributed many books to our book library for free, hence the plug.)

j


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:16:34 -0700
From: Marsee Henon <marsee at oreilly.com>
To: jay at jays.net

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From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Fri May  5 11:54:26 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:54:26 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Next Meeting: Tue, 09 May 2006 @ 7pm!
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432C71@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>


http://omaha.pm.org/

Meetings are held here: 

  Reboot the User (RTU)
  13416 A Street
  Omaha, NE 68144
  (402) 933-6449 
  Lost? Jay's mobile phone: 402-578-3976 

Meetings are sponsored by Paragon IT Professionals. Thanks Chad Hendren!
Free food is good! 

j

From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Tue May  9 07:36:46 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:36:46 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] FW: reflection examples needed
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CA2@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>

 
Wow. Anyone Perl + .NET gurus feeling saucy enough to tackle that one?

Grin,

j


-----Original Message-----
From: Bergners, Andrei <andrei.bergners at gs.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:44 AM
To: perl.net at listserv.ActiveState.com
Subject: reflection examples needed

Hi,
 Does anyone have any examples of Perl code which can load .NET
assemblies and perform some reflection on them (eg., to query manifest
information).
 As a first project in PerlNet I want to do strong name verification on
assemblies that we build.
 
thanks
andrei

From ryan at cfwebtools.com  Tue May  9 08:21:46 2006
From: ryan at cfwebtools.com (Ryan Stille)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:21:46 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] meeting topic?
Message-ID: <4460B38A.4090005@cfwebtools.com>

What is the meeting topic tonight?  Sorry if it was already posted and I 
missed it, I went through my inbox but didn't find anything.

-Ryan



From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Wed May 10 11:34:31 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:34:31 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Devel::Timer
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC7@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>

Ooo... I need one of these today. New toy!

http://search.cpan.org/~jmoore/Devel-Timer-0.01/Timer.pm

I love how every time I have a "wouldn't it be great if" idea someone
has written it already and put it in CPAN.

j


From mat at phpconsulting.com  Wed May 10 12:55:23 2006
From: mat at phpconsulting.com (Mat Caughron)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:55:23 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm]  Devel::Timer useful for MySQL performance tuning
In-Reply-To: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC7@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC7@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
Message-ID: <20060510145044.N14767@.cucpbafhygvat>

Jay et al:

The MySQL TIMESTAMP doesn't really go beyond seconds (there are some hacks 
for milliseconds but that also isn't likely to be good enough)  which 
makes performance tuning with native SQL difficult at best.  So the next 
best thing would be to break complex queries into pieces and let your 
application handle high-res time resolution for each beginning and 
ending each piece.
    (  http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/time.html  )

Thanks for pointing this one out!



Mat Caughron




On Wed, 10 May 2006, Jay Hannah wrote:

> Ooo... I need one of these today. New toy!
>
> http://search.cpan.org/~jmoore/Devel-Timer-0.01/Timer.pm
>
> I love how every time I have a "wouldn't it be great if" idea someone
> has written it already and put it in CPAN.
>
> j
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha-pm mailing list
> Omaha-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha-pm
>

From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Wed May 10 13:11:00 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:11:00 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] OSCON 2006
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC9@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>

		
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/46/sessions.html

Wow. Sweet. I'm going! Yay!

j

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Wed May 10 13:25:48 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:25:48 -0400
Subject: [Omaha.pm] OSCON 2006
In-Reply-To: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC9@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC9@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
Message-ID: <49d805d70605101325p17457af7v97f0e5ad8bd2b4fe@mail.gmail.com>

> http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/46/sessions.html
>
> Wow. Sweet. I'm going! Yay!

More importantly, are you going here:
http://yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/full-schedule

... Sorry, I just had to do it :)

From andy at petdance.com  Wed May 10 13:55:48 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:55:48 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] OSCON 2006
In-Reply-To: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC9@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC9@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
Message-ID: <78A12887-F1B5-4526-A3B2-79C4A82D688E@petdance.com>


On May 10, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:

> http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/46/sessions.html
>
> Wow. Sweet. I'm going! Yay!

Is there something on that page we should be seeing?  Are you speaking?

xoa

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From jay at jays.net  Thu May 11 05:42:52 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:42:52 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] OSCON 2006
In-Reply-To: <78A12887-F1B5-4526-A3B2-79C4A82D688E@petdance.com>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CC9@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
	<78A12887-F1B5-4526-A3B2-79C4A82D688E@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <4463314C.8070208@jays.net>

Andy Lester wrote:
>> http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/46/sessions.html
>> http://yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/full-schedule
>
> Is there something on that page we should be seeing?  Are you speaking?

No, I was just grunting and drooling over all the cool sessions. YAPC looks great too!

j



From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Thu May 11 09:25:22 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:25:22 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] [patch] Devel::Timer
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432CDA@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>


Hi Jason --

I just discovered Devel::Timer. I love it! Thanks for putting it on
CPAN!

I'm trying to use it for timing some critical junctures in some of my
enormous programs. The problem I was having is that my combinations of
marks are hit dozens or hundreds of times as the program interates. That
makes the report() output pages and pages long, and not very useful.

So I added a couple new report() features. :)

Here's a sample program for you to see what my patch does:

---
$ cat j.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl

use Devel::Timer;

my $t = Devel::Timer->new();
for (1..3) {
   $t->mark("something begin");
   sleep $_;
   $t->mark("something end");
}

sleep 1;
$t->mark("END");

print "\$t->report;\n\n";
$t->report;
print "\n\n";

print "\$t->report(collapse => 1);\n\n";
$t->report(collapse => 1);
print "\n\n";

print "\$t->report(collapse => 1, sort_by => 'count');\n\n";
$t->report(collapse => 1, sort_by => 'count');
---

Simple enough. The standard report() looks like this:

$t->report;

Devel::Timer Report -- Total time: 7.0028 secs
Interval  Time    Percent
----------------------------------------------
05 -> 06  3.0006  42.85%  something begin -> something end
03 -> 04  2.0007  28.57%  something begin -> something end
06 -> 07  1.0009  14.29%  something end -> END
01 -> 02  1.0004  14.29%  something begin -> something end
00 -> 01  0.0000   0.00%  INIT -> something begin
04 -> 05  0.0000   0.00%  something end -> something begin
02 -> 03  0.0000   0.00%  something end -> something begin

Which is great for small or non-iterative programs, but if there's
hundreds of loops of "something begin -> something end" the report gets
very painful very quickly. :)

So I wrote a collapse feature that people can activate if they want to:

$t->report(collapse => 1);

Devel::Timer Report -- Total time: 7.0028 secs
Count     Time    Percent
----------------------------------------------
       3  6.0018  85.71%  something begin -> something end
       1  1.0009  14.29%  something end -> END
       2  0.0001   0.00%  something end -> something begin
       1  0.0000   0.00%  INIT -> something begin

The stats for all combinations of labels are added together. 

I also added a sort_by feature. By default the report is sorted by total
time spent (like the default report()), but you can sort by count
instead if you want:

$t->report(collapse => 1, sort_by => 'count');

Devel::Timer Report -- Total time: 7.0028 secs
Count     Time    Percent
----------------------------------------------
       3  6.0018  85.71%  something begin -> something end
       2  0.0001   0.00%  something end -> something begin
       1  0.0000   0.00%  INIT -> something begin
       1  1.0009  14.29%  something end -> END

Pretty neat huh? Awfully handy for me anyway. :)

I didn't write any POD yet because I thought you might want to change
the interface.

My patch is below. Thoughts?

Thanks again,

j




$ diff -ruN Timer_orig.pm Timer.pm
--- Timer_orig.pm       2006-05-10 15:43:03.000000000 -0500
+++ Timer.pm    2006-05-11 11:10:36.000000000 -0500
@@ -76,7 +76,7 @@

 sub report
 {
-    my $self = shift;
+    my ($self, %args) = @_;

     ## calculate total time (start time vs last time)

@@ -84,9 +84,31 @@

     $self->print("\n");
     $self->print(ref($self) . " Report -- Total time: " .
sprintf("%.4f", $total_time) . " secs");
+
+    if ($args{collapse})
+    {
+       $self->calculate_collapsed;
+
+       $self->print("Count     Time    Percent");
+       $self->print("----------------------------------------------");
+
+       my $c = $self->{collapsed};
+       my $sort_by = $args{sort_by} || "time";
+       my @labels = sort { $c->{$b}->{$sort_by} <=>
$c->{$a}->{$sort_by} } keys %$c;
+       foreach (@labels)
+       {
+           my $count = $c->{$_}->{count};
+           my $time = $c->{$_}->{time};
+           my $msg = sprintf("%8s  %.4f  %5.2f%%  %s",
+               ($count, $time, (($time/$total_time)*100), $_));
+           $self->print($msg);
+       }
+       return 1;
+    }
+
     $self->print("Interval  Time    Percent");
     $self->print("----------------------------------------------");
-
+
     ## sort interval structure based on value

     @{$self->{intervals}} = sort { $b->{value} <=> $a->{value} }
@{$self->{intervals}};
@@ -111,6 +133,23 @@
     }
 }

+
+sub calculate_collapsed
+{
+    my ($self) = @_;
+
+    my %collapsed;
+    foreach my $i (0 .. $self->{count} - 2)
+    {
+        my $label = $self->{label}->{$i} . ' -> ' . $self->{label}->{$i
+ 1};
+        my $time = Time::HiRes::tv_interval($self->{times}->[$i],
$self->{times}->[$i + 1]);
+        $collapsed{$label}{time} += $time;
+        $collapsed{$label}{count}++;
+    }
+    $self->{collapsed} = \%collapsed;
+}
+
+
 ## output methods
 ## note: if you want to send output to somewhere other than stderr,
 ##       you can override the print() method below.  The initialize()



From jay at jays.net  Fri May 12 05:43:04 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:43:04 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Unicode Extract
In-Reply-To: <5ad2dbbf0604141838mfaea182p884480d4451e6d0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5ad2dbbf0604141838mfaea182p884480d4451e6d0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446482D8.5070101@jays.net>

Jon Lonowski wrote:
> Is there a method for extracting the unicde value from a one-character string??
> 
> $int = extuni(substr($char,0,1));
> 
> substr() to ensure that only one character is passed through.

Hey Jon --

Did you get that figured out? Sorry for the resounding silence to your post. I haven't worked with unicode and apparently no one else on this list has either. :)

j



From jay at jays.net  Fri May 12 05:51:17 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:51:17 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: Calculate next meeting date
Message-ID: <446484C5.8010405@jays.net>

:)

j


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [pm_groups] Calculate next meeting date
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:51:16 +1200
From: Grant McLean (Wellington.PM) <perlmongers at catalyst.net.nz>

On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 20:10 -0500, Jay Hannah wrote:
> This is a pretty slick combination of Date::Calc and Class::Date, IMHO:
> 
> http://omaha.pm.org/nextmtg_pl.txt
> 
>    (In action: http://omaha.pm.org)
> 
> Anyone have a tighter version?  :)

How about:

  use Date::Manip;

  my $next_month = 
    UnixDate(DateCalc(ParseDate("1st"), "+ 1 month"), "%b %Y");

  print ParseDate("2nd Tuesday of $next_month")

One part of the Date::Manip POD seemed to suggest that ParseDate() would
directly understand a string like "2nd Tuesday of next month", but I
couldn't get that to work.

Regards
Grant


From dan at linder.org  Sat May 13 22:37:29 2006
From: dan at linder.org (Daniel Linder)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 00:37:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl regexp problem...
Message-ID: <55007.68.13.86.85.1147585049.squirrel@mail.linder.org>





In a program (which supposedly uses Perl for the back-end), it has a
filter field that I can define using Perl regexp expressions.



For example, this line:

^var1=(?i)(.*)(5705)(.*)

will find all lines that begin with "var1=", followed byt any
characters, then 5705, then any other characters.? This filter works
fine.



What I want to do is write a filter that finds the opposite lines; i.e all
lines that begin with "var1=" but do not have 5705 in their
value.? I tried

^var1=(?i)(.*)(^5705)(.*)

but that didn't work...



Any ideas?? 



Dan



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From andy at petdance.com  Sat May 13 23:14:51 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 01:14:51 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl regexp problem...
In-Reply-To: <55007.68.13.86.85.1147585049.squirrel@mail.linder.org>
References: <55007.68.13.86.85.1147585049.squirrel@mail.linder.org>
Message-ID: <20060514061451.GB7603@petdance.com>

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 12:37:29AM -0500, Daniel Linder (dan at linder.org) wrote:
> For example, this line:
> 
> ^var1=(?i)(.*)(5705)(.*)
> 
> will find all lines that begin with "var1=", followed byt any
> characters, then 5705, then any other characters.? This filter works
> fine.

Actually, that breaks down to

    ^var1=      beginning of the line, and then "var1="
    (?i)        an optional "i"
    (.*)        any string
    (5705)      the string "5705"
    (.*)        any other string

The (.*) at the end is useless because it will always match in this
case, and at the end of the line, you don't care.


> What I want to do is write a filter that finds the opposite lines; i.e all
> lines that begin with "var1=" but do not have 5705 in their
> value.? I tried
> 
> ^var1=(?i)(.*)(^5705)(.*)
> 
> but that didn't work...

That's because the ^ is only negation in a character set, as when you
say [^aeiou] to mean "any character except the vowels".

Probably the simplest way to do this is to have two regexes.

    if ( $line =~ /^var1=/ && $line !~ /5705/ ) {

This says "If it starts with var1=, and it doesn't match 5705 anywhere",
then $line matches.

xoa
-- 
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

From dave.nerd at gmail.com  Sun May 14 08:44:45 2006
From: dave.nerd at gmail.com (Dave M)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] benchmark and md5sum
Message-ID: <9ac12b1c0605140844p5eca79fbjb0b84a07b5dac7c7@mail.gmail.com>

I often use the same md5 subroutine in all my scripts for various
reasons. Recently I saw another way to read it in, and it appears to
be faster:

#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;
use Benchmark qw/cmpthese/;
use Digest::MD5 qw/md5_hex/;
$|++;

my $dir   = '/some/dir';
my @files = glob "$dir/*";

cmpthese(
    10,
    {   my_way => sub {
            foreach my $file (@files) {
                next if -d $file;
                open( FH, "<", $file ) or die "blah: $!\n";
                my $slurp  = do { local $/; <FH> };
                my $md5sum = Digest::MD5::md5_hex($slurp);

                # print "md5sum for $file = $md5sum\n";
                close(FH);
            }
        },
        new_way => sub {
            foreach my $file (@files) {
                next if -d $file;
                open( FH, "<", $file ) or die "blah: $!\n";
                binmode(FH);
                my $md5sum = Digest::MD5->new->addfile(*FH)->hexdigest;

                # print "md5sum for $file = $md5sum\n";
                close(FH);
            }
            }
    }
);

Which results in this:

                     s/iter    my_way other_way
my_way      2.04        --            -45%
new_way   1.12       82%        --

So, besides the fact that I suffer from code-reuse, am I reading this
right? I'm not a benchmark guru, but I understand that the results are
displayed from slowest to fastest...

Dave M

From andy at petdance.com  Sun May 14 11:57:06 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:57:06 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] benchmark and md5sum
In-Reply-To: <9ac12b1c0605140844p5eca79fbjb0b84a07b5dac7c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9ac12b1c0605140844p5eca79fbjb0b84a07b5dac7c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E533068B-F4C7-405C-8F1E-7603D12291A5@petdance.com>


On May 14, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Dave M wrote:

> I often use the same md5 subroutine in all my scripts for various
> reasons. Recently I saw another way to read it in, and it appears to
> be faster:

The #1 rule of benchmarking is to pull out as much irrelevant stuff  
as you can.  For instance, the check for -d $file should be done  
outside of the benchmarked functions.  It's the same in both  
functions, and skew your results.  What if that check for the  
directory turns out to be 90% of the runtime in both cases?

Other than that, I don't see anything else to pull out, though.

You might want to try this:

                 my $slurp  = do { local $/; <FH> };
                 my $md5sum = Digest::MD5::md5_hex($slurp);

as

                 local $/;
                 my $md5sum = Digest::MD5::md5_hex(<FH>);

This removes the assignment of a local variable which you're then  
going to copy.

xoa



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From dan at linder.org  Tue May 16 09:28:09 2006
From: dan at linder.org (Daniel Linder)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:28:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Perl regexp problem...
In-Reply-To: <20060514061451.GB7603@petdance.com>
References: <55007.68.13.86.85.1147585049.squirrel@mail.linder.org>
	<20060514061451.GB7603@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <38931.63.230.40.25.1147796889.squirrel@mail.linder.org>



Andy,



Thanks for the input.? The original problem came from a co-worker of
mine who is limited by the third-party program that? only allows the
simple regular expression in a text box, so the loop (which was my first
though, too) won't work.



If I come up with anything that works I'll be sure to tell everyone.



Dan



On Sun, May 14, 2006 01:14, Andy Lester wrote:

> On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 12:37:29AM -0500, Daniel Linder
(dan at linder.org)

> wrote:

>> For example, this line:

>>

>> ^var1=(?i)(.*)(5705)(.*)

>>

>> will find all lines that begin with "var1=", followed
byt any

>> characters, then 5705, then any other characters.  This filter
works

>> fine.

> 

> Actually, that breaks down to

> 

>     ^var1=      beginning of the line, and then "var1="

>     (?i)        an optional "i"

>     (.*)        any string

>     (5705)      the string "5705"

>     (.*)        any other string

> 

> The (.*) at the end is useless because it will always match in this

> case, and at the end of the line, you don't care.

> 

> 

>> What I want to do is write a filter that finds the opposite
lines; i.e

>> all

>> lines that begin with "var1=" but do not have 5705 in
their

>> value.  I tried

>>

>> ^var1=(?i)(.*)(^5705)(.*)

>>

>> but that didn't work...

> 

> That's because the ^ is only negation in a character set, as when
you

> say [^aeiou] to mean "any character except the vowels".

> 

> Probably the simplest way to do this is to have two regexes.

> 

>     if ( $line =~ /^var1=/ && $line !~ /5705/ ) {

> 

> This says "If it starts with var1=, and it doesn't match 5705
anywhere",

> then $line matches.

> 

> xoa

> --

> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com =>
AIM:petdance

> 





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From jay at jays.net  Thu May 18 05:56:00 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:56:00 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] [Fwd: User Groups: Apress Spring Newsletter Finally
	Here!]
Message-ID: <446C6EE0.9090702@jays.net>


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j



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From dan at linder.org  Thu May 18 08:19:41 2006
From: dan at linder.org (Daniel Linder)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:19:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Detecting interactive console vs. in a script.
Message-ID: <59188.63.230.40.25.1147965581.squirrel@mail.linder.org>



Has anyone seen a good way to determine if a Perl script is running on an
interactive console vs. within a shell or Perl script?? I have a code
snippet that I want to print more text to a console for the user to view,
but if it is within a script I don't want to clutter its output.



On the Solaris system I'm running, I tried the "tty" command,
but both return "/dev/pts/8" when called from the command line
and within a script.? The closest thing I can come to is the shell
variable $_: "-l" for interactive, and
"./<scriptname>" if run from a script.



Any other ideas?



Dan



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From andy at petdance.com  Thu May 18 08:48:54 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:48:54 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Detecting interactive console vs. in a script.
In-Reply-To: <59188.63.230.40.25.1147965581.squirrel@mail.linder.org>
References: <59188.63.230.40.25.1147965581.squirrel@mail.linder.org>
Message-ID: <C2E74C11-27E6-4077-B195-4953680B39B5@petdance.com>


On May 18, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Daniel Linder wrote:

> Has anyone seen a good way to determine if a Perl script is running  
> on an interactive console vs. within a shell or Perl script?  I  
> have a code snippet that I want to print more text to a console for  
> the user to view, but if it is within a script I don't want to  
> clutter its output.

This is covered in detail in the FAQ.

$ perldoc -q interactive

Found in /System/Library/Perl/5.8.6/pods/perlfaq8.pod
        How do I find out if I?m running interactively or not?


--
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From dan at linder.org  Thu May 18 14:24:54 2006
From: dan at linder.org (Daniel Linder)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:24:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Detecting interactive console vs. in a script.
In-Reply-To: <C2E74C11-27E6-4077-B195-4953680B39B5@petdance.com>
References: <59188.63.230.40.25.1147965581.squirrel@mail.linder.org>
	<C2E74C11-27E6-4077-B195-4953680B39B5@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <57931.63.230.40.25.1147987494.squirrel@mail.linder.org>



Thanks -- don't know how my Googl'ing missed that...



Guess I won't have to re-invent the wheel. :)



Dan



On Thu, May 18, 2006 10:48, Andy Lester wrote:

> 

> On May 18, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Daniel Linder wrote:

> 

>> Has anyone seen a good way to determine if a Perl script is
running

>> on an interactive console vs. within a shell or Perl script?  I

>> have a code snippet that I want to print more text to a console
for

>> the user to view, but if it is within a script I don't want to

>> clutter its output.

> 

> This is covered in detail in the FAQ.

> 

> $ perldoc -q interactive

> 

> Found in /System/Library/Perl/5.8.6/pods/perlfaq8.pod

>         How do I find out if I&rsquo;m running interactively or
not?

> 

> 

> --

> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com =>
AIM:petdance

> 

> 

> 

> 





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From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Fri May 19 08:31:28 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:31:28 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] rename, link
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D42@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>

Huh. "perldoc perlfunc":

       rename OLDNAME,NEWNAME
               Changes the name of a file; an existing file NEW-
               NAME will be clobbered.  Returns true for success,
               false otherwise.

               Behavior of this function varies wildly depending
               on your system implementation.  For example, it
               will usually not work across file system bound-
               aries, even though the system mv command sometimes
               compensates for this.  Other restrictions include
               whether it works on directories, open files, or
               pre-existing files.  Check perlport and either the
               rename(2) manpage or equivalent system documenta-
               tion for details.

So I wonder if its better to just system() out to "mv" on Linux if I
don't care about portability?

  @sysargs = ('mv', "$outbound/$file",
"/datamining/intrasight/CRS/archive");
  system (@sysargs);

vs

  rename("$outbound/$file", "/datamining/intrasight/CRS/archive/$file");

...?

And then 

       link OLDFILE,NEWFILE
               Creates a new filename linked to the old filename.
               Returns true for success, false otherwise.

Is that the same thing as making a system() call to "cp" on Linux?
symlink() is for symbolic links, link() is the same thing as "cp"?

Or would I be cooler if I just used some File::* class off CPAN
nowadays? -grin-

j


From andy at petdance.com  Fri May 19 08:41:53 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:41:53 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] rename, link
In-Reply-To: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D42@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D42@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
Message-ID: <CFB3F35A-85E8-4C47-9760-EF486C4FF07F@petdance.com>

>
> So I wonder if its better to just system() out to "mv" on Linux if I
> don't care about portability?
>
>   @sysargs = ('mv', "$outbound/$file",
> "/datamining/intrasight/CRS/archive");
>   system (@sysargs);

Yes.

>
> Is that the same thing as making a system() call to "cp" on Linux?
> symlink() is for symbolic links, link() is the same thing as "cp"?

no, link() is for hard links.

> Or would I be cooler if I just used some File::* class off CPAN
> nowadays? -grin-

File::Copy has been core since 5.002.

xoa

--
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From dave.nerd at gmail.com  Fri May 19 10:03:53 2006
From: dave.nerd at gmail.com (Dave M)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:03:53 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] rename, link
In-Reply-To: <CFB3F35A-85E8-4C47-9760-EF486C4FF07F@petdance.com>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D42@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
	<CFB3F35A-85E8-4C47-9760-EF486C4FF07F@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <9ac12b1c0605191003n18dcae20h72c6fe2b18560ff6@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/19/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> >
> > So I wonder if its better to just system() out to "mv" on Linux if I
> > don't care about portability?
> >
> >   @sysargs = ('mv', "$outbound/$file",
> > "/datamining/intrasight/CRS/archive");
> >   system (@sysargs);
>
> Yes.
>

Andy,

Can you explain why it's better than File::Copy's mv? Just curious,
that's all. I'm using mv in one of my programs, although for the life
of me I can't remember why I decided to use it instead of 'system'.

Thanks,
Dave

From dave.nerd at gmail.com  Fri May 19 10:03:53 2006
From: dave.nerd at gmail.com (Dave M)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:03:53 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] rename, link
In-Reply-To: <CFB3F35A-85E8-4C47-9760-EF486C4FF07F@petdance.com>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D42@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
	<CFB3F35A-85E8-4C47-9760-EF486C4FF07F@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <9ac12b1c0605191003n18dcae20h72c6fe2b18560ff6@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/19/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
> >
> > So I wonder if its better to just system() out to "mv" on Linux if I
> > don't care about portability?
> >
> >   @sysargs = ('mv', "$outbound/$file",
> > "/datamining/intrasight/CRS/archive");
> >   system (@sysargs);
>
> Yes.
>

Andy,

Can you explain why it's better than File::Copy's mv? Just curious,
that's all. I'm using mv in one of my programs, although for the life
of me I can't remember why I decided to use it instead of 'system'.

Thanks,
Dave

From andy at petdance.com  Fri May 19 10:58:02 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:58:02 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] rename, link
In-Reply-To: <9ac12b1c0605191003n18dcae20h72c6fe2b18560ff6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D42@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
	<CFB3F35A-85E8-4C47-9760-EF486C4FF07F@petdance.com>
	<9ac12b1c0605191003n18dcae20h72c6fe2b18560ff6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <320CE675-EAAF-43D9-9E0D-C3C0E1099A3D@petdance.com>

> Can you explain why it's better than File::Copy's mv? Just curious,
> that's all. I'm using mv in one of my programs, although for the life
> of me I can't remember why I decided to use it instead of 'system'.

I'm sorry, I misread that.  I saw "possible" not "better".

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From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Mon May 22 14:02:28 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>


before:

   for ($j = 0; $j < @row; $j++) {
      $row[$j] =~ s/[^ -~]//g;
      $row[$j] =~ s/\|/:/g;
   }

after:

   for (@row) {
      s/[^ -~]//g;
      s/\|/:/g;
   }

j

From andy at petdance.com  Mon May 22 14:14:24 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:14:24 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
Message-ID: <095DB7DC-2F40-4E9E-8C69-DCA42BE57141@petdance.com>

>
> after:
>
>    for (@row) {
>       s/[^ -~]//g;
>       s/\|/:/g;
>    }

Beautiful.  Getting out of the C mindset of keeping a loop index is  
one of the big steps into Perl mastery.

Note that in this example, there's an implicit $_ being used as the  
loop variable.  You can also make it explicit:

for my $entry (@row) {
     $entry =~ s/...../;
}

In this case, although it looks like $entry is a temporary variable,  
and that changes to $entry will get thrown away, that's not the  
case.  $entry is an alias to the iterated variable.

xoa


--
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From kiranbina at gmail.com  Mon May 22 19:22:52 2006
From: kiranbina at gmail.com (Dr. Dhundy R. Bastola)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:22:52 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <095DB7DC-2F40-4E9E-8C69-DCA42BE57141@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <4472720c.3921b9f6.355c.fffffd1f@mx.gmail.com>

I really appreciate when Andy breaks it up and makes people like us feel
welcome. I wanted to let you know that you are helping people like me learn
well by doing so. Thanks
Kiran

-----Original Message-----
From: omaha-pm-bounces+kiranbina=gmail.com at pm.org
[mailto:omaha-pm-bounces+kiranbina=gmail.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Lester
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:14 PM
To: Perl Mongers of Omaha, Nebraska USA
Subject: Re: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie

>
> after:
>
>    for (@row) {
>       s/[^ -~]//g;
>       s/\|/:/g;
>    }

Beautiful.  Getting out of the C mindset of keeping a loop index is  
one of the big steps into Perl mastery.

Note that in this example, there's an implicit $_ being used as the  
loop variable.  You can also make it explicit:

for my $entry (@row) {
     $entry =~ s/...../;
}

In this case, although it looks like $entry is a temporary variable,  
and that changes to $entry will get thrown away, that's not the  
case.  $entry is an alias to the iterated variable.

xoa


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From dan at linder.org  Mon May 22 20:47:58 2006
From: dan at linder.org (Daniel Linder)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:47:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
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On Mon, May 22, 2006 16:02, Jay Hannah wrote:

> before:

>    for ($j = 0; $j < @row; $j++) {

>       $row[$j] =~ s/[^ -~]//g;

>       $row[$j] =~ s/\|/:/g;

>    }

> 

> after:

>    for (@row) {

>       s/[^ -~]//g;

>       s/\|/:/g;

>    }



Ok, Jay -- which one is faster?? I am pretty sure it's the second
one, but I'm interested in how much.



(Thought I'd ask since you're always benchmarking ...)



Dan



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From jay at jays.net  Tue May 23 03:14:17 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 05:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <1949.68.13.86.85.1148356078.squirrel@mail.linder.org>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
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Message-ID: <4472E079.6090208@jays.net>

Daniel Linder wrote:
> Ok, Jay -- which one is faster?  I am pretty sure it's the second one, 
> but I'm interested in how much.
> 
> (Thought I'd ask since you're always benchmarking ...)

Looks like "after" is almost twice as efficient... Interesting how my wallclock secs bounced around. I guess my Mac was busy doing something else a couple times. :)

j


$ cat j.pl
use Benchmark qw(:all);

my @row = (a..z);
timethese(100000, {
   'Before' => sub { before() },
   'After'  => sub { after() }
});


sub before {
  for ($j = 0; $j < @row; $j++) {
    $row[$j] =~ s/[^ -~]//g;
    $row[$j] =~ s/\|/:/g;
  }
}

sub after {
  for (@row) {
    s/[^ -~]//g;
    s/\|/:/g;
  }
}

$ perl j.pl
Benchmark: timing 100000 iterations of After, Before...
     After:  2 wallclock secs ( 1.42 usr +  0.01 sys =  1.43 CPU) @ 69930.07/s (n=100000)
    Before:  2 wallclock secs ( 2.53 usr +  0.00 sys =  2.53 CPU) @ 39525.69/s (n=100000)
$ perl j.pl
Benchmark: timing 100000 iterations of After, Before...
     After:  1 wallclock secs ( 1.43 usr +  0.01 sys =  1.44 CPU) @ 69444.44/s (n=100000)
    Before:  3 wallclock secs ( 2.51 usr +  0.00 sys =  2.51 CPU) @ 39840.64/s (n=100000)
$ perl j.pl
Benchmark: timing 100000 iterations of After, Before...
     After:  1 wallclock secs ( 1.42 usr +  0.01 sys =  1.43 CPU) @ 69930.07/s (n=100000)
    Before:  1 wallclock secs ( 2.51 usr +  0.00 sys =  2.51 CPU) @ 39840.64/s (n=100000)
$ perl j.pl
Benchmark: timing 100000 iterations of After, Before...
     After:  1 wallclock secs ( 1.43 usr +  0.01 sys =  1.44 CPU) @ 69444.44/s (n=100000)
    Before:  1 wallclock secs ( 2.52 usr +  0.00 sys =  2.52 CPU) @ 39682.54/s (n=100000)


From jay at jays.net  Tue May 23 05:22:43 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:22:43 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Devel::Timer, Jason Moore
Message-ID: <4472FE93.3010201@jays.net>

I recently submitted a patch to Devel::Timer to the author:

http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/omaha-pm/2006-May/000989.html

But his email address bounced. I Google'd the heck out of him, but can't seem find him anywhere.

http://search.cpan.org/~jmoore/

Anyone have a way to contact Jason?

If not, I'm volunteering to take over maintenance of Devel::Timer. I've been using CPAN for years, but haven't been an author, so if the powers that be are hep to letting me take over maintenance I'll read all the FAQs and dive in.

Let me know. Thanks,

j
Omaha.pm
Only posting to NNTP once, then waiting at least 24 hours. :)



From andy at petdance.com  Tue May 23 14:51:44 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:51:44 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <4472720c.3921b9f6.355c.fffffd1f@mx.gmail.com>
References: <4472720c.3921b9f6.355c.fffffd1f@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA3173F2-D78A-4A45-91F9-6492AAE6ACDE@petdance.com>


On May 22, 2006, at 9:22 PM, Dr. Dhundy R. Bastola wrote:

> I really appreciate when Andy breaks it up and makes people like us  
> feel
> welcome. I wanted to let you know that you are helping people like  
> me learn
> well by doing so. Thanks

I'm really glad I could help.  One of the things that makes it easy  
for me to add my $0.02 is that Jay is such a great evangelist  
himself.  It's not "What's the best way to do X", which can get  
tedious to deal with, but rather "Here's a way I found to do X".

Some day we really need to figure out when I should come out to give  
a talk to you guys.

Andy

--
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From jay at jays.net  Tue May 23 17:58:01 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:58:01 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <EA3173F2-D78A-4A45-91F9-6492AAE6ACDE@petdance.com>
References: <4472720c.3921b9f6.355c.fffffd1f@mx.gmail.com>
	<EA3173F2-D78A-4A45-91F9-6492AAE6ACDE@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <4473AF99.4060404@jays.net>

Andy Lester wrote:
> I'm really glad I could help.  One of the things that makes it easy  
> for me to add my $0.02 is that Jay is such a great evangelist  
> himself.  It's not "What's the best way to do X", which can get  
> tedious to deal with, but rather "Here's a way I found to do X".

-laugh-  I'm glad my little tidbits help spark useful threads. Its just the stuff I run into while plunking through my 9 to 5. All: feel free to quiz and/or correct me whenever you want more verbose explanations or I'm obviously drunk and doing something silly. :) 

> Some day we really need to figure out when I should come out to give  
> a talk to you guys.

You're certainly welcome any time! Our last meeting was great. Eclectic meandering, attendees from Lincoln and Sioux City! Too bad there was still only 6 of us total. :)

Jeff Bisbee called me yesterday morning. He's back in town (off and on) for the week visiting his folks. He's still doing all kinds of cool Perl stuff at SportsLine. See SouthFlorida Perl Mongers.

Oh, and apparently Chad doesn't work at Paragon any more, so our food sponsorship might have dried up. Doh! Bart! I feel hungrier already. :)
 
j


From andy at petdance.com  Tue May 23 18:17:16 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:17:16 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
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	<4473AF99.4060404@jays.net>
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On May 23, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:

> You're certainly welcome any time! Our last meeting was great.  
> Eclectic meandering, attendees from Lincoln and Sioux City! Too bad  
> there was still only 6 of us total. :)

What would you like me to talk about?  I can talk about anything.   
Perl testing, web scraping, how to get hired, project estimation, etc  
etc etc.

Do you guys have a projector that I can show slides on?

Andy

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From robert.fulkerson at gmail.com  Tue May 23 18:26:40 2006
From: robert.fulkerson at gmail.com (Robert A. Fulkerson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:26:40 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <6DE0DD7F-C6CB-4ADC-8619-6B4AD3D072E1@petdance.com>
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I'll force my Perl students to come if you're in town.  Or I'll give them
extra credit, which would probably make them happier.  :) Or we could
combine a lecture night and a meeting night in one.  I can't usually make it
to Tuesday night meetings because that's when class is.  But that would make
it very easy to combine the two.  :)

I'd put a vote in for testing or how to get hired; testing for me and how to
get hired for my students.  :)

     -- b

On 5/23/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
>
> On May 23, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:
>
> You're certainly welcome any time! Our last meeting was great. Eclectic
> meandering, attendees from Lincoln and Sioux City! Too bad there was still
> only 6 of us total. :)
>
>
> What would you like me to talk about?  I can talk about anything.  Perl
> testing, web scraping, how to get hired, project estimation, etc etc etc.
>
> Do you guys have a projector that I can show slides on?
>
> Andy
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
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From andy at petdance.com  Tue May 23 18:29:15 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Let's get Andy to come to Omaha
In-Reply-To: <6cb6eebc0605231826x7287d8bep53731d456d3aec6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4472720c.3921b9f6.355c.fffffd1f@mx.gmail.com>
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On May 23, 2006, at 8:26 PM, Robert A. Fulkerson wrote:

> I'd put a vote in for testing or how to get hired; testing for me  
> and how to get hired for my students.  :)

Yeah, I'd vote more for the how to get hired, especially 'cause I'm  
writing a book, and I'd love to hear their thoughts about the things  
I tell them....

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From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Wed May 24 08:35:12 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Our automated test library now contains 13, 534 tests :)
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432DB0@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>


Bragging rights, baby.

j

 

$ prove
-snip!-
Failed Test                       Stat Wstat Total Fail  Failed  List of
Failed
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
MVC/Control/Inventory/t/Avail.t      1   256    51    1   1.96%  51
MVC/Control/Rates/t/Avail.t        255 65280    35   69 197.14%  1-35
MVC/Model/Intrasight/t/NCOA_US.t   255 65280    11   22 200.00%  1-11
MVC/Model/Rewards/File/AX/t/Outbo    1   256     4    1  25.00%  4
MVC/Model/Rewards/Record/AX/t/Out    1   256    14    1   7.14%  14
MVC/Model/Rewards/Record/AX/t/Out    1   256     8    1  12.50%  8
MVC/Model/omares/Complex/Rates/t/    1   256     4    1  25.00%  4
MVC/Model/omares/Complex/t/L_Rewa  255 65280     8   14 175.00%  2-8
MVC/Model/omares/Complex/t/Reserv  255 65280    28   52 185.71%  3-28
MVC/Model/omares/Simple/t/standar  255 65280  1407   28   1.99%
1394-1407
2 tests and 49 subtests skipped.
Failed 10/207 test scripts, 95.17% okay. 98/13534 subtests failed,
99.28% okay.


From andy at petdance.com  Wed May 24 08:37:42 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Our automated test library now contains 13,
	534 tests :)
In-Reply-To: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432DB0@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432DB0@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
Message-ID: <6DA61CF8-D215-4A7F-A504-53FE8985719C@petdance.com>


On May 24, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Jay Hannah wrote:

>
> Bragging rights, baby.

To me, the number of tests isn't nearly as interesting as trends over  
time.  Have you tracked that?

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From rob.townley at gmail.com  Wed May 24 13:59:34 2006
From: rob.townley at gmail.com (Rob Townley)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:59:34 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
Message-ID: <7e84ed60605241359x1af5782y75297d5818b5e312@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/22/06, Jay Hannah <jhannah at omnihotels.com> wrote:
>
> before:
>
>    for ($j = 0; $j < @row; $j++) {
>       $row[$j] =~ s/[^ -~]//g;
>       $row[$j] =~ s/\|/:/g;
>    }
>
> after:
>
>    for (@row) {
>       s/[^ -~]//g;
>       s/\|/:/g;
>    }
>
> j

     If i had a bug however, oftentimes i would have to take the
shorter version and make it longer temporarily.  Can't the re be
written in one line?

From andy at petdance.com  Wed May 24 14:03:21 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:03:21 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] for loop quickie
In-Reply-To: <7e84ed60605241359x1af5782y75297d5818b5e312@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432D87@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
	<7e84ed60605241359x1af5782y75297d5818b5e312@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865B41FA-7CF2-4E3B-A7B1-F999C4E2C292@petdance.com>


On May 24, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Rob Townley wrote:

>      If i had a bug however, oftentimes i would have to take the
> shorter version and make it longer temporarily.  Can't the re be
> written in one line?

Nope, they're doing two entirely different things.

--
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From robert.fulkerson at gmail.com  Wed May 24 14:47:17 2006
From: robert.fulkerson at gmail.com (Robert A. Fulkerson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:47:17 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Let's get Andy to come to Omaha
In-Reply-To: <DD379695-0AC4-439A-8E34-EC2AAE5F0D65@petdance.com>
References: <4472720c.3921b9f6.355c.fffffd1f@mx.gmail.com>
	<EA3173F2-D78A-4A45-91F9-6492AAE6ACDE@petdance.com>
	<4473AF99.4060404@jays.net>
	<6DE0DD7F-C6CB-4ADC-8619-6B4AD3D072E1@petdance.com>
	<6cb6eebc0605231826x7287d8bep53731d456d3aec6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD379695-0AC4-439A-8E34-EC2AAE5F0D65@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <6cb6eebc0605241447v3f6e6b5cr79382b2fa7ebd5d4@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Yeah, I'd vote more for the how to get hired, especially 'cause I'm
> writing a book, and I'd love to hear their thoughts about the things
> I tell them....


     It's easy to convince my students how easy and cool Perl is in
comparison to C or C++ for writing programs in their upper-level classes
where the professor doesn't mind what language the solution is in.  I've
actually had semesters where students help steer the pace and content of the
class because they want me to cover material that they know will help them
solve some final projects in classes.  :)  Those are fun semesters.

     It's harder to convince them that there's money to be made if you're
not writing PHP, Ruby on Rails or developing the latest-greatest AJAX/Web
2.0 where-should-we-have-lunch-today randomizer.  Perhaps I'll go to the
coffers and see if the university has any bring-a-cool-speaker-in cash
laying around.  :)

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From kiranbina at gmail.com  Wed May 24 19:44:47 2006
From: kiranbina at gmail.com (Dr. Dhundy R. Bastola)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Let's get Andy to come to Omaha
In-Reply-To: <6cb6eebc0605241447v3f6e6b5cr79382b2fa7ebd5d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44751a32.4606b988.3225.ffff8213@mx.gmail.com>

>>Perhaps I'll go to the coffers and see if the university has any
bring-a-cool-speaker-in cash laying around.  :)

I will try and look into that too.

Kiran

  _____  

From: omaha-pm-bounces+kiranbina=gmail.com at pm.org
[mailto:omaha-pm-bounces+kiranbina=gmail.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Robert A.
Fulkerson
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:47 PM
To: Perl Mongers of Omaha, Nebraska USA
Subject: Re: [Omaha.pm] Let's get Andy to come to Omaha

 

Yeah, I'd vote more for the how to get hired, especially 'cause I'm
writing a book, and I'd love to hear their thoughts about the things 
I tell them....


     It's easy to convince my students how easy and cool Perl is in
comparison to C or C++ for writing programs in their upper-level classes
where the professor doesn't mind what language the solution is in.  I've
actually had semesters where students help steer the pace and content of the
class because they want me to cover material that they know will help them
solve some final projects in classes.  :)  Those are fun semesters.

     It's harder to convince them that there's money to be made if you're
not writing PHP, Ruby on Rails or developing the latest-greatest AJAX/Web
2.0 where-should-we-have-lunch-today randomizer.  Perhaps I'll go to the
coffers and see if the university has any bring-a-cool-speaker-in cash
laying around.  :)

     -- b

 

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From jay at jays.net  Thu May 25 05:45:02 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:45:02 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Our automated test library now contains 13,
 534 tests :)
In-Reply-To: <6DA61CF8-D215-4A7F-A504-53FE8985719C@petdance.com>
References: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432DB0@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>
	<6DA61CF8-D215-4A7F-A504-53FE8985719C@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <4475A6CE.2030700@jays.net>

Andy Lester wrote:
> To me, the number of tests isn't nearly as interesting as trends over  
> time.  Have you tracked that?

No. OSCON 2003 was my first intro to building test suites, so I know the number was 0 before that. :)

The trend is all in CVS, but the count wouldn't be trivial to pull and our QA process isn't nearly refined enough to track metrics like that.

j


From dthacker9 at cox.net  Thu May 25 07:04:58 2006
From: dthacker9 at cox.net (dthacker9 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:04:58 -0400
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Our automated test library now contains 13,
 534 tests :)
Message-ID: <28818737.1148565898459.JavaMail.root@centrmwml07.mgt.cox.net>


---- Jay Hannah <jay at jays.net> wrote: 
> Andy Lester wrote:
> > To me, the number of tests isn't nearly as interesting as trends over  
> > time.  Have you tracked that?

What kinds of trends?  
  -types of tests?
  -errors found? 

DT



From jhannah at omnihotels.com  Fri May 26 11:07:46 2006
From: jhannah at omnihotels.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:07:46 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] lmao...  if ($0 !~ /.t/) {
Message-ID: <29AB736ABCE5C745ABF9C93B02F2C27B04432DCF@exchange2k3.omnihotels.net>


Hit this line of code today while trying to fix a bug:

  next if ($rpc eq "ALL" and $filter_request);

Commenting out that line of code fixes our bug! Yay! But then some of my
tests for another set of business logic fail. 

Totally joking, Sean suggested this patch:

  if ($0 !~ /.t$/) {
    next if ($rpc eq "ALL" and $filter_request);
  }

If you don't find that hilarious then either you're not versed in Perl
automated testing, or you're far less of a geek than Sean and I... :)

j


From jay at jays.net  Tue May 30 17:36:39 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] FWD: "Build Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP"
Message-ID: <447CE517.4000609@jays.net>

Huh. I read the link and still don't know what a "tag cloud" is. :)

Anyone more hep then me?

j


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From jay at jays.net  Tue May 30 17:38:23 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:38:23 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] [Fwd: Only 2 days left to buy the Perl eBook Bundle from
	Apress!]
Message-ID: <447CE57F.5030206@jays.net>

If I'm forwarding too much of this stuff just say so.

I don't know if anyone is interested or not, so if its Perly I've been forwarding it.

j



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From andy at petdance.com  Tue May 30 17:38:57 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:38:57 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] FWD: "Build Tag Clouds in Perl and PHP"
In-Reply-To: <447CE517.4000609@jays.net>
References: <447CE517.4000609@jays.net>
Message-ID: <F42E8D0D-4AEB-4813-AE53-3588A50A3F40@petdance.com>


On May 30, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:

> Huh. I read the link and still don't know what a "tag cloud" is. :)
>
> Anyone more hep then me?

Look at http://del.icio.us/petdance and see the list of tags on the  
right.  That's a tag cloud.

xoa


--
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From jay at jays.net  Tue May 30 17:54:48 2006
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Omaha.pm] Fwd: potential pitfall with "return undef"
Message-ID: <447CE958.2090001@jays.net>

Oops! I "return undef;" ALL THE TIME...

Ponder,

j


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Bioperl-l] For CVS developers - potential pitfall with "return	undef"
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:18:45 +1000
From: Torsten Seemann <torsten.seemann at infotech.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Victorian Bioinformatics Consortium, Monash University
To: bioperl-l at lists.open-bio.org

FYI Bioperl developers:

I just audited the bioperl-live CVS and found about 450 occurrences of 
"return undef".

Page 199 of "Perl Best Practices" by Damian Conway, and this URL
http://www.perl.com/lpt/a/2006/02/23/advanced_subroutines.html suggest:

"Use return; instead of return undef; if you want to return nothing. If 
someone assigns the return value to an array, the latter creates an 
array of one value (undef), which evaluates to true. The former will 
correctly handle all contexts."

So I'm guessing at least some of these 450 occurrences *could* result in 
bugs and should probably be changed.

Your opinion may differ :-)

-- 
Dr Torsten Seemann               http://www.vicbioinformatics.com
Victorian Bioinformatics Consortium, Monash University, Australia

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