From george at metaart.org Sun Sep 2 12:54:20 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:54:20 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting - date: Sat. Sep. 8; time: 1pm-3pm Message-ID: <200709021254.20803.george@metaart.org> hi all, this is a reminder for our next meeting. there's a cut & paste of the announcement from our home page below my 'signature'. - george == Cut & Paste of Announcement from our home page: September technical meeting date: Sat. Sep. 8 time: 1pm-3pm topic: "Modules People Find Useful" place: Arden's Place ([link to] directions) ---- ==== notes (1) arden's place is in the oakland part of rockridge. for directions, follow the link on our home page. our home page is at: http://www.metaart.org/opug/index.html (2) the agenda is: introductions, giveaways, talks, discussion. i have some books to giveaway [as usual]; if anyone brings more giveaways, cool. ------------------------------------------------------- From george at metaart.org Mon Sep 3 14:17:31 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:17:31 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Request to Transport Some Books to Arden's Message-ID: <200709031417.31923.george@metaart.org> hi all, i have some books [to giveaway at the meeting]. can someone pick them up at my place [near lake merrit in oakland] and take them to arden's place [in rockridge in oakland] before saturday [the day of our meeting]. if i can't get them to arden's before saturday, currently my plan is to just bring the names of the books to the meeting and let people pick them up at my place. - george p.s. i make this request partly because my left arm is not fully funtional yet and it's difficult for me to transport books. From david at fetter.org Mon Sep 3 14:17:26 2007 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:17:26 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Request to Transport Some Books to Arden's In-Reply-To: <200709031417.31923.george@metaart.org> References: <200709031417.31923.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <20070903211726.GK4464@fetter.org> On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 02:17:31PM -0700, George Woolley wrote: > hi all, > i have some books [to giveaway at the meeting]. > > can someone pick them up at my place [near lake merrit in oakland] > and take them to arden's place [in rockridge in oakland] > before saturday [the day of our meeting]. Happy to :) Cheers, David. > > if i can't get them to arden's before saturday, > currently my plan > is to just bring the names of the books to the meeting > and let people pick them up at my place. > > - george > > p.s. i make this request partly because > my left arm is not fully funtional yet > and it's difficult for me to transport books. > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland -- David Fetter http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate From george at metaart.org Mon Sep 3 16:57:49 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:57:49 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Request to Transport Some Books to Arden's In-Reply-To: <20070903211726.GK4464@fetter.org> References: <200709031417.31923.george@metaart.org> <20070903211726.GK4464@fetter.org> Message-ID: <200709031657.49786.george@metaart.org> hi david, thanks. arden says the ideal times for him are noon to 4pm. up until 10pm is possible. those times work for me too. let me know when you can transport the books. <<< - george Info You Might Need -------------------------- link to arden's address, phone #, and directions to his place: http://www.metaart.org/opug/directions/to_ardens.html link to george's address, phone #, and directions to his place: http://www.metaart.org/opug/directions/to_georges.html ============================= On Monday 03 September 2007 14:17, David Fetter wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 02:17:31PM -0700, George Woolley wrote: > > hi all, > > i have some books [to giveaway at the meeting]. > > > > can someone pick them up at my place [near lake merrit in oakland] > > and take them to arden's place [in rockridge in oakland] > > before saturday [the day of our meeting]. > > Happy to :) > > Cheers, > David. > > > if i can't get them to arden's before saturday, > > currently my plan > > is to just bring the names of the books to the meeting > > and let people pick them up at my place. > > > > - george > > > > p.s. i make this request partly because > > my left arm is not fully funtional yet > > and it's difficult for me to transport books. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From judyrussoniello at yahoo.com Mon Sep 3 18:01:13 2007 From: judyrussoniello at yahoo.com (Judy Russoniello) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting - date: Sat. Sep. 8; time: 1pm-3pm In-Reply-To: <200709021254.20803.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <536166.58726.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> greetings, sorry I won't be able to make the meeting, since I am not computer literate and do not know what a module is. paz y bien judy --- George Woolley wrote: > hi all, > this is a reminder for our next meeting. > there's a cut & paste of the announcement from our > home page > below my 'signature'. > > - george > > == Cut & Paste of Announcement > from our home page: > September technical meeting > date: Sat. Sep. 8 > time: 1pm-3pm > topic: "Modules People Find Useful" > place: Arden's Place ([link to] directions) > ---- > > ==== notes > (1) arden's place is in the oakland part of > rockridge. > for directions, follow the link on our home page. > our home page is at: > http://www.metaart.org/opug/index.html > > (2) the agenda is: introductions, giveaways, talks, > discussion. > i have some books to giveaway [as usual]; > if anyone brings more giveaways, cool. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From george at metaart.org Mon Sep 3 18:21:38 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:21:38 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting - date: Sat. Sep. 8; time: 1pm-3pm In-Reply-To: <536166.58726.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <536166.58726.qm@web51802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200709031821.38676.george@metaart.org> hi judy, i understand. i already had you down as a no based on an earlier off-list communication. peace, george ============================= On Monday 03 September 2007 18:01, Judy Russoniello wrote: > greetings, sorry I won't be able to make the meeting, > since I am not computer literate and do not know what > a module is. paz y bien judy > > --- George Woolley wrote: > > hi all, > > this is a reminder for our next meeting. > > there's a cut & paste of the announcement from our > > home page > > below my 'signature'. > > > > - george > > > > == Cut & Paste of Announcement > > from our home page: > > September technical meeting > > date: Sat. Sep. 8 > > time: 1pm-3pm > > topic: "Modules People Find Useful" > > place: Arden's Place ([link to] directions) > > ---- > > > > ==== notes > > (1) arden's place is in the oakland part of > > rockridge. > > for directions, follow the link on our home page. > > our home page is at: > > http://www.metaart.org/opug/index.html > > > > (2) the agenda is: introductions, giveaways, talks, > > discussion. > > i have some books to giveaway [as usual]; > > if anyone brings more giveaways, cool. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > ___________________________________________________________________________ >_________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's > updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Tue Sep 4 15:52:39 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:52:39 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: UG News--Women in Tech Series from www.oreillynet.com Message-ID: <200709041552.39212.george@metaart.org> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: UG News--Women in Tech Series from www.oreillynet.com Date: Tuesday 04 September 2007 14:48 From: "Marsee Henon" To: george at metaart.org Hi Please share the following press announcement with your members if you think they will be interested. --Marsee Women of Tech: Hear Us Roar, A Special Series from www.oreillynet.com The Mighty Voices of Sisterhood in Tech Sebastopol, CA--There's no doubt that women coders, developers, designers, and programmers are a powerful force in the modern tech industry, despite their smaller numbers compared to men. 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"We have contributions from conference organizers, authors, programmers, developers, and more--women who have pioneered prosperous careers in technology." "As the series progresses, I hope readers find that this myriad of female perspectives shows how valuable it is to hear different points of view," says Tatiana. "Whether readers think there are issues on which we need to work or that there are no issues at all, one underlying truth is that we need to support each other as individuals and help one another with our separate goals." With clarity, honesty, and wit, this collection reveals what it's like to be in the minority of the male-dominated geek culture. 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All other trademarks are property of their respective owners. ------------------------------------------------------- From george at metaart.org Tue Sep 4 16:18:10 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:18:10 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Request to Transport Some Books to Arden's Message-ID: <200709041618.10259.george@metaart.org> hi all, arden came by my place for a different purpose and to my surprise ended up taking the giveaway books back to his place. so i no longer need someone to transport them. thanks again to david fetter for his offer to transport the books. skoal, george hi david [fetter, that is], thanks again for your offer to transport the books. however, as indicated above, i no longer need the books transported. you need not respond to my to my email asking you when you could transport the books. skoal, george ---------- Original Message ---------- Subject: Request to Transport Some Books to Arden's Date: Monday 03 September 2007 14:17 From: George Woolley To: Oakland Perl Mongers hi all, i have some books [to giveaway at the meeting]. can someone pick them up at my place [near lake merrit in oakland] and take them to arden's place [in rockridge in oakland] before saturday [the day of our meeting]. if i can't get them to arden's before saturday, currently my plan is to just bring the names of the books to the meeting and let people pick them up at my place. - george p.s. i make this request partly because my left arm is not fully funtional yet and it's difficult for me to transport books. ------------------------------------------------------- From cba at groundworkopensource.com Thu Sep 6 11:43:39 2007 From: cba at groundworkopensource.com (Chris Barton Anderson) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:43:39 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds Sept 12, 7PM Message-ID: <1189104219.31192.9.camel@peterX20> (Hi: You're invited to the BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds Sept 12, 7PM. See the meeting announcement pasted below: feel free to post it and/or forward it along to anyone else who might be interested. Many thanks, and hope to see you there!) ================================================= Sept. 2007 BayLISA Monitoring SIG: Data Integration Traditionally, acquiring the tools needed to create customized solutions that featured data persistence, data stream cross-referencing, cross-platform deployment, distributed architecture, and data aggregation from across multiple network domains required extensive use of proprietary software. (Consider the example of trying to merge Nagios, Ganlgia, SNMP, etc. data so that you can display it simultaneously.) Roger Ruttimann, project lead for Foundation (http://gwfoundation.sourceforge.net/) will talk about how Open Source components have matured to the point where building enterprise-class data aggregation and mining tools is relatively simple. What: BayLISA Monitoring SIG X: Data Integration Who: Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools (newbies particularly welcome!) When: Wednesday, Sept 12 2007, 7PM Where: GroundWork Open Source, 139 Townsend St., San Francisco How: 139 Townsend St. is very near AT&T Ballpark. It is two blocks from the CalTrain Depot. Take the MUNI N, T or J trolley to 2nd and King (ballpark stop) or take the 30 or 45 bus (among others) crosstown. The Giants are playing a home game that evening (vs. Arizona, 7:15 start) so things will be hectic on the streets around GroundWork: street parking will be nonexistent, paid parking will be astronomically expensive, and public transportation will be slow and crowded: allow extra time for travel. Cost: Free!! Abundant pizza, an extensive assortment of fine soft drinks, and lots of snacks will be provided by GroundWork. We'll open up the doors at 6:30 or so and start the formal part of the meeting promptly at 7PM. RSVP (not necessary, but helpful): Peter Mui, pmui at groundworkopensource.com, 415 992 4573, www.groundworkopensource.com From david at fetter.org Thu Sep 6 13:37:12 2007 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:37:12 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Big Ball of Mud! Tuesday, September 11 7:30 Message-ID: <20070906203712.GA1440@fetter.org> Folks, You've all dealt with it: a code base so crufty and thrown-together that you're left wondering what to do. Fred Moyer will help. To get free food and drink, RSVP. Email is OK, but going through the link below is more convenient for your host and sponsors. http://postgresql.meetup.com/1/calendar/6143101/ To get a free, spiffy Postgres T-shirt, get to Casa Donde an hour early (around 6:30) and be ready to stuff some folders. Thanks to MyNewPlace.com for sponsoring this. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate From quinn at fairpath.com Fri Sep 7 09:35:03 2007 From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:35:03 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Review of Ruby Pocket Reference In-Reply-To: <1188201503.5474.16.camel@claire.clearday.com> References: <200708261401.21961.george@metaart.org> <1188201503.5474.16.camel@claire.clearday.com> Message-ID: <20070907163503.GB15956@fu.funkspiel.org> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 12:58:23AM -0700, Steve K wrote: > PS: I'm thinking about making Moose my favorite Perl module. It > implements perl objects with a clean new syntax that hides the instance > hashes and reference/dereference fog generators. Hard as heck to get > it installed, but very pleasing one you get it in. I have similar love for Object::InsideOut (except that it's easy to install). It lets you declaratively declare the members of your class, and auto- generates accessors, modifiers, and a constructor (with hashref "named args"). Similarly, it lets you declare the required and optional args to your methods--even their types or regexes--and checks them at run-time. It does all this using :attributes that you stick on your methods/variables-- not source filters. And it's thread-safe. Definitely worth checking out. It's sad that we're even discussing the myriad ways to do objects with Perl, but, IMO, Object::InsideOut has finally nailed the problem. -- Quinn Weaver, independent contractor | President, San Francisco Perl Mongers http://fairpath.com/quinn/resume/ | http://sf.pm.org/ 510-520-5217 From george at metaart.org Fri Sep 7 14:48:45 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:48:45 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting - date: Sat. Sep. 8; time: 1pm-3pm Message-ID: <200709071448.45727.george@metaart.org> hi all, see some of you at the meeting tomorrow. there's a cut & paste of the announcement from our home page below my 'signature'. - george == Cut & Paste of Announcement from our home page: September technical meeting date: Sat. Sep. 8 time: 1pm-3pm topic: "Modules People Find Useful" place: Arden's Place ([link to] directions) ---- ==== notes (1) arden's place is in the oakland part of rockridge. for directions, follow the link on our home page. our home page is at: http://www.metaart.org/opug/index.html (2) the agenda is: introductions, giveaways, talks, discussion. i have some books to giveaway [as usual]; if anyone brings more giveaways, cool. ------------------------------------------------------- From jseidel at edpci.com Sat Sep 8 15:47:30 2007 From: jseidel at edpci.com (Jon Seidel CMC) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:47:30 -0400 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting - date: Sat. Sep. 8; time: 1pm-3pm In-Reply-To: <200709071448.45727.george@metaart.org> References: <200709071448.45727.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <000001c7f26a$3d20e690$a000000a@EDP17> Nice to see folks again; thanks for sharing your favorite modules... I can see that there are a couple I'm going to have to try out. Sorry I had to leave and miss the refreshments :-) Steve: the book I mentioned to you is: "Perl Testing: A Developer's Notebook" by Ian Langworth & chromatic. Very practical; little fluff or theoretical stuff; great into to Test::More and friends. It even discusses Test::WWW::Mechanize. Cheers...jon -- -----Original Message----- From: oakland-bounces+jseidel=edpci.com at pm.org [mailto:oakland-bounces+jseidel=edpci.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of George Woolley Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:49 PM To: Oakland Perl Mongers Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting - date: Sat. Sep. 8; time: 1pm-3pm hi all, see some of you at the meeting tomorrow. there's a cut & paste of the announcement from our home page below my 'signature'. - george == Cut & Paste of Announcement from our home page: September technical meeting date: Sat. Sep. 8 time: 1pm-3pm topic: "Modules People Find Useful" place: Arden's Place ([link to] directions) ---- ==== notes (1) arden's place is in the oakland part of rockridge. for directions, follow the link on our home page. our home page is at: http://www.metaart.org/opug/index.html (2) the agenda is: introductions, giveaways, talks, discussion. i have some books to giveaway [as usual]; if anyone brings more giveaways, cool. ------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Oakland mailing list Oakland at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Sun Sep 9 17:00:37 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:00:37 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: [conspire] [Reminder] RMS speaking engagements this week(also added event) Message-ID: <200709091700.37022.george@metaart.org> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [conspire] [Reminder] RMS speaking engagements this week(also added event) Date: Sunday 09 September 2007 14:20 From: "Steve Bibayoff" To: conspire at linuxmafia.com Hello, Just a reminder and a final update on Richard Stallman's bay area speaking engagements this week(Plus more details and one added speech). All speeches are open to the public(and they are encouraged to come). Except for when he is speaking at Berkley, which an RSVP is encouraged. Details: Monday, Sept 10, 12:30 to 2:30pm at Stanford University. Speech titled "GPLv3" and it will be at Crown Quadrangle, 559 Nathan Abbott Way, Stanford. More info: http://www.fsf.org/events/stanford20070910/view Tuesday, Sept 11, 8:30 to 10:00am at Dolce Hayes Mansion, 200 Edenvale Ave, San Jose, CA 95136. Titled " Free Software in Ethics, Practice, and Licensing" More info: http://www.fsf.org/events/sanjose20070911/view http://www.storage-developer.org/events/storage-developer2007/agenda_2007/#tu es Tuesday, Sept 11, 3:00 to 5:00pm at San Jose State University. Speech titled "The Free Software Movement" and will be giving at "Umunhum Room", Floor 2, Student Union Building. Exact location: One Washington Square, San Jose, CA http://www.sjsu.edu/inc/content/campus_maps/maincampus.gif more info: http://www.fsf.org/events/sjsu20070911/view **** Please RSVP for this talk**** Wednesday, Sept 12, 4:00 to 5:00pm at UC Berkeley School of Information. Location UC Berkeley School of Information, South Hall, Room 110, Berkeley, CA 94720 : http://www.berkeley.edu/map Titled "Copyright vs. Community". Please RSVP at lectures at ischool.berkeley.edu or call 510-642-9257. More info: http://www.fsf.org/events/berkeleyischool20070912/view http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/about/events/dls Thursday, Sept 13, 12:20 to 1:20pm at University of San Francisco. Location Detailed location: University of San Francisco, Harney Science Center, Room 235 (the Kudlick Classroom), 2471 Golden Gate Avenue (opposite Chabot Terrace), San Francisco, CA. Speech titled "The Free Software Movement" More info: http://www.fsf.org/events/usfca20070913/view Thursday, Sept 13, 6:00 to 7:30pm at San Francisco State University. Location Science 210, 1600 Holloway Avenue, San Francisco, CA . Speech titled "Copyright vs. Community" More info: http://www.fsf.org/events/sfsu20070913/view Again, please forward this announcement to any user group or person who may be interested. Any questions could be directed my way ( Steve Bibayoff ). Thank You, Steve _______________________________________________ conspire mailing list conspire at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire ------------------------------------------------------- From george at metaart.org Sun Sep 9 17:08:20 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:08:20 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting - date: Sat. Sep. 8; time: 1pm-3pm In-Reply-To: <000001c7f26a$3d20e690$a000000a@EDP17> References: <200709071448.45727.george@metaart.org> <000001c7f26a$3d20e690$a000000a@EDP17> Message-ID: <200709091708.20465.george@metaart.org> hi jon, thanks for coming to the meeting and for participating. thanks also for this email followup. - george On Saturday 08 September 2007 15:47, Jon Seidel CMC wrote: > Nice to see folks again; thanks for sharing your favorite modules... I can > see that there are a couple I'm going to have to try out. Sorry I had to > leave and miss the refreshments :-) > > Steve: the book I mentioned to you is: "Perl Testing: A Developer's > Notebook" by Ian Langworth & chromatic. Very practical; little fluff or > theoretical stuff; great into to Test::More and friends. It even discusses > Test::WWW::Mechanize. > > Cheers...jon > > -- > > -----Original Message----- > From: oakland-bounces+jseidel=edpci.com at pm.org > [mailto:oakland-bounces+jseidel=edpci.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of George > Woolley > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:49 PM > To: Oakland Perl Mongers > Subject: [oak perl] Next Meeting - date: Sat. Sep. 8; time: 1pm-3pm > > hi all, > see some of you at the meeting tomorrow. > > there's a cut & paste of the announcement from our home page > below my 'signature'. > > - george > > == Cut & Paste of Announcement > from our home page: > September technical meeting > date: Sat. Sep. 8 > time: 1pm-3pm > topic: "Modules People Find Useful" > place: Arden's Place ([link to] directions) > ---- > > ==== notes > (1) arden's place is in the oakland part of rockridge. > for directions, follow the link on our home page. > our home page is at: http://www.metaart.org/opug/index.html > > (2) the agenda is: introductions, giveaways, talks, discussion. > i have some books to giveaway [as usual]; > if anyone brings more giveaways, cool. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From david at fetter.org Sun Sep 9 20:50:01 2007 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:50:01 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Reminder: Big Ball of Mud! Tuesday, September 11 7:30 Message-ID: <20070910035001.GF6661@fetter.org> Folks, You've all dealt with it: a code base so crufty and thrown-together that you're left wondering what to do. Fred Moyer will help. To get free food and drink, RSVP. Email is OK, but going through the link below is more convenient for your host and sponsors. http://postgresql.meetup.com/1/calendar/6143101/ To get a free, spiffy Postgres T-shirt, get to Casa Donde an hour early (around 6:30) and be ready to stuff some folders. Thanks to MyNewPlace.com for sponsoring this. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate From george at metaart.org Wed Sep 12 20:08:28 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:08:28 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference Message-ID: <200709122008.28412.george@metaart.org> hi all, there's a review of 'regular expression pocket reference', 2nd edition on our site at: http://www.metaart.org/opug/reviews/regexppr2.html should you wish to look at it. comments and corrections would be cool. - george From indrg at yahoo.com Thu Sep 13 08:35:04 2007 From: indrg at yahoo.com (Indra Gunawan) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference Message-ID: <230000.75470.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI George, Is it possible to have the meeting minute or a review of the useful Perl Module presented during the last meeting? I am wondering if there is a possibility to have the gathering closer to the south bay like maybe Fremont or Sunnyvale. Berkeley is really a far place to me. The following are the topics that I am interested in hearing from the group: Perl 6, Perl MVC Framework, Perl Best Practice, Perl useful one liner, and Perl OOP & Design Patterns. Thanks. -Indra ----- Original Message ---- From: George Woolley To: Oakland Perl Mongers Cc: Marsee Henon Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:08:28 PM Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference hi all, there's a review of 'regular expression pocket reference', 2nd edition on our site at: http://www.metaart.org/opug/reviews/regexppr2.html should you wish to look at it. comments and corrections would be cool. - george _______________________________________________ Oakland mailing list Oakland at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From bfuellenbach at google.com Thu Sep 13 11:51:17 2007 From: bfuellenbach at google.com (Brad Fuellenbach) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:51:17 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference In-Reply-To: <230000.75470.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <230000.75470.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: George, I am Brad Fuellenbach a member of the Oakland Perl Mongers group. I am a recruiter for Google is it ok if I make myself available to members that would be interested in Google work opportunities to give Oakland Perl Mongers my contact information and let them know that we are looking with strong software engineering skills? Thanks Brad On 9/13/07, Indra Gunawan wrote: > > HI George, > > Is it possible to have the meeting minute or a review of the useful Perl > Module presented during the last meeting? I am wondering if there is a > possibility to have the gathering closer to the south bay like maybe Fremont > or Sunnyvale. Berkeley is really a far place to me. > > The following are the topics that I am interested in hearing from the > group: > Perl 6, Perl MVC Framework, Perl Best Practice, Perl useful one liner, and > Perl OOP & Design Patterns. > > Thanks. > -Indra > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: George Woolley > To: Oakland Perl Mongers > Cc: Marsee Henon > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:08:28 PM > Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference > > hi all, > there's a review of 'regular expression pocket reference', 2nd edition > on our site at: > http://www.metaart.org/opug/reviews/regexppr2.html > should you wish to look at it. > > comments and corrections would be cool. > - george > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > -- Google Inc. 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway Mountain View, CA 94043 bfuellenbach at google.com (650) 253-8272 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20070913/d125a7f2/attachment.html From extasia at extasia.org Thu Sep 13 12:17:27 2007 From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:17:27 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference In-Reply-To: References: <230000.75470.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c714a9c0709131217x70e3aeav62771cb7a7dd21a9@mail.gmail.com> heh. this thread has been hijacked twice (three times if you count this message). On 9/13/07, Brad Fuellenbach wrote: > George, > I am Brad Fuellenbach a member of the Oakland Perl Mongers group. > I am a recruiter for Google is it ok if I make myself available to members > that would be interested in Google work opportunities to give > Oakland Perl Mongers my contact information and let them know that we are > looking with strong software engineering skills? > Thanks > Brad > > > On 9/13/07, Indra Gunawan wrote: > > HI George, > > > > Is it possible to have the meeting minute or a review of the useful Perl > Module presented during the last meeting? I am wondering if there is a > possibility to have the gathering closer to the south bay like maybe Fremont > or Sunnyvale. Berkeley is really a far place to me. > > > > The following are the topics that I am interested in hearing from the > group: > > Perl 6, Perl MVC Framework, Perl Best Practice, Perl useful one liner, and > Perl OOP & Design Patterns. > > > > Thanks. > > -Indra > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: George Woolley > > To: Oakland Perl Mongers > > Cc: Marsee Henon < marsee at oreilly.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:08:28 PM > > Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference > > > > hi all, > > there's a review of 'regular expression pocket reference', 2nd edition > > on our site at: > > http://www.metaart.org/opug/reviews/regexppr2.html > > should you wish to look at it. > > > > comments and corrections would be cool. > > - george > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > > > > -- > Google Inc. > 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway > Mountain View, CA 94043 > bfuellenbach at google.com > (650) 253-8272 > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. From george at metaart.org Thu Sep 13 19:08:45 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:08:45 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference In-Reply-To: <230000.75470.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <230000.75470.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200709131908.45649.george@metaart.org> hi indra, good to hear from you. == modules if the people who talked on modules want to speak briefly again, we could have a review of modules people have found useful at the december meeting. i'm assuming you plan to come. Is that correct? == meeting in fremont or sunnyvale i quite understand your wanting a meeting closer to south bay. i have three suggestions: * revive siliconvalley.pm. * start a .pm group in south bay [e.g. sunnyvale.pm]. * go to sf.pm meetings. if you decide to start a .pm group in south bay, i'd be glad to help get it started. while members of oakland.pm typically live in east bay, i think some others [besides yourself] do live in south bay. so far oakland.pm has met in oakland, berkeley and alameda. currently we meet in the rockridge part of oakland [very close to berkeley]. in the future, we'll likely meet in oakland or in adjacent cities. if we met, even for just one meeting, in fremont or sunnyvale, i probably wouldn't go myself. == topics thanks for the topic suggestions! IMO, those are all good topics appropriate for the group. currently we are only having meetings where: * there is a specific reason to have the meeting. * [and] there is the energy and will in the group to organize the meeting. are you up for organizing a meeting on one of the topics you suggest? i believe we've had two meetings on perl 6 and one on design patterns. i have no objection to having meetings on any of the topics you suggest [including perl 6]. i'm thinking you probably own a copy of perl best practices. i mention this because i have a copy to give away. i thought of another possibility. you are welcome to coordinate a discussion of any of the topics you suggested on this mailing list. == thanks again for your interesting post. -george ----------------------------------------------------- On Thursday 13 September 2007 08:35, Indra Gunawan wrote: > HI George, > > Is it possible to have the meeting minute or a review of the useful Perl > Module presented during the last meeting? I am wondering if there is a > possibility to have the gathering closer to the south bay like maybe > Fremont or Sunnyvale. Berkeley is really a far place to me. > > The following are the topics that I am interested in hearing from the > group: Perl 6, Perl MVC Framework, Perl Best Practice, Perl useful one > liner, and Perl OOP & Design Patterns. > > Thanks. > -Indra > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: George Woolley > To: Oakland Perl Mongers > Cc: Marsee Henon > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:08:28 PM > Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference > > hi all, > there's a review of 'regular expression pocket reference', 2nd edition > on our site at: > http://www.metaart.org/opug/reviews/regexppr2.html > should you wish to look at it. > > comments and corrections would be cool. > - george > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ >_________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Thu Sep 13 19:10:02 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:10:02 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference In-Reply-To: References: <230000.75470.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200709131910.02955.george@metaart.org> hi brad, thanks for asking. i have no problem with: * your posting your contact information to the group. * your mentioning that google is looking for people with a strong software engineering background. * your suggesting people contact you if interested. i do insist that such communications be infrequent and low key. if people are paying attention, they've likely already got the message. however, a more explicit repeat would be fine. - george p.s. do the jobs involve perl? ------------------------------------------------------- On Thursday 13 September 2007 11:51, Brad Fuellenbach wrote: > George, > I am Brad Fuellenbach a member of the Oakland Perl Mongers group. > I am a recruiter for Google is it ok if I make myself available to members > that would be interested in Google work opportunities to give > Oakland Perl Mongers my contact information and let them know that we are > looking with strong software engineering skills? > Thanks > Brad > > On 9/13/07, Indra Gunawan wrote: > > HI George, > > > > Is it possible to have the meeting minute or a review of the useful Perl > > Module presented during the last meeting? I am wondering if there is a > > possibility to have the gathering closer to the south bay like maybe > > Fremont or Sunnyvale. Berkeley is really a far place to me. > > > > The following are the topics that I am interested in hearing from the > > group: > > Perl 6, Perl MVC Framework, Perl Best Practice, Perl useful one liner, > > and Perl OOP & Design Patterns. > > > > Thanks. > > -Indra > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: George Woolley > > To: Oakland Perl Mongers > > Cc: Marsee Henon > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:08:28 PM > > Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference > > > > hi all, > > there's a review of 'regular expression pocket reference', 2nd edition > > on our site at: > > http://www.metaart.org/opug/reviews/regexppr2.html > > should you wish to look at it. > > > > comments and corrections would be cool. > > - george > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > >___________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Thu Sep 13 19:10:46 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:10:46 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c0709131217x70e3aeav62771cb7a7dd21a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <230000.75470.qm@web83013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4c714a9c0709131217x70e3aeav62771cb7a7dd21a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200709131910.46204.george@metaart.org> hi david, very funny. and self aware too! thanks! - george On Thursday 13 September 2007 12:17, David Alban wrote: > heh. this thread has been hijacked twice (three times if you count > this message). > > On 9/13/07, Brad Fuellenbach wrote: > > George, > > I am Brad Fuellenbach a member of the Oakland Perl Mongers group. > > I am a recruiter for Google is it ok if I make myself available to > > members that would be interested in Google work opportunities to give > > Oakland Perl Mongers my contact information and let them know that we are > > looking with strong software engineering skills? > > Thanks > > Brad > > > > On 9/13/07, Indra Gunawan wrote: > > > HI George, > > > > > > Is it possible to have the meeting minute or a review of the useful > > > Perl > > > > Module presented during the last meeting? I am wondering if there is a > > possibility to have the gathering closer to the south bay like maybe > > Fremont or Sunnyvale. Berkeley is really a far place to me. > > > > > The following are the topics that I am interested in hearing from the > > > > group: > > > Perl 6, Perl MVC Framework, Perl Best Practice, Perl useful one liner, > > > and > > > > Perl OOP & Design Patterns. > > > > > Thanks. > > > -Indra > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: George Woolley > > > To: Oakland Perl Mongers > > > Cc: Marsee Henon < marsee at oreilly.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:08:28 PM > > > Subject: [oak perl] Review of Regex Pocket Reference > > > > > > hi all, > > > there's a review of 'regular expression pocket reference', 2nd edition > > > on our site at: > > > http://www.metaart.org/opug/reviews/regexppr2.html > > > should you wish to look at it. > > > > > > comments and corrections would be cool. > > > - george > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oakland mailing list > > > Oakland at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > >___________ > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oakland mailing list > > > Oakland at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > > -- > > Google Inc. > > 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway > > Mountain View, CA 94043 > > bfuellenbach at google.com > > (650) 253-8272 > > _______________________________________________ > > Oakland mailing list > > Oakland at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Sat Sep 15 22:10:11 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:10:11 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Link: Inerview with Chris Dolan Message-ID: <200709152210.11098.george@metaart.org> Link: interview with chris dolan http://perlbuzz.com/2007/09/perlcritic-an-interview-with-chris-dolan.html hi all, i found the interview with chris dolan worth reading. especially if you are interested in Perl::Critic, you may too. - george From george at metaart.org Sat Sep 15 22:52:05 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:52:05 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Link: Interview with Richard Stallman Message-ID: <200709152252.05491.george@metaart.org> link: interview with richard stallman http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137098-page,1/article.html hi all, i also found this intervew with stallman interesting. - george From george at metaart.org Fri Sep 21 21:57:59 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:57:59 -0700 Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, September 21 Message-ID: <200709212157.59107.george@metaart.org> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, September 21 Date: Friday 21 September 2007 11:46 From: "Marsee Henon" ... ================================================================ O'Reilly News for User Group Members September 21, 2007 ================================================================ --------------------------------------------------------------- New Releases--Books, Short Cuts, and Rough Cuts ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get 35% off from O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph, PC Publishing, Pragmatic Bookshelf, Rocky Nook, SitePoint, or YoungJin books you purchase directly from O'Reilly. 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Whether you're a web developer, sysadmin, or using Perl for scientific research or finance or just tracking your DVD collection, they want to hear about it. ***The Bay Area Functional Programmers Group Now programmers in the San Francisco Bay using or interested in functional programming and functional programming languages such as Haskell, OCaml, SML, Scala, and Erlang have a place to meet, discuss, and learn together. Attendance at the first meeting was great, with over 25 people enjoying pizza and beer at Amici's in San Francisco and a fairly even split between Haskell, OCaml, Erlang, and Scala enthusiasts. The next meeting will be October 11th, 2007 at 7:30pm. If you're interested in coming, or would like to give a talk, please join the mailing list and introduce yourself. ***WoTech Talks to Jen Blackledge, Web Mistress at Edge Wireless, Bend Oregon WoTech is a blog for and about women who work in technology and Jen Blackledge is with the Central Oregon Web Professionals' Usergroup. --------------------- Articles --------------------- ***Women in Technology: Hear Us Roar The brainchild of Tatiana Apandi, an associate editor at O'Reilly, this new series features articles solicited from technology's female side--and all focused on what it's like to carve out a career in technology. To hear more from Tatiana, listen to her interview with Chuck Joiner on MacVoices. ***An Introduction to Erlang Not long ago, ONLamp readers were introduced to Haskell, a functional language. Another popular functional language is Erlang, which also features powerful features to manage concurrency. Gregory Brown recently tried it out, and has this summary. ***Linux vs. BSD, What's the Difference? Linux mavens are usually pretty sure they'll never go back to (or start using) Windows. They may like Mac OS, but usually don't jump ship for that either. But how about the other open source Unix descendant, BSD? Dru Lavigne offers a basic primer on what's different in PC-BSD for a Linux user, and what's better. ***Schemaless Java-XML Data Binding with VTD-XML This article introduces a Java-XML binding technique based on VTD-XML and XPath. This approach doesn't mandate a schema, takes advantage of XML's inherent loose encoding, and avoids needless object creation, so it is much more efficient for lightweight data binding. ***Moonlight: Silverlight Goes Mono By now, you may have heard the buzz around Silverlight, Microsoft's attempt to put Adobe out of the rich browser client business. But did you know that the Mono gang have been busy making an open source version for Linux? You do now. ***Creating Google Custom Search Engines Tired of searching for cheesecake recipes and getting nothing but pinup calendars? Google has a little-known feature that lets you design your own search engines that will search only the sites you want. Bernard Farrell introduces us to this useful capability and shows how to set one up. ***Organizing Power Tips with Joe Schorr Do you know the difference between blue folders and yellow folders? What do you do if you're about to meet with clients and want only their images to show in Aperture? In this podcast interview with Joe Schorr, Derrick Story discovers advanced organizing tips for Aperture power users. ***Lightroom Getting Started--Basic Tonal Control in Lightroom 1.1 Using Lightroom's Develop module, you can do a lot to bring out the best tonal qualities of your images. Lightroom has easy-to-use sliders that allow you to react to the Exposure, Highlight/Shadow, and Brightness/Contrast needs of your images. For more articles, go to: --------------------- Blogs ------------------- ***Will Anyone Pay for a Newspaper Online? ***Three vantage points from which to view patents ***The Watering Hole ***Will Java 7 Be Beautiful? ***Pardon My French, But This Code Is Crap! ***Visualizing Color Space ***Lightroom and The Traveling Photographer ***Easy iPhone Toolchain Installation ***Google Presentation vs. PowerPoint vs. Keynote? ***Windows Mobile Weekly Roundup ***Freeware/Open Source for Windows Weekly Summary ***The 64-Bit Experience With Ubuntu Feisty Fawn ***Cross-Distro Collaboration Until next time-- Marsee Henon ================================================================ O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://ug.oreilly.com/creativemedia/ ================================================================ -------------------------------------------------------