From lcurrie at calacademy.org Mon Feb 5 17:34:16 2007 From: lcurrie at calacademy.org (Currie, Larry) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:34:16 -0800 Subject: [oak perl] Setting Up Perl on a Kubuntu System Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I've been away for a while working on other projects, but now I'm back working on a project that uses Perl, and I'm having a bit of a problem getting Perl scripts to be recognized on my newly set up Kubuntu Linux system. The first time I attempt to use a Perl script is from a php page, and in my Apache error log I see the following error message: Script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl, referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php Seeing this message, I then went into my apache2.conf and changed the cgi-bin ScriptAlias from /var/www/cgi-bin to /usr/lib/cgi-bin After doing that, I then got the following error messages: Premature end of script headers: libedit.pl, referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php Can't locate cgi-lib.pl in @INC (@INC contains: etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl line 21., referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php And in the access log is this: "POST /cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl HTTP/1.1" 500 637 http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php .... One person I spoke to seemed to think that I might need to log in as root and give permission for everyone to access the cgi-bin directory, but I'm wondering if the problem may lie elsewhere. Any suggestions? Larry Currie Lawrence Currie Academy Librarian California Academy of Sciences 875 Howard St. San Francisco, CA 94103 (415) 321-8038 fax (415) 321-8633 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20070205/0b6c97a9/attachment.html From quinn at fairpath.com Mon Feb 5 19:52:02 2007 From: quinn at fairpath.com (Quinn Weaver) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:52:02 -0800 Subject: [oak perl] Setting Up Perl on a Kubuntu System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070206035202.GA52639@fu.funkspiel.org> On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 05:34:16PM -0800, Currie, Larry wrote: > Can't locate cgi-lib.pl in @INC (@INC contains: Isn't cgi-lib.pl an ancient precusor to CGI.pm? Where is your copy located--did you forget to install it? It's not bundled with Perl. -- Quinn Weaver, independent contractor | President, San Francisco Perl Mongers http://fairpath.com/ | http://sf.pm.org/ From judyrussoniello at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 10:30:15 2007 From: judyrussoniello at yahoo.com (Judy Russoniello) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:30:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [oak perl] Setting Up Perl on a Kubuntu System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <957819.98374.qm@web51814.mail.yahoo.com> greetings, when will be your next meeting. all I know about computers is the email. paz judy "Currie, Larry" wrote: Hi Everyone, I?ve been away for a while working on other projects, but now I?m back working on a project that uses Perl, and I?m having a bit of a problem getting Perl scripts to be recognized on my newly set up Kubuntu Linux system. The first time I attempt to use a Perl script is from a php page, and in my Apache error log I see the following error message: Script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl, referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php Seeing this message, I then went into my apache2.conf and changed the cgi-bin ScriptAlias from /var/www/cgi-bin to /usr/lib/cgi-bin After doing that, I then got the following error messages: Premature end of script headers: libedit.pl, referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php Can?t locate cgi-lib.pl in @INC (@INC contains: etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl line 21., referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php And in the access log is this: ?POST /cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl HTTP/1.1? 500 637 http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php .... One person I spoke to seemed to think that I might need to log in as root and give permission for everyone to access the cgi-bin directory, but I?m wondering if the problem may lie elsewhere. Any suggestions? Larry Currie Lawrence Currie Academy Librarian California Academy of Sciences 875 Howard St. San Francisco, CA 94103 (415) 321-8038 fax (415) 321-8633 _______________________________________________ Oakland mailing list Oakland at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20070206/cf7c93dd/attachment.html From george at metaart.org Wed Feb 7 18:50:57 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:50:57 -0800 Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and Development Month at O'Reilly Message-ID: <200702071850.57869.george@metaart.org> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: UG News--February is Web Design and Development Month at O'Reilly Date: Wednesday 07 February 2007 11:56 From: "Marsee Henon" ... Hi, Can you share the following with your members if you think they might be interested? It's Web Design and Development Month here at O'Reilly and we just put together a special resource page dedicated to web development essentials including books, PDF Short Cuts, articles, and author events: http://www.oreilly.com/go/webdev Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground shipping in the US on orders over $29.95. Happy FebWeb, Marsee ================================================================ O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://ug.oreilly.com/creativemedia/ ================================================================ ------------------------------------------------------- From skolupae at sonic.net Fri Feb 9 01:36:57 2007 From: skolupae at sonic.net (Stephen Kolupaev) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:36:57 -0800 Subject: [oak perl] Setting Up Perl on a Kubuntu System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CC40B9.2030702@sonic.net> If I recall it right, seems to me that most Unix systems used to emit a similar message sometimes when they failed trying to execute a script by name on the command line. That is, suppose the script soandso.pl has execute permission, and it has a bang line at the top, e.g. #! /usr/bin/pxxl Suppose you invoke the soandso like this: ./soandso.pl arg1 arg2 arg3. In this case the bang line does not point at an executable of any kind. I seem to remember these systems would gripe "soandso.pl not found", rather than "/usr/bin/pxxl not found". Could Larry's PHP system be getting in trouble this way? Something is misconfigured. It isn't that cgi-bin.pl is not found. Instead, perhaps it is that cgi-bin.pl is not executable because its interpreter cannot be found. Regards, Steve Kolupaev Currie, Larry wrote: >Hi Everyone, > > > >I've been away for a while working on other projects, but now I'm back >working on a project that uses Perl, and I'm having a bit of a problem >getting Perl scripts to be recognized on my newly set up Kubuntu Linux >system. The first time I attempt to use a Perl script is from a php page, >and in my Apache error log I see the following error message: > > >===== I omit a few lines of Larry's original post > > >Can't locate cgi-lib.pl in @INC (@INC contains: etc/perl >/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 >/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 >/usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl line 21., >referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php > >======== I omit a few more lines > > >One person I spoke to seemed to think that I might need to log in as root and >give permission for everyone to access the cgi-bin directory, but I'm >wondering if the problem may lie elsewhere. > > > >Any suggestions? > > > From lcurrie at calacademy.org Fri Feb 9 11:08:31 2007 From: lcurrie at calacademy.org (Currie, Larry) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:08:31 -0800 Subject: [oak perl] Setting Up Perl on a Kubuntu System Message-ID: Hi Stephen, I worked out what my problem was. I think it was a case of not having placed the cgi-bin.pl file and my other Perl scripts in the directory specified by my Apache .conf files. Larry Lawrence Currie Academy Librarian California Academy of Sciences 875 Howard St. San Francisco, CA 94103 (415) 321-8038 fax (415) 321-8633 -----Original Message----- From: oakland-bounces+lcurrie=calacademy.org at pm.org [mailto:oakland-bounces+lcurrie=calacademy.org at pm.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Kolupaev Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:37 AM To: oakland at pm.org Subject: Re: [oak perl] Setting Up Perl on a Kubuntu System If I recall it right, seems to me that most Unix systems used to emit a similar message sometimes when they failed trying to execute a script by name on the command line. That is, suppose the script soandso.pl has execute permission, and it has a bang line at the top, e.g. #! /usr/bin/pxxl Suppose you invoke the soandso like this: ./soandso.pl arg1 arg2 arg3. In this case the bang line does not point at an executable of any kind. I seem to remember these systems would gripe "soandso.pl not found", rather than "/usr/bin/pxxl not found". Could Larry's PHP system be getting in trouble this way? Something is misconfigured. It isn't that cgi-bin.pl is not found. Instead, perhaps it is that cgi-bin.pl is not executable because its interpreter cannot be found. Regards, Steve Kolupaev Currie, Larry wrote: >Hi Everyone, > > > >I've been away for a while working on other projects, but now I'm back >working on a project that uses Perl, and I'm having a bit of a problem >getting Perl scripts to be recognized on my newly set up Kubuntu Linux >system. The first time I attempt to use a Perl script is from a php page, >and in my Apache error log I see the following error message: > > >===== I omit a few lines of Larry's original post > > >Can't locate cgi-lib.pl in @INC (@INC contains: etc/perl >/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 >/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 >/usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl line 21., >referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php > >======== I omit a few more lines > > >One person I spoke to seemed to think that I might need to log in as root and >give permission for everyone to access the cgi-bin directory, but I'm >wondering if the problem may lie elsewhere. > > > >Any suggestions? > > > _______________________________________________ Oakland mailing list Oakland at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland From george at metaart.org Fri Feb 9 21:58:24 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:58:24 -0800 Subject: [oak perl] Setting Up Perl on a Kubuntu System In-Reply-To: <957819.98374.qm@web51814.mail.yahoo.com> References: <957819.98374.qm@web51814.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200702092154.08578.george@metaart.org> Hi Judy, Currently, we are having meetings only when there is a specific reason for one. There are no meetings currently planned for the next few months. What would you hope to gain from a meeting? Perhaps that will bring forth a specific reason for a meeting or perhaps I (or someone else) will see a good way to achieve your aim. Peace, George On Tuesday 06 February 2007 10:30, Judy Russoniello wrote: > greetings, when will be your next meeting. all I know about computers is > the email. paz judy > > "Currie, Larry" wrote: Hi Everyone, > > I?ve been away for a while working on other projects, but now I?m back > working on a project that uses Perl, and I?m having a bit of a problem > getting Perl scripts to be recognized on my newly set up Kubuntu Linux > system. The first time I attempt to use a Perl script is from a php page, > and in my Apache error log I see the following error message: > > Script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl, referrer: > http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php > > Seeing this message, I then went into my apache2.conf and changed the > cgi-bin ScriptAlias from /var/www/cgi-bin to /usr/lib/cgi-bin > > After doing that, I then got the following error messages: > Premature end of script headers: libedit.pl, referrer: > http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php > > Can?t locate cgi-lib.pl in @INC (@INC contains: etc/perl > /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 > /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 > /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl line 21., > referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php > > And in the access log is this: > ?POST /cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl HTTP/1.1? 500 637 > http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php .... > > One person I spoke to seemed to think that I might need to log in as root > and give permission for everyone to access the cgi-bin directory, but I?m > wondering if the problem may lie elsewhere. > > Any suggestions? > > Larry Currie > > > Lawrence Currie > Academy Librarian > California Academy of Sciences > 875 Howard St. > San Francisco, CA 94103 > (415) 321-8038 > fax (415) 321-8633 > > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. From judyrussoniello at yahoo.com Sat Feb 10 12:38:00 2007 From: judyrussoniello at yahoo.com (Judy Russoniello) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:38:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [oak perl] Setting Up Perl on a Kubuntu System In-Reply-To: <200702092154.08578.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <954665.31261.qm@web51809.mail.yahoo.com> greetings, thanks for your cheerful reply. and information on the meetings. paz y bien judy George Woolley wrote: Hi Judy, Currently, we are having meetings only when there is a specific reason for one. There are no meetings currently planned for the next few months. What would you hope to gain from a meeting? Perhaps that will bring forth a specific reason for a meeting or perhaps I (or someone else) will see a good way to achieve your aim. Peace, George On Tuesday 06 February 2007 10:30, Judy Russoniello wrote: > greetings, when will be your next meeting. all I know about computers is > the email. paz judy > > "Currie, Larry" wrote: Hi Everyone, > > I?ve been away for a while working on other projects, but now I?m back > working on a project that uses Perl, and I?m having a bit of a problem > getting Perl scripts to be recognized on my newly set up Kubuntu Linux > system. The first time I attempt to use a Perl script is from a php page, > and in my Apache error log I see the following error message: > > Script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl, referrer: > http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php > > Seeing this message, I then went into my apache2.conf and changed the > cgi-bin ScriptAlias from /var/www/cgi-bin to /usr/lib/cgi-bin > > After doing that, I then got the following error messages: > Premature end of script headers: libedit.pl, referrer: > http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php > > Can?t locate cgi-lib.pl in @INC (@INC contains: etc/perl > /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 > /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 > /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl line 21., > referrer: http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php > > And in the access log is this: > ?POST /cgi-bin/cbhl/libedit.pl HTTP/1.1? 500 637 > http://library.calacademy.org/cbhl/ill/util/editlib.php .... > > One person I spoke to seemed to think that I might need to log in as root > and give permission for everyone to access the cgi-bin directory, but I?m > wondering if the problem may lie elsewhere. > > Any suggestions? > > Larry Currie > > > Lawrence Currie > Academy Librarian > California Academy of Sciences > 875 Howard St. > San Francisco, CA 94103 > (415) 321-8038 > fax (415) 321-8633 > > > _______________________________________________ > Oakland mailing list > Oakland at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/oakland > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! 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Two of the jobs have 1 or two openings. The Senior Programmer position is the one that has multiple openings probably 5 or more. ... Thank you, Terrill ------------------------------------------------------- Chief Programmer The Chief Programmer reports to the VP/CTO and is responsible for the overall code base of the various Medley properties. This includes marketing technology, online personals, social networking, p2p applications, production monitoring, software release tools, and support tools. To be successful, this individual must have a pragmatic approach that leverages the assets and staff that already exist. This person must be able to understand the functionality if the various systems and to communicate effective programming direction to the entire software development staff. This is a position that requires a high energy level, exceptional interpersonal skills, efficiency, reliability, and a drive to finish projects in timely manner. The ideal candidate: 5+ year Software Development Experience 5+ years working with Perl Exceptional written and oral skills Technical Skills: Must have prior experience developing website software using LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, and Perl) Understanding of Apache configuration, DB optimization techniques and how running mod_perl affects Apache and Perl Code Understanding how high volume and a load-balanced environment traffic can affect coding approach Fluency in HTML, including browser compatibility issues Pluses for: SMS, Email Parsing, Linux System Admin, qmail and experience working on a website that can be displayed in several languages Other requirements: Ability to drive projects to completion Comfortable with adult content Masters Degree in Computer Science or Engineering a must Salary $100,000 to $150,000 plus quarterly bonus plan We have an excellent benefit package that includes: Immediate company paid health insurance, life insurance LTD, AD&D and a company EAP Dental and Vision Plan Matching 401(k) up to 4% of YTD earnings with no vesting period PTO and Holiday Pay Monthly company bonus plan Casual environment with workable hours and more Please send your resume to terrill.couther at gmail.com. --------- Software Development Manager - Marketing Technology The Software Development Manager for the Marketing Technology group will report to the CTO/VP and will be responsible for managing the staff and their production within the Marketing Technology group. The Manager must ensure projects and goals are met in the required release time. Director must be able to lead the staff by having the technical and management skills required. This is a demanding position for a highly experienced management level programmer with exceptional hands-on and people skills. This is a position that requires a high energy level, exceptional interpersonal skills, efficiency, reliability, and a commitment to the release dates established by the CTO/VP. The ideal candidate: 5+ years management experience. 5+ years development experience. Management experience in an internet environment. Exceptional written and oral skills. Technical Skills: Must have prior experience developing website software using LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, and Perl). Understanding of Apache configuration, DB optimization techniques and how running mod_perl affects Apache and Perl Code. Understanding how high volume and a load-balanced environment traffic can affect coding approach. Fluency in HTML, including browser compatibility issues. Pluses for experience in advertising systems, Search Engine Optimization, Landing Page Optimization, Keyword optimization, other marketing related systems. Other requirements: Ability to manage staff by example. Ability to drive projects to completion. Comfortable with adult content. Salary $90,000 to $100,000 plus quarterly bonus plan We have an excellent benefit package that includes: Immediate company paid health insurance, and life insurance LTD, AD&D and a company EAP. Dental and Vision Plan Matching 401(k) up to 4% of YTD earnings with no vesting period PTO and Holiday Pay Casual environment with workable hours Company Monthly Bonus Plan and more?? Please send your resume to terrill.couther at gmail.com. -------- Senior Programmer Want to make a difference? And have fun doing it too? Friendfinder is looking for talented Senior Perl Programmers. As a member of our development staff, you would be spearheading projects to deliver world-class features to the members of our network of personal ads. Willing to pay relocation cost up to $5,000 if needed Position Responsibilities: Work with project managers to implement features that enhance the overall user experience Design code modules that scale well under heavy load Interface with graphic designers to assist with front-end development Work with QA analysts to resolve issues before going live Desired Qualifications: 3+ years' experience with PERL and mod_perl Solid SQL and relational database knowledge HTML fluency Understanding how high volume and a load-balanced environment can affect coding approach Self-motivated problem solver Excellent written and oral communication skills Salary is $85,000 to $100,000 base with great benefits and bonus plan. We have an excellent benefit package that includes: Immediate company paid health insurance, life insurance LTD, AD&D and a company EAP Dental and Vision Plan Matching 401(k) up to 4% of YTD earnings with no vesting period PTO and Holiday Pay Monthly company bonus plan Casual environment with workable hours and more Please send your resume to terrill.couther at gmail.com. -------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20070216/0329be40/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/attachments/20070216/0329be40/attachment-0001.html From george at metaart.org Mon Feb 19 14:29:29 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:29:29 -0800 Subject: [oak perl] Fwd: [conspire] RMS speaking at Berkley Message-ID: <200702191429.29364.george@metaart.org> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [conspire] RMS speaking at Berkley Date: Monday 19 February 2007 13:18 From: "Steve Bibayoff" To: conspire at linuxmafia.com Hello, I just noticed that the BALUG mailing list is down. Could someone, if they don't mind, forward this info to any and all of the UG's that are in the area that may be interested. Thanks, Steve. If anyone is interested, Richard Stallman will be giving a couple of talks at Berkley this week. There both suppose to be open to the public. The first talk is titled "Copyright vs. Community in the Age of Computer Networks" and is on Wed, Feb. 21 from 4:00-5:00pm at University of California - Berkeley, HP Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall, Berkeley CA 91720. Information here: http://www.fsf.org/events/universityofcaliforniaberkeleyspeech http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Colloquium/Archives/06-07/Spring2007/stallman.sh tml The second talk is titled "The Free Software Movement and the GNU/Linux Operating System" and is on Fri, Feb 23 from 5:00-6:30pm at same hall and place, University of California Berkeley, HP Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall, Berkeley CA 91720. More information is here: http://www.fsf.org/events/ucberkeleyspeech2 And, if anybody interested that will be UC Davis area, he will be giving a talk there on Thursday, Feb 22 from 3:00-4:00pm at University of California, Davis, 1065 Kemper Hall, 1 Shields Avenue, Davis CA 95616. More information about this talk is here: http://www.fsf.org/events/ucdavisspeech http://thistle.cs.ucdavis.edu:8080/seminars/?type=1&talkid=70 Please forward to anyone(or group) who may be interested. Any other questions, please ask them at rms-assist at gnu.org ,as I don't know any more info than what I have just posted. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ conspire mailing list conspire at linuxmafia.com http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire -------------------------------------------------------