[oak perl] Requests for Advise: Perl CGI or PHP?

[Eugene]

Hi Joshua,
Thanks for your response.

I see your point about asking a group of Perl mongers
for advice on this.
Do you have a suggestion
about where would be a good place to ask?

Hm, maybe a Perl Mongers group is not such a bad place to ask.
You explicitly invoke TIMTOWTDI.
TIMTOWTDI seems to me to be at work in Zed's answer too.
While he says PHP is a "goodawful language" and 
even That it's "Evil",
he leaves lots of space for me to choose PHP.
Or so it seems to me,
but perhaps I'm reading through
TIMTOWTDI colored glasses.

I followed the link 
and read "Server-side Scripting Shootout".
Given that it was a "shootout",
I expected more blood, but I did find it interesting.

> I think a key advantage of Perl over PHP is that you
> can use Perl much more handily for a greater variety
> of projects.
I do expect to use mostly Perl
for support tasks around the site.

> Culturally, PHP programmers tend to use an HTML page
> with code embedded in it. Perl programmers tend to use
> code with HTML embedded in it. If you feel more
> comfortable with HTML than with code, then you may
> find yourself more comfortable PHP than Perl. The
> reverse is also true.
Interesting observation.
I'll think about whether I prefer
code embedded in HTML or HTML embedded in code.
That could be the deciding factor.

Again, thanks.
George

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On Tuesday 29 November 2005 10:15 am, Joshua Wait wrote:
> When it comes to deciding which language to use for
> developing a project, asking a group of Perl mongers
> for their advice will almost certainly end up with the
> answer "Perl, of course!".
>
> However, perhaps I can remain true to Perl and offer
> that Perl may not be the language of choice by
> invoking "there's more than one way to do it".
>
> You may be interested in reading this older article
> "Server-side Scripting Shootout".
>
> http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/99/46/index1a.html?tw=programming
>
> It doesn't include languages such as Python and Ruby
> which are growing in popularity.
>
> PHP may be a mess of a language but my guess is that
> it's possible to experience Perl as a mess of language
> as well. The key difference between Perl and PHP is
> that people who are looking for quick web solutions
> are turning to PHP instead of Perl because of PHP's
> current popularity. While I've seen plenty of bad perl
> code (including the gibberish I've written), it seems
> to me that I have found more really bad PHP code
> because more beginners flock to it.
>
> I think a key advantage of Perl over PHP is that you
> can use Perl much more handily for a greater variety
> of projects. I've even used Perl in a Cocoa app for
> building a utility in Mac OS X. I wouldn't dare try
> that with PHP.
>
> On the other hand, PHP comes with a lot of features
> you would want for delivering web content out of the
> box without having to run to CPAN and download a dozen
> modules. You may find yourself able to get up and
> running on the web with PHP faster.
>
> Culturally, PHP programmers tend to use an HTML page
> with code embedded in it. Perl programmers tend to use
> code with HTML embedded in it. If you feel more
> comfortable with HTML than with code, then you may
> find yourself more comfortable PHP than Perl. The
> reverse is also true.
>
> --JOSHUA
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:00:15 -0800
> > From: Eugene <eugene at metaart.org>
> > Subject: [oak perl] Test
> > To: oakland at pm.org
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> > Please ignore this test.
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:03:47 -0800
> > From: Eugene <eugene at metaart.org>
> > Subject: [oak perl] Requests for Advise: Perl CGI or
> > PHP?
> > To: oakland at pm.org
> > Message-ID: <200511271911.27277.eugene at metaart.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I'm thinking of upgrading my personal website,
> > mostly to make it easier to maintain.
> > I want to do this upgrade now while the site is
> > small.
> > Initially, I'll likely focus on
> > header information and navigation.
> > I'm considering using either Perl CGI or PHP
> > as the basis for my upgrade.
> >
> > Later, I don't know exactly what I'll want to do.
> > However, whatever I do will likely be simple.
> > For example, I do not expect to need to interface
> > with a database.
> >
> > == Requests   <<<<<<
> > (1) I'd appreciate your thoughts on
> >       whether Perl CGI and PHP are reasonable
> > choices.
> > (2) If you feel they are reasonable choices,
> >       I'd appreciate any insights
> >       that might assist me in choosing between them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eugene
> >
> > P.S. So far, there's not much on my site,
> > though, at least, there are no under construction
> > signs.
> > If you feel it would be useful to look at what I've
> > created so far,
> > there is a link to my personal site
> > in my profile on the Oakland.pm site.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:27:22 -0800
> > From: Zed Lopez <zed.lopez at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [oak perl] Requests for Advise: Perl
> > CGI or PHP?
> > To: Oakland Perl Mongers <oakland at pm.org>
> > Message-ID:
>
> <83a996de0511272327h4c86ef1fv22d353fc935673d9 at mail.gmail.com>
>
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> >
> > Hi Eugene,
> >
> > With the sole exception of an application to be
> > distributed to users
> > in hosted environments, which tend to have mod_php
> > installed a lot
> > more often than mod_perl, I don't consider PHP to be
> > a reasonable
> > choice for anything -- it's a godawful mess of a
> > language that manages
> > to take pretty much all of Perl's flaws and magnify
> > them a
> > thousandfold. Now that my bias is on the table, you
> > could do what you
> > want with either.
> >
> > How well do you know each? The learning curve is
> > probably a little
> > shallower with PHP, but if you already have a
> > working knowledge of
> > Perl, you'll have no problem learning what you need.
> > Last I was
> > looking for a job, PHP was a more salable skill (if
> > career development
> > is a consideration.) But I think Perl is fun, and
> > PHP is evil.
> >
> > So pick whichever catches your fancy -- like I said,
> > either could
> > manage your website, and you're not likely to find
> > any issues in this
> > domain where one becomes suddenly clearly superior.
> >
> > On 11/27/05, Eugene <eugene at metaart.org> wrote:
> > > I'm thinking of upgrading my personal website,
> > > mostly to make it easier to maintain.
> > > I want to do this upgrade now while the site is
> >
> > small.
> >
> > > Initially, I'll likely focus on
> > > header information and navigation.
> > > I'm considering using either Perl CGI or PHP
> > > as the basis for my upgrade.
> > >
> > > Later, I don't know exactly what I'll want to do.
> > > However, whatever I do will likely be simple.
> > > For example, I do not expect to need to interface
> > > with a database.
> > >
> > > == Requests   <<<<<<
> > > (1) I'd appreciate your thoughts on
> > >       whether Perl CGI and PHP are reasonable
> >
> > choices.
> >
> > > (2) If you feel they are reasonable choices,
> > >       I'd appreciate any insights
> > >       that might assist me in choosing between
> >
> > them.
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eugene
> > >
> > > P.S. So far, there's not much on my site,
> > > though, at least, there are no under construction
> >
> > signs.
> >
> > > If you feel it would be useful to look at what
> >
> > I've created so far,
> >
> > > there is a link to my personal site
> > > in my profile on the Oakland.pm site.
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